Weirdness

My oh my. Libras. Adorable. Fun. Beautiful. SMART, maybe too smart! A mystery, especially with their constant balancing act. Flakey and pragmatic at the same time. Loyal AND loners. This be an introduction to wutzup w/ Libra Girl and moi.

I made up my mind to go all out ('don't like stalemates) so I've LAVISHED her with gifts, attention, dinners, entertainment, you-name-it. Not putting up with the "letting time go by" stuff---calling and e-mailing her every day. So I figure she'll either just take advantage of it, start opening her eyes and realizing it may not be wise to lose me (we Aries are SO modest!), or she'll take off for whatever reason. The ol' "do your thing or get off the pot." HERE's where it gets weird:

Yes, we're having more and more conversations and getting to know each other even more on the surface level, and I think she's pretty convinced I'm one of the best friends she'll ever have. We truly seem to enjoy each other's company. So here's what she does:

A girl at her office was fired with no previous indication of doing a bad job, no previous reprimands, nada. Libra Girl calls her and gets as much of the story as possible then decides since their boss is suppose to be Christian, she's upset he didn't do the Christian thing. So my Lovely Libra Girl decides she's going to confront him with a load of scripture (Bible quotes and references) to tell him he did the wrong un-Christian-like thing. She's NEVER behaved like this before and has been a casual church goer but this appears more like going off the deep end. She stayed up all night researching appropriate scripture and is setting up an appointment to see him. Wow.

Well, seeing THIS side of her can sure explain a lot of the lack of being romantically interested, IMO. Looking forward to seeing your opinions on this. 'Caught me off guard and now, once again, I'm in Pondering Mode regarding this girl.


p.s. Aside from that, just so you know, one of the posters mentioned that when he typed a certain word, the Board would translate it "butter." You should have seen the word I got when I typed in butter!

p.p.s. Tried "margarine" too. Not the same.

p.p.s. Tried "margarine" too. Not the same.

p.p.s. Tried "margarine" too. Not the same.

kg, I know nothing about the dismissal. I actually worked w/ the employee for a few years and I thought she did a GREAT job! For that reason I think there may be more reason than stated----and the rumour is she's being transferred to another franchise office----weird again. They may be transferring her because she's a better fit there OR they figured out she can sue their tails off for the way things were handled. Meanwhile, I have a Bible thumper on my hands. And my experience is that THIS approach in confronting someone almost always backfires. Libra Girl may lose HER job!

* Well, seeing THIS side of her can sure explain a lot of the lack of being romantically interested, IMO.

I don't see how they are connected honey. I would do something like that and HAVE because it is the right thing to do. Libra is the sign of justice. We champion for the underdog especially ones that can't speak for themselves. It doesn't mean she is fanatically religious, it means she built an argument that would appeal to his sense of morality. It is smart not religious.

* And my experience is that THIS approach in confronting someone almost always backfires. Libra Girl may lose HER job!

So?

I have taken on entire rooms. I have taken on management before and risked everything because, imo, it was the right thing to do.

Libras are justice fighters. As I joke with my Aries partner, "I am a fighter baby. Not a lover."

Libra woman is the humanitarian of the zodiac. Being fired, losing lovers, friends, really is of little consequence when our sense of injustice is triggered.

I don't think she is particularly religious. I really think she was using his beliefs and appeal to his morality.

I am not religious and have done similar things. It is about talking to people on a level that reaches them. Plus, I don't know a libra that doesn't like to research things.

OMG Atom, this is soooo insightful behavior for me. AT least from a guys standpoint.

You make a decision to show this woman you have affection for her with all this extra attention ****I made up my mind to go all out ('don't like stalemates) so I've LAVISHED her with gifts, attention, dinners, entertainment, you-name-it. Not putting up with the "letting time go by" stuff---calling and e-mailing her every day. So I figure she'll either just take advantage of it, start opening her eyes and realizing it may not be wise to lose me**** and then ..............(drum roll please)...... you freak out because she is willing to stand up for her own principals and morals? I say KUDOS to your girlfriend dude.

Her boss apparently is a hypocrite and if she (or someone in that office) doesn't confront him about his actions and the way he handled the situation... who is to say he isn't going to do the same to her or anyone else in the office next? I wouldn't want to be worrying about my job or performance with that kind of an office policy hanging over my head.No sir! Her friendship and loyalty could be one of the motivating factors for her to stand up to her boss but I wouldn't tolerate the conduct either especially if someone lost their job. Job or no job...I'd be speaking up for my principals and values too and if this guy is that much of a hypocrite then he needs to be held accountable for his actions AND his words.

But,.....onto the good stuff. I'm fascinated at this scenario in general. ie: You look at your gf's courage to stand up for another person (but probably did it more for herself) as something to freak out about and let me guess, while you're in the "pondering mode" you're going to pull away from her for awhile to continue "pondering" ? In doing that, the attention, gift giving, nice dinners, & coziness you were feeling will abruptly stop for her while you're off "pondering" and she'll have no CLUE why or what you're off distancing yourself about.

So now she'll be left with wondering WTF happened. You're doing all this nice stuff and all this attention and then BAM!! you just stop it because you don't understand her behavior or motivation behind it.

This is such an eye opener for me. To see this situation from a guy's side and your reaction to something that SEEMS so obvious from your gf's perspective. Yet, you obviously see it is disturbing. That may not be the answer you're looking for but I wanted to tell you i saw something else ther

*****I don't think she is particularly religious. I really think she was using his beliefs and appeal to his morality.*** Totally on the MARK, LS !!!

Great responses! LS and I tend to tangle once in awhile. So it won't hurt to let her know that putting justice before people is a fascinating approach in general. For Libra Girl to be "triggered" by this event is fascinating to me---especially since she's is always talking about not having time to do what she needs to do (er, this takes MORE of her time!). My point of few as far as her interest in being romantic or not is that I find CONSERVATIVE Christians are usually PARANOID about getting into a romantic relationship (and certainly not sex before marriage)---so IMO, LS, this is a part of that "package" displayed in this self-righteous behavior.

And, temple, yes, it is WISE to ponder when things suddenly shift or are unexplained. Did I say I would no longer "pull out the stops?" No. I'll continue to do that because I GENUINELY enjoy her company and I'm sure I'll discover MORE things about her and the results of her confrontation.

To both LS and temple: Is it our ROLE to confront the employer in this situation? Our Libras even concerned one bit about THEIR behavior in this situation? If I were the boss I would think it rather strange that another employee would take matters into their own hands FOR a confrontation----especially since the dismissal is none of her business---except in how it affects Libra Girl directly, which it doesn't in this case. EVEN IF it did, is this the best approach? Frankly, I'm surprised you both automatically agree with her decision to approach her employer.

LS is right on point.

Justice and ideals are the name of the game. According to this guys own ideals he is a hyporcrite, his hypocracy had the effect of greatly negatively affecting someone elses life. We don't like this, ok, we hate this and will take on this kind of situation full force.

That is what she is doing, she probably isn't staunchly religious, but she is going in to battle this guy with his own sword. That is the way we do things when someone is contradicting themselves at the expense of other people. She isn't going to just prove a point, she is going to defeat him on his own ground.

That is why she is so motivated.

Like LS, myself and probably every other Libra has risked their own job or another important part of their life to confront and correct a similar type of situation before. We don't do well with injustice or even simple unfairness if someone doesn't have the tact and grace to avoid it, we will give them a hand weather they like it or not.

Nico, I'm not a Libra but I too (obviously) will stand up and fight or be a voice against injustice or unfairness anytime.

Right on Nic.

Injustice, unfairness,hypocrisy...this man thought very little about how his leadership affects the people who work for him. Now, he's apparently about to find out. It isn't a role to take on. It's about standing up for what you believe in because ultimately it does affect you in some way.

Just reading this thread is making me incensed. lol!

If we don't stand up to those who abuse power, who will?

I just can't relate to you Atom. I just can't.

Standing up to those in power and risking everything takes courage. Real courage. It is a selfless act. She *IS* putting someone else first. The person who was fired without notification or justification.

I don't even get where you are coming from. Are you just pissed that it isn't you?

You help those in need. You just do. Even if it is terrifying and may put your own life in danger. That is courage. That is moral action.

When someone is abusing power do you just burry your head in the sand and assume it is justified or are you the lone voice in the crowd demanding answers?

We are all we have in this life. We are all here to help each other. If we don't look out for each other ..... who will?

Thank you LS!!

* Is it our ROLE to confront the employer in this situation?

ABSOLUTELY. It is our role to confront ANYONE who abuses their power be it a politican, teacher, employer, doctor, professor, church leader, who ever to question and educate ourselves. It is our job to look after each other.

* Our Libras even concerned one bit about THEIR behavior in this situation?

It is terrifying to risk yourself for others. But you DO IT because it is the right thing to do. I can't explain it beyond that.

LS, it surprises me that you would think you can't relate AT ALL to me because I find you very intelligent in your communication and arguments. I'm just being honest when I tell you I don't understand where that righteous indignation comes from and why anyone wold assume it's their ROLE to right all the wrongs of injustice---if that's the case I guess my little Libra Girl is going to be quite busy from now on---there is so much injustice.

It seems that one of the arguments is that I haven't handled this situation in the same way. Heck, the minute I heard about it, I thought of how I could get the dismissed employee another job (THAT was the major issue to me). And it's my experience that when you CONFRONT someone on religious terms it will just blow up in your face. Do you agree with me on that OR have you actually had a big confrontation that reversed it self?

And the other issue is just this new side and behavior of Libra Girl. I can understand, LS, when you say it may not be all religious base and it seems that you are saying Libra Girl studied this out---in one day—? To me, it appears that someone I care about and have know now for over two years, who never did ANYTHNG like this before, all of a sudden decided to be a Jehovah's Witness and start knocking on doors or became a Mormon to get on her bicycle and go on missionary trips---THAT extreme! (BTW, I don't mean to offend ANYONE in any way regarding those comments---'just making a point).

The BUSINESS WORLD is different than family and friends. I think kg touched on that and may have experience in that.

'Seems to me also that NO ONE is taking into consideration how the employer would feel being confronted like that (I just think there are better ways). I'm surprised at the consensus that this is automatically the right thing to do.

Maybe my Libran friends can give me some insight because most of the time it seems you folks sit back for a LONG TIME and think about things before acting. Is this just one of those rare times that the injustice part seems so bad a Libran would have to confront it now? (I'm trying to understand).

***Seems to me also that NO ONE is taking into consideration how the employer would feel being confronted like that (I just think there are better ways). I'm surprised at the consensus that this is automatically the right thing to do.***

I have taken into consideration how the employer might feel. I hope that he feels badly and when addressed would be responsible enough to take ownership for his mistake!!!!

BTW: I am self employed. And I can tell you that if any one of my employees brought to my attention something that they thought (individually or as a group) was wrong with what I did or the way I handled something that had an impact on their moral I would definitely want to talk about it and have it brought to my attention and I would certainly try to remedy and resolve their concerns. I happen to value each and every one of my employees. Dismissing someone without due process (ie: warning or counseling behavior)wouldn't happen within my organization.

What "appears" to be unfair and an injustice may be something NOT known to the rest of the employees. (something that might warrant immediate grounds for dismissal: like for instance stealing) If this isn't the situation and there isn't a justification for the actions of the employer....he/she should should be confronted in hopes to Stop repeat injustices. Doing nothing just condones the behavior.

How can you NOT want to do something or say something to him/her about it??

kg, so eloquent. Very nice. Thank you.

lol this is funny...even I would do the same she did/is going to do if i know i am right. (I have a few..about 4 libras in my chart, if that has anything to do with it)

i think she knows, what she's doing and and is not likely to go to the employers office and slap the bible verses on his face, i think she will just gently land the plane. She is just speaking for the girl who was let go because she is sure the girl has every right to ask for grounds as to why she was kicked out..and her libran scales was aroused...

finding a bible verse to make someone understand something doesn't always imply the person is religious and even if she is it doesn't have anything to do with her not wanting to be in a relationship because I don't know a religion who forbids its followers to be in a relationship...lol

and...making a boss understand something does not always end up in "your fired!" 😉 it depends on how she delivers it..after all she polly weighed in her head the possible reactions & consequences.

the weird thing is i see nothing weird about this..🙂

peace corps ..V.

Atom, I honestly agree with LS on the points of justice and librans. They will definitely defend the underdog...

However, I am baffled thatg you are still doing alll of these things for Libra girl and still waiting to see if she will ever gain any romantic feelings for you. 😢

Baffles me too, QS---not that I'm not keeping my options open.

They can be very religious and totally devoted to their religion , almost one sided! My ex and I broke up because I'm not following his and I believe there isnt one God but many and I'd like to have more time to explore the world of religion before I decided while he kept pushing me to make up my mind .

Of course there is injustice in the world! If you do nothing, you are just as guilty as the perpetrators.

Can any one person fix all the world's problems? No. But find at least one cause you believe in and do something about it.

* i think she knows, what she's doing and and is not likely to go to the employers office and slap the bible verses on his face, i think she will just gently land the plane. She is just speaking for the girl who was let go because she is sure the girl has every right to ask for grounds as to why she was kicked out..and her libran scales was aroused...

* finding a bible verse to make someone understand something doesn't always imply the person is religious and even if she is it doesn't have anything to do with her not wanting to be in a relationship

Agreed.

If he is religious conservative, it could keep her away. Because if she isn't they aren't compatible and don't share the same values.

* it depends on how she delivers it..after all she polly weighed in her head the possible reactions & consequences.

* the weird thing is i see nothing weird about this..

Me too!

I don't believe in blind obediance though. I believe we should question. Perhaps when the boss gives her the reason and explains it to her she will back down.

***Baffles me too, QS---not that I'm not keeping my options open.***

Just remember if you are putting all of your energy into her, there won't be any left for "Miss Right" when she comes along and you might not even notice. Just watching your back... (((hugs)))

Atom see this girl here? Freesest nation in the world man - me and her we trine naturally 5-9 Gemini - Libra vibrational aura, .. now besides this she has the more encumbered and obligated sign not me I don't give a fuck, don't give a damn what my parents think, your parents think, what people think - I do what I wanna do and get what I wanna get.

As you will notice just by looking at her she is purely Libran - can you imagine what it would be like to try to relate to her on a more.. intimate level? Can you imagine that? In the freest nation in the world she wears that thing around her head. Talk about weirdness.

"The only thing necissary for evil to prevail is for good men (or women 😉 ) to do nothing"

That pretty much sums it up right there. It is EVERYONES responsibility to deal with injustice. If you can not understand this about her, this basic first principle when it comes to social responsibility.....then you have a deep compatibility issue. Atom, your argument while reasonable is moot. She simply does not see things the way you do...she has likely considered your perspective I am sure and she chose hers. Either encourage her and give her a hand or get out of her way.

I have been in her situation before, sometimes it ended favorably, sometimes it didin't and every time I remember that someone tried to talk me out of it for my security and well being I brushed them off....that is why I told it to you like I did in the previous post. She made a decision to handle a stituation a cirtain way....she isn't really looking for yours or anyone elses input unless it is going to support her decision. Judging by your description of the situation I would probably handle it a bit differently but I would still handle it and that is the point.

Libras really only learn to pick their battles in the end, what is worth the possiblity of falling on their own sword for and what isn't...once we decide to take offense in a situation like this your either with or against us...there is no real in between. She decided this is something worth that risk. Libras never un-learn the impulse to confront those whom subject others unfairly. Just when and how to handle it.

Well said Nic. I 100% agree.

* "The only thing necissary for evil to prevail is for good men (or women ) to do nothing"

This seems so basic to me I can comprehend looking at it any other way. It baffles me.

* If you can not understand this about her, this basic first principle when it comes to social responsibility.....then you have a deep compatibility issue. Atom, your argument while reasonable is moot. She simply does not see things the way you do...she has likely considered your perspective I am sure and she chose hers.

Yes. This.

This may be the very incompatibility that she has seen from the beginning that has removed her heart from the equasion long ago.

Personally, I could never be with someone who did understand me or believe in doing this as well. It is the very base of who I am.

Exactly LS.

This is something that anyone with a Libra has to understand about them. I think she probably saw this compatibility issue early on as well and as important as it is to Libras ESPECIALLY the the fairer sex, it could very well be a deal breaker. Before we even started dating, when we were mutual friends my girlfriend saw me handle issues in a principled manner and I think this was a great source of the attraction. She saw me act on principle over my own safety and security and this is very appealing to Libra women. I have seen her do the same. What some would see as coldness in the way she has handled some things I see as strength and the ability to seperate emotion from fact.

We don't have the same principles on everything but I APPRECIATE those of hers that differ from mine and she can sense that when I question her on some of these things I am doing it to gain a clearer understanding, not point out flaws or convince her of a reasonable alternate veiwpoint. Simply doing so undermines that persons very character and intelligence. I can tell her I don't agree however I understand and support. You have to genuinely value the way she does things. Some of us are more dilligent in acting on principles and write and wrong....this friend of yours sounds of the more dilligent like LS by this and everything else you have said about her. I would take LS's perspective on these situations very seriously.

---* "The only thing necissary for evil to prevail is for good men (or women ) to do nothing"

This seems so basic to me I can comprehend looking at it any other way. It baffles me.---

Me too. Me too. I think the only reason I exute the effort to explain it any more is that not doing so would go agains the heart of the matter itself. Otherwise I can't comprehend it not being self evident and self explanitory.

"the only thing necissary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing"
AND
"There are no victims in life, only volunteers"
are two quotes that if I think everyone convicted themselves to the ideals they articulate the world would be unfathomably better off. Personal responsibility and accountability. What happened to it LS?

hello?

People sold out to comfort Nic.

That rather put up with anything than be uncomfortable. That rather be blind than confront an uncomfortable sight.

Thanks for your kind words. They mean a lot to me. I doubt they will be heeded as you know, I am out to get everyone. lol!

Thanks 🙂

* That rather put up with anything than be uncomfortable. That rather be blind than confront an uncomfortable sight.

THEY rather put up with anything than be uncomfortable. THEY rather be blind than open their eyes to confront an uncomfortable sight.

One of these days I will proof read. PROMISE. LOL!

Personally, I am wondering what happened to community. What happened to looking out and after each other.

Fear and discomfort have driven a wedge between all of us. I hope we all get over it and stop looking out for number 1 but start looking out for everyone.

Mr. Aries see what I'm talking about? so what if your inner self if Fire? - ever heard of tornados? hurricanes? storms? and I don't remember the rest.

or is it 'tornadoes'? lol

'innerself is Fire' damn.

"Personally, I am wondering what happened to community. What happened to looking out and after each other. "

YES!!!!! If everyone took it as their moral responsibility to look after the condition of those around them Atom's friend wouldn't even be in the situation she is.

BINGO!

Imagine if government, corporations, hospitals, schools were socially responsible. IMAGINE!

I HAVE to get back to my deadline. lol!

No more procrastinating for me.

Litte Sparrow you can always have the option of calling the cops if you were sensing a danger of some sort right? You don't need you neighbours to be peeking into your shower room window while you are taking a shower or .. while you are taking a dump lol.

Please go and read this thread from the top. That isn't what we are talking about.

"Litte Sparrow you can always have the option of calling the cops if you were sensing a danger of some sort right? You don't need you neighbours to be peeking into your shower room window while you are taking a shower or .. while you are taking a dump lol."

"Please go and read this thread from the top. That isn't what we are talking about."

True, but not entirely off topic. If we policed ourselves, and those we are closely involved with and took their actions and our own as our responsibility then we wouldn't have to DEPEND on Police (AKA government oversight) nearly as much. Not that police are bad, beind dependant on a third party for the security, safety, and general well being of ourselves and those we love IS INHERANTLY BAD. No one has to peak in any windows, that is a bit extreme unless there is evidence to support what is going on behind those windows is harmful to others. Imagine if your neighbor having a party next door is keeping you up and you walk over, knock on the door and clearly but respectfuly insist they turn down the music instead of just calling the Policy and filing a noise complaint and requesting an officer; how that would not only GAIN the respect of your neighbor but also inspire them to take consideration for you in the future?

If your not willing to do something on your own, it probably isn't worth someone elses time either. Imagine how much less of our money would have to go to cirtain government services if we all took the responsibility of our own safety, education, prosperity and general well being?

* Imagine how much less of our money would have to go to cirtain government services if we all took the responsibility of our own safety, education, prosperity and general well being?

and if we all just looked after each other, considerate of each other, and took care of each other.

I think people get away with a lot because people are too afraid to hold others accountable.

My partner really won my respect when he told a bunch of people at a BBQ that they he disagreed with them and why. It was very ethical and moral. I truly respect that.

* Imagine how much less of our money would have to go to cirtain government services if we all took the responsibility of our own safety, education, prosperity and general well being?

I am a bit of a socialist and believe in looking after everyone not just "number one" so I see government services as necessities to even the playing field for those who need it.

a bit of a socialist MAY be a understatement. lol!