Leo men and women- Your expert advice is needed!

To start out, I'm a Gemini sun, Leo rising, Moon scorpio female...
I'm going to try and make this as short as I can.
Started seeing a Leo sun, Scorpio moon, possibly Libra rising (not sure of birth time...) man about 3 months ago. We clicked -> very strong connection (like we've known each other before), didn't sleep with each other right away (unusual for both of us), went on romantic date after romantic date. This went on for the first month and then things cooled down a bit. We saw each other once or twice a week. Always going on over-the-top romantic dates and always had amazing conversations. We have a seriously magical connection when we are together, but both have lives of our own and don't speak often when we are apart.
I wanted to become something more, but he is obsessed with this idea of an open relationship. I said fine, until he slept with someone else. He told me the truth when I asked if he was seeing anyone else. I thanked him for being honest and said I would think about it. Then decided that I liked him to much to be OK with him seeing other girls and gave him an ultimatum. Either we are monogamous (but don't need our relationship to have any long term commitment or pointed direction) or I am out. He thought about it and said he wanted to be with me and could see himself just being with me but really is into this idea of polyamory (this has been clear since the beginning.) I said ok then I'm out as a lover (not a friend -but we never were just friends) and he said he didn't think it was over.

I'm not going to contact him and haven't at all. But I am secretly hoping he will come back to me.

Should I secretly hold on to this feeling or move on?

Total honesty and harsh advice welcomed.

Agreed with the above. It's really your call, but he'll probably eventually be too interested in polyamory to stay with just you.

You can either cut it off now and save your emotions or try to play along with it and assure yourself you did all you could. But if you guys are dating now and he tries to approach another lady, asks her out, and lets her know he's seeing you, the lady might not like it. Basically you'll probably have him to yourself for a little bit until he chances upon someone willing to share him with you. But do you feel like compromising?

(Sorry, overlooked that you clearly don't want to compromise.)

Posted by xdimplez
im a leo sun scorpio moon female. hard to say really. if he only saw you as a toy...then a toy you will be. as far as him saying " that he could see himself just being with you...but is still thinking about a non monogymous relationship" ...then it sounds like he is just giving you words to make you feel good...but added that tidbit in to hope you lean towards that in the future.

this is really a hard call. if he has given you his heart...then there is a chance that he may come back. fixed signs have a hard time letting go. i have this problem...especially with someone that i love. but...it would be of your interest to not say a word until he goes to you. let him feel your absence...if he wants you ...he will come to you. and do not accept him back into your life unless he wants what you want. otherwise you will get hurt.

Thanks xdimp, this is what I was asking... If silence is the right thing to be leaning towards for now. I'm definitely not a toy, never was - but I'm not sure if he has "given me his heart" either. How would one know this from a leo - other than someone coming out and just saying it?

Ellessque:

I did accept an open relationship cause I thought I could be into it (also, I am a Gemini). But when it became a reality, it really hurt me that he slept with someone else.

**A little detail on that: I had an argument with him on our date and was pretty harsh with him... then he had a one night stand. Shortly, after that we made up and he told me he had slept with someone else. I don't know if I am making excuses, but it seems very Leo of him to have me hurt his ego and then the only time he ever did anything with someone else was after that. Although I don't disagree with you, what we want right now in a relationship is very different. It just seems so dumb to give up something so good... real connections don't come around that often. Also he is only 24.

more thoughts?

Posted by Jynja
BigD - Your Leo likely has a symptom of sun square moon.
His needs and wants are in conflict, and perhaps (with his Pluto in Scorpio as well) his moon is strengthened and his emotional needs very demanding.

If you can post his chart, we'll see what's going on there.

Awesome! Here it is according to cafe astrology.

Thanks Jynja, I wish I knew about this stuff...

Zodiac in degrees 0.00 Time unknown
Sun Leo 14.01
Moon Scorpio 24.25
Mercury Virgo 9.16
Venus Libra 23.09
Mars Leo 21.40
Jupiter Cancer 6.44
Saturn Capricorn 7.19 R
Uranus Capricorn 1.20 R
Neptune Capricorn 9.40 R
Pluto Scorpio 12.58
Lilith Libra 23.29
Asc node Aquarius 25.38


Planet Aspect Planet Orb/Value
Sun Conjunction Mars 7.38 106
Sun Trine Saturn 6.42 34
Sun Trine Neptune 4.21 55
Sun Sextile Pluto 1.03 243
Moon Sextile Mars 2.45 47
Mercury Square Jupiter 2.33 -97
Mercury Square Saturn 1.57 -121
Mercury Square Neptune 0.24 -93
Jupiter Opposition Saturn 0.35 -328
Jupiter Opposition Uranus 5.23 -83
Jupiter Opposition Neptune 2.57 -122
Jupiter Trine Pluto 6.15 26
Saturn Conjunction Uranus 5.59 169
Saturn Conjunction Neptune 2.21 275
Uranus Conjunction Neptune 8.20 33
Neptune Sextile Pluto 3.18 16
1004 -844 160

The thing you need to remember about Leo/Scorpio is it is double trouble. Both signs are fixed. He is less likely to compromise. It is not because he doesn't want to but because he feels he does not have to.

If you want him in your life , you need to simply find a way to accept the relationship on his terms. I wouldn't go silent. What would that accomplish?

If you want him to consider giving up his life style you need to show him why he should. So you are going to have to be a little more freaky a little more outgoing a little more whatever than the next person. The only difficult part is you do not know who your competetion is. It's like competing with a ghost.

There are people who are going to tell you to not waste your time and move on. That's ok too. Just remember this is you life and..............

You only live once but once is enough, if you do right.

All Leos want the best...the BEST everything. So be the best...the BEST everything.

Good Luck

Posted by BoneDig
But I am secretly hoping he will come back to me.

To thine own self be true.

She doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. If she likes him and misses him and wants him then go get him. It's her life and she has to look herself in the mirror. Who cares what we we think she should do?

She is the one eating alone sleeping alone and probably crying alone. She can just stop it and go and get him.
It doesn't matter what any of us thinks. It only matters how she feels and right now she wants him. He is not lying to her. He is not using her. He laid his cards on the table. Now she can play the hand and be happy or put the cards down and walk away. But make no mistake it is her decision and hers alone.

We always give advice on what we would do. It's not us though. It's her. So I try to advise people to do what makes them happy unless I think they are being taken advantage of. This is not the case here. This Leo was rather upfront. Which is commendable, IMO.

Posted by Nala13

Posted by BoneDig
But I am secretly hoping he will come back to me.

To thine own self be true.

She doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. If she likes him and misses him and wants him then go get him. It's her life and she has to look herself in the mirror. Who cares what we we think she should do?

She is the one eating alone sleeping alone and probably crying alone. She can just stop it and go and get him.
It doesn't matter what any of us thinks. It only matters how she feels and right now she wants him. He is not lying to her. He is not using her. He laid his cards on the table. Now she can play the hand and be happy or put the cards down and walk away. But make no mistake it is her decision and hers alone.

We always give advice on what we would do. It's not us though. It's her. So I try to advise people to do what makes them happy unless I think they are being taken advantage of. This is not the case here. This Leo was rather upfront. Which is commendable, IMO.

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Haha Nala, you are sweet and totally firey. I hear you. Fortunately, I'm not crying and eating alone, I don't break that easily ... plus I have a lot of great friends. Sleeping alone, ya, which sucks - but it is what it is. Also, I have Leo and Scorpio so I supposed I'm pretty fixed too? I guess, where I'm at now after thinking about what everyone has said on and off this forum is ... am i ready to even be friends with him? When I'm around him I feel incredibly sexual towards him and we can't keep our hands off each other. He won't stop it, so it is up to me, which is doable but hard. My fear is - how can I move on and be friends with him hence the silence. I donno how to do it, but we really help each other grow and talk about everything and I really love friendships like that. Ugh, not an easy situation to navigate!

Oh gosh, you want monogamy he wants something else, you are willing to compromise yourself in order to have him back, at which stage, if you do get him back, you will doormat yourself to be in a relationship with him until you are hurt very badly, are you explicity looking for emotional pain or are you thinking he will come to you and decide that he is soooo in love with you that he will never look at another woman again. Stop thinking with your loins and think with your head. The situation is very easy, navigate far away from it.

Posted by Jynja

Posted by BoneDig

Posted by Jynja
BigD - Your Leo likely has a symptom of sun square moon.
His needs and wants are in conflict, and perhaps (with his Pluto in Scorpio as well) his moon is strengthened and his emotional needs very demanding.

If you can post his chart, we'll see what's going on there.

Awesome! Here it is according to cafe astrology.

Thanks Jynja, I wish I knew about this stuff...

Zodiac in degrees 0.00 Time unknown
Sun Leo 14.01
Moon Scorpio 24.25
Mercury Virgo 9.16
Venus Libra 23.09
Mars Leo 21.40
Jupiter Cancer 6.44
Saturn Capricorn 7.19 R
Uranus Capricorn 1.20 R
Neptune Capricorn 9.40 R
Pluto Scorpio 12.58
Lilith Libra 23.29
Asc node Aquarius 25.38


Planet Aspect Planet Orb/Value
Sun Conjunction Mars 7.38 106
Sun Trine Saturn 6.42 34
Sun Trine Neptune 4.21 55
Sun Sextile Pluto 1.03 243
Moon Sextile Mars 2.45 47
Mercury Square Jupiter 2.33 -97
Mercury Square Saturn 1.57 -121
Mercury Square Neptune 0.24 -93
Jupiter Opposition Saturn 0.35 -328
Jupiter Opposition Uranus 5.23 -83
Jupiter Opposition Neptune 2.57 -122
Jupiter Trine Pluto 6.15 26
Saturn Conjunction Uranus 5.59 169
Saturn Conjunction Neptune 2.21 275
Uranus Conjunction Neptune 8.20 33
Neptune Sextile Pluto 3.18 16
1004 -844 160

Well, BoneD, I'm not sure if cafeastrology's software has a virus. This is quite an interesting chart. BUT, my suspicion comes from the aspect: *Sun sextile Pluto*

Would you mind running it on astro.com? Or if it might be a problem, send me just his birth date by PM and I'll run it.

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Jynja,
I entered it into astro - tell me what you think... thanks!


Pluto Conjunction AS Orb 0??30'
Saturn Conjunction Neptune Orb 2??20'
Saturn Conjunction Uranus Orb 5??58'
Sun Conjunction Mars Orb 7??37'
Uranus Conjunction Neptune Orb 8??19'
Jupiter Opposite Saturn Orb 0??34'
Jupiter Opposite Neptune Orb 2??55'
Jupiter Opposite Uranus Orb 5??23'
Moon Square MC Orb 0??09'
Mercury Square Neptune Orb 0??22'
Mercury Square Saturn Orb 1??58'
Mercury Square Jupiter Orb 2??33'
Sun Trine Neptune Orb 4??24'
Uranus Trine MC Orb 6??06'
Jupiter Tri

not sure why it didnt finish posting....

Positions of Planets
Sun 14??04' Leo
Moon 25??04' Scorpio
Mercury 9??18' Virgo
Venus 23??12' Libra
Mars 21??42' Leo
Jupiter 6??44' Cancer
Saturn 7??19' –? Capricorn
Uranus 1??21' –? Capricorn
Neptune 9??40' –? Capricorn
Pluto 12??57' Scorpio
Chiron 15??45' Cancer
Ceres 26??34' Gemini
Pallas 13??35' –? Aries
Juno 5??00' Libra
Vesta 5??38' Capricorn
Node 25??39' –? Aquarius
Lilith 28??17' Libra
Fortune 24??27' Capricorn
AS 13??27' Scorpio
MC 25??14' Leo


Planets in Houses*
Sun House 10
Moon House 1
Mercury House 11
Venus House 12
Mars House 10
Jupiter House 8
Saturn House 2
Uranus House 2
Neptune House 2
Pluto House 1
Chiron House 9
Ceres House 8
Pallas House 5
Juno House 11
Vesta House 2
Node House 4
Lilith House 12
Fortune House 3

Positions of Houses
House 1 13??27' Scorpio
House 2 12??48' Sagittarius
House 3 17??58' Capricorn
House 4 25??14' Aquarius
House 5 27??37' Pisces
House 6 23??10' Aries
House 7 13??27' Taurus
House 8 12??48' Gemini
House 9 17??58' Cancer
House 10 25??14' Leo
House 11 27??37' Virgo
House 12 23??10' Libra


List of Aspects
Pluto Conjunction AS Orb 0??30'
Saturn Conjunction Neptune Orb 2??20'
Saturn Conjunction Uranus Orb 5??58'
Sun Conjunction Mars Orb 7??37'
Uranus Conjunction Neptune Orb 8??19'
Jupiter Opposite Saturn Orb 0??34'
Jupiter Opposite Neptune Orb 2??55'
Jupiter Opposite Uranus Orb 5??23'
Moon Square MC Orb 0??09'
Mercury Square Neptune Orb 0??22'
Mercury Square Saturn Orb 1??58'
Mercury Square Jupiter Orb 2??33'
Sun Trine Neptune Orb 4??24'
Uranus Trine MC Orb 6??06'
Jupiter Trine Pluto Orb 6??12'
Jupiter Trine AS Orb 6??42'
Sun Trine Saturn Orb 6??45'
Sun Sextile AS Orb 0??37'
Sun Sextile Pluto Orb 1??07'
Venus Sextile MC Orb 2??01'
Neptune Sextile Pluto Orb 3??16'
Moon Sextile Mars Orb 3??22'
Neptune Sextile AS Orb 3??46'
Saturn Sextile Pluto Orb 5??37'
Moon SemiSquare Neptune Orb 0??24'
Moon SemiSquare Mercury Orb 0??46'
Mercury SemiSquare MC Orb 0??55'
Neptune SesquiQuadrate MC Orb 0??33'
Sun Quintile Moon Orb 1??00'