Strategic Gun Control

Strategic Gun Control:
Attn: AMERICAN Gun Owners and 2nd Amendment Advocates.

We all know about the debate and we've heard both sides for decades.
This is one that I've personally predicted, to myself, was going to be inevitable some day.

Gun Control Strategy: A gun is harmless without bullets: If you can control the bullets, you can control the guns.

My argument: The 2nd Amendment protects the ammunition, as well.
What good is owning a firearm if you cannot obtain the ammunition?

That's what Gun Control Advocacy wants you to think.
IF you are a gun owner, it's additional headache.
IF you are NOT a gun owner, it's more false security because both firearm and munitions are readily obtainable
on the black market.

Pursuant to Natural Law that states that everyone has the right to defend themselves.

Having said that, it is my personal opinion that:
1) leave ALL firearms alone
2) leave ALL ammunition alone
3) leave ALL edged weapons alone

Gun rights advocates need to regroup and consider ALL types of peripheral arms used in self-defense, civil defense,
militia defense and all types arms used for hunting and target practice, whether they be factory-made, shop-made, or home-made.
It is critical that ALL gun owners, especially women who keep arms for self defense, to understand that all manner and type of
production machinery used to produce the arms would be covered under the 2nd Amendment.

Remember always, the botched lobotomized tweeker thinking of those who insist on controlling all "ARMS" (not just firearms) is due
in part to the fact their psyche has been lobotomately obliterated. They don't care if people live or die, they want a level playing field
They want their people to be able to commit crimes and not be held accountable to the fullest extent, and would rather imprison the
law abiding citizen, hoping that some day, a future law is passed that outlaws patriotism and constitutionalism.

Important: You cannot be complacent about your 2nd Amendment RIGHTS
Remember, Complacency is a deadly poison, whereas Vigilance in the legislative process, the courtrooms and the court of public opinion
and anywhere and everywhere is your duty and responsibility to protect what you have now. Failing to fight the botched-job lobotomites
would put you and your family and nation at certain risk of certain death. Men have fought and died for those rights. Don't let them down
through complacency and inaction on the home front.


The story below prompted this post:

http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/07/news/gun-control-bullets/index.html?iid=ob_article_hotListpool&iid=obinsite

don't you grow tired of arguing with women?

Posted by WhiteChocolate
Hasn't DHS already tried something similar?

I heard at one point it was almost impossible to get 5.56 ammo because DHS was buying it all up.

That and 9mm I believe.
Some of it was hyped, because the government does have a need for training etc.
But the volumes purchased raised some eyebrows.

Hillary's men are buying all the ammo to give them to the north korean occupation army when the NWO will take over america. This conversation never happened.

Posted by seraph

Posted by MrFirebird
Important: You cannot be complacent about your 2nd Amendment RIGHTS

Exactly, you have to fetishize them to the point of absurdity.

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this is coming from someone with the queen as your head of state. stupid canadian. i'd like to thank her majesty and the ones before her for encouraging the second amendment

@Seraph: you may not agree, but it's not a fetish now..it's fear. Isis is coming! Obama is going to send his jack booted NATO thugs to take away ur guuuuns n hawl u away to der FEMA camps that have been built under awl da Wal Marts in dis hur new nited states.

What's equally asinine, is the mere fact that these people pay taxes to fund a military and law enforcement...only to then fork money over to gun manufacturers...which in the least is redundant. Sad.

Course of Discussion

Anti-Gunners: Guns Kill People!
Pro-Gunners: Guns Don't Kill People! People Kill People!
Anti-Gunners: Guns Don't Kill People! Bullets Kill People!
Pro-Gunners: Bullets Don't Kill People! People Kill People!
Anti-Gunners: Bullets Don't Kill People! People Kill People!
Pro-Gunners: That's Right! You finally get it!
Anti-Peoplers: If People Kill People, Then We Need To Ban People!
Pro-Peoplers: Right This Way, Sheeples!

Think it's a joke?

Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
Unite humanity with a living new language.
Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
Balance personal rights with social duties.
Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

The Global Population is nigh unto 7 BILLION people.
Subtract 500,000,000 (million) people from that 7 Billion people.
What do you get? 6,500,000,000 (BILLION) people
Those 6.5 BILLION people MUST DIE, according to the Georgia Guidestones mandate.
Certainly explains promoting abortions, wars, healthcare interdiction, lax war on drugs - drugs
break down the mind and mind breaks down in function and productivity suffers, advanced drug addicts
don't do well holding jobs, and many slip through cracks into homelessness and die.
Promoting Homosexuality "gender orientation acceptance" serves the purpose of "birth-control" which is
nothing more than part of the overall "Population" Control strategy.
Keywords: Social Engineering, (Geo-social Engineering), "sustainability".


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_engineering_% 28political_science% 29

Posted by YourFavoriteDXPMember
Note that the obama queers who are against firearms for personal defense are also militant advocates for abortion and homosexuality.

A hell of a trend for you douchebags.

Exactly. How can someone be pro abortion and anti gun at the same time? Quite contradictory isn't it? Oh, the hiprocacy.

Posted by truecap

Posted by YourFavoriteDXPMember
Note that the obama queers who are against firearms for personal defense are also militant advocates for abortion and homosexuality.

A hell of a trend for you douchebags.

Exactly. How can someone be pro abortion and anti gun at the same time? Quite contradictory isn't it? Oh, the hiprocacy.

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Indeed it is.

There's a LOT more to the business of gun control
I am casually revisiting old, old intel.

IF you dumb down society you can neutralize that society to become a non-threat.

If humanity doesn't kill most of itself off, the world/universe will. History loves to repeat itself. We could have the entire Ring of Fire blow, Yellowstone could blow, we could have some new disease run rampant......there's so many scenarios that are plausible, so why worry about things you can't control, and why make up more things to possibly worry about?

No, what's asinine is these self described Rambos walking around here with zero combat and crisis training thinking they can stop crime...as if criminals walk up and announce they're about start shooting. No, they walk up and blow your head off and keep it moving. Also, is one prepared to deal with the innocent bystanders? Is one prepared to live with the fact that while you're trying to "protect freedom" you end up killing someone's child? I think not. Also, you can be sued in civil court and held personally liable and your assets taken in the judgement. No one thinks about that. They just think it's normal to carry an assault rifle to get a pack of Skittles. Please.

Whats really hypocritical is these so called pro lifers who scream bloody murder about abortion but do evetything possible to undermine the welfare of the child after its born. You know, keep the mother from earning dollar for dollar the same a man makes. Undermine funding for public education in the hopes that it privatized. Even go as far as to try to destroy Social Security...and then there's the whole Second Amendment argument. Pro life my ass lol.

Posted by MoonArtist
If humanity doesn't kill most of itself off, the world/universe will. History loves to repeat itself. We could have the entire Ring of Fire blow, Yellowstone could blow, we could have some new disease run rampant......there's so many scenarios that are plausible, so why worry about things you can't control, and why make up more things to possibly worry about?

Moon,
People are known to attack. Animals are known to attack. - No need to worry about whether they can or will.
That's called "Situational Awareness and Preparation" and is the best remedy in the interests of survival, which everyone has the instinct.
Those unprepared, will likely suffer either physical/mental disfiguration or death.
You know good and well that crime exists in your locale, you know the risks, the hot spots and places you ought not go. However, you
also know that trouble sometimes finds you (as what happened in San Ber'dino a month ago). As one having had to live life on the edge
of those unknowns, it's only natural to be prepared. It's called streetwise by some, roadwise by me.
Same situational awareness is necessary in matters of local, state, national and international politics, human relations and sense of community.
Whether you'd choose to own a gun or not, is entirely up to you. No one can force you to buy a gun, except the odds of your being attacked by someone
or some animal, without a shadow of a doubt, compels you to do so. You also know that everyone's circumstances are different. IF you or someone else
feels the need to possess and master a firearm and self-defense, either way, you would be exercising your constitutional right if you chose to do so, or not.
I said this in my other thread, not everyone is physically able to defend themselves and thus, a firearm may be their best choice. IF I convinced that disabled
person not purchase a firearm and that person was killed in their own home or somewhere on the street because they were unarmed, I would not be too
pleased with myself.

Also, Moon, I want to reiterate that gun control however far-reaching, will not stop anyone from killing if that killer has murder in his/her heart.

Which is why society needs to rethink it's moral compass and value of human life, versus it's perverted sense of freedom.

Let me be clear, freedom without "wisdom" and discipline to exercise self-control is a fleeting lark. Once self-control walks out the door,
freedom is jeopardy. Drunk driving a perfect case in point: We know that DUI is a potentially deadly thing to do. The car is the gun, the
bottles are ammunition. And as I had pointed out, there were 100,000 MORE traffic fatalities than there were gun related fatalities in the same
12 year period from 2001 to 2013.

Look at the diverse statistics.

http://www.madd.org/statistics/


On average, each year in the US there are more than 10,000 alcohol related traffic fatalities.

While the people may have a right to drink, the US does not regulate alcohol as it does firearms. It's ridiculous, but true.
Same holds true for motor vehicles.

http://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/sites/rita.dot.gov.bts/files/publications/by_the_numbers/drunk_driving/index.html

I'm not anti-gun, I'm simply not one to overly worry about things I can't control. I can't predict which scenario might be the next big population killer, but I can say that the odds are huge that there will be some kind of event in the future that will make it happen, because history shows that this is the pattern, and it's been going on for millions of years.

As for my personal safety, I take the usual precautions, and I pity whoever is dumb enough to cross a line with me, because I know exactly what I am, and I also know what I'm capable of.

Ultimately, though, death has never scared me and I've never really understood the way humans fear it. I still don't.

Posted by MoonArtist
I'm not anti-gun, I'm simply not one to overly worry about things I can't control. I can't predict which scenario might be the next big population killer, but I can say that the odds are huge that there will be some kind of event in the future that will make it happen, because history shows that this is the pattern, and it's been going on for millions of years.

As for my personal safety, I take the usual precautions, and I pity whoever is dumb enough to cross a line with me, because I know exactly what I am, and I also know what I'm capable of.

Ultimately, though, death has never scared me and I've never really understood the way humans fear it. I still don't.

Me neither. But I'm not stupid. And I regret knowing some of the things that I do. Sometimes you just wish you didn't know..... you know—

"No, what's asinine is these self described Rambos walking around here with zero combat and crisis training thinking they can stop crime...as if criminals walk up and announce they're about start shooting. No, they walk up and blow your head off and keep it moving. Also, is one prepared to deal with the innocent bystanders? Is one prepared to live with the fact that while you're trying to "protect freedom" you end up killing someone's child? I think not. Also, you can be sued in civil court and held personally liable and your assets taken in the judgement. No one thinks about that. They just think it's normal to carry an assault rifle to get a pack of Skittles. Please.

Whats really hypocritical is these so called pro lifers who scream bloody murder about abortion but do evetything possible to undermine the welfare of the child after its born. You know, keep the mother from earning dollar for dollar the same a man makes. Undermine funding for public education in the hopes that it privatized. Even go as far as to try to destroy Social Security...and then there's the whole Second Amendment argument. Pro life my ass lol."

Grandma Rambo and Friends

Again, I am not advocating that anyone should kill anyone, and though, on the surface, it may appear that I am advocating arms, I am not.

I've said it already. Parents, if you don't raise your kids right all manner of wickedness can unfold as they grow up and grow older.
Again, how you raise your children is how you plan your own future.

http://walmartshootings.blogspot.com/2015/03/argument-leads-to-shootout-at-alabama.html?m=1


http://walmartshootings.blogspot.com/2015/03/conceal-carry-permit-holder.html?m=1

http://walmartshootings.blogspot.com/2015/01/woman-threatens-walmart-shopper-with.html?m=1

http://m.wftv.com/news/news/men-followed-from-shooting-range-robbed-of-guns/nJsQr/

and in my home state(got a real chuckle out of this one):

http://gawker.com/5849110/tennessees-guns-in-bars-lawmaker-arrested-for-drunk-driving-with-gun

Posted by MrFirebird

Posted by MoonArtist
I'm not anti-gun, I'm simply not one to overly worry about things I can't control. I can't predict which scenario might be the next big population killer, but I can say that the odds are huge that there will be some kind of event in the future that will make it happen, because history shows that this is the pattern, and it's been going on for millions of years.

As for my personal safety, I take the usual precautions, and I pity whoever is dumb enough to cross a line with me, because I know exactly what I am, and I also know what I'm capable of.

Ultimately, though, death has never scared me and I've never really understood the way humans fear it. I still don't.

Me neither. But I'm not stupid. And I regret knowing some of the things that I do. Sometimes you just wish you didn't know..... you know—

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I'm a knowledge seeker, so I never regret knowing. Knowledge is power, as they say. Besides, I'm a box breaker, so change doesn't scare me, either. When things are seen from a different perspective they appear differently. I see things in ways that aren't the norm.

...and on a totally different and personal note...

Posted by LetltB

BINGO!

A rock on the ground is a harmless object until man made it a deadly weapon.

That meme that says:
We Don't Blame Cars
For Drunk Drivers
(image of two totaled cars)
Why Blame Guns
For Violent People?

That reminds me of the deeper underlying cause to the problem: Lack Of Self-Control
In a nation that espouses "freedom" people seem think and believe or have been taught that
they are absolutely free to do whatever they darned well please, without facing the consequences.

It seems that if there was a flaw to be identified with America's core value, is that it welcomes both
the Wise AND the Fool. Perhaps more accurately, in this day and age, it's thinking welcomes the Fool
and shuns the Wise.

Anyway, thought provoking.

Posted by LetltB
...and on a totally different and personal note...

And I just came across this clip last night:

Posted by MrFirebird

Posted by LetltB
...and on a totally different and personal note...

And I just came across this clip last night:

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The game "Hand, Scissors, Rock, Paper" illustrating both luck and strategic advantage, comes to mind.

In the case of that clip, the gun won the war against the sword.

Sun Tzu Say: Know Your Enemy Know Yourself

"It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle."

Machete Man didn't know his enemy. He didn't know himself. And lost.

All these shootings are hoaxes. It's clear the agenda is disarming the public

Posted by Astrochologist
All these shootings are hoaxes. It's clear the agenda is disarming the public

I assume by "all these shootings", you are referring to the mass shootings of the era of the Obama administration.
Some say that. Whether true or not shouldn't make a difference.

Any language that opposes the 2nd amendment also opposes the rest of the original Constitution as written by the founders.
But for corruption built upon corruptions, even the founders would have been tried, convicted and sentenced to death for challenging and
opposing the whims corrupt leaders.

People have no idea how fragile their freedoms are.

Posted by MrFirebird
people seem think and believe or have been taught that
they are absolutely free to do whatever they darned well please, without facing the consequences.

In other words, the right to bear arms is the sword of Damocles for those in power who wish to do whatever they like to whomever without suffering the consequences of their actions. That's a pretty nice motivator for wanna be dictators to make sure the people at large can't forcibly resist.

Posted by CancerOnTheCusp

Posted by MrFirebird
people seem think and believe or have been taught that
they are absolutely free to do whatever they darned well please, without facing the consequences.

In other words, the right to bear arms is the sword of Damocles for those in power who wish to do whatever they like to whomever without suffering the consequences of their actions. That's a pretty nice motivator for wanna be dictators to make sure the people at large can't forcibly resist.

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That's a very creative reply. Bravo.
Yes, the right to KEEP and bear arms IS the equalizing amendment against tyranny from America's founding. Keeps the tyrant and the would-be tyrant in check.
For those in doubt, seeing that it IS the liberal mindset in the US, who, overwhelmingly, would want nothing more than for all the people to be disarmed should make it crystal clear that it is they who want to be the unrestrained and fearless tyrant.

"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson


Damocles
According to the story, Damocles was pandering to Dionysius, his king, and exclaimed to him that he was truly fortunate as a great man of power and authority, surrounded by magnificence. Dionysius then offered to switch places with Damocles so that Damocles could taste that very fortune firsthand. Damocles quickly and eagerly accepted the king's proposal. Damocles sat down in the king's throne surrounded by every luxury, but Dionysius arranged that a huge sword should hang above the throne, held at the pommel only by a single hair of a horse's tail. Damocles finally begged the king that he be allowed to depart because he no longer wanted to be so fortunate, realizing that with great fortune and power comes also great responsibility (and danger).[2][1]

King Dionysius effectively conveyed the sense of constant fear in which a great man may live. Cicero used this story as the last in a series of contrasting examples for reaching the conclusion he had been moving towards in this fifth Disputation, in which the theme is that virtue is sufficient for living a happy life.[3][4] Cicero asks, "Does not Dionysius seem to have made it sufficiently clear that there can be nothing happy for the person over whom some fear always looms?"[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damocles

Posted by moondust

That's right.

Posted by Arielle83
Ya we don't blame cars for drunk driving.
First of all you don't just pull a trigger to get the car going. You have to find that key in your inebriated state. Then you have to put it in the key hole and remember to clutch in or turn the key the correct way.

Also we blame alcohol abuse for DUI's. Alcohol is regulated in pubs and it's illegal to over serve an intoxicated person. If drunk person is wasted at home they still have the chore of putting key to key hole.

Now if a drunk person picked up a rifle and started shooting shit up, we still blame the alcohol, but shouldn't those guns have been properly secured and locked down so drunky can't get easy access? Use a lock and key.

I blame people. People need to be responsible for their own state if mind or actions.

As a tourist to Texas, I won't have a gun, so should I just stay here because I can't defend myself in your country?

Ariella, you're overthinking this.
My point was/is, people need to raise their kids right - to think right - to not do the things that get them or anyone else hurt.
Again, it doesn't matter if it's a gun, a car or a pipe or a rock or a chair leg.... people who want to commit a crime are going to do so, gun or no gun.
IF MUTUAL RESPECT, Forgiveness and love for one another were effectively taught throughout society, no one would to worry about
becoming a victim of a crime - any crime.
Sadly, there are people in the world that disagree and because of that, there is violence in the land, the world over.
It was all too true when the US was founded and remains true to this day.

In short the world needs to alter it's way of thinking.

Posted by Arielle83

Posted by MrFirebird

Posted by Arielle83
Ya we don't blame cars for drunk driving.
First of all you don't just pull a trigger to get the car going. You have to find that key in your inebriated state. Then you have to put it in the key hole and remember to clutch in or turn the key the correct way.

Also we blame alcohol abuse for DUI's. Alcohol is regulated in pubs and it's illegal to over serve an intoxicated person. If drunk person is wasted at home they still have the chore of putting key to key hole.

Now if a drunk person picked up a rifle and started shooting shit up, we still blame the alcohol, but shouldn't those guns have been properly secured and locked down so drunky can't get easy access? Use a lock and key.

I blame people. People need to be responsible for their own state if mind or actions.

As a tourist to Texas, I won't have a gun, so should I just stay here because I can't defend myself in your country?

Ariella, you're overthinking this.
My point was/is, people need to raise their kids right - to think right - to not do the things that get them or anyone else hurt.
Again, it doesn't matter if it's a gun, a car or a pipe or a rock or a chair leg.... people who want to commit a crime are going to do so, gun or no gun.
IF MUTUAL RESPECT, Forgiveness and love for one another were effectively taught throughout society, no one would to worry about
becoming a victim of a crime - any crime.
Sadly, there are people in the world that disagree and because of that, there is violence in the land, the world over.
It was all too true when the US was founded and remains true to this day.

In short the world needs to alter it's way of thinking.

Well I agree with that, but you've got too many bitter angry ppl who feel they were done a raw deal. Men killing wives with guns.

I watch 48 hours 4 times a fortnight, too much domestic murders are solved with guns and thrown in a ditch.

It's too hard to teach the world to care when ppl don't care about themselves.

If Sam Elliott held me up at gun point I might get excited though.

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Thus the need for firearms because the odds of survivability increase with superior arms dominance, training, situational awareness, and quick and sure thinking and action
and finally a measure of fortune.

It's a sad reality but it is what it is.

I remember billions of people don't have guns at home. Starting with the Chinese and Indian folks.

Maybe the background culture in the usa is not ready for such a life.