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Why Are Capricorn and Other Caps Considered Contradictory Zodiac Signs
Capricorn and other Capricorn signs are often seen as contradictory because they combine ambition and practicality with emotional reserve and traditionalism. This blend creates a complex personality that can seem conflicting but is rooted in their disciplined and cautious nature. Understanding these traits helps explain their surprising behaviors and motivations.
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Posted by StillWater
actually i know but can't put it to words hehehe
You can try 😉
Posted by StillWater
actually i know but can't put it to words heheheYou can try 😉
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WAIT!!! no !! Stillwater you cant answer this! or at least not until someone else finds the answer.
Posted by StillWater
Why not?
You know why... V.v
Posted by ellessque
I'm a rebel without a cause. 😄
Lol cute
Serious with a sense of humor. Work hard, play hard.
I think its because I am my own worst critic, even though I know I often give 100% in everything. The pressure of wanting to succeed often gets to me but I strive through hehe
Ok everyone so far is wrong.
The closest one is from true cap, but all she has listed are incongruencies in our character so it`s WRONG.
Serious with a sense of humor. Work hard, play hard.
Posted by GandalftheGrey
it must be due to fear. it always due to fear/ego.
Not even close.
I think its because I am my own worst critic, even though I know I often give 100% in everything. The pressure of wanting to succeed often gets to me but I strive through hehe
Being your own worst critic yet giving your 100% are not contradictions, they often go hand in hand.
Posted by StillWater
Lucriu is smart. I hope someone measures up to his intelligence and is able to answer his question to his satisfaction.
..... >.> ... a compliment coming from a cap woman? ... you must be sensing that my check is coming out with overtime ....... 😆
*Puts another post just to have 5 pictures of himself on page 2 to look at*
=D
Posted by CluelessCancer
fuk it, i know i'm not supposed to post on the capz only thread, but fuk it.i see no contradictions in you, all i see is that you allow your logic to supersede emotions., which supersedes your true inner wants.
Seriously? ... for all the bad mouthing and bullying that CC has received from caps... shes the closest one so far? But alas this is merely an observation concerning emotions by a water sign ..... >.>...and does not illustrate our greatest contradiction. WRONG! ... but close
PS: *Cough* ?? Caps only
Posted by Lucriu
PS: *Cough* ?? Caps only ??suck it, no choke on it.
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Love you too = )
Posted by capinc
There is no absolute correct answer.
Ok, Capinc tried to view the question in a different way and has given his input but he also has FAILED.
There is an answer.
Posted by capinc
There is no absolute correct answer.Ok, Capinc tried to view the question in a different way and has given his input but he also has FAILED.
There is an answer.
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BUT has become the closest one as of now.
Stop teasing us and tell us your answer!
😉
Alright, let's take a stab at this.
-Serious with a sense of humour
-allow your logic to supersede emotions, which supersedes your true inner wants
Cap is the sign with the cold exterior, the ultra logical rock on which other people lean but at the same time their inner emotions are volatile and maybe one of the warmest once they open up to you. They even have a hilariously funny side if you can crack them.
And for being so stiff on the outside they are also remarkably flexible dancers. 😛
Your ass propels you through space?
I guess that's another way of saying you fly by the seat of your pants! 😛
Alright, let's take a stab at this.
-Serious with a sense of humour
-allow your logic to supersede emotions, which supersedes your true inner wantsCap is the sign with the cold exterior, the ultra logical rock on which other people lean but at the same time their inner emotions are volatile and maybe one of the warmest once they open up to you. They even have a hilariously funny side if you can crack them.
And for being so stiff on the outside they are also remarkably flexible dancers. 😛
Nice try = ), really, but you've only re-submitted CC??s answere and True caps. Which are still... WRONG
Posted by truecap
Stop teasing us and tell us your answer!
Nope, I'm still hoping that there's one cap out there that has realized this too.
Posted by StillWater
Fine, I'll give it a try.Caps are contradictions because we act cold on the outside even though internally we want to be warm and loving. We act cold to filter through people because we are not sure if they are deserving of our ultimate dedication. Because we know just how much we can give to people, we do not give it away to just anyone. Hence, we end up pushing people away while what we really want is unconditional love.
Nah, that's only our defense mechanism, it doesnt make us the walking contradictions that we are. PFT cant belive it, you have the answer and you still got it wrong? tsk ... tsk...
Posted by StillWater
bro...i can't be going through 100 messages just to find the key to your lil door. OK?!We are contradictions because we are able to separate areas of our lives into different categories. So we can be one way with one thing but another way with another? BLAH!
It saddens me that you need to look for it... and not remember... = (
Posted by StillWater
You know I have a million things on my mind. 😢And I have memory issues...(I thought I told you?)
If I keep up the drama will you keep being this cute? 😉
I'll give another try. We appear confident to others, but inside we are timid and insecure.
Posted by GandalftheGrey
oh your birthday is today? sorry about that sir! what are you doing today for ur special day?No worries. Not much tbh, Probably going out for a meal tomorrow, spent today trying to bleach stains out of a top/sweater, outside of that I might look for some new boots/trainers.🙂
Happy Birthday.
Thank you CC! 🙂
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hey cusper,happy birthday! hope you have a good week.
Posted by truecap
I'll give another try. We appear confident to others, but inside we are timid and insecure.
NOPE. Not even close.
Do as I say, not as I do.....Take my advice, even though I am acting contrary to it.
As no one is trying hard enough ill just post the answer, feel free to debate. But if you do so in a logical manner ill slam my face on the keyboard and give up.
Out of all the signs in the zodiac, Capricorns pride themselves the most in their ability to be logical.
Ask any Capricorn if they believe they are logical or emotional, and how they deal with their emotions,
and they??ll say they are logical and that they ??rationalize, try to understand, etc..?? their emotions.
But logic tells us that there is no logic.
Logic, reasoning, inference. All are empty words trying to describe the impossible. The ability to look
at the universe as anything other than ??chaotic.??
This is due to the Observer Effect. (please google if you dont know what it is)
Our perception affects outcomes, and thus nothing really IS, untill it is seen and experienced.
Before technology could prove this with the 2 slit photon experiment Socrates illustrated it with
??I only know that I know nothing.??
If the simplest action (a photon passing through a slit) cannot be predicted by ??logic??.
If one of the greatest philosophers of our time admited that ??knowledge?? is obtainable only
in knowing that nothing can be known.
Isn't the logical conclusion of logics existance, that logic does not exist?
Is there anyone among us that can arrogantly say that they know their wife/husband fully,
to know what a rational action is to one of their smile or one of their slaps?
We are a walking contradiction because logic tells us that we will never have all the necessary
information to make rational choices (they are an illusion), and that only the arrogant can claim rationality,
and yet we choose to be logical irrationally. Because of this, everytime we act, feel, or believe we are
being rational, we contradict ourselves.
This is why I believe that only actions based on emotion are genuine... but more on that later. = )
Posted by Lucriu
Out of all the signs in the zodiac, Capricorns pride themselves the most in their ability to be logical.
Ask any Capricorn if they believe they are logical or emotional, and how they deal with their emotions,
and they??ll say they are logical and that they ??rationalize, try to understand, etc..?? their emotions.But logic tells us that there is no logic.
Logic, reasoning, inference. All are empty words trying to describe the impossible. The ability to look
at the universe as anything other than ??chaotic.??This is due to the Observer Effect. (please google if you dont know what it is)
Our perception affects outcomes, and thus nothing really IS, untill it is seen and experienced.
Before technology could prove this with the 2 slit photon experiment Socrates illustrated it with
??I only know that I know nothing.??
If the simplest action (a photon passing through a slit) cannot be predicted by ??logic??.
If one of the greatest philosophers of our time admited that ??knowledge?? is obtainable only
in knowing that nothing can be known.Isn't the logical conclusion of logics existance, that logic does not exist?
Is there anyone among us that can arrogantly say that they know their wife/husband fully,
to know what a rational action is to one of their smile or one of their slaps?We are a walking contradiction because logic tells us that we will never have all the necessary
information to make rational choices (they are an illusion), and that only the arrogant can claim rationality,
and yet we choose to be logical irrationally. Because of this, everytime we act, feel, or believe we are
being rational, we contradict ourselves.This is why I believe that only actions based on emotion are genuine... but more on that later. = )
I agree and I knew this BUT I don't think this is specific to Caps. This is about logic.
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Read the first line again.... >.>....
Posted by MellyMel909
Ahh... so.. kind of like how there is no such thing as an objective truth? Cause what we consider "objective" or "fact" is really just a collection of similar, subjective experiences?
=D
Lol then im fluent in ass speak, cuz i understood everything.
Posted by StillWater
I think emotions can also be just as deceptive as logic. 🙂
I dont, wanna argue? 😉
Posted by MellyMel909
But since emotions are not rational, they are actually highly logical. Since logic states that logic does not exist and emotions are void of logic.
I'm completely talking outta my ass, btw 😛Does void of logic confirm that there is logic though?
For instance void of happiness, does that mean it is sadness?
Not necessarily.
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Exactly, that is like saying that having a word for God is proof that God exists even though we can't find them.
And emotion is not void of logic. It's the overpowering of logic.
Especially if you see logic as our own human way of putting the universe and world around us in boxes we can understand. It is a way to simplify your 'rose tinted glasses' or whatever colour you want to use to look at the world.
Irrational =/= emotional
Posted by StillWater
I think emotions can also be just as deceptive as logic. 🙂I dont, wanna argue? 😉
Sure.
Emotions depend on state of being and that state of being depends on the way we make sense of the information (hence our own senses which is not complete and all-knowledgeable).
Since state of being can be inaccurate, emotions can also be inaccurate.
If we ever want to speak of universal truths, all complete and encompassing, it would have to be divine connection and understanding for which the only language is love. Love does not automatically translate into emotions.
Emotions is only one of the many ways to express love.
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....Im out of the office in 7 mins so I do not have sufficient time to break down everyone of your arguements. So I??ll only break down one.
Emotions depend on state of being and that state of being depends on the way we make sense of the information
Incorrect.
Example.
When someone cheats on you, you ??logically?? know that feeling, hurt, crying, or getting angry will not do any good, yet you still do, these emotions cannot be controlled logically. I believe emotions is the only way that Universal truth can be felt (not just love) Nirvanna is the realization that anger/love are not seperates, and only when we stop perceiving us as apart of others, or placing favoratism on which emotions to feel and just FEEL, can truth be seen. Sloppy but i gotta go 😆
You're mixing up rationality and logic.
One is making the best possible choice, the other how we order the world. Two completely different things.
The ultra rational bastard Immanuel Kant would actually argue that it doesn't matter what you do. Because you actually don't know what is best. For that you would need perfect knowledge.
And as humans, we don't have that.
All we have is preferences and that's where emotions come in.
But even emotions can be changed, 'trained' so to say. And differently trained persons will react differently. We all know examples of things in life we would have responded differently to if we knew what we know now.
Posted by TigerCap
You're mixing up rationality and logic.
One is making the best possible choice, the other how we order the world. Two completely different things.The ultra rational bastard Immanuel Kant would actually argue that it doesn't matter what you do. Because you actually don't know what is best. For that you would need perfect knowledge.
And as humans, we don't have that.
All we have is preferences and that's where emotions come in.But even emotions can be changed, 'trained' so to say. And differently trained persons will react differently. We all know examples of things in life we would have responded differently to if we knew what we know now.
= )
ra??tion??al??i??ty (rsh-nl-t)
1. the state or quality of being rational or logical
2. the possession or utilization of reason or logic
3. a reasonable or logical opinion
4. (Economics) Economics the assumption that an individual will compare all possible combinations of goods and their prices when making purchases
Mixing them up? How when logical is in the defenition of Rationality?
And yes, it Immanuel Kant would be right (never heard of him till today) It really doesnt matter what we do. The earth is but a grain of sand in the beach of the universe, even if the whole human race dissapeared the earth it would??nt affect the universe in the least, our emotions help us illude ourselfs into thinking we are important.
Posted by StillWater
^Not everyone would react to cheating the same.
That is what make emotions so TRUE. Logic would like to have you believe that action a + scenario B will always equal reponse C. To believe that there is a RIGHT response for an action, and that that can be based on LOGIC absurd.
Posted by StillWater
Once you surpass the emotions of "hurt, pain, etc", you can be alleviated to a higher consciousness of understanding.
Surpass the emotions? That is a paradox, it's like saying the human mind can evolve into something None human. Even Buddah, a being of ??hiegher Consciousness?? reminded us that he was not a god, that the ability of nirvanna was within us all, and thus nirvanna is human consciousness,nothing more and nothing less. We cannot ??surpass??our emotions as if they were something that hinder our growth.
I missed this...
[But even emotions can be changed, 'trained' so to say. And differently trained persons will react differently. We all know examples of things in life we would have responded differently to if we knew what we know now.]
Watch A clockwork orange.... Humans that are ??trained?? to feel emotions are robbed of their humanity. And Tiger cap... you would only know what you know now if you responded in the exact same way in order to achieve that realization of a better way to act, so your ??rationalization?? is flawed.
We can say the same thing about rationalization, that a man can be trained to believe something is real and act upon that THOUGH. ANY religion is an example of this. Believing in god is IRRATIONAL in anyway, yet billions of people have been ??trained?? to believe, and act upon, something that cant be seen or measured.
Logic:
1. The study of the principles of reasoning, especially of the structure of propositions as distinguished from their content and of method and validity in deductive reasoning.
2.
a. A system of reasoning
b. A mode of reasoning
c. The formal, guiding principles of a discipline, school, or science.
3. Valid reasoning
Or put in another way; They are similar but not interchangeable. You can be perfectly logical without being rational.
"In real life, rational people are also the people who are perceived as being very reasonable. They are also considered intelligent as they are able to see both the emotional, as well as the logical side of an argument."
Posted by StillWater
^Not everyone would react to cheating the same.That is what make emotions so TRUE. Logic would like to have you believe that action a + scenario B will always equal reponse C. To believe that there is a RIGHT response for an action, and that that can be based on LOGIC absurd.
True, then again only mathematics is truly logical. It has nothing to do with morality.
Only rationality can tell us what is probably the best response to the situation considering everything we know thus far.
Watch A clockwork orange.... Humans that are ??trained?? to feel emotions are robbed of their humanity. And Tiger cap... you would only know what you know now if you responded in the exact same way in order to achieve that realization of a better way to act, so your ??rationalization?? is flawed.
We can say the same thing about rationalization, that a man can be trained to believe something is real and act upon that THOUGH. ANY religion is an example of this. Believing in god is IRRATIONAL in anyway, yet billions of people have been ??trained?? to believe, and act upon, something that can't be seen or measured.
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That's true as well. There is no way to test that right now. Probably never.
But we do have hindsight, realizing we could have done it differently and better.
Do you know how they used to rationalize god?
"If you believe and he doesn't exist, you don't lose anything, but if you don't believe and he does exist, you lose big time." - Pascal's Wager
It was the best possible choice at the time.
With 'training' I don't mean actual brainwashing as they did in that movie.
The fact you grew up in a certain culture, a certain time, as a certain gender already means you subconsciously look at the world a different way.
Being an atheist was unthinkable at some time. And even a few years ago, when my sister and father went to Palestine and Isra??l, people had a hard time understanding that we weren't either muslim, jew or christian.
Posted by TigerCap
Logic:
1. The study of the principles of reasoning, especially of the structure of propositions as distinguished from their content and of method and validity in deductive reasoning.
2.
a. A system of reasoning
b. A mode of reasoning
c. The formal, guiding principles of a discipline, school, or science.
3. Valid reasoningOr put in another way; They are similar but not interchangeable. You can be perfectly logical without being rational.
"In real life, rational people are also the people who are perceived as being very reasonable. They are also considered intelligent as they are able to see both the emotional, as well as the logical side of an argument."
I would go as far as to say that they are entwined in such a way that they are one and thus, interchangeable.[ You can be perfectly logical without being rational.]
Posted by StillWater
^Not everyone would react to cheating the same.That is what make emotions so TRUE. Logic would like to have you believe that action a + scenario B will always equal reponse C. To believe that there is a RIGHT response for an action, and that that can be based on LOGIC absurd.
True, then again only mathematics is truly logical. It has nothing to do with morality.
Only rationality can tell us what is probably the best response to the situation considering everything we know thus far.Watch A clockwork orange.... Humans that are ??trained?? to feel emotions are robbed of their humanity. And Tiger cap... you would only know what you know now if you responded in the exact same way in order to achieve that realization of a better way to act, so your ??rationalization?? is flawed.
We can say the same thing about rationalization, that a man can be trained to believe something is real and act upon that THOUGH. ANY religion is an example of this. Believing in god is IRRATIONAL in anyway, yet billions of people have been ??trained?? to believe, and act upon, something that can't be seen or measured.
That's true as well. There is no way to test that right now. Probably never.
But we do have hindsight, realizing we could have done it differently and better.Do you know how they used to rationalize god?
"If you believe and he doesn't exist, you don't lose anything, but if you don't believe and he does exist, you lose big time." - Pascal's WagerIt was the best possible choice at the time.
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"If you believe and he doesn't exist, you don't lose anything, but if you don't believe and he does exist, you lose big time." - Pascal's Wager
I believe that to be a poor joke that oversimplifies faith, but personal perceptions are not being argued so on to the point = ).
You can prove my arguement that emotions are ??more'valid then logic in determining our reponses is wrong if you can come up with a scenario in which telling someone how to feel (Based on logic) doesn't rob them of their humanity.
As for proving that a life based on e
as for proving that a life based on emotions is more valid than a life of logic ill use the below example***Spoiler alert, its corny as fuck , and ill be borrowing Stillwaters notion that love is the only universal truth****
We dont choose who we love. There are always people that are better suited for us, who we are more physically attracted to, who we argue less with, who we have more in common with. But you can never tell someone who they have to love based on logic. If love is the greatest expression of the human spirit, THE universal truth, (love is an emotion, irrational, uncontrolled by variables or logic)would you really be able to tell someone that living a life of logic and doing what is calculated to be as best based on previous experience is really living? Wisdom (not knowledge, knowledge, like logic does not exist) is obtained through experience, experience (the experiences that matter) are based on mistakes(ours or others) and ??Mistakes?? are based on irrational actions, 90 percent of our irrational actions have been based on emotions ( yelling at your boss, cheating on your girlfriend, etc..) If you begin to see that logic, and emotions inter are then good = ) They are both needed and niether is really more important then the other ( I only wanted to argue with Stillwater because it's fun to see how people think) But i feel that if i keep arguing with you tigercap I might get to know you enough to want to marry you 😕
For that I refer you to this excellent article on logical fallacies.
But the short version from there is this:
If A, then B and if B, then C. This automatically means if A then C.
A -> B, B -> C, A therefore C
It doesn't matter what A, B or C are. That is the pure logic form.
This would mean that:
A - Some men are doctors.
B - Some doctors are tall.
C - Therefore, some men are tall
True, right?
But let's change some of those:
A - Some men are doctors.
B - Some doctors are women.
C - Therefore, some men are women.
Wait what? That doesn't make any sense. But it's the exact same logical argument.
It's just not a very rational thing to say. 😉
That thing from Blaise Pascal was actually something he said back in the 17th century. The book itself was brilliant at the time and laid a basis for some pretty interesting outlooks at life and decision making theory.
As to the question of Rational Vs. Emotional life... I will leave that to the other people. Because I don't think we are too far off from each other there. But my studies in philosophy kicked in when the discussion became muddy because you used terms interchangeably.
Hugs and kisses Lucriu, I'm going to bed. 😉
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Why are caps the most contradicting signs of the zodiac? Not a trick questions, there is an actual absolute ??Correct answer.