Competition and Rank move men.

I found myself stuck on this tiktok today, and rethinking most of my relationship from this point of view... how accurate do you find this information? About yourself? your relationships?

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTNBCme92/

i do find myself guilty of layering more complicated emotions and understanding in how I approach my relationships with men.... assuming they operate on the same rules and foundations that I do, but I could see how I could be very wrong in that assumption.

are y'all really this fucking simple tho?

Ugh I can’t see it. I don’t have tiktok. 😟

the summary is that men and women are raised in different social environments with different rules and expectations.

women's relationships tend to trade more subversive interactions, we have to lean to be intuitive, to read other peoples emotions and act accordingly. as women were taught that its lady like to limit ourselves, that we basically we have to read further into things to understand. so we will put more thought and meaning into interactions, and women tend to apply this same process to interactions with men.

but Men were raised with different expectations, being bold being the best being completive set up a value system based on ones rank. she went really into how men view everything they do as how they feel they rank in their relationships, and how they just want to out rank everything.

which to me is a super simplified explanations, but maybe that is the point. I've given to much thought and consideration to how men act, trying to assign meaning or motive and understanding, that is not necessary.

Apart from the physical, I see little difference between women and men. Women could have masculine attributes, men- feminine ones. There is no such thing as men/women "values/rules/capabilities", at least not since the patriarchate was abolished.

Also, relationships are pretty simple when your partner commits to you full heartedly. "Complex narratives" happen when the relationship is mostly one-sided, or partners are not really compatible. They make a mismatch appear far more exciting than it really is.

Oh, the torture/pleasure of unrequited or half-arsed love and the 1000 ways to justify hanging onto it! Been there, done that, it was interesting while it lasted, but not so much in retrospective. Never again.

Posted by MarkGem
These women present themselves as an authority, mostly they are talking shit tho. They have no better idea of what a man thinks and feels than you do - but if you gain something from it which clicks within you then its probably useful to you, regardless of its objective truth value

do you feel like they are trying to out rank you?

Posted by slug
Women don't understand men's simplicity and men don't understand women's complexity...

That's by design. It's been like that for quite a while now and it's not changing anytime soon.

http://www.kelleytown.com/Shared% 20Files/Adam% 20and% 20Eve.pdf

Posted by Astrobyn
the summary is that men and women are raised in different social environments with different rules and expectations.

women's relationships tend to trade more subversive interactions, we have to lean to be intuitive, to read other peoples emotions and act accordingly. as women were taught that its lady like to limit ourselves, that we basically we have to read further into things to understand. so we will put more thought and meaning into interactions, and women tend to apply this same process to interactions with men.

but Men were raised with different expectations, being bold being the best being completive set up a value system based on ones rank. she went really into how men view everything they do as how they feel they rank in their relationships, and how they just want to out rank everything.

which to me is a super simplified explanations, but maybe that is the point. I've given to much thought and consideration to how men act, trying to assign meaning or motive and understanding, that is not necessary.

Hard to take it seriously when it states that it's the environment and social factors we were raised in that causes the differences between men and women. 🤣🤣🤣

Posted by WarAngel79

Posted by slug
Women don't understand men's simplicity and men don't understand women's complexity...

That's by design. It's been like that for quite a while now and it's not changing anytime soon.

click to expand

Yep, it won't change as long as our DNA keeps functioning as it should.

Posted by Astrobyn
I found myself stuck on this tiktok today, and rethinking most of my relationship from this point of view... how accurate do you find this information? About yourself? your relationships?

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTNBCme92/

The truth? She is half right.

It's called social conditioning.

However it's not that men aren't empathetic or emotional or what she claims to be not true.

That side exists.

It's just men who are raised like this rationalize the source of thier emotional responses to fit that mold mentally. EGO

It's a combination of entertaining and sad to tell another guy what's really upsetting him...and him deny it and give a rationalized macho reason instead.Essentially reinforcing the cause of his problem and continue to do the stupid shit he is doing.

Anyway, A good partner for this type can manage this side to them without giving the show away so to speak.

A great man has awareness and control of this side of him. Thats what makes a man a man. What men gain with maturity, emotional maturity.

The same can be said about the counter part to that kind of person with woman. Thier masculine parts. That aggressive side you all have that leaks out in passive aggressive wsys.

I don't want to say everyone is being fake or hiding or lying to others and themselves. Because it's out ignorance and social conditioning.

Seems like the new generations have figured out the farse and poking fun and playing with the whole concept inevertly🍿

I don't have tiktok, so didn't read, but the values that were taught to kids in the 1950s were almost completely opposite to the values that were taught in, say, the 80s/90s, and nowadays it has changed even more where school and the media are constantly telling kids to hate genders, reproduction, and motorized travels, so I'm going to answer no.

there is no fixed set of values taught to people.

Most men aren't taught to be bold in relationships

Posted by Bumboklaat
I can't see cause I don't have tiktok.

Based on your title tho, I would say most men are moved by competition and rank, but their whole life will likely be based on that.

It motivates me but on a very superficial level. I don't compete much and I usually don't stick around long enough to get ranked.

the point is really about how women are conditioned in a subversive environment, we are taught to be sweet and nice, and not to be negative, so we learn to navigate in a social environment we have to decipher. Like she said a nice thing in a strange tone, which really means this.... so women are conditioned to over think situations and social interacts and use our intuition to effectively move through the world.

and women shouldn't make the mistake in applying these same rules to how men move and operate through the world. Advising women to not over think a mans actions and look for hidden meaning or deeper understanding.

That's the part i took from it, she goes on to say that a lot of men move through the world with competition being the main motive, so if a man teases you or minimizes you or your accomplishments, that's just a way to feel like he's putting himself above you in rank.

Posted by CAPZPRIME
war of sexe is incel and femcel theorising about bs,

Exactly

They dig up dirt outdated by at least two centuries, and present it as relevant to the nowadays society 😄

@nanochip

Posted by ScreechingWeasel
We're all just gonna sit here and act like competition and rank don't move women? Yeah women aren't interested in successful men at all lol ok

I think those women have been identified as Pick Me's by our current culture, but girls girls do not.