Pain

Im in love with a Libra. I love him so much; almost to the point where it hurts. He's everything I want.

Im a Gemini by the way.

Anyone else have a relationship with a Lib?

Hi Mona Lisa,

I am a female Libra and dont have any experience with a male Libra. But there are alot of similar points about the two signs. Could you give a little more information? It sounds like your not sure just how secure you are in the situation. Without more insight I cant give much feedback.

And welcome to Duncanville, we are a little off the cuff here. But we do have fun and enjoy talking with each other. There are alot of good people here so enjoy your stay. All you need is an open mind and a good sense of humor and you will fit right in.

Again a big WELCOME to you, hope you decide to stay

tw2

Hi Twinflame! Nice to meet you. How are you by the way?

As for me, I did not intend to give off the impression that I was suffering in this relationship. Rather, I'm so happy that it hurts. If that makes any sense!?

Our relationship revolves more around communication and intellectual stimulation. We both agree that we could go without sex(although I wouldn't rely on our judgement..)

Do Libras always have a need to feel connected? My mate despises if our 'connection' is even remotely severed. He tends to try and probe my mind whenever I drift off into thought. Although I can carry a conversation for hours, the last thing I can convey with articulation is my emotions. This is something he has a problem with.

Mona Lisa, (I like you ID by the way)!

Yes I guess we need to feel connected in some way, no matter what sex we are (Libras) I mean. And yes we do have an annoying habbit of wanting to know what a person is thinking if they look as though they are lost in thought.

Most likely this question gets asked alot more often, due to the fact that you have a hard time sharing how you feel verbally. Libras are kind of insecure at times I think if they dont get enough reasurrance from their partner.

Tell you what try complimenting him on little things he says or does. Or tell him how much you appreciate something he has done for you (even if it is a small thing).

He will feel like all is right with the world between the two of you if you do this. Because he will feel like you are happy with him in a number of ways. And this alone will quell his fears about needing to verbally hear about your emotions. I know it sounds kind of funny, but try it and see.

You will be giving him the reasurrance he is seeking, but without having to pull stuff outside of yourself that makes you feel uncomfortable to talk about.

Its a kind of differal of the subject at hand kind of thing, but it accomplishes the same goal most times. He will feel connected to you because you have noticed the things he is and has done that you appreciate. Works like a charm! I hate to say this but Libras (including myself) just seem to eat that stuff up like candy. Kind of sad I think that we seem to need so much reasurrance, but we seem to.

There are things about being a Libra that I am not as crazy about at times. Le Sigh! Ah well what is a person to do!

We are what we are! And that is how it is! Sorry I am not more help but I only know about the female lide of the Libra thing as I just dont know very many male libras.


TW2

TW2

opps the female side of things (I meant to say)!

2005-02-03 09:01:06

Thanks! I just found the name darling :-)
What does twinflame and the number "2" mean and how do they correspond with eachother?(Pardon me if I'm being intrusive.. then again that is so Gemini of me? 😉)

As for everything above, I read it to my Libra and he said it's right on!(this was on the phone) To quote him, "Yeah, I need your attention 100% otherwise I'll feel disconnected. Left out."

then later he felt he wasn't getting any emotional support because I was typing you a response and not giving him full attention. We've always been talking on the phone as he's going to work and just this one time I break away his feelings get hurt.

Do Gemini/Libra relationships usually have this 'problem'?(assuming you had a relationship with a Gemini..?)

No I have not had a relationship with a gemini, but I do have my Mars in gemini and that affects how I am in a relationship sexually and stuff. In other words Gemini has a big role in how I interact.

All I know is that if my signifigant other is working far to much for ahwile if I dont get some of his undevided attention when he is home I feel left out also (like I am not as important as he is to me) And then I feel kind of bad about it.

I am not quite sure just where this comes from except as I said earlier Libras will give special attention to the ones they love. But because they need balance and equality in their relationships and lifes they can feel hurt and left out if they dont receive the same thing in return. Its that darn balance equation that gets us all bothered and stuff.

Even though we can rationalize it all, we seem to equate a lack of equal attention the same as a lack of interest and deapth of love for us. Like I said it can make no logical sense sometimes but thats how it is. As stated before there are traits about being a Libra that are not my favorite things to be.

But we do have a good heart for the most part, and are very attentive and giving to our partners needs.

TW2

Hope this answeres some things for you. We are a bit on the insecure side for some reason. Personality flaw I guess. Well no one is perfect, and it sound like you are pretty happy for the most part with your libra.

The best of luck to you both now and in your future together. May you posess all the happiness life can offer to you during your time toghether while here.

TW2

Hi My comments on a Libra and Gemini might be long but read it all:

You have an excellent mental rapport, and you enjoy one another's intelligence, wit, and style . Both of you are very social creatures who thrive on interaction with people, cultural activities and conversation. Your match is likely to be a very egalitarian one, for you both want a partner who is an equal and a friend above all else.

Libra is very considerate, has a strong desire to please Gemini (or any partner) and will compromise readily; Libra always sees numerous possibilities or desirable alternatives, and you both have trouble being decisive or making up your minds sometimes.

Both of you are more rational and reasonable than emotional so you are likely to get along well. Difficult situations or problems that arise between you are likely to be dealt with logically and with an attempt to be equitable and fair. Both of you are uncomfortable with an unrestrained expression of feelings, and you may ignore or avoid your own anger, fears, sadness, or other "dark" emotions. Libra always wants the relationship to be sweetness and light and tries to smooth everything over as quickly as possible. Gemini will discuss or debate endlessly but detaches or becomes very uncomfortable when emotion threatens to overcome the reasonable tone of the discussion. Gemini uses humor or verbosity as a defence against feeling difficult emotions, or dealing with other people's emotions.

You are both very social creatures wit a great need for companionship and conversation, though Libra is more personal, more interested in people and human situations while Gemini is simply interested in ideas and will talk about anything at all! You are likely to appreciate one another very much as friends (in addition to whatever romantic interests you have for one another).

Wit, intelligence, and an active mind are attributes the two of you share, and in your relationship there will be a focus on communicating, bantering, a lot of verbal give and take. Both of you tend to be the dominant one in any discussion or debate, and you may find yourselves competing with each other in your discussions. This most likely will not be a major problem, but both of you would do well to step back and truly listen to one another.

The romantic attraction between you is strong. Your initial infatuation with each other is likely to lead to marriage, and even after years of marriage, the sweet romantic quality of your relationship will continue. Not only do you love each other, but you like and appreciate one another as well.

This is a passionate relationship, but also a rather aggressive and combative one at times. Sex may be a bit rough, crude, or insensitive as well. You stimulate each other both in sexual and non-sexual ways, but you are also inclined to irritate each other. As long as you don't end up fighting and competing with each other, you can accomplish a great deal together. However, the aggressiveness of this relationship is prone to foster anger and hurt feelings - so be careful not to incite hostility in each other.

The both of you, should do everything possible to take the pressure off yourselves concerning sexuality. Fantasy is something you both enjoy. Bedroom games, comes naturally to you both. Gemini may at times have to bank the sexual fires, otherwise premature ejaculation or multiple orgasms can leave your Libra partner feeling frustrated.

Excitement, experimentation, and a radical departure from old ways of life characterize your bond. One of the purposes of the two of you being together is to challenge all of the old patterns and conditioning you both carry. While disturbing at times, this can also be very liberating. Emotional freedom is a lot of what this relationship is about.

Together you will be inspired to take action and do things that you may not have had the courage or confidence to do as single i

It's unerring. Utterly stunned. Is this all from you? I applaud thee.
(I'll bold the ones that are right on the dot.)

You have an excellent mental rapport, and you enjoy one another's intelligence, wit, and style . Both of you are very social creatures who thrive on interaction with people, cultural activities and conversation. Your match is likely to be a very egalitarian one, for you both want a partner who is an equal and a friend above all else.

Libra is very considerate, has a strong desire to please Gemini (or any partner) and will compromise readily; Libra always sees numerous possibilities or desirable alternatives, and you both have trouble being decisive or making up your minds sometimes.

Both of you are more rational and reasonable than emotional so you are likely to get along well. Difficult situations or problems that arise between you are likely to be dealt with logically and with an attempt to be equitable and fair. Both of you are uncomfortable with an unrestrained expression of feelings, and you may ignore or avoid your own anger, fears, sadness, or other "dark" emotions. Libra always wants the relationship to be sweetness and light and tries to smooth everything over as quickly as possible. Gemini will discuss or debate endlessly but detaches or becomes very uncomfortable when emotion threatens to overcome the reasonable tone of the discussion. Gemini uses humor or verbosity as a defence against feeling difficult emotions, or dealing with other people's emotions.

You are both very social creatures wit a great need for companionship and conversation, though Libra is more personal, more interested in people and human situations while Gemini is simply interested in ideas and will talk about anything at all! You are likely to appreciate one another very much as friends (in addition to whatever romantic interests you have for one another).

Wit, intelligence, and an active mind are attributes the two of you share, and in your relationship there will be a focus on communicating, bantering, a lot of verbal give and take. Both of you tend to be the dominant one in any discussion or debate, and you may find yourselves competing with each other in your discussions. This most likely will not be a major problem, but both of you would do well to step back and truly listen to one another.

The romantic attraction between you is strong. Your initial infatuation with each other is likely to lead to marriage, and even after years of marriage, the sweet romantic quality of your relationship will continue. Not only do you love each other, but you like and appreciate one another as well.

This is a passionate relationship, but also a rather aggressive and combative one at times. Sex may be a bit rough, crude, or insensitive as well. You stimulate each other both in sexual and non-sexual ways, but you are also inclined to irritate each other. As long as you don't end up fighting and competing with each other, you can accomplish a great deal together. However, the aggressiveness of this relationship is prone to foster anger and hurt feelings - so be careful not to incite hostility in each other.

The both of you, should do everything possible to take the pressure off yourselves concerning sexuality. Fantasy is something you both enjoy. Bedroom games, comes naturally to you both. Gemini may at times have to bank the sexual fires, otherwise premature ejaculation or multiple orgasms can leave your Libra partner feeling frustrated.

Excitement, experimentation, and a radical departure from old ways of life characterize your bond. One of the purposes of the two of you being together is to challenge all of the old patterns and conditioning you both carry. While disturbing at times, this can also be very liberating. Emotional freedom is a lot of what this relationship is about.

Mona Lisa,

To answer the question you asked me earlier "what does Twinflame2" stand for. Well its kind of like finding your soul mate but better.
A twinflame is a paring that is closer than a soul mate would be. The one person that feels like they are your other half. And comming together makes you as whole as you can be. You can have more than one soul mate in a lifetime, but there is only one twinflame match for a person. If they find each other the love they share is a very strong bond indeed. The kind that can last throughout life and into the next. You have known each other in another time as well and been destined lovers. So therefore since I am female I am still hoping to find my twinflame1, as I am twinflame2. So thats what it is about. I thought I met my twinn at one time but I was mistaken. So I am still searching in hopes that I will be lucky enough to meet them someday.

TW2

Hope this helps. Iwas married to a Libra. He cheated on me with a Gemini. I was very, very hurt when I found out. I know this is not your average cancer girl speaking when I say this, but I thought the 2 made a cute couple. But, I am woman enough to say that she pulled something out of him that I had never seen before. I think she left him so time later, but they did seem happy when the were dating. Once I started reading about horoscopes i realized that they were more compatiable them we were. So, the way I see it everything happens for a reason.

Sorry for your experience with your libra lovestruck. You are quite strong in character for being able to see things the way you are, impressive.

And diam2cute,

your response was great. You provided just what mona lisa needed that I could not give her. It was kind and thoughful of you to put so much effort into your reply. Welcome to the boards if you are new, I can see you would be a great addition to our little family here in Duncan ville. So I am sending a big HELLLOOOOO...and I hope to see you on the boards again. I think you would like it here, I know I sure do.

TW2

I don't find this Libra attractive anymore. He's rather childish.

It is so sad, just days ago you seemed so happy. Can you not patch things up? Or was he terrible ? If it wasnt right, then the next one will be better !! There are so many fish in the sea! To pick such a classy name, . . .you must me someone special,and if that is so, then just around the corner is happiness. . .you just gotta keep going, . . keep yer chin up. . you are among friends here. . .

So sorry Mona Lisa that things went south in your relationship with the Libra. What has happened if you dont mind me asking? You were so happy last month when you first posted about him.

Let us know how you are doing, and if you are all right, ok!

And hello Drago, I have not seen you on the boards before. I have been here since may of last year, so I guess I am not a newbie anymore. Hope to get to know you and Mona Lisa better as time passes.

TW2

Hello Drago and Twinflame, nice to hear from both of you.

As for the relationship between the Libra and I--well, let's just say it's not what I call happy times. He still lives with his mother because his father passed away and is now the man of the house. His mother constantly berates him to come home early and well--depends on him. To the point where it drives me nuts. I'm the type of person who favors freedom and independence but this relationship seems to hinder it..
At times, I don't see any vision of growth in this relationship.
All I see is a gloomy tunnel where the light never appears.
All I see is his mother controlling him and me.
The thing is he's perfectly fine with it. I'm not. How will this work? Perhaps it won't....
He shocked me with sudden anger few days ago... he wanted to see me but I objected...favoring solitude but instead told him a white lie that I wanted to see my friends. That's when everything went downhill, because of that he ignored me and threw temper tantrums/cold shoulder whenever I tried talking with him. I apologized for my 'rude behavior' but it wasn't good enough for him. I even went so far as to call him 50 or more times just so I can try to make things up by seeing him. He refused. I decided to wait things out and he finally called apologizing for his behavior but he's now giving me ultimatums.

1.) I have to respect the fact that his family is important to him.
2.) He has to come home early(he's 28 for christ sakes.)

The thing is I DO respect his family... his family is the one that doesn't respect me. They give him limited options to his free will and he abides by it like a little boy. That makes me lose respect for him. Although I understand the dependency that his family must have on him, it doesn't justify sheltering him.

But he's okay with it.
That is fustrating.
I guess things will never work out.

Oh, and, we both fall in and out of love easily.
But this relationship has us hooked.. we just can't let go of eachother.. why? Now he's more cautious with his love. He doesn't want to jump into love so easily. What's up with that?

Perhaps he cherishes love more because of me..

Hey Mona,
I can understand where you are coming from. Is it monetary reasons he lives at home ? You know what they say, if you love something, let it go, and if it comes back to you, then you will know in your heart, things are OK. . . However, there is a mystery here, . .excuse me for being nosy, . . but do you live on your own ? I get the impression, maybe there could be a religious reason he has to go home on time, . . or . . is he playing a game ? The fact that he through a temper tantrum means he really was effected by "whatever". Do you think it is possible that you two could be best friends? Maybe you just need to start over ! It feels like you really care. . .anyway, Im just rambling on, cause I feel bad for you at this time. . . hope things work out !

Hello Drago!

Yes I do live on my own, sir/mam.
Yesterday I tried to make him 'realize' his independence/individuality apart from his family. It's so silly. I drew this diagram about "water" how oxygen represented him and the two hydrogens represented his sister/mother. The atoms would make up a molecule but in the end atoms are still individuals even when bonded into a molecule. He started laughing but hey, it was worth a try. We talked for hours and he started to pour his heart out to me... saying he wants to feel liberation and freedom.. how he wants to take care of his family but yet want them to respect his free will. I told him I'd help him follow his own path..

How very true C Girl. . . Speaking as a Libra male, we tend to put our hearts into things we think are important or that we love. . We tend to care too much at times and we get taken advantage of when that happens. We dont poor our hearts out to just anyone. . usually, it is only someone we think we can trust wholeheartedly, before we spill our guts!!! The sad part is, it hurts like hell when someone does not appreciate our opening our hearts to them and they tell someone our deep dark secrets . . .

By the way Mona, if he is trusting you like it appears, you are already half way there, you just got to be patient with him. Sounds like he is very sincere and wants to do the right thing with all concerned. . He is living with a heavy load on his shoulders, you might just be the person to help him with that load. .I wish you much luck, just cause you care for him so much !!!

Yes there are Parallax,

I am, I like that song.

Mona Lisa,

I am just curious was he living on his own before his father passed on? Or has he lived with his mom a long time? It makes a differnece as to what you may be able to expect in this situation. If he has lived there a long time before loosing a parent, it will be much harder for him to change things in that regard. Because there will be a familiarity and routine that he has grown very used to. What I mean is was he dependant on his parents before he was so needed? If he was trying to get him to solo again will be more difficult. It sounds like this issue is already causing some difficulty for you in the relationship. And most likely his mom will feel it's your influence that is getting him to leave. This could cause further complications as you stated that respect is already as issue for you. I am not sure just how a situation like this can be resolved and keep all parties happy. Let me know ok, I do wish you the best of luck in your relationship. And I hope everything does work out for you and your libra.

TW2

Thank you all for your responses.....

Yes, we're doing quite well right now..
but his family is still on our case..
it's almost an emotional burden on my part, I really don't know how to take it anymore. I don't know how I'm suppose to take this.. but today we went out with his sister who's about 1-2 years younger than him. She kept clinging onto his arm as if he was her significant other. I didn't feel like holding his hand anymore because it just looked wrong to me. My boyfriend told her to let go but she kept refusing.. saying 'nooooo' in this kiddy girl voice. Quite irritating. Then in the car SHE sat in the front seat while I sat in the back.. another weird picture. I honestly don't feel like I'm his girlfriend sometimes.. and I don't think his family has much respect for me.. just because I'm giving the boy some liberation.

Such maturity you display.

do you know the concept of a relationship? please enlighten me because you obviously can't even grasp the realities of dating.

perhaps I have selfish desires, yes, I want to be with this boy without his mom on his ass 24/7 telling him what he should feel and need. There is a lot of details to this relatoinship than what I've exposed here, that's common sense you don't seem to possess.

As I've elucidated before, "I don't know how to handle this." was pretty clear. Thanks, perhaps I was over exaggerating since his family does talk crap about me and gives HIM hell just because we spend time with each other. If you know your math you can correlate the above post with what I've just stated.

Thanks for you input(although not much appreciated) and have a good day! Ciao.

On second thought, I apologize for this post. I don't want to stoop down to this level because of a misunderstanding. You don't understand me or the situation at all and in no way is my above post validness for retaliation. My apologies. Have a nice day, once again.

Aaaaaaanyway

Updates:

His family doesn't bug him as much anymore. He still takes care of his family(money, emotionally, etc.) but he's exploring other areas.. things that his family can't provide. So everything is going okay, I think. :-) Thanks, everyone!!! for your inputs.. it helped much.

tell me but how am I playing that game with him?

It went like this:

I love him
He hurts me
I question myself if I can be ever attracted to this man again
I forgive him
We start over

how is that not love?
Now I'm questioning if this is all based upon perception of the signs?

How can that be simplified with the little girl with the flower? Yes, I find his family values noble but all I'm saying is that if he wants some freedom then I'll give it to him. Before he listened to his mother and catered to her every need but now he's realizing he has a life seperate from his mother. Which doesn't mean he's abandoning her.. there's a clear distinction.

Oh, heck, I'm out. Bye everyone.

PS:
Thanks everyone, really. :-)
Adieu

hi mona lisa... im a libra, what is it about your libra that you like? what is his chinese (eastern sign)? I just signed up for this, how do i start my own message board? Libra's often have trouble deciding what the hell career they want to get into, it is often because they spend a lot of time weighing out the costs and the benefits to every decision. should i do this.. or should i do that? a few careers that i know libra's do well at are lawyer and graphic artist, two extremes... but libra's are known for having multiple careers. I am 25 am obtaining a degree in economics and sociology. But i am a libra born in the year of the goat. So i need another libra to explain to me what the hell is going on here. Thanks.

mark

hi mona lisa... im a libra, what is it about your libra that you like? what is his chinese (eastern sign)? I just signed up for this, how do i start my own message board? Libra's often have trouble deciding what the hell career they want to get into, it is often because they spend a lot of time weighing out the costs and the benefits to every decision. should i do this.. or should i do that? a few careers that i know libra's do well at are lawyer and graphic artist, two extremes... but libra's are known for having multiple careers. I am 25 am obtaining a degree in economics and sociology. But i am a libra born in the year of the goat. So i need another libra to explain to me what the hell is going on here. Thanks.

mark

hi mona lisa... im a libra, what is it about your libra that you like? what is his chinese (eastern sign)? I just signed up for this, how do i start my own message board? Libra's often have trouble deciding what the hell career they want to get into, it is often because they spend a lot of time weighing out the costs and the benefits to every decision. should i do this.. or should i do that? a few careers that i know libra's do well at are lawyer and graphic artist, two extremes... but libra's are known for having multiple careers. I am 25 am obtaining a degree in economics and sociology. But i am a libra born in the year of the goat. So i need another libra to explain to me what the hell is going on here. Thanks.

mark

ahhhhhh submitted my comment three times, ignore the other two.
thanks