Simone de Beauvoir...

..and Jean-Paul Sartre.



For anyone not aware of this..they were both fiercely independent minds and were involved with each other in an open relationship since they met til the day they died. A true meeting of the minds.

"When I was growing up in the 60s, Simone de Beauvoir and Jean-Paul Sartre were a model couple, already legendary creatures, rebels with a great many causes, and leaders of what could be called the first postwar youth movement: existentialism - a philosophy that rejected all absolutes and talked of freedom, authenticity, and difficult choices. It had its own music and garb of sophisticated black which looked wonderful against a cafe backdrop. Sartre and De Beauvoir were its Bogart and Bacall, partners in a gloriously modern love affair lived out between jazz club, cafe and writing desk, with forays on to the platforms and streets of protest. Despite being indissolubly united and bound by ideas, they remained unmarried and free to engage openly in any number of relationships. This radical departure from convention seemed breathtaking at the time.

De Beauvoir and Sartre met in 1929 when they were both studying for the aggregation in philosophy, the elite French graduate degree. De Beauvoir came second to Sartre's first, though the examiners agreed she was strictly the better philosopher and at the age of 21 the youngest person ever to have sat the exam. But Sartre, the future author of Being and Nothingness, was bold, ingenious, exuberant in his youthful excess, the satirical rebel who shouted, "Thus pissed Zarathustra" as he hurled water bombs out of classroom windows.

"What we have," he said early on to De Beauvoir, "is an essential love; but it is a good idea for us also to experience contingent love affairs." Recording Sartre's proposal, De Beauvoir writes: "We were two of a kind, and our relationship would endure as long as we did: but it could not make up entirely for the fleeting riches to be had from encounters with different people." "

He was a Gemini, she was a Capricorn.

Link to the story: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/jun/10/gender.politicsphilosophyandsociety<BR>
Her chart:

Sun Capricorn
Moon Pisces
Mercury Capricorn
Venus Aquarius
Mars Pisces
Jupiter Leo
Neptune Cancer
Uranus Capricorn
Saturn Pisces
Pluto Gemini
North Node Cancer
Lilith in Cancer

I would've never pegged her for a Capricorn, ever.

My question for you Cap ladies..

Could you have this type of an open relationship? Or an open relationship at all?

Do you get where she's coming from?

Any thoughts and opinions are welcome.

Posted by Damnata

He was a Gemini, she was a Capricorn.

He was an Aquarius Moon (obviously).

His sun was at 29??40' Gemini-- almost a Cancer.


Her Moon was at 29??58' Pisces.

Her sun, though in Cap, was conjunct Uranus (obviously).


And both of their suns were conjunct Mercury-- so they had to tell everyone about it...

Whatever "it" was.

The original Beatniks, I think... daddy-O 😄

Oh and +1


Interesting read, Damny.

Yes, but I have mucho Aqua and only a Cap Moon. My ideal relationship would be to live with a BEST friend, male, that I could share everything with and have sex with occassionally but also be able to have very short flings on the side. He would of course be able to do the same and hopefully we would be 100% honest and open about everything without feeling it necessary to exit eachothers lives.

Posted by Montgomery
Oh and +1


Interesting read, Damny.

Yeah, I was wondering if I could pull that off, provided the connection with the guy was mental.

It greatly amuses me when I talk to self proclaimed feminists and they never heard about this chick.

Posted by Montgomery
Oh and +1

Interesting read, Damny.

Agreed.

Another interesting fact about de Beauvoir is the fact that she had many female lovers.

From Wikipedia:

Beauvoir was known to have a number of female lovers. The nature of some of these relationships, some of which she began while working as a professor, later led to a biographical controversy. A former student, Bianca Lamblin (originally Bianca Bienenfeld), in her book, M?moires d'une jeune fille d?rang?e, wrote that, while she was a student, she had been exploited by her teacher Beauvoir, who was in her thirties at the time. In 1943, Beauvoir was suspended from her teaching job, due to an accusation that she had, in 1939, seduced her 17-year-old lyc?e pupil Nathalie Sorokine. Sorokine's parents laid formal charges against Beauvoir for abducting a minor and as a result she had her licence to teach in France permanently revoked. She and Jean-Paul Sartre developed a pattern, which they called the —trio,?? in which Beauvoir would seduce her students and then pass them on to Sartre. Both he and she later regretted what they viewed as their responsibility for psychological damage to at least one of these girls.

Posted by Damnata
But Sartre, the future author of Being and Nothingness, was bold, ingenious, exuberant in his youthful excess, the satirical rebel who shouted, "Thus pissed Zarathustra" as he hurled water bombs out of classroom windows.

Nice reference to "Also sprach Zarathustra", Nietzsche's book.
He must have hated it.

Posted by TigerCap

Posted by Damnata
But Sartre, the future author of Being and Nothingness, was bold, ingenious, exuberant in his youthful excess, the satirical rebel who shouted, "Thus pissed Zarathustra" as he hurled water bombs out of classroom windows.

Nice reference to "Also sprach Zarathustra", Nietzsche's book.
He must have hated it.

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Love Nietzsche.

Did you know he read all of Plato's works just so he could call him a plagiarizer? Apparently Plato copied everything off another Greek philosopher.

TigerCap,

I was discussing that book with some chick who's into philosophy. All she got out of it was that Nietzsche was stuck in some adolescence phase where he rebelled against everything without any reason 😐

She also read "Twilight of the idols" (I think that's how you translate it) and thought the same thing.

I can't even imagine Nietzsche as an adolescent lol.

this type of relationship strikes me as a novelty and nothing more.

but that's me. i don't doubt that there are those couples who can find happiness in some form of it forever.

i just wonder if people with this mentality who have a long term relationship that started out open, could maybe "spice things up" a little bit down the road by being monogamous.

if you are going to be "open minded" than really be open minded.

^^Oh, I see your point. I like 😄

Posted by caliber
yeesh.. there's that aqua venus again lol

uh, probably not at all.. ever. no, and no.

fuck that noise. i'd get jealous as hell. nothing to do with insecurity either, because what's mine is mine and i was never taught to share.

LOL I agree. I would be way too jealous. Not a fan of sharing whatsoever.

My scorpio venus wouldn't allow me to be in an open relationship like that.

am I the only cappy woman that would be okay with it? I would be extremely jealous, no lie, and constantly try to one up the other women, and need affirmation that he loves me like no other etc etc but I would like the freedom... maybe because I am a Sag. cusp?