Artificial Insemination

What are your thoughts on it? Do you think it is immoral? Do you think it's unfair to the child who results from it? Do you think the father should have any rights to the child, post-insemination? Does anyone know how much it costs? Does the whole entire idea of it freak you out?

I don't see any problem with it exactly, only with the people who chose to become involved in it because they can't seem to agree on such things as rights to the child and so on. It's stupid, they should agree on this before the process, make them agree then make them sign a contract that can't be broken... Stupid unreasonable emotional people.

I, by the way, never ever ever ever want to have children.

Interesting. I agree that the parents often treetrunk things up in those situations. I think if you're too fragile to handle the whole situation as it is with its rules to begin with, you shouldn't do it.

I am however coming from the opposite side of the fence as far as having children. I am so incredibly fascinated with the idea of creating a human being and teaching them and all that. Not in a soccer-mom, barefoot and pregnant kind of way though. I'm looking at it more from a philosophical point of view, sort of an opportunity to change the world sort of thing. Which probably makes no sense to anyone but me.

I think we should make our own deposits. If you are going raise childern its best with two roll modles. the child can see the best and the worst in you and his father.

I don't believe it to be a good thing...it's not really immoral it's more a question of facing the facts of your life...by that I mean...

Look if you can't have a baby naturally...what do you think that means...Ummm, trick question...—

I don't believe it to be unfair on the child at all...as I believe you choose your life before entering it...it always makes me laugh to the depths of my stomache when people throw silly little tantrums and shout at their parents saying stupid things like...Oh, I didn't choose to be born you know...?

People play far to much God in this world, cut corners and lie to themselves. If your bank account doesn't have money in it you can't buy what you want can you...?
What the hell goes through peoples minds to think that because they can't concieve naturally that they are still entitled to bare children...—

As for the faters rights...it takes sperm AND an egg to concieve so yes the father should have just as many rights to the baby as the mother. What kind of pathetic mentality would really believe they have rights to another persons life anyway...?

Hmmm...silly question when you're asking about people who believe it right to shop around and concieve babies outside of the body...isn't it...!!!

good points

Who said anything about being artificially inseminated because you physically cannot have a baby? I was actually thinking of the women who do it because they cannot find a man decent and fatherly enough in their everyday lives to impregnate them.


"As for the faters rights...it takes sperm AND an egg to concieve so yes the father should have just as many rights to the baby as the mother. What kind of pathetic mentality would really believe they have rights to another persons life anyway...?"

So who is held responsible for a young child? Someone has to be held responsible financially and emotionally for each and every child born on the planet. I don't get it, you think that all children should just fend for themselves with no parents whatsoever?

And did you know that in most cases of artificial insemination the sperm donor has to sign all kinds of paperwork and agree to the terms of a binding contract that he is strictly a sperm donor and has no rights to the child that may result from his sperm?

I still say I would only donate in person.

Oh, definitely. That would always be the ideal situation. Donate. lol.

Hmmm, this makes me wonder, what are your points of view on abortion? I'd like to hear everyone elses before I share my own.

I could never have one myself, just because the idea of doing it at this point in my life when I know I could handle and take care of a child bothers me. And the reason I know I couldn't is because when I was seventeen I took what's called "the morning after pill" (I think it's officially called RU-486 or something like that--some people call it the abortion pill, which is ignorant and ridiculous), and it was a terrible experience. Basically it induces your cycle to start prematurely to ensure that any *possible* fertilization that might have taken place cannot develop into a fetus. I didn't actually want to take it, but I had experienced a contraceptive failure and in the light of day when passions had cooled and sobriety kicked in, I realized that I was not in any way ready or prepared to take care of a child. My friend took me to Planned Parenthood and they gave me the pill(s) (it's actually a series of pills you take over the course of a day or something). It make me very sick, to where I couldn't even get up out of bed, couldn't hold down food, couldn't do anything except sleep and throw up. Once I got past the sickness the emotional impact set in. Which I was not expecting at all. I thought about what could have been, that maybe I wasn't supposed to control these things, etc. I still think about it sometimes, but I'm alright with the reality of things now. I can't say I regret taking the pill, but I wouldn't do it again at this point or hereafter in my life. So it would be hypocritical of me to say that women shouldn't have choices about whether they give birth or not (after all, it does affect their helath and life forever as well as the child's, especially if the woman keeps the baby and doesn't really want it, which leads to neglect and abuse). I would say I believe it's wrong for a financially stable, able woman to have an abortion just because it wouldn't be convenient for her to keep the baby. But in the case of teenagers, women with severe health problems, lack of financial or emotional ability to care for a child--then I think they should make the choice that's right for them and their baby. A lot of women find it easier to have an abortion rather than have to give up their child for adoption. Adoption when done by people who don't really want to do it can be a very traumatic process for both the mother and the child.

*it MADE me very sick, is what that should say

I pretty much agree with what you said, phoenix. People in situations where the child would suffer as well as the parent should have the choice of abortion. There are too many children in this world who already are abused or neglected, we don't need to make more. What really annoys me is all the "pro life" people who don't seem to understand the circumstances the mother may be in. It's really annoying, but in front of my school, these people sometimes parade around with signs of dead bloody fetuses and say bad things about pro-choice. I don't have any idea where these people came from, they just started showing up and protesting during the times when students are leaving and entering school, so that they were sure to be seen. It really bothers me, because here they've got no clue what's going on in the lives of the girls at my school, but they feel that they need to impose their veiw points upon our lives. Makes me sick. They must be Christian Wacko Nuts with no sense of reality. Honestly now, women should have a right to choose, it's our body, after all, and our right to privacy. Not only that, but one must also consider that making abortian illigal wouldn't stop a lot of girls from doing it anyway, and that's dangerous and can result in the mother's death as well. It's just terrible and stupid. The reason why the government would be involve would be because the government wants to protect the health of the population, which makes perfect sense, but it would be a lot healthier of abortions continued to be legal and girls were able to get them at clean safe clinics instead of who knows where. I think people who stand around with bloody signs and preach to deaf ears would be spending their time more wisely trying to raise money or something to donate to needy children who are already here.

Pheonix...your heart is good and you are a passionate woman that much I can tell from your postings.

Please don't take offece at what I am about to say. I can also tell from your postings that you suffer from a Westernised 1st world cancer of believing there is a quick fix or cure for everyones problems without haveing to change the origion of the fault...which is ourselves. We are all guilty of this in todays automated, short cut, lazy wolrd...myself included.

Just because "YOU" can't find a man that pushes "YOUR" buttons for reasons of "YOUR" own, you now think it's ok to stick a tube inside yourself and "impregnate" yourself as you so elegantly put it...—

Look...I reckon you would make a great mother...I really do...but I repeat my origional point on this thread....

"...it's not really immoral it's more a question of facing the FACTS OF YOUR LIFE..."

The repusivness of men who donnate sperm makes my skin crawl...they're getting money for it Phoenix...they are only to happy to sign that document of "mans' law" that protects their dirty money gained from haveing to be spent on school and or bringing up a child...they don't want the responsibility or the nobility for that matter in giving life back to the world in the form of a child. All they want is their over-indulgent lives full of greed and ignorance just the way they are.

Of course a child should never be left to fend for itself, it should be raised by two parents who want it, love it and realise that they are in for some very rough times but which will be out weighed in unconcievable proportions by the single moments of love and kinship shared between their "FAMILY"...

Children learn from their family and how on earth do you expect a child to be properly raised by just it's "surrogate" mother...? Where will it learn to conduct itself and learn lessons that I do believe only it's father can give it...on the streets...in school...in the playground...? How is that ever raising a child that is yours and your husbands...the way it is ment to be...?

People need to look at life and realise things have an order. We as humans have desire, need and want, and in todays world and society we have used the power of our brains to bend what ever order and laws of nature we can to fool ourselves into a false sense or right and comfort by satisfying those needs, wants and desires by any means possible...mainly deception and false sense of pride and accomplishment.

Abortion...hmmm...this one is very tough and always raises it's head.

I beleieve what I believe in life because that is my faith and I believe a soul is only infused with a body at a certain age in it's foetal cycle. I cannot remember the exact time frames here but my point is that abortion is only a sin and regarded as murder when a soul's progress is hindered and as such abortion is fine if it is done a.s.a.p or before the soul inhabits that body, but once again we are talking prevention and not cure here...

Haveing said that I also believe we choose our lives before entering them so the notion that a child will suffer through it's life has no bareing here because lets face it, the child is not the issue here...it's the parents...it comes back to what I said above in that we always look for the quick fix in todays world to protect "OUR OWN" desires, wants and needs and the real issue with abortion is not about wether we are killing babies but the irrisponsibility of the parents isn't it...?

So what does that mean...?

It means the parents should realise that their desire to have sex carries with it the possibilty of child conception...now just because that may or may not happen does it mean the child should have to give up it's life in order that the parents continue...and if and when they do, have they learnt from it and will they do it again...?

I will admit I have no idea what it's like being a woman or anything about menstral cycles and such other than to know my girlfriends and how much it can affect her in life...but...

I don't believe it's the mothers choice alone...as I said there is an order to life...and that order is that woman bare children there is nothing we can change about that but it takes a woman AND a man to concieve a child so it should be that it is both their decision.

Bottom line is...we need to accept responisibility for our own actions as people and understand the full extent of our desires, not just that we want to satisfy them. Rape is the only aspect here that I am undecieded on...

Phoenix...you believe it's wrong for a finacially sound woman to abort a baby...hmmm...I would rather be born to the pporest loving mother than some rich person who wouldn't want me...wouldn't you...?

And Morgan...don't you think those whacky sign carriers would be better off looking at their own lives and sorting themselves out rather than raising charity for a cause that would inadvertantly indorse care free sex lives...—

I'd just like to clarify that the "Morning After" pill and RU-486 are not the same thing.

RU-486 is an abortion pill.

The morning after is basically what its name says. Its a birth control pill for after you have unprotected sex. It doesn't not abort anything. In fact you are not allowed to take it if you are pregnant, because it could cause birth defects. It is effective up to 3 days after the blessed event. It works like any other birth control pill out there.

So to wrap it up, RU-486 is da DEBEL! Morning After pill Good stuff!

Capricorn Guy

I have to leave for work soon so although I don't have time to respond to your posts right now durrie, rest assured that I will.

And cap guy, you're right because what I took was not calleds RU 486 like I thought (and we'll debate about that pill later), it was called Preven.

And did you have any thoughts on this subject?

Okay, nevermind, my boss called and I don't have to go in until later (yay).

Morgan, excellent post with very good points.

Durrie...I don't take offense to anything you said because I knew you would chime in on this one and I had a feeling you'd have all the opposite views of me. I do have to say one thing though FOR THE RECOR😱 I AM NOT INTERESTED IN BEING ARTIFICIALLY INSEMINATED. Where you got that I was, I don't know. I am perfectly capable of finding a good man in real life to father my children, thank you very much. However, not everyone is so lucky. Why should a woman be denied her chance to become a mother just because there is a shortage of good guys in the world and she's struck out on finding one decent enough to father her offspring? What if this woman was to be the mother of the next Mozart or Picasso or Einstein? Don't you think that all healthy and willing women should be allowed the opportunity to bring new life into this world?

You said, "Just because "YOU" can't find a man that pushes "YOUR" buttons for reasons of "YOUR" own, you now think it's ok to stick a tube inside yourself and "impregnate" yourself as you so elegantly put it...—"

Forgive me, but YES, I DO think it's okay (and I'll let the implication that I'm talking about myself go, since I've already clarified that I'm not)...but let's say that I was talking about myself. Why would wanting to bring life into the world make me a bad mother? Is it the method? You know, a lot of couples who have trouble concieving, and even ones that don't, they will use (and sorry about the crass nature of what I'm about to say, but it's true) a turkey baster to ensure pregnancy. Do you have a problem with that? We're talking about people who so very much WANT and desire children, that they will go to these lengths to try to have them. Does this make them bad people?

Now, this point rings true to some degree (however, I don't think that ALL men who donate sperm are this way...I just refuse to believe that all of them could be that slimy)...

"The repusivness of men who donnate sperm makes my skin crawl...they're getting money for it Phoenix...they are only to happy to sign that document of "mans' law" that protects their dirty money gained from haveing to be spent on school and or bringing up a child...they don't want the responsibility or the nobility for that matter in giving life back to the world in the form of a child. All they want is their over-indulgent lives full of greed and ignorance just the way they are."

Durrie, maybe these men just wanted to do something nice for someone who really wants a child. Women carry the babies inside of them for 9 to 10 months, and we give birth to them. But without sperm, none of this could happen. Maybe some men realize that there are deserving women and potential lives out there that they could create. Maybe some of these sperm donating men can't themselves find a good woman in their everyday lives.

And by the way, how do you feel about single mothers?

Cortica I'm curious what your thoughts are too. Not that you have to give them, everyone knows that abortion and artificial insemination are about the most heated topics ever....lol

okay first artfical insimation. odd and sort of wried. i mean how do u explain that to the child oh, u just have a father that gave his sperm at some bank. But no dad. But if u were married or pretty much thrir that would be okay. so the child has a father fiqurie. Imporant.

Abortion. realy disuqiting actually. if the person doesn't wnat the child due to rape. okay for any thing else. have the child and give it up for adption and keep trak of ur baby.

single mothers, are poor beings. from childern to abusive husbands. a rare and good kind. it's hard but if u can do it. but a good and kind father fiqure, agian is needed.

Opinons on interlmariage dating and childern?

I see nothing wrong with living together and having a child "out of wedlock". It's archaic to believe that being married is somehow inherently better for a child than having two loving parents who happen to not have cleared their relationship as valid with the government. My parents didn't get married until I was four years old yet they provided me with a stability that many children whose parents were married did not have. My mother when pregnant was single a few times before I was born. My parents made sure they were ready for it when they got married. They are still married to this day.

Your thought on abortion, should that say "disquieting" or "disgusting?" Just curious.

woops, were you talking about interracial dating and children? lol, I may have thought you were talking about something else...

Hey there Phoenix...hehe...your passion fuels your giant heart yet again and as I said you would make a great mother and wife I'm sure but I never suggested you had the operation done nor that you were incapable of finding a husband. You raised the point so I merely used you and your name as a substitute for who ever may have had the operation done...but you aren't getting my point here at all...

My point is this...

People are far to obsessed with things in life that they shouldn't be, which leads them into pointless endevours breeding hurt and pain in the event of faliure and a false sense of achievement in the case of success.

If the grace of God has dictated that your body in this life cannot bare a child why should you kid yourself into thinking you can use mans' science to cheat omnipotent ruling...or worse than that degrade yourself to the point of sticking chitchen utensils inside of yourself...for what...? If that is the degree of desperation people go to when essentially the process should not only be great fun, easy as pie and a bonding process between a man and a woman then I'm sorry but they don't even get my pity...let alone deserve it...?

The key to the question is in the topic itself...that's why they call it "ARTIFICIAL"...who would want to be an artificial baby anyway...—

You see my belief is that we are all on this earth for reasons we have set out for ourselves prior to our conception and birth into this life in accordance with our souls progression and the key to life is finding those reasons and goals on our own terms as Durrie or Phoenix, by listening to our heart, soul and true passions that give rise to our individula tallents...how else do you explain Tiger Woods shooting par around an 18 hole full size golf course before most people could even spell golf course...?

It baffles my mind and worries my heart to see people pouring their money time and effort into things in their life that are just not ment to be, inadvertantly cheating themselves out of life and it's true meaning...and that is why I find it halarious when you say some women can't find a decent men in their lives.

A) they either are looking in the wrong place which means they are the problem not the men or...
B) they are to worried about how either they themselves or their partner "SHOULD" looks, act or be instead of just being themselves or...
C) maybe they wen't ment to marry at all...maybe they were ment to live a life of constant travel and be a midwife to the planned mother of the next Einstein, Mozart or Picasso...

Take Morgan for example...she for all intents and purposes as we know her is a beautiful woman of this world with every chance at haveing a child...but her choice and rightly so is never to bare children...that is her self confessed choice and rightly so...how do you explain that...what if she meets a man who loves her to bits and would marry her and be a great husband...what if he wants children...? Now how do you address that imbalance...?

Hmmm...all these maybe's.
Speculation leaves the door wide open Phoenix...great people were born just as you and I...a child to a mother and father on a date in the time line of earth because they and we just were...life IS that simple...when they were born neither they nor their parents knew their future but they themselves had enough faith in themselves and their lives to follow their inner voice and feelings to greatness...AS ANY OF US CAN...but only when we stop chasing rediculous pasions, desires and wants and look at our lives for what we want them to be and not what we can do to cheat our already delt God given hand into something we "THINK" we want out of them.

I do not bleave in an afterlife so I think every one should get a shot at whats here. I know however you can not legislate morality. I do beleave in capital punishment. The world acording to James Tate

I think, just for the record and in responce to Durrie: that too much soul searching may result in suicide.

So James...you say you don't believe in an afterlife? If that is so, I think it's logical to take that further and say you believe you will just die and your body decompose and that's it...!

If that is so...why not just do what you want in life. Steal, be self absorbed, do everything you can to make yourself happy regardless of what that would take...because if there's nothing to worry about after you die why would you worry...?

I think you'll agree that it would make you feel a worse person, you'd feel guilty wouldn't you...after all you said yourself that you believe in capital punishment so you do realise that there is an order to life of some sort don't you...but mans law if flawed...mans law protects the criminal as well as the innocent...it locks up innocent people and sets criminals free all the time...you know it and I know it but worse than that we accept it...!

You see...that feeling, that ingrained, innate sense of right and wrong...that is the piece of God in all of us that we associate with wether we're black, white, thin or fat...a believer or not...

Morgan...you're looking in the wrong places...?

Durrie, do you believe that there are any people out there who may not possess an innate sense of right and wrong? People with mental illnesses, emotional disturbances, that sort of thing...? I'm just wondering what you think about those people. Is god not a part of them too? Or is satan? Your opinion?

I think if there ever was a god, man killed him long ago. I do believe in an afterlife, but I'd say that the physical life is ruled by the laws of man, and that's just the way it is. There are lots of men who want it to be ruled by the laws of God, but it's just their personal interpretation of what the laws of God are, so they too wind up being the laws of man. And all that leads to is disagreement and fighting over which is the right interpretation. I think this is the best that we imperfect mortals can hope for in this life, is a good interpretation, but honestly, devine intervention to give us poor folk a just code of laws which will be universally followed is not going to happen. It's probably better for the whole world if everyone kept their religious beliefes to themselves, and lived in peace under the accepted and MODERATED laws of man. All mankind do, I believe, have certain morals and values in common, and I don't necessarly believe that this is because God told them too. I think mankind has the ability to create justice without divine intervention, it's just going to take a lot of time, commitment, and patience.

i feel their is a god but to what extent.... i do not know. i feel that is disgusting was the word. and the choices are imporant. but that maybe we are just a speed up spicies. ever read a book about we being muaplated to grow by alieans. i'll have to rember later. God's of the Cahroits or somthing like that a german author. it's great. i think it's very true and thought proking. think about to many alien and other wried supernatural shows stories and true confessions are rising day by day for acceptence or just to much media?
Pick and choose?

Durrie
with out the rule of law there would be no order. man must have rules to live by. Just look what is happening in the world, because of the different gods. or as margon put it the different intertaptation of what they think the rules are. Take your god out of the picture and things start to make sence

Firstly to Phoenix...NONE, what so ever.
As I said...my belief is that you choose your life before entering it and things like illness are consequences of past sins...such is the law of Karma...which is God's law NOT mans law and hence we will never escape it's affects which essentially is to heal and purify us anyways.

We all have that sense as it is actually what we are. That which is us and is essentially a piece of God that lives within us giveing our otherwise useless human bodies life we call our soul. We will never realise God and what we essentially are until we realise that we are essentially a soul who's actual life goal is to move through and live past this physical world of pain, illness, worry, doubt, and fear as these are things that we only experiance as humans on earth which "essentially" we are NOT.

Morgan...you have no concept of God and that is why you battle to feel and see God. To "think" that a man can kill God is rediculous...God is the top of the "food chain" so to speak. What power do you believe you, I or any other man has that God does not, or is powerful enough to kill him...?

How do you kill a God...shoot him, stab him, run him over with your car...Ha...? God is the reason you have life, God is the reason those things and all things are possible here on this plain...God exists every and anywhere so the only way to kill him is to kill and remove everything ever from existance...!!!

Morgan I fear you say "I think" far to much...like you said "I think" man killed God in your reply. God is about faith and that faith means you "Believe" and live accordingly...once you believe you do not "think" anymore because you BELIEVE God's word to be your law. "think" however does mean speculation or work in progress so keep thinking and you will one day realise...bit by bit with accordance to your will...things will slowly peice together.

And lastly in reply to you James.

Much in the same way I explained to Morgan that the only way to kill God would be to kill or destroy everything ever in creation above and beyond this world we live in, now I hope you see why I cannot just remove God from the picture and things will make sense as you say...? No God...no creation...no nothing...so what's that gonna help...?

You see that is exactly the problem with all this voilence and fighting between religions I agree...but not because they can't or should forget about or remove their God...but because they do as you say and make up their own interpretations of his word leading to false worship of false Gods. No man who believes in God can remove God from the picture otherwise there is no point to that mans life...

Man MUST realise what he is before he can realise God. He must acknowledge his true self...his soul. To speak of us as humans is to speak of gender, race, colour and other WORLDLY things that will always bring us against each other as the history books tell us has been the case since we learnt to record and write events down.

Just look at mans relations within the same religion...man and woman have been on an eternal battle for equality in this world and still we will all agree I'm sure that they are not equal even in western worlds which are ment to be the leaders...the 1st world countries...Ha...!!!
Man needs to stop segmenting himself...oh I'm a man, or oh I'm a woman, or oh I'm american, or oh I'm english...bullsh1t...you're a soul who's lesson is to be either an american man/woman or an english man/woman...etc.

You see I believe all these religions are on about the same God and the same thing however they are falling into the trap of believeing their human minds to much...so the answer is not to remove God but to realise who "I" am in order to serve the 1 TRUE God...

People "think"...Oh, I'm Isreli...I must do x, y or Z in acordance to God's law.

Other people "think"...Oh, I'm Palestinian...I

you can put a quide on one thing if james tate were god there would be very few humans left one quick blow.

What would that then make you God of James...—

What kind of God has no subjects...what has he that is so great then...and indeed why would we even be haveing this discussion...?

there is a very fine line between being religious and mental illness.

lol...

The thing is, durrie, I really value my ability to think.

"That which is us and is essentially a piece of God that lives within us giveing our otherwise useless human bodies life we call our soul"

What if there's no such thing as god? What if we don't have souls? What then? I'd think it was really funny if at the end of the world, all the religious people in the world woke up and realized there is no god. I'd laugh.

And anyway, I couldn't care less about if there's a god or not. I don't care what anyone's personal beliefes are. That's just the end of it. Decisions should be based upon secure logic. That's it. Everyone's entitled to their own beliefs, in fact, they should have them, it's good to have them. But really, the world should not be run on thoughtlessness, if that's what your deffinition of faith is.

And anyway, I don't really believe that God, if there is a God, created humans. I think it is humans who create God by their faith. So if you have alot of dispicable senseless people killing eachother over small differences, I personally find that destroying faith in mankind, so I say, you kill God.

Freebird posted a great piece about "attitude" on the Cap board I think...under Adulthood. Attitude may not sound like much to the average person but attitude has a lot to do with life in my opinion because attitude is a universal langauge spoken and understood by all.

You see attitude is something we can pick up and understand in others regardless of creed, race, colour or what ever else we foolishly label ourselves as in the human realm.

Lets say you meet a Chinese man and unless you speak chinese you don't understand a word he is saying but by watching him interact with others and life around him your natural instinct and sense of life that eminates from whithin you yourself will get a gut feeling...an instinct...a sense of right or wrong and all because of you observing his attitude to life around him.

But what is more pertinant and the whole key is "OUR OWN" attitude. Our own attitude will affect our viewpoint and if your attitude is negatively inclined which can only be through you OWN CHOICE then our viewpoint of that man can be tainted and horribly wrong all because of the eye's we choose to see life through...

Civilisation holds the hand of science in their foolish quest to define everything in black and white putting things into boxes...it even further segments those boxes in classes or what ever else it likes to justify to itself and as a result what do we have...a world full of people who function and live by the EXACT same set of rules and NATURAL LAW but who are brainwashed via "civilisation" and science into BELIEVING they are seperate and differant from other humans beings because they come from a differant part of the world, speak a differant langauge, enjoy differant activities and sometimes look "physically" differant...Ha!

Individuality is something we as human beings do not understand in general. Science tells us that on a physical level we are all unique...definitively differant to any other human being in our DNA structure...well done science now what do you think that means...—

Western man thinks it means a better way to catch criminals...woo-hoo...more for the tax payer to pay for and yet a further intrusion of privacy. They see it as another way to class entities but worst and most psychotic of all it thinks it means it can do the impossile and make two of who you are...Oh my gosh...the level of self indulgence of an ego that believes there in nobility in that science fills my heart with inconcievable worry. This realm is a realm of mortal beings...that is the nature of physicality and life on earth...things are born and then die...you will NEVER escape that Law here...NEVER!!!

Here on earth we should be celebrating our differances from each other not condemming them. Our hole life we taught in our system to conform...conform...for what...so I can say I went through the system but learnt and gained nothing from it because it was never able to help me as an individual but Joe bloggs as the "NORM"...Ha!

It is only through celebrating our uniquness that we come to terms with ourselves and discover our own abilities. Once you become able within yourself you realise that you have only just scratched the surface...deep down below...the force and drive behind your human uniqueness is a common and unifyingly exactness you learn to be your true self...our soul...

So why then do we breed ego's and entrap our selves with societies' TV and magazines preaching this years fashion statements which we all crave to the point of fearing ridicule if we are the odd ones out and do not follow suit...?

Now comes the interesting part...I want anybody willing to post a reply to me and tell me what they believe my attitude to life as being...you must have formed an opinion of me through us talking and if you want me to reply and tell you my thought on your attitude just say so...?

Do not worry about hurting my feelings or how things will affect our standing...the point of this excercise id to better understand ourselves...that is the beauty of these boards...they join the minds of people who otherwise would never have the pleasure of conversing...

Together we are stronger through our uniquness...!!!

LOL, durrie, Gwen and I agree that your attitude is overly enthusiastic, somewhat longwinded, too religious, and slightly annoying.

As to my own attitude towards life, I like to think of myself as a cynic with a pitchfork, angrily guarding her small plot of grass against passers by.

To be honest durrie, to be perfectly honest, I get frustrated with trying to figure out exactly where you stand on many issues, because most of the time your posts are so intricate and long that they confuse me and I'm left thinking, "okay, so what exactly is his opinion??" I find them interesting, but overly philosophical when I wish you would just say what your opinion is concisely and clearly. I know that sounds harsh, but you wanted honesty.

To follow up a gripe with a stroke, I do believe your heart is large and that you are a caring individual. I also admire the strength of your convictions. It's just that I feel you are a little too passive and forgiving about certain things. Your posts are however interesting.

I just have one more thing (observation) to talk about. I notice that you rarely give advice to people about practical, mundane, everyday problems. You only seem to really come out when it's a deep philosophical discussion. This bothers me because I know that you have it in you to answer (and probably answer well) these more practical posts, it's just that you don't. I have always wondered why you don't share what you think about the "normal" situations, questions and problems people post about on a more frequent basis.

And just one more thing...I have always wished that you would try to relate to us all on a more human level. I don't mean that you're not human in your relations with us, what I mean is that you always seem to come around in an effort to "teach" us about things, like a prophet or a guru. Which is interesting, but I also wonder why you don't just come around more "on the level" and "hang out" like a friend would, more than a teacher or a spiritual guide.

I have a question that I hope someone is able to answer for me as I am very perplexed. Why must durrie change? Why is he not acceptable the way he is? I am going to take a guess here but I have a feeling that durrie is happy with who he is and he is expressing himself the only way that he knows how.

When we try to change someone there will be conflict because the other person wants to be accepted for who he is. When we voice our opinions about a persons behavior we are in so many words telling that person that he/she is not accepted by us and in order to be, he/she must change to fit our perception.

This is so very common with parents and kids. Think how your parents want to "change" you to be the model citizen, the "perfect" child and then you begin to develop feelings of unworthiness, not being good enough. If only our parents could just accept and love us for who we are! I have been there, I know that feeling. Yuck.

Every person is unique and brings their own personality to these boards....like that JT guy....what a sense of humor, right out of left field that guy is 🙂 This is the one and only JT. There is only one durrie, one Phoenix, one Morgan and so on and so on. Yes, each person is different and I think it is really neat once we begin to accept the differences in people. Not everyone wears the same eye glasses...all lens are different.

Personally, I have learned so much from each person because they are different. If we all thought the same here, this place would be BORING!

Okay, someone inspire me.....

Parallax, I have no idea what you're referring to with the lost in space thing, but your sarcasm was not lost on me.

Look guys, I was answering his question. Okay? I wasn't trying to be confrontational or anything else.

Hmmm... I think I must apologize. I think I sounded far too mean, and I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be. The thing is, is that I was in a bad mood to begin with (I really must stop going online when I'm angry), and sometimes, durrie, you remind me of someone else whom I dislike with a passion. I think it's wonderful to be an individual, and you should be, we all should be. It just bothers me when you try and give me guidance where I want none. You seem to be a really optimistic person about life, and that's good for you, it's just when other optimistic people expect me to adopt their philosophy and become optimistic too, it's annoying.

If anything about my post came across as mean, I apologize, that wasn't my intention.

Phew...I don't know where to begin...other than to say THANK YOU guys and girls...THANK YOU...your answers were perfect.

Phoenix...my dear Phoenix...your description of me was the one I was waiting for with the most anticipation to be honest...when people ask for anothers opinion what do you think that means...do you not see that means I respect YOUR opinion in some way shape or form as well as the others here...of course it does...why else do you think we love and keep comming back to DXP...humans naturally crave a sense of belonging and my whole argument here and always is on DXP about finding that TRUE source...not falling victim to the miriad of disguised substitutes the world of today has on offer...!!!

Your reply was in no way offensive to me...none of them were...they were awesomely liberating...the truth can NEVER EVER-EVER-EVER-EVER hurt us, only guide us in the right direction...THANK YOU!!!

There is sooooooooo much to reply to here and I worry that this will be another marathon to type and read...but here goes.

I am chuffed that all the replies contained my sense of urgency...of passion...of enthusiasm for life because that is what drives me...I AM here...((I AM THAT I AM))...life is the most epic thing we have and share...it is a common BOND between humans but we never see it that way do we...I LOVE LIFE...and because I love life so much I see no point in haveing to drag my feet through it...I wanna do it all...I wanna share it all after that too, but I realsie that my ambition has to be realistic to keep tabs on those horrible old worldly phenomenons called, pain, disapointment, worry, fear, etc. So I do what I can and steer where I want to realising that I am ALIVE and that in itself keeps me smiling.

Another common thing I found in the replies is I believe directley related to my above explained passion and drive for life...the prophet...guru...preacher aspect.
I wish to squash this here and now as I am none of those things. Once I was likened to and called Jesus on these boards and this not so much hurts me as discourages me and takes the wind right out of my sails for lots of reasons...
Mainly because I am just another guy trying to make the most of my life and even though you may not be a Christian which I am not either...there are good, kind and extreamly loving and law abiding people out there who are Christian so why would you want to intentionally hurt them with blasfemy like that just because you are inclined to believe something else...?
More importantly though in relation to myself is the fact that if people think these things of me because of the things I say to them it tells me that what I convey or my attitude I subconciously send out into the cosmos is being misunderstood and misinterpreted which tells me more about myself that it does about you guys really and that takes the wind right out of my sails. Things like that tell me that I myself am at fault NOT the person who doesn't understand and as such it is something I am working on myself...I think I need to relax a bit more and live and LET live...!!!

The topics I always get involved in are not always religious in origion but then as I've said my religion is LIFE...and as such things that challenge life in my opinion are things that challenge my CORE MORALS and VALUES in and for life which is another reason I always speak so passionatley and sound agressive about...

Phoenix...you also asked why I do not talk or participate in the more mondane and everyday subjects and strings on DXP and I can kill two birds with one stone here...

You see...I have no problem with them and often do read them haveing a good laugh too but that is not what I use DXP for...
DXP is amazing for me because it connects people from the world over and that is what I am after...the broader picture and the welth of knowledge to share from every possible aspect, race, creed and re