* Capz only * Logic test. (Page 2)

Or maybe I should say I don't feel like we really disagree on that. 😛

Posted by MellyMel909
That equation only works if all the quantities (A, B and C) have the same value or represent the same object.

Those three statements have properties of undetermined value. That illustration is moot; it's comparing apples and balloons.

There is a reason why it's a logical fallacy but it doesn't matter what the statements are about. If the premises are true, so A and B, then C should follow. The problem with this example is that you have statements about a group but there isn't necessarily any overlap.

Here is another example that is both logical and rational:
Either A OR B
A.
Therefore, not B

A - Tigercap is a man
B - Tigercap is a woman

Tigercap is either a man or a woman
Tigercap is a man
Therefore Tigercap is not a woman.

But actually this whole discussion was only to prove my earlier point. That logic and rationality are not the same.
When a statement is made that is wrong it is only logical to try to disprove it. But this thread wasn't about right or wrong. It was about Lucriu wanting to hear your thoughts on what makes Caps contradictory. Though he did make the mistake of thinking there was a right answer.
So the rational thing might have been to leave out this whole discussion and just ask people for their thoughts.

Logic and Emotion are opposites from each other. But rationality is actually about combining both.
The contradiction in Caps is that we try our hardest on the outside to do the exact opposite of what we want on the inside.

Posted by Lucriu
as for proving that a life based on emotions is more valid than a life of logic ill use the below example***Spoiler alert, its corny as fuck , and ill be borrowing Stillwaters notion that love is the only universal truth****


We dont choose who we love. There are always people that are better suited for us, who we are more physically attracted to, who we argue less with, who we have more in common with. But you can never tell someone who they have to love based on logic. If love is the greatest expression of the human spirit, THE universal truth, (love is an emotion, irrational, uncontrolled by variables or logic)would you really be able to tell someone that living a life of logic and doing what is calculated to be as best based on previous experience is really living? Wisdom (not knowledge, knowledge, like logic does not exist) is obtained through experience, experience (the experiences that matter) are based on mistakes(ours or others) and ??Mistakes?? are based on irrational actions, 90 percent of our irrational actions have been based on emotions ( yelling at your boss, cheating on your girlfriend, etc..) If you begin to see that logic, and emotions inter are then good = ) They are both needed and niether is really more important then the other ( I only wanted to argue with Stillwater because it's fun to see how people think) But i feel that if i keep arguing with you tigercap I might get to know you enough to want to marry you 😕

Lol @ Luc wanting to marry TigerCap.

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Posted by MellyMel909
That equation only works if all the quantities (A, B and C) have the same value or represent the same object.

Those three statements have properties of undetermined value. That illustration is moot; it's comparing apples and balloons.

There is a reason why it's a logical fallacy but it doesn't matter what the statements are about. If the premises are true, so A and B, then C should follow. The problem with this example is that you have statements about a group but there isn't necessarily any overlap.

Here is another example that is both logical and rational:
Either A OR B
A.
Therefore, not B

A - Tigercap is a man
B - Tigercap is a woman

Tigercap is either a man or a woman
Tigercap is a man
Therefore Tigercap is not a woman.

But actually this whole discussion was only to prove my earlier point. That logic and rationality are not the same.
When a statement is made that is wrong it is only logical to try to disprove it. But this thread wasn't about right or wrong. It was about Lucriu wanting to hear your thoughts on what makes Caps contradictory. Though he did make the mistake of thinking there was a right answer.
So the rational thing might have been to leave out this whole discussion and just ask people for their thoughts.

Logic and Emotion are opposites from each other. But rationality is actually about combining both.
The contradiction in Caps is that we try our hardest on the outside to do the exact opposite of what we want on the inside.

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I was going to let sleeping dogs lay but oh boy Lol

Your example only shows what a logical fallacy is, and not that logic and rationality are not interchangeable.

Only when logic is oversimplified does your argument hold true, because if that type of logic, or rationalization was used in the real world it would be considered to be illogical and irrational (yes they are synonyms)


A - Some men are doctors.
B - Some doctors are women.
C - Therefore, some men are women.

Can any logical person really arrive at statement C and believe it to be true? Thought processes cannot be arrived at through mathematical equations. I??ts illogical. (yeah i know i should use rational, but it illustrates my defiance ) But oh wait....

[That logic and rationality are not the same.
When

[That logic and rationality are not the same.
When a statement is made that is wrong it is only logical to try to disprove it]

I believe you are interchanging terms broh... i mean the above statement was made to illustrate that logic at times cannot be rational, yet.... shouldn't you have said that it is only RATIONAL to disprove a LOGICAL statement that is wrong?



[Though he did make the mistake of thinking there was a right answer.]

You spent your posts arguing that rationality and logic is not the same, not disproving that my answer was correct. Caps thinking they are logical/rational is our greatest contradiction and no arguement on your behalf agaisnt this has been made

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Posted by Lucriu
As no one is trying hard enough ill just post the answer, feel free to debate. But if you do so in a logical manner ill slam my face on the keyboard and give up.

My answer is logical and simple. fear is what makes people act in contradicting ways. You can do a complex analysis and make pie charts but at the end of the day it all boils down to fear at some level. Look at Aries they are the most straightforward and simple sign in the zodaic. why? they are courageous and don't have the complexes that a Scorpio or a cap has.

the truth is always simple but the ego hates simple answers. Genius is based on simplicty but we have so many assholes with degrees and titles who have zero ounce of understanding.

It never fails to bug me at how people unnecessarily try to complicate things to appear "mysterious" or intelligent.

I like intelligence but i hate intellectuals.........
i suppose you want a 500 page thesis analyzing the complex chemicals and the psychoanalytic functions of consciousness? *snorts*

I can't deal with this shit anymore. i hate people...

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I could??ve just said


Caps think logically when making decisions,
Logic does not exist, and it is illogical to think that it does,
Caps are being illogical and contradicting themselves when they believe and act upon logic.
We are the most contradicting sign because what we use to make our decisions and sort our
emotions contradicts itself. (This statement can only be made when logic is knocked on its ass, which is why it seemed like a 500 page essay, you cant just say logic doesn't exist with out illustrating.

(Yeah i hate intellectuals too, truth cant be taught in a classroom)

Fear is an emotion, and you are right it does make us act in contradicting ways, but your answer is true it would mean that Caps are the most fearful signs of all the zodiac, and I am not sure that is true.

Posted by GandalftheGrey
There is something that transcends both logic and rationality and that is the sixth sense or the ultra perception of the soul. Intuition is a feeling but it is of higher order intelligence than anything that we can conceive with the ego. Rationality and logic are both bound by the ego and can't transcend it to perceive the full picture. They are both inferior to intuition which is known as the sixth sense.

there is a reason why Pisces and not Capricorn is the last sign of the zoadic. There is a reason why water is higher in the evolution stage than earth which is more dominated by the five senses. earth signs are just block heads who are controlled by fear and try to appear ultra logical to hide their fear. They feel smug that emotions are inferior and that they are somehow more in control by" 'controlling" it. earth is logical but very limited.

everything is energy in the universe and emotion is nothing but energy in motion. consciousness is nothing but pure energy and it communicates through the heart center.

caps are very lame to me because i can see they are all ego and fear. i always mock them and tell them they are not in control. caps don't have humility and that is why they are bested by those who follow the heart which is the seat of the highest intelligence.

Cant argue with this. Speechless. All true.

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Posted by Lucriu
as for proving that a life based on emotions is more valid than a life of logic ill use the below example***Spoiler alert, its corny as fuck , and ill be borrowing Stillwaters notion that love is the only universal truth****


We dont choose who we love. There are always people that are better suited for us, who we are more physically attracted to, who we argue less with, who we have more in common with. But you can never tell someone who they have to love based on logic. If love is the greatest expression of the human spirit, THE universal truth, (love is an emotion, irrational, uncontrolled by variables or logic)would you really be able to tell someone that living a life of logic and doing what is calculated to be as best based on previous experience is really living? Wisdom (not knowledge, knowledge, like logic does not exist) is obtained through experience, experience (the experiences that matter) are based on mistakes(ours or others) and ??Mistakes?? are based on irrational actions, 90 percent of our irrational actions have been based on emotions ( yelling at your boss, cheating on your girlfriend, etc..) If you begin to see that logic, and emotions inter are then good = ) They are both needed and niether is really more important then the other ( I only wanted to argue with Stillwater because it's fun to see how people think) But i feel that if i keep arguing with you tigercap I might get to know you enough to want to marry you 😕

Lol @ Luc wanting to marry TigerCap.

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He kissed me good night 😕 did you see that? or did i dream it? >.> .....

Posted by GandalftheGrey
saturn also rules society. ego is concerned with society and reputation and status in society. An ignorant cap become a slave to social opinion and what others think of him. He only does those things that society approves and not what his soul is telling him. Fear causes people to become ambitious because the ego wants social approval and recognition. the ego fears being thought of as incompetent or stupid so caps go out of their way to be proper. The most ambitious people are also the most fearful.

Ego and fear propel ambition. passion is different from ambition as it comes from the soul which is full and it just seeks expression. The ego on the other hands feels empty and nothings is ever enough. no amount of money/cars satisfies.

cap is the most ambitious sign according to the zodiac. so yes cap clearly has to confront and face this thing called fear.

This makes us the most courageous sign in the zodiac BECAUSE we are ruled by fear (Courage is not the absence of fear, but the ability to act despite being fearful). FUCK though, he's right, logic is a symptom of fear.... =.= , spank my ass and call me sally I was wrong.

Posted by StillWater
HAHA LOOK WHAT YOU DID GANDALF! All the caps are like where is the nearest bridge, cliff, ... fuck even the 2nd floor will do?

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My true node is in Pisces, life has kicked my ass enough times for me to have internalized what he's been saying.

Posted by StillWater

Posted by Lucriu

Posted by GandalftheGrey
saturn also rules society. ego is concerned with society and reputation and status in society. An ignorant cap become a slave to social opinion and what others think of him. He only does those things that society approves and not what his soul is telling him. Fear causes people to become ambitious because the ego wants social approval and recognition. the ego fears being thought of as incompetent or stupid so caps go out of their way to be proper. The most ambitious people are also the most fearful.

Ego and fear propel ambition. passion is different from ambition as it comes from the soul which is full and it just seeks expression. The ego on the other hands feels empty and nothings is ever enough. no amount of money/cars satisfies.

cap is the most ambitious sign according to the zodiac. so yes cap clearly has to confront and face this thing called fear.

This makes us the most courageous sign in the zodiac BECAUSE we are ruled by fear (Courage is not the absence of fear, but the ability to act despite being fearful). FUCK though, he's right, logic is a symptom of fear.... =.= , spank my ass and call me sally I was wrong.

yeah, so what that he is right? That logic is a symptom of fear? Isn't that the whole point of your thread, that we have to let go of logic, in search of a higher consciousness?

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To be honest there was no point to my thread, why should anything have a point? Would you believe me if i said that I just wanted to create a thread where I know you would participate in because I missed you?

Well imo, maybe we are a contradiction because we walk switching between two lanes that are parallel to our destiny. Yes, ambitious, egotistical, status seeking, materialistic etc etc.

But also spiritual, wise, knowlegde seeking, understanding, strong, caring etc etc.

Heck, maybe its also why it takes us forever to get to our destination, because of these two lanes. If a listening ear is needed, advice, sometimes money, strong shoulder to cry on, a little discipline, direction...you can go to your nearest Capricorn young and old. I think the worst thing someone can do is judge us by the face we present to the world. Have one on one conversations or heart to hearts then come to conclusions. In my experiences, we are very much in tune with the undercurrents of this world, and we take time out to listen, and pay attention and follow a path that will.keep us close to our creator whether it appears that way or not.

I also notice, through the fall of many Capricorns, that we dont cling to the image, money, status etc the way people would think....considering we are supposedly so driven by these things.

We can takr a huge hit and have the rug pulled from beneath us, and we will keep it moving. Yeah, dent to the ego, but we stay intact and Im constantly amazed to see we dont fight for our possessions how many would, and we are able to keep it moving.

this is so confusing to follow... in true CAP fashion

I have yet to meet a capricorn who isn't a pathological liar and given over to selfish pursuits above all.

There is no altruism or honesty in ANY of the ones I have worked with, socialized with or otherwise been closely exposed to.

Posted by aquapiscescusp
this is so confusing to follow... in true CAP fashion

It makes perfect sense to me. 😛

Posted by ScorpioFish
I have yet to meet a capricorn who isn't a pathological liar and given over to selfish pursuits above all.

There is no altruism or honesty in ANY of the ones I have worked with, socialized with or otherwise been closely exposed to.

youve disliked caps for a long time. I highly doubt one will ever have a fair chance in your presence.

And again, i bet you judge based on the face thats presented to you, which is fair i guess, but have you eever turned to one while you were in need? If so, were u turned away? If not, do u think these caps would turn you away if you needed them and had no one else to turn to?

Your argument is flawed...

You are using logic to disprove the existence of logic.

BUT

If logic does in fact not exist how can you claim what you say to be the truth when it in and of itself is based off of logic ^.^?

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Posted by aquapiscescusp
this is so confusing to follow... in true CAP fashion

It makes perfect sense to me. 😛

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that's all that matters then 😛

Posted by lnana04

Posted by ScorpioFish
I have yet to meet a capricorn who isn't a pathological liar and given over to selfish pursuits above all.

There is no altruism or honesty in ANY of the ones I have worked with, socialized with or otherwise been closely exposed to.

youve disliked caps for a long time. I highly doubt one will ever have a fair chance in your presence.

And again, i bet you judge based on the face thats presented to you, which is fair i guess, but have you eever turned to one while you were in need? If so, were u turned away? If not, do u think these caps would turn you away if you needed them and had no one else to turn to?

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I'm sorry that my bad experiences with the worst your sign has to offer causes you some butt-hurt.

But then again, most people cannot handle the truth.

Like I said, the inherent and total lack of honesty, integrity, responsibility and altruism within these people is what caused me to have zero interest in dealing with them.

Capiche?

Posted by ScorpioFish


I'm sorry that my bad experiences with the worst your sign has to offer causes you some butt-hurt.

But then again, most people cannot handle the truth.

Like I said, the inherent and total lack of honesty, integrity, responsibility and altruism within these people is what caused me to have zero interest in dealing with them.

Capiche?

WHAT What What—

Not going to drink beer with you when you was on drugs?
If you writing this then go and look into yourself!

Posted by CluelessCancer

Posted by NotYourAverageAquarius
Your argument is flawed...

You are using logic to disprove the existence of logic.

BUT

If logic does in fact not exist how can you claim what you say to be the truth when it in and of itself is based off of logic ^.^?

uhmmmmm

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It's like saying your opinion can't be right because everything is relative. But if everything is relative then so is the notion of relativism and the one who says there is a universal truth and the one that says there isn't are both right. And that can't be true. 😉

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Posted by lnana04

Posted by ScorpioFish
I have yet to meet a capricorn who isn't a pathological liar and given over to selfish pursuits above all.

There is no altruism or honesty in ANY of the ones I have worked with, socialized with or otherwise been closely exposed to.

youve disliked caps for a long time. I highly doubt one will ever have a fair chance in your presence.

And again, i bet you judge based on the face thats presented to you, which is fair i guess, but have you eever turned to one while you were in need? If so, were u turned away? If not, do u think these caps would turn you away if you needed them and had no one else to turn to?

I'm sorry that my bad experiences with the worst your sign has to offer causes you some butt-hurt.

But then again, most people cannot handle the truth.

Like I said, the inherent and total lack of honesty, integrity, responsibility and altruism within these people is what caused me to have zero interest in dealing with them.

Capiche?

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Nice wordplay in the end. 😛

But let me ask you something. Do you find you have many people who are bad for you in your life? Not just caps?
It might be the area or town or country you live in

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Posted by lnana04

Posted by ScorpioFish
I have yet to meet a capricorn who isn't a pathological liar and given over to selfish pursuits above all.

There is no altruism or honesty in ANY of the ones I have worked with, socialized with or otherwise been closely exposed to.

youve disliked caps for a long time. I highly doubt one will ever have a fair chance in your presence.

And again, i bet you judge based on the face thats presented to you, which is fair i guess, but have you eever turned to one while you were in need? If so, were u turned away? If not, do u think these caps would turn you away if you needed them and had no one else to turn to?

I'm sorry that my bad experiences with the worst your sign has to offer causes you some butt-hurt.

But then again, most people cannot handle the truth.

Like I said, the inherent and total lack of honesty, integrity, responsibility and altruism within these people is what caused me to have zero interest in dealing with them.

Capiche?

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You are dealing with us now, but whatever lol. Im not butt-hurt btw...ive heard worse.

I figure deep down the hate is love.