Saturn in Libra, and my observations

My take

* Libras are going to wisen up with a no nonsense approach this season. Games are over; time to get serious. You'll see the Minerva side to Libras, not the namby pamby side. That means the law is going to be upheld for libras - they're forced to manifest that side.

*Contrary to popular belief, it's really the Ariens who are going to hide their light under their bushel this season. When Libra overpowers Aries in SATURN, which is a hand of punishment, Libra presence in Aries' life means they're gonna BE their authority figure. Aries, no more pushing your fellow Librans about. They're gonna be very strong and unswerving with old Saturn transiting them.

*Cancers and Capricorns are going to FEEL the irritation of Saturn in Libra. And they're not going to like it one bit.

*Leos and Aquarians are going to feel supported by Saturn in Libra. Especially Leo - this period, they're going to feel their life becoming more stable, and they feel happier and more actualised; Aquas - they may not need Saturn 😉

---->I used to have this Aries ex friend who did many bad stuffs and expected to get away with it. Well she got away scott free for the most part, BUT I have a feeling Saturn in Libra's going to bring her to justice, like it should, and her sun is just about 8 degrees Aries. Now, I believe in Karma afterall. I don't even need to do anything 😉.. just wait and see.

----> Notice that Cancers and Capricorns will be extra irritated with Libras this season (when Saturn is in Libra). They're all Cardinal signs, and they hate to let Libra rule. For my Solar Return, I noticed that already. I had a cancer member who celebrated for me. Irritation is extra high.

---> Sorry I cannot comment about Sag/ Gem, as its not my forte, but I am thinking Saturn in Libra will be affording Gemini some stability to their mental dexterity, and Sag some stability to their restlessness.

spica, more about Leos PLEASE

Leos are going to feel empowered and very strong. I have alot of Leo friends suddenly popping into my life, happier, stronger than before. Their career/studies are going fab, they've changed jobs to ones they like, and, they're going to be Libra's greatest ally this season and vice versa. That is, if they're not love rivals! God forbid!

Saturn is still in virgo, taking it's last lap before it resigns and hands over the baton. Strange, I can feel its energy already. Not sure what it really means, I'm not an extreme expert, but just sharing my thoughts.

WOW
* Leos are going to feel empowered and very strong. - (true)
* I have alot of Leo friends suddenly popping into my life, happier, stronger than before. - I also notice That I am more positive and have more self confidence.Stubborn too
* Their career/studies are going fab, - (true)
* they've changed jobs to ones they like, - I moved to a new department -2-3 weeks ago
and, they're going to be Libra's greatest ally this season and vice versa. - you think I hate my libra boss(but I have great libra girlfriends...maybe)
* That is, if they're not love rivals! God forbid! -( yeah, God forbid! never dating a Libra again...ever!(LOL))

Bella, love rivals, not relationship mates.. Leos and Libras are better off as friends.. once in relationship they lose respect for each other, which is a pity. I love my Leo friends, they're all such genuinely positive and strong people. And they love me!

"you think I hate my libra boss"

You'd hate him because he's one up from you. Peers, not lovers, and not bosses. Not even parents, I don't think!

meant to say "I hate my libra boss".

So, we are gonna fight even more. Thank God, I will be out of the office for 2 months.

I ran into my libra ex and I ignored him totally and felt NOTHING. Which for me is a first... It took my years to get to this point

Show him you're his ally, not fighting for his place. But damn, Libra boss to Leo is damn hard.. if you can solve that one, let me know 😉
Maybe if you think that he's gonna be on your side, supporting your ambitions, that'll be better? It might be oversimplification without knowing anything about it, but, it may work.

Posted by Bella79
I ran into my libra ex and I ignored him totally and felt NOTHING. Which for me is a first... It took my years to get to this point

Thats very good!

Posted by spica
Show him you're his ally, not fighting for his place. But damn, Libra boss to Leo is damn hard.. if you can solve that one, let me know 😉
Maybe if you think that he's gonna be on your side, supporting your ambitions, that'll be better? It might be oversimplification without knowing anything about it, but, it may work.

Libra boss, was going on and on about himself and how great and wonderful he is. I rolled my eyes and told him I got work to do. And I am really not in the mood to hear his life story for the 100th time. (Mean I know). But He is just so 2faced, sneaky and such a lair.

If he had it his way I won't be working there anymore. But the board wanted me to stay.And they moved me . I don't have to deal with him that much anymore.

Posted by Bella79

Posted by spica
Show him you're his ally, not fighting for his place. But damn, Libra boss to Leo is damn hard.. if you can solve that one, let me know 😉
Maybe if you think that he's gonna be on your side, supporting your ambitions, that'll be better? It might be oversimplification without knowing anything about it, but, it may work.

Libra boss, was going on and on about himself and how great and wonderful he is. I rolled my eyes and told him I got work to do. And I am really not in the mood to hear his life story for the 100th time. (Mean I know). But He is just so 2faced, sneaky and such a lair.

If he had it his way I won't be working there anymore. But the board wanted me to stay.And they moved me . I don't have to deal with him that much anymore.

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That's cool. But he'd be more reserved and sombre in time to come.

I hope so . I am a bit tired of of fighting with him...

when saturn was in Leo it almost broke me...

I think Libras will find it tough as well. But hey, I have saturn/sun conjunct so I know it all too well.
My virgo galfriend married when transiting saturn/venus was on her sun. Now Saturn's coming out of virgo and her marriage is in jeopardy. Coincidence?

I don't know what bad stuff he did to you, but if he deserves it, then he deserves it.

spica, I hid my comment it sounds a bit mean. Saturn in Leo was hard, but I also learned valuable lessons.
I guess I am hoping that he will get a taste of his own medicine. And learn not to treat women that badly ever again.

You're a gentle soul, Bella, you certainly don't deserve him - rather, he doesn't deserve you. Libra tends to punish the kinder people out of an unworthy sense of self projection, and submit to the crueler people. Right until they find their sense of self - tough lesson for Libra.
Oh yes, he will get a taste of his own medicine. Saturn will force libra to grow up, and punishment is meted in various circumstances till they learn what they need to learn. Don't worry about that 😉

"to grow up, and punishment is meted in various circumstances till they learn what they need to learn. "

Saturn does that to all of us, when it is your sign give you a " beating" and you are going to learn if you want to or not...LOL

Yes, but apparently to their opposite sign, its worse. Saturn is their enemy and will hunt them down with pistols.

To describe Saturn on the sun, it's like a wooden cangue on the neck. But no execution.

I think when Saturn was in virgo, pisces were in hiding. At least my pisces friends were in deep mud and seldom popped their head up.
one of them described their days as struggling to keep their head above water.

OMG, so when it gets to Aqua I am in trouble... (smilling). going to bed now it is almost 00:00.

I'm kind of excited to see what the next 2 or so years are going to have in store.
Saturn in our solar 12th has been opposing Uranus in Pisces and really creating some emotional conflict.
Most of the changes we will feel and experience will be for the better on a mental and emotional level (for the weaker links though, this may be a trying time)
This will be an excellent time to take up some self improvement, mostly in how we interact with others in relationships and how we present ourselves.
If we keep trying to pull the same Libra stunts we try to pull, we may be humbled for it, so some self evaluation and positive changes will be in order.

Posted by Bella79
OMG, so when it gets to Aqua I am in trouble... (smilling). going to bed now it is almost 00:00.

When I post on DXP I can't sleep. lolz.

Posted by acrossTheGround
I'm kind of excited to see what the next 2 or so years are going to have in store.
Saturn in our solar 12th has been opposing Uranus in Pisces and really creating some emotional conflict.
Most of the changes we will feel and experience will be for the better on a mental and emotional level (for the weaker links though, this may be a trying time)
This will be an excellent time to take up some self improvement, mostly in how we interact with others in relationships and how we present ourselves.
If we keep trying to pull the same Libra stunts we try to pull, we may be humbled for it, so some self evaluation and positive changes will be in order.

Interesting observations on the solar 12th! Saturn absorbs the shocks caused by uranus though..
..and good advice for libra.
Saturn seemed to have treated the virgos well as it passed through as the virgo board people look in good shape, right about now 🙂

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Posted by spica
I think Libras will find it tough as well. But hey, I have saturn/sun conjunct so I know it all too well.
My virgo galfriend married when transiting saturn/venus was on her sun. Now Saturn's coming out of virgo and her marriage is in jeopardy. Coincidence?

lol..
stars & planets are just stars and planets at the end of the day..
it is in jeopardy.. because stuff like that happens..

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No, it's significant! In a way my present expertise may not be able to fully explain.
I may even dare say that the stars and planets can be a dictating force in your life, but you just don't know it yet! Free will may be an illusion, afterall. Who knows, the fact you went to your cousin's engagement party instead of your friend's convocation (on the same day) is due to some activation of the 7th house and a thrashing or empty 9th house.

My explanation of Saturn/Venus, EXACTLY conj. her sun on her marriage day is because saturn/venus rules marriage. Saturn moving out may show less control over something. Who knows?

Posted by Ike 2.0
Saturn is a real pain in the ass but he is the fairest in the zodaic .

No, he is not fair!
Saturn is fair only if he is exalted (in Libra). Not tooting anyone's horn, but "fair" is Libra territory.
Saturn is the hard taskmaster. You get thrashed even if you did nothing wrong.

And speaking of transits, Saturn is as fair as Uranus when she goes in her rounds.

But, dear old Saturn, fair? No, no, no! The fairest Saturn has given up control for selfish reasons, given up thrashing someone just because he doesn't like them (and not through merit), and given up structure, which is just an empty shell anyway. Which Saturnian person can see beyond themselves and free themselves from their own perception of authority?
The closest I saw was a Cap sun/Sag moon, but he is doing it extremely conciously.

*Cancers and Capricorns are going to FEEL the irritation of Saturn in Libra. And they're not going to like it one bit.

😢 just what I needed.....

Posted by Ike 2.0
well yeah i agree libra does rule Justice afterall ! BUt saturn is associated with Karma and is known as the wise teacher who holds you accountable for your actions , so i was just thinking despite his somewhat cold personality he is still in the end a very fair ruler . But venus would so get her ass kicked by saturn , because she is lazy as hell and doesn't do any work . She is pretty yes ! But all she does is talk and talk about intellectual concepts but doesn't do butter about it , saturn thinks she is cheap .

You just effectively channelled Saturn over there!
But Saturn has his limitations (PUN INTENDED! 😉 ).
You talk about Saturn like he's the God of all things big and purposeful, but that is only an analogy. The worst kind of punishment Saturn does is to its own bearers. The humans and the archetypal Saturn is very different. They can mimic it and try to live up to its name, but they fall flat all the time. Saturn makes its natives cold, depressing, feeling responsible for everything even if its none of their business, and having low self esteem and needing to prove their authority to everyone.
Saturn thinks Venus is cheap because of his own low sense of self; if he does what Venus does he would hate himself forever. Venus does not naturally rule the intellect, but more on beauty and this includes beautiful intellectual concepts.

Posted by Shaks
I got into the best relationship Ive ever had under Saturn in Virgo 😛 and shes a saturn-ruled femme too, a cappy 🙂

Well that is good. Did you experience the effects on Saturn on moon?

Posted by Lunamistress
*Cancers and Capricorns are going to FEEL the irritation of Saturn in Libra. And they're not going to like it one bit.

😢 just what I needed.....

Your Sagittarius placements will welcome Saturn in Libra. Probably your love life would be stable.

Not funny Ike. You seem to throw and jumble bits of stuff to make your point.

You confer alot of power to Saturn in your conversation. Actually, one reason Saturn tolerates Pluto and Uranus is because they have been through and tolerated immense suffering so even the poison darts of Scorpio are just absorbed.

One funniest thing about Saturn is that although wisdom comes with experience, one with little or no wisdom still imposes it like they do.

Saturn humbles, but is not necessarily humble. But one would hope there's a combination of those.

For one thing, Saturn sure loves to be the authority. But whether he's up to it is not for him to say, but usually, he just assumes it.

"But how can you say Saturn assumes authority ?"

Human Saturn incarnates assume authority.
Do you automatically give authority to someone just because they're Saturn ruled?
If you do, then welcome to their revolution.

First, are you talking about planets or people?

Saturn rules karma, kara is suffering right?

Saturn is pretty much synonymous with suffering. As teh Caps.

First, are you talking about planets or people?

Saturn rules karma, karma is suffering right?

Saturn is pretty much synonymous with suffering. Ask teh Caps.

Posted by Ike 2.0
"Do you automatically give authority to someone just because they're Saturn ruled?"

ofcourse not but generally capricorns are suited to authority , as libras are suited for justica and law and aquarians for science and techonology etc .

That's too textbook. As you know, signs do not make a person.
As well, how many capricorns you know hold high office?

Capricorns DO have a tendency towards authority, BUT, they never get it without alot of difficulty.
As mentioned, Saturn makes it the worst for their bearers. Only the best can tolerate Saturn's lessons and emerge authoritarian. The rest just assume authority being empty vessels and that's embarassing.

Posted by Ike 2.0
First, are you talking about planets or people?

well i am generally speaking about saturn both the planet in astrology and saturn in the greek myth and lore as god of time . But either way saturn ruled children will have a lot of his disposition right ? Ofcourse they can err unlike the saturn god but still you got your traits from your ruler/planets .

look Ike, you dont just offer a cap authority just because they're born under saturn. that's too easy, and Saturn does not rule easy.

Posted by Ike 2.0
erm but i never said you offer it to them ..... my whole point was the exact opposite .

here, you did
"According to astrology and based on most vedic philosopers saturn holds people accountable and makes sure they earn their rewards that's why he is all about karma ( As you sow , so shall you reap ) etc . So i would say in theory he is given lordship over authority and government because he rules wisdom and responsbility . Each planet holds certain areas that are suited to their personality . what gives you a right to say he just assumes it ?"

"I was just arguing with you that saturn or his children don't believe in assuming authority without working for it ! These were my points simple and clear ."

No, they weren't as from what I deduced. You mentioned since Saturn ruled authority he should be gven it. You never mentioned working for it.

Anyway, authority is not necessarily something to be coveted, in the grand scheme of things. Only to the Saturnians, Saturn ruled and prominent Saturns are they very important. Ruling over others is not exactly fun for alot of people, as it should not be. It's only one part of the spectrum.
But since we're taliing about Saturn here, yes the transiting planet will confer much more difficulty if it touches a personal planet.

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Posted by spica
"I was just arguing with you that saturn or his children don't believe in assuming authority without working for it ! These were my points simple and clear ."

No, they weren't as from what I deduced. You mentioned since Saturn ruled authority he should be gven it. You never mentioned working for it.

lol never mind spica .

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If Saturn is stern, he should be on himself, then can he be fairly stern to others. I hate it when a Capricornian imposes his authority just because he thinks he's born to do it, or it makes him happy. Thats what I see with alot of Saturnians unfortunately.

But transiting planets are not sentient, so they are pardoned. Plus, transits are fair because they hit every chart.

Posted by Ike 2.0
well atleast we have venus to fight against all abuses of power from people in positions of authority .

Theoretical Venus won't do that. Only when Saturn and Venus team up, maybe.

Thats the ideal Saturn. But you forget Saturn is no disciple, even to their masters. They assume mastership automatically.
By the way, you have alot of respect for Saturn, I hate to burst your bubble.

Actually, the Saturn ruled have the least respect for Saturn, because Saturn is their taskmaster.

My point is, the sun sign does not make a spiritual master. Saturn born people do not naturally predispose to spiritually inclined things.
Also, you seem to take that I represent, or are biased for Venus, which I am not necessarily.

I find your defense of Saturn with the spiritual masters point a bit funny.
Why defend a planet?

I dont think Saturn needs to be defended at all. They are what they are.

And I'm not predisposed to it, because, they are that harsh. And harsh is negative. Plus you don't see Saturn smiling. At least not the archetypal Saturn.

Yes, I agree, Saturn does help you.

One channel, or perhaps the only channel: Suffering and denial.

And no, I don't agree with you alot of Caps are spiritual. In fact, alot of them are materialistic. When you have spiritual side, you will have the flipside.

Psices rules spirituality. But alot of them are ruling insanity and drugs. The opposite of spirituality can be materialism or, as pisces goes, wastage.

Alt depends on the person. sometimes a too strong saturn makes the person crumble.
other times, Saturn makes dictators and terror-mongers.

Saturn in itself is neutral. Its how the people handle it.

Is anyone other Libra already feeling the effects of Saturn return? I am currently going through it and have Saturn in Libra in the 2nd house. I lost my passport, my laptop, and money, all in three separate incidents this past month. I think it is the work of Saturn in Libra in my second house....never happened to me before!

I am a leo and I feel very detached from things. I am much happier then I have been in a while. I do miss my friend —MB??