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Cusps
I guess the year you were born has something to do with it too.For example when my mother was a child she was a libra but currently she's a scorpio.She has traits of both in the annoying way.Then a gem/cancer cusp guy got the more positive traits of both signs.He doesn't have the indecisiveness and childeshness traits of the gem but he doesn't have the insecurity issues of a cancer.He's got the open,social traits from gem and the loving character of a cancer so is more positive.
Some people believe in cusps, some people don't . . . personally, I don't. (Go Linda Goodman! =P) And as you were born on the 22nd of February, believer of cusp or not, I don't think it'd affect you much. The cusp for Aquarius/Pisces would refer to the 19th/20th of February. So you're safe. =P
I don't think cusps are valid because I believe as well as numerous if not the majority of astrologers (I am not an astrologist though, just a novice that knows a little of the basics =P) that you are ONE SIGN or the OTHER. The "influences" of the other sign on the other side, I believe, is due to the person's actual CHART, and NOT the fact that they are born on a "cusp". What I mean is, though they may be a Sun Pisces, they may have, say, heavy Aquarius planets, etc. to give them that "influence". Here's something I wrote in 2003, dealing with cusps:
"Another thing I must clear up. The "Cusps" that people talk about. For instance, how a Leo ends on the 23rd of August, and a Virgo begins on the 24th of August. They call that a Cusp. Just because you were born on the 23rd or 24th of August, does not mean that you are both Signs. You are ONE or the OTHER. This is determined by time, and that is why your time of birth is crucial to get an exact astrological profile. The Sun does not move swiftly into one sign to the next by day, so when the 23rd of August ends at 12:00 AM, it does not mean that everyone born straight after that day is a Virgo. It's not black and white. Since the planets move at different rates year by year, the time the sun moves into the next astrological arc changes. So, for instance, the Sun could've moved out of Leo and into Virgo at 10:00 AM on the 23rd in one year, but 10:30 AM on the 23rd the next. This is also why different sites have different dates, i.e some say Virgo is the 22nd, 23rd, or 24th of August to whatever. All of those would be correct, but at different years. In this year of 2003, the correct one would be the 24th of August. This means that the Sun moved into Virgo either near the end of the 23rd or near the start of the 24th, which astrologists would then assume the majority of that transition would be the correct sign to assign it to. But to know which one you are, you would have to know your time of birth, right down to the exact minute.
As I was saying, you have to be one or the other if you were born on this so called cusp. =P If the cut off line was, say, 3:07 AM on the 24th of August, and you were born on 3:03 AM on that day, then you are a Leo, not a Virgo. You were saved by four minutes. =P That's how important time is."
So it's not about the Aquarius/Pisces cusp, but it does its job. =P
Tiamat: Your mother cannot be a Libra as a child, and a Scorpio as an adult . . . I think you're getting confused with the dates in magazines. Magazines will use the date of that YEAR, as noted above. You will have to get your mother's birth date, time, and place to find out exactly what her astrological sign is. If she's a Libra, there must be a Scorpio influence somewhere in her chart that gives her certain Scorpio qualities, and vice versa if she's actually a Scorpio. (She doesn't necessarily have to have the "other" sign's planets in her chart to have that influence . . . there are other things to take into account in a chart, besides the planets, such as what houses they're in, and the aspects between them. I can't dwell more on that, becuse as I said, I'm a novice. =O))
Just to make it more clear, I have a friend born on the 20th of February in 1988 at 12:07 AM. If he had been born around 4 hours and 30 minutes earlier, so about 7:30 PM on the 19th of February, he would have been an Aquarius. =O) But he's not, he's a Pisces. He does, however, have an Aquarius Mercury . . . there's the Aquarian "influence" to his chart, in the areas of his intellect, wittyness, etc. =O)
~ theshadow.
I don't think cusps are valid because I believe as well as numerous if not the majority of astrologers (I am not an astrologist though, just a novice that knows a little of the basics =P) that you are ONE SIGN or the OTHER. The "influences" of the other sign on the other side, I believe, is due to the person's actual CHART, and NOT the fact that they are born on a "cusp". What I mean is, though they may be a Sun Pisces, they may have, say, heavy Aquarius planets, etc. to give them that "influence". Here's something I wrote in 2003, dealing with cusps:
"Another thing I must clear up. The "Cusps" that people talk about. For instance, how a Leo ends on the 23rd of August, and a Virgo begins on the 24th of August. They call that a Cusp. Just because you were born on the 23rd or 24th of August, does not mean that you are both Signs. You are ONE or the OTHER. This is determined by time, and that is why your time of birth is crucial to get an exact astrological profile. The Sun does not move swiftly into one sign to the next by day, so when the 23rd of August ends at 12:00 AM, it does not mean that everyone born straight after that day is a Virgo. It's not black and white. Since the planets move at different rates year by year, the time the sun moves into the next astrological arc changes. So, for instance, the Sun could've moved out of Leo and into Virgo at 10:00 AM on the 23rd in one year, but 10:30 AM on the 23rd the next. This is also why different sites have different dates, i.e some say Virgo is the 22nd, 23rd, or 24th of August to whatever. All of those would be correct, but at different years. In this year of 2003, the correct one would be the 24th of August. This means that the Sun moved into Virgo either near the end of the 23rd or near the start of the 24th, which astrologists would then assume the majority of that transition would be the correct sign to assign it to. But to know which one you are, you would have to know your time of birth, right down to the exact minute.
As I was saying, you have to be one or the other if you were born on this so called cusp. =P If the cut off line was, say, 3:07 AM on the 24th of August, and you were born on 3:03 AM on that day, then you are a Leo, not a Virgo. You were saved by four minutes. =P That's how important time is."
So it's not about the Aquarius/Pisces cusp, but it does its job. =P
Tiamat: Your mother cannot be a Libra as a child, and a Scorpio as an adult . . . I think you're getting confused with the dates in magazines. Magazines will use the date of that YEAR, as noted above. You will have to get your mother's birth date, time, and place to find out exactly what her astrological sign is. If she's a Libra, there must be a Scorpio influence somewhere in her chart that gives her certain Scorpio qualities, and vice versa if she's actually a Scorpio. (She doesn't necessarily have to have the "other" sign's planets in her chart to have that influence . . . there are other things to take into account in a chart, besides the planets, such as what houses they're in, and the aspects between them. I can't dwell more on that, becuse as I said, I'm a novice. =O))
Just to make it more clear, I have a friend born on the 20th of February in 1988 at 12:07 AM. If he had been born around 4 hours and 30 minutes earlier, so about 7:30 PM on the 19th of February, he would have been an Aquarius. =O) But he's not, he's a Pisces. He does, however, have an Aquarius Mercury . . . there's the Aquarian "influence" to his chart, in the areas of his intellect, wittyness, etc. =O)
~ theshadow.
There is one question that always digs my mind. What if you, me or someone else was born lets say 7 days earlier? What kind of importance does the birth time have then? I was born on March 16, which is Pisces. But, what if I was born 4 days earlier? Does that really make me Pisces? Or someone else?
One thing that I will tell about that is; The first and the last 10 days of every month could be called as you called Cusps. +/- 10 days is a good time period to be more precise about personality type of person. Also, some people are born as premature, which means being born about 2 month earlier and so on. What can you say for these people then?
Since Moon can affect our psyche during the fullmoon, the effect of planets on our personality is % 100 (which is also scientific). I always belive that those planets and our Moon, somehow affects our personality. Also, not only that, the season of your birth is also big effect becase of enviroument (temperature, humidity etc). There is have to be many similarities between the people who born in close to each other dates. And that is enough to speak about people similarities, even without involving astrology.
One thing that I will tell about that is; The first and the last 10 days of every month could be called as you called Cusps. +/- 10 days is a good time period to be more precise about personality type of person. Also, some people are born as premature, which means being born about 2 month earlier and so on. What can you say for these people then?
Since Moon can affect our psyche during the fullmoon, the effect of planets on our personality is % 100 (which is also scientific). I always belive that those planets and our Moon, somehow affects our personality. Also, not only that, the season of your birth is also big effect becase of enviroument (temperature, humidity etc). There is have to be many similarities between the people who born in close to each other dates. And that is enough to speak about people similarities, even without involving astrology.
Birth time is VERY important. It is THE most important, along with your birth date and place, because it gives you YOUR UNIQUE ASTROLOGICAL CHART. This is why NO TWO PEOPLE of the same sign (or different . . .) will EVER be the exact same. Why TWINS are different. For instance, one might be born with a Leo Rising, whilst the other is a Virgo rising . . . the first will surely be a more dominate personality. (We'll you'd really need to look at their full charts.) =O) And as said, the aspects of the planets and the houses they fall into -> Different personalities.
You were born on March 16th? If you were born four days earlier, March 12th, yes, you'd still be a Pisces SUN. BUT! Your CHART will be totally different to someone who was born on another date and time, such as March 16th. =P Yes, if you were born four days earlier, you WILL have certain different personality traits to those you have now. For instance, your MOON will DEFINITELY be different. Your ascendant/rising will too. The DEGREE of which a planet is in will also be different . . . And thus, the ASPECTS between ALL the planets in your chart will react differently, giving you your unique personality. Planets within your chart will trine/sextile/conjunct etc. each other, and there are the HOUSES to consider . . . unfortunately, as I said, I can't dwell too much on this, as I'm just a novice. =O)
As I said, I don't believe in cusps, so the +/-10 thing doesn't really matter to me. =P I do believe in Decanates, though. 30 degrees in a sign, split into 10 degree groups. 1st Decanate of Pisces is a Pisces-Pisces, 2nd Decanate of Pisces is a Pisces-Cancer, and 3rd Decanate of Pisces is of course a Pisces-Scorpio. But here are my OVER GENERALISED views of each PISCES decanate. =P 1st Decanate: Pretty Boys of the Zodiac. =P 2nd Decanate: More susceptical to alcohol, drugs, etc. than the other Decans of Pisces. 3rd: Perhaps more highly sexed/passionate than the other Decans? =P Excuse me, I'm a little rusty. =O)
For the people that are born premature. It does NOT matter whether they were "supposed" to be an Aries, but instead were born earlier and thus is an Aquarius or a Pisces. If you believe in astrology, it shouldn't be too hard to believe that if a child was born premature, the forces of nature "wanted" it that way. =O) To be more specific and serious, your chart is not about when you were conceived or what your expected due date is. It is when YOU are formally known as a "human being" -- a creation of mankind. And THAT is when your chart is created, and tells us about YOU. Your birth. =O)
You were born on March 16th? If you were born four days earlier, March 12th, yes, you'd still be a Pisces SUN. BUT! Your CHART will be totally different to someone who was born on another date and time, such as March 16th. =P Yes, if you were born four days earlier, you WILL have certain different personality traits to those you have now. For instance, your MOON will DEFINITELY be different. Your ascendant/rising will too. The DEGREE of which a planet is in will also be different . . . And thus, the ASPECTS between ALL the planets in your chart will react differently, giving you your unique personality. Planets within your chart will trine/sextile/conjunct etc. each other, and there are the HOUSES to consider . . . unfortunately, as I said, I can't dwell too much on this, as I'm just a novice. =O)
As I said, I don't believe in cusps, so the +/-10 thing doesn't really matter to me. =P I do believe in Decanates, though. 30 degrees in a sign, split into 10 degree groups. 1st Decanate of Pisces is a Pisces-Pisces, 2nd Decanate of Pisces is a Pisces-Cancer, and 3rd Decanate of Pisces is of course a Pisces-Scorpio. But here are my OVER GENERALISED views of each PISCES decanate. =P 1st Decanate: Pretty Boys of the Zodiac. =P 2nd Decanate: More susceptical to alcohol, drugs, etc. than the other Decans of Pisces. 3rd: Perhaps more highly sexed/passionate than the other Decans? =P Excuse me, I'm a little rusty. =O)
For the people that are born premature. It does NOT matter whether they were "supposed" to be an Aries, but instead were born earlier and thus is an Aquarius or a Pisces. If you believe in astrology, it shouldn't be too hard to believe that if a child was born premature, the forces of nature "wanted" it that way. =O) To be more specific and serious, your chart is not about when you were conceived or what your expected due date is. It is when YOU are formally known as a "human being" -- a creation of mankind. And THAT is when your chart is created, and tells us about YOU. Your birth. =O)
Can anyone explain to me what is a decan?
I thought it was a trainee priest!!!?
Seriously though, I want to know more about this decan stuff.....thanks to whoever is willing to share....
A x
PS - the Shadow....great name......
I thought it was a trainee priest!!!?
Seriously though, I want to know more about this decan stuff.....thanks to whoever is willing to share....
A x
PS - the Shadow....great name......
Hi Alana, there's a lot of information about Decans on this website:
http://www.astralaspects.com/decan_sunsign.htm
http://www.astralaspects.com/decan_sunsign.htm
We have different points of view, Theshadow. I take astrology as a process of formation of human personality "during" the pregnancy. I beleive this "process" is far more important than delivery time.
Alana: A Decan or Decanate is: "A term applied to a subdivision of Sign into 10? arcs, referred to as the first, second and third decanates or decans." Basically EVERY Sun Sign is divided into three seperate 10 degree arcs. It just tries to "lessen" the extent of generalisation of Sun Signs, and be more specific . . . but again, readings of Decanates are also generalisations (as is everything you'll ever come across, unless you know your exact time of birth, and have a professional astrologer read your chart-- then it would be absolutely about you to a T. =O)). 1st Decanates will be the Sun Sign, with the Sun Sign . . . So, Pisces-Pisces, Aries-Aries, those are all 1st Decanates. 2nd Decanates will take the next sign of the same element that's next in line -- in Pisces case, that would be Cancer. So, Pisces-Cancer . . . Aries-Leo. 3rd would be the next sign of element in line, which would also be the last; Scorpio. So, Pisces-Scorpio . . . Aries-Sagittarius. There aren't a lot of sites about Decans, unfortunately. 😢 But really, it's just "zooming in" to qualities more specific to YOU depending on which Decan you fall under. =O)
haffo: Please don't feel like I'm trying to push my view down your throat or anything in what I say next, I'm just stating the facts. =) The reasons that I gave you about the "premature" business and that our charts are made on our ACTUAL BIRTH regardless of whether we were born earlier or later than our due date is taken as FACT by ALL professional astrologers . . . This is THEIR answers to people who are skeptical of astrology. Yes, believe it or not, the "non-believers" ask questions like; "What about people that were born premature?" to astrologers in order to ruffle their feathers and diss astrologers' views.
The fact I gave you is what these astrologers say in return to those that are skeptical. Our BIRTH is significant, NOT the exact time the sperm meets the egg, or WHEN our birth is scheduled. =O)
On a childish view, look at it like this: Astrology is based on the fact that the planets and stars affect us, form our personalities . . . when we are born, we come out of the womb and into the "world" -- where the planets can freely "hit" us -- we are no longer protected in our mother's womb, we are actually "on earth" and "outside" . . . if you understand. =O)
Your view that during the process of pregnancy, our personalites are formed . . . how? The planets are ALL moving whilst we are inside the womb for 9 months. How can we then decide what planet is influencing us? WHY would our Sun Signs/Risings/Moons etc. AFFECT our personalities at all if it was decided during our PROCESS and not our actual birth? Again, I am NOT dissing you in any way, it's just the way my logical mind works. =O) There would be NO significance whatsoever if the "process" was what mattered, and not our "delivery time" . . . It IS our "delivery time" that makes us who we are. For example, how can the "process" affect/shape our Rising sign? Rising signs change approximately every two hours . . . say our due date was the 20th of February, and we actually ARRIVED on that due date . . . say one person arrived at 12:00 AM, and the other person at 3:00 AM . . . they went through the SAME pregnancy process . . . are they the same? No. Why? Because their BIRTH time gave them different planetary influences. The first was born with a Scorpio rising, the second a Sagitarrius rising. The degrees of their other planets would also be different, and merely because one was born three hours before the other. Does that make sense?
That is why someone's BIRTH TIME is important. That's what astrology is BASED on. =O)
Going off a different tangent from your "process of pregnancy", to a different idea I have about that. =O) Say, for example, a Pisces MOON's MOTHER is supposed to go through a lot of stress during pregnancy (the mothers of Piscean Moons are generally thought to have) . . . Imagine
haffo: Please don't feel like I'm trying to push my view down your throat or anything in what I say next, I'm just stating the facts. =) The reasons that I gave you about the "premature" business and that our charts are made on our ACTUAL BIRTH regardless of whether we were born earlier or later than our due date is taken as FACT by ALL professional astrologers . . . This is THEIR answers to people who are skeptical of astrology. Yes, believe it or not, the "non-believers" ask questions like; "What about people that were born premature?" to astrologers in order to ruffle their feathers and diss astrologers' views.
The fact I gave you is what these astrologers say in return to those that are skeptical. Our BIRTH is significant, NOT the exact time the sperm meets the egg, or WHEN our birth is scheduled. =O)
On a childish view, look at it like this: Astrology is based on the fact that the planets and stars affect us, form our personalities . . . when we are born, we come out of the womb and into the "world" -- where the planets can freely "hit" us -- we are no longer protected in our mother's womb, we are actually "on earth" and "outside" . . . if you understand. =O)
Your view that during the process of pregnancy, our personalites are formed . . . how? The planets are ALL moving whilst we are inside the womb for 9 months. How can we then decide what planet is influencing us? WHY would our Sun Signs/Risings/Moons etc. AFFECT our personalities at all if it was decided during our PROCESS and not our actual birth? Again, I am NOT dissing you in any way, it's just the way my logical mind works. =O) There would be NO significance whatsoever if the "process" was what mattered, and not our "delivery time" . . . It IS our "delivery time" that makes us who we are. For example, how can the "process" affect/shape our Rising sign? Rising signs change approximately every two hours . . . say our due date was the 20th of February, and we actually ARRIVED on that due date . . . say one person arrived at 12:00 AM, and the other person at 3:00 AM . . . they went through the SAME pregnancy process . . . are they the same? No. Why? Because their BIRTH time gave them different planetary influences. The first was born with a Scorpio rising, the second a Sagitarrius rising. The degrees of their other planets would also be different, and merely because one was born three hours before the other. Does that make sense?
That is why someone's BIRTH TIME is important. That's what astrology is BASED on. =O)
Going off a different tangent from your "process of pregnancy", to a different idea I have about that. =O) Say, for example, a Pisces MOON's MOTHER is supposed to go through a lot of stress during pregnancy (the mothers of Piscean Moons are generally thought to have) . . . Imagine
wow.. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm impressed. Ok, how about Chinese astrology? For example, I'm a snake (not literally 🙂). What are the differences between horoscopes- personality traits.. is there a difference between an Aries Snake and say a Pisces Snake, Libra Snake or Virgo Snake?
Oh yeah,im a goat but a scorpio so im a little more aggressive and independant then goats are supposed to be,but still nicer than other scorpios.Cancerlady a goat whos a cancer so shes a straight up cancer with all the nice stuff.A leo goat I know isn't very emotional and is of a more common sense,intelligence type person but still has the outwardly kindness personality of the goat.
I'm Feb. 18th, Aquarius, I thought that I was on the cusp of Aqu and Pisc, because I truly have characteristics of both. However, my Ascendant sign is in Pisces which is probably the reason some of Pisc. shows up. I understand that Aquarians tend to be tall (Abraham Lincoln) and slim, but Pisces are rather short or petite with large expressive eyes which applies to me. As an Aqu. I'm analytical, intellgent, straight forward, contrary, and stubborn. The Pisc. side is sensual, sensitive, intuitive, artistic, and jealous. The other signs that I get along with best are: Aries, Leos, Scorpios, Virgos, Taurus and some Libras.
Waterbearer wrote;
I understand that Aquarians tend to be tall (Abraham Lincoln) and slim, but Pisces are rather short or petite with large expressive eyes which applies to me.
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Surely the physical make up of someone can only be genetic. I'm a pisces through and through but share none of the physical traits waterbearer speaks of. I'm 6 foot 5 inches tall, 210 pounds and have rather squinty eyes like my dad who is a cancer.
I understand that Aquarians tend to be tall (Abraham Lincoln) and slim, but Pisces are rather short or petite with large expressive eyes which applies to me.
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Surely the physical make up of someone can only be genetic. I'm a pisces through and through but share none of the physical traits waterbearer speaks of. I'm 6 foot 5 inches tall, 210 pounds and have rather squinty eyes like my dad who is a cancer.
seizeTheDay: I know NOTHING about Chinese Astrology, so I can't venture there. =) I stick to Western Astrology. ^^; But logically, if you do believe in Chinse Astrology, there SHOULD be differences between an Aries, Pisces, Libra, Virgo etc. Snake . . . since they're all different signs, they'd have those traits associated to them, and just add on the traits of the "Snake" onto that if you're into Chinese Astrology. =O)
waterbearer: Wow, you're a typical! =O) The Rising Sign/Ascendant is SUPPOSED to influence the way you look more than your actual sun (of course, it also depends on the other planetary influences in your entire chart), and you look like a Pisces! Awesome. =O)
BJ: Of course the physical makeup of someone is genetic. =O) An African American isn't going to give birth to a Caucasian. =O) Well, unless they mated with a Caucasian. =O) But yes, your genetics will surely come from your parents . . . But what influences the way they show up? Astrology, perhaps? I'm not talking about features as such, but *structure* of face . . . There is a VERY interesting site here: http://www.astrofaces.com/astrofaces/ It compares people together based on Sun, Moon, and Ascendant. On the left hand frame, choose "Select Photos", then select the Sun, Moon, and Ascendant you would like to see . . . the similarities between people of the same Sun/Moon/Ascendant is quite astonishing. =O) They all have different genetic traits, but also a structural similarity. =O)
Atlantic Myst: As I said in a post before, it doesn't even matter if the "other" sign ISN'T in the chart . . . there are the houses and aspects to consider. For instance, say a person was born on the cusp of Leo/Virgo, and they are actually a VIRGO, with Leo influences . . . except they have NO Leo planets. Could it be, that their Virgo Sun (or ANY other planet) is in the 5th House? 5th House being Leo . . . Houses are the way the planets manifest themselves. So this certain Virgo, on the "cusp" of Leo/Virgo, has a Leonine quality to them . . . they have a "roar", and here we all thought Virgos were supposed to be shy and modest. =O) But this particular Virgo has a fire behind their Earth Sun, attributed by their 5th House Sun. Make sense? =O) (It DOESN'T have to be the house their SUN is in . . . any planet will do fine, it's just a matter of whether the aspects between ALL planets make the influence "stronger" or "weaker". That is why you will find people with very STRONG traits of their signs, and others with WEAKER traits, that is, their traits hardly show up at all . . .. ) I believe the MAJORITY of "cusps" children have this certain quality behind their charts, because of the way the planets were aligned during the "cusps" transitions . . . But you are very welcome to have your own beliefs, just putting my views forward. =O)
waterbearer: Wow, you're a typical! =O) The Rising Sign/Ascendant is SUPPOSED to influence the way you look more than your actual sun (of course, it also depends on the other planetary influences in your entire chart), and you look like a Pisces! Awesome. =O)
BJ: Of course the physical makeup of someone is genetic. =O) An African American isn't going to give birth to a Caucasian. =O) Well, unless they mated with a Caucasian. =O) But yes, your genetics will surely come from your parents . . . But what influences the way they show up? Astrology, perhaps? I'm not talking about features as such, but *structure* of face . . . There is a VERY interesting site here: http://www.astrofaces.com/astrofaces/ It compares people together based on Sun, Moon, and Ascendant. On the left hand frame, choose "Select Photos", then select the Sun, Moon, and Ascendant you would like to see . . . the similarities between people of the same Sun/Moon/Ascendant is quite astonishing. =O) They all have different genetic traits, but also a structural similarity. =O)
Atlantic Myst: As I said in a post before, it doesn't even matter if the "other" sign ISN'T in the chart . . . there are the houses and aspects to consider. For instance, say a person was born on the cusp of Leo/Virgo, and they are actually a VIRGO, with Leo influences . . . except they have NO Leo planets. Could it be, that their Virgo Sun (or ANY other planet) is in the 5th House? 5th House being Leo . . . Houses are the way the planets manifest themselves. So this certain Virgo, on the "cusp" of Leo/Virgo, has a Leonine quality to them . . . they have a "roar", and here we all thought Virgos were supposed to be shy and modest. =O) But this particular Virgo has a fire behind their Earth Sun, attributed by their 5th House Sun. Make sense? =O) (It DOESN'T have to be the house their SUN is in . . . any planet will do fine, it's just a matter of whether the aspects between ALL planets make the influence "stronger" or "weaker". That is why you will find people with very STRONG traits of their signs, and others with WEAKER traits, that is, their traits hardly show up at all . . .. ) I believe the MAJORITY of "cusps" children have this certain quality behind their charts, because of the way the planets were aligned during the "cusps" transitions . . . But you are very welcome to have your own beliefs, just putting my views forward. =O)
Oh that will take 10 pages of writing. That will bore me to death to type it.
According to your birth time and place everyone is either one sign or the other. However, I have definitely noticed that those born in that cusp time frame tend to exhibit traits of both signs. I have a good friend who is an absolute Scorpio, b-day on Nov. 8. I also have a friend who's b-day is Nov. 20th on Scorp/Sag cusp, and he certainly exhibits many Sag traits. He is much more open and impulsive, and is happiest in his creative pursuits rather than career pursuits. The scorpio is there too, in his practical nature and his tendency to seek revenge when hurt, but the Sag influence just brings a certain lightness to him, as opposed to the intensity of my other Scorp friend.
Thanks so much STD and thank you very much Shadow for all that info. - gonna take me a little while to digest it all.....but interesting, so interesting:-)
A x
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Everything is relative. =O) It really does depend on your own beliefs . . . but I'll have to agree with the majority of professional astrolgers on this one, and say I still firmly believe there are no such things as "cusp" signs -- well, unless you are one of those RARE people that are born at the EXACT minute/degree a sun sign changes into another. But still; astrologer is based on DEGREES -- as said by someone else on another astrology community, there is no such thing as "in-between" degrees. If you were born 0 degrees in Aquarius, or 0 degrees in Pisces; you are still, one or the other. Including "cusps" into everything completely destroys a person's chart. =\
I don't think anyone can be both signs. I think anyone that claims to be both signs is like someone with, say, a Pisces Sun/Moon with a Scorpio Rising/Mercury/Venus/Mars (OK, that's not really possible, but hey, hypothetically! =P), that tells everyone they're a Scorpio, because they have more planets in Scorpio than in Pisces . . . that to me is just a bit, uh, stupid. ^^; They're forgetting the fundamental facts that the Sun is the CORE you . . . But again, that's my own belief . . . I guess I'm more susceptical to go along with the ideas of most professional astrologers. =O) (Not that I can't think on my own! ^^ I do a lot of theorising on my own, and I truly believe that there are no such things as cusps. =O))
What I'm getting at, is where does it end? There always has to be a definite line. Like, some people that believe in cusps, they say add or subtract 10 degrees . . . OK, if you do that, you'll have the Feb 19th-29th Fishes as Aquarius/Pisces, the March 1st-10th Pisces "true blue" Pisces and the March 11th-20th Pisces Pisces/Aries . . . So, only the people born in that middle 10 degrees can really consider them true Pisceans? I think not. There needs to be a line. It does not take the sun ten days (degrees) to go into another sign . . . only takes a minute. And if you weren't born on that exact minute, I'd be very dubious to call you a cusp child.
And remember, there are tonnes of people that are born in the "middle" that attribute certain qualities of the signs before or after them (and all around them) . . . why? They have those placements in their chart. What makes the "cusp" children so special? =O) I think everyone is special, but I don't believe anyone is more special than everyone else. =O) I don't think I need to throw in examples of people I know . . . I *know* for a fact that there are people that are born anywhere within a sign (start, middle, end, in-between, whatever) that DON'T portray very strong traits of their Sun Sign, but come across as a different sign entirely -- regardless of whether they were born on a cusp of not. So . . . what I'm saying is, if a Pisces born on the 5th of March (non-cusp child) portrays STRONG Aries influences, and ends up having an Aries Rising and Mars . . . let's shift this person to say they were born on the 20th of March . . . are we then going to go "oh he's a cusp child, THAT must be why he has Arian traits"? . . . Think about it. =O)
See, to me, people just say, "he was born on the Pisces/Aries cusp" to someone born on the 20th, but then when they meet someone born on the 5th, and he happens to be just as "firey" as the 20th born person, they can't use the excuse of "cusp" anymore . . . they'd need to see his chart to see that influence. JUST like they would need to see the 20th person's chart, because . . . could it be, cusps don't matter? =O)
Sea Siren: Have you looked at that Nov 20th person's chart? No Sagittarius whatsoever? Even in houses? . . . And remember, traits are NOT "specific" to a particular sign. You say he's open and impulsive? Say he has NO Sagittarius planets at all . . . are there any Aries or Leo planets? Or houses? They'd make him "open" and "impulsive" as well. And that certain "lightness" about him . . . are you sure that could ONLY be attri
I don't think anyone can be both signs. I think anyone that claims to be both signs is like someone with, say, a Pisces Sun/Moon with a Scorpio Rising/Mercury/Venus/Mars (OK, that's not really possible, but hey, hypothetically! =P), that tells everyone they're a Scorpio, because they have more planets in Scorpio than in Pisces . . . that to me is just a bit, uh, stupid. ^^; They're forgetting the fundamental facts that the Sun is the CORE you . . . But again, that's my own belief . . . I guess I'm more susceptical to go along with the ideas of most professional astrologers. =O) (Not that I can't think on my own! ^^ I do a lot of theorising on my own, and I truly believe that there are no such things as cusps. =O))
What I'm getting at, is where does it end? There always has to be a definite line. Like, some people that believe in cusps, they say add or subtract 10 degrees . . . OK, if you do that, you'll have the Feb 19th-29th Fishes as Aquarius/Pisces, the March 1st-10th Pisces "true blue" Pisces and the March 11th-20th Pisces Pisces/Aries . . . So, only the people born in that middle 10 degrees can really consider them true Pisceans? I think not. There needs to be a line. It does not take the sun ten days (degrees) to go into another sign . . . only takes a minute. And if you weren't born on that exact minute, I'd be very dubious to call you a cusp child.
And remember, there are tonnes of people that are born in the "middle" that attribute certain qualities of the signs before or after them (and all around them) . . . why? They have those placements in their chart. What makes the "cusp" children so special? =O) I think everyone is special, but I don't believe anyone is more special than everyone else. =O) I don't think I need to throw in examples of people I know . . . I *know* for a fact that there are people that are born anywhere within a sign (start, middle, end, in-between, whatever) that DON'T portray very strong traits of their Sun Sign, but come across as a different sign entirely -- regardless of whether they were born on a cusp of not. So . . . what I'm saying is, if a Pisces born on the 5th of March (non-cusp child) portrays STRONG Aries influences, and ends up having an Aries Rising and Mars . . . let's shift this person to say they were born on the 20th of March . . . are we then going to go "oh he's a cusp child, THAT must be why he has Arian traits"? . . . Think about it. =O)
See, to me, people just say, "he was born on the Pisces/Aries cusp" to someone born on the 20th, but then when they meet someone born on the 5th, and he happens to be just as "firey" as the 20th born person, they can't use the excuse of "cusp" anymore . . . they'd need to see his chart to see that influence. JUST like they would need to see the 20th person's chart, because . . . could it be, cusps don't matter? =O)
Sea Siren: Have you looked at that Nov 20th person's chart? No Sagittarius whatsoever? Even in houses? . . . And remember, traits are NOT "specific" to a particular sign. You say he's open and impulsive? Say he has NO Sagittarius planets at all . . . are there any Aries or Leo planets? Or houses? They'd make him "open" and "impulsive" as well. And that certain "lightness" about him . . . are you sure that could ONLY be attri
I usually do not contribute much to the boards, but today I feel particularly prolific.
Reading about cusps and not knowing what to believe is an exercise in futility. I am an actual cusp, so here are my two cents:
STD is definitely right. I was born 24 of August, and I am both Virgo and Leo. Also, I will be 33 next month, so I know what I am talking about.
My Virgo side:
1. Attention to detail.
2. Scrupulous planning.
3. I suffer over every major decision. I have to triple check my facts.
4. Very responsible.
5. Self-critical.
6. Will prolong a relationship at ANY cost.
My Leo side:
1. I am very generous and creative.
2. Others admire and respect me.
3. I refuse to give up on my dreams, no matter how high the cost, or impossible the odds.
4. Sometimes I am extremely mischievos and BOLD.
5. People who label me eat their words.
6. In business I am a fierce opponent, driven by something that defies LOGIC.
In general, though, STD nailed it. If you think that I am a humble, modest Virgo - you will be shocked by how proud, fiery and arrogant I can be. I also have the "leo roar". This actually scares and intimidates people who assumed that I am this nice, perfect gentleman, who you can walk all over.
Reading about cusps and not knowing what to believe is an exercise in futility. I am an actual cusp, so here are my two cents:
STD is definitely right. I was born 24 of August, and I am both Virgo and Leo. Also, I will be 33 next month, so I know what I am talking about.
My Virgo side:
1. Attention to detail.
2. Scrupulous planning.
3. I suffer over every major decision. I have to triple check my facts.
4. Very responsible.
5. Self-critical.
6. Will prolong a relationship at ANY cost.
My Leo side:
1. I am very generous and creative.
2. Others admire and respect me.
3. I refuse to give up on my dreams, no matter how high the cost, or impossible the odds.
4. Sometimes I am extremely mischievos and BOLD.
5. People who label me eat their words.
6. In business I am a fierce opponent, driven by something that defies LOGIC.
In general, though, STD nailed it. If you think that I am a humble, modest Virgo - you will be shocked by how proud, fiery and arrogant I can be. I also have the "leo roar". This actually scares and intimidates people who assumed that I am this nice, perfect gentleman, who you can walk all over.
well im one degree cancer, june22. i definitely have a lot of cancer in my chart but the gemini side is definitely there. i find it creates alot of turmoil for me, sometimes its like both sides are at odds with each other.
Sorry theshadow I didn't read your post.I already did that shes a libra and there isn't any scorpio in her charts or houses.Shes verbally cruel,stubborn to the point of being stupid,possisive and jealous which are not libra or any of the other signs in her charts traits.Hence the reason for my believing in cusps.
November 20th boy had his chart done once, so I called him out of curisoity. He has nothing in Sag. Rising sign is Libra with a Gemini moon. Doesn't explain his creativity, or his lightheartedness. In fact with a Scorp sun, and a Gemini moon that would normally indicate to me a very moody and changeable person, but he's just not. Always sunny and up for an adventure. lol so anyway..still believe that with cusp people there is some sort of merging that occurs. I've seen it too much to not believe it. I think some astrologers get to caught up in the "you're either one sign or you're not". If a rising or your moon sign, or any of the other positions can drastically affect your sun sign, I don't think it's that much of a stretch to believe that being born so close to another sign would engender traits of that sign as well.
Look at daily astrology forecasts for a second. The effects of an eclipse can continue to be felt up to several months later by certain signs. Same with Mercury Retrograde periods. The effects can be seen and felt up to two weeks before and two weeks after.
Yeah..I believe based on birth time you are one or the other technically, but you'll display characteristics of both.
Look at daily astrology forecasts for a second. The effects of an eclipse can continue to be felt up to several months later by certain signs. Same with Mercury Retrograde periods. The effects can be seen and felt up to two weeks before and two weeks after.
Yeah..I believe based on birth time you are one or the other technically, but you'll display characteristics of both.
wow sea siren,
i'm born november 20th, moon gemini, rising pisces.
a lot of what you say about your scorp friend is true for me, too. i'm creative, light-hearted and open and "happiest in his creative pursuits rather than career pursuits".
bags, i don't like to label people because they are born in the same time of year, but there are obvious similarities....
i thought november 20th was too far away from sag. to be in the cusp——
i'm born november 20th, moon gemini, rising pisces.
a lot of what you say about your scorp friend is true for me, too. i'm creative, light-hearted and open and "happiest in his creative pursuits rather than career pursuits".
bags, i don't like to label people because they are born in the same time of year, but there are obvious similarities....
i thought november 20th was too far away from sag. to be in the cusp——
Hi lizard scorp. It actually changes signs the next day on the 21st into Sag. so you're right there. I also have a relative who was born 19th of March, and she is the fieriest Pisces you've ever seen! I mean, I'm a Pisces too, but when I look at her, I just see full-on Aries in the way she carries and expresses herself. She has the sensitivity of a Pisces, but the hurt always comes out in a rage, and she doesn't care who is around. lol Most of us fishes tend to do our raging in private. Like I said, I've just seen too many people born near a cusp that diplay characteristics of the other sign as well as the sign they were technically born under. I think it definitely does have on affect on the personality traits.
speaking of which my little sister was born on the 20th and shes a little sweetie but shes also very mouthy,stubborn and c-o-c-k-y but thats also a good thing.during her interview for starting school,she was asked where she lived and she came back with a really huffy with "thats none of your buisness" she's only seven now so yeah it's a good thing and luckily the principal seen it as a good thing too.
sea siren,i like those aries. they're like kids. i don't know your friend, who is pisces but sometimes behaves like aries, but the aries i know are as you described it: express their emotions freely, spontaneously and extremely. when they're in a rage they're real furies, to say the least. like little children letting it all out, not thinking about the consequences. and i love them 🙂 when that happens i just think, it'll soon be over. and i don't mind picking up the pieces afterwards (they do literally throw and break things) because when they're done with the shouting, they'll love you again instantly, right the next second, as if nothing had happened.....
tiamat, your sister is born 20th? she must be cool then!!! like her attitude. i was extremely shy as a kid. now i'm shy only in certain situations.
i just discovered that we can only send 20 personal messages every 30 days. bags!
being a little bugger-terrorist, i've already used up my 20 for this month and can't reply to messages for the next few weeks.
my email address is: pal_hh@yahoo.de, just in case..............
tiamat, your sister is born 20th? she must be cool then!!! like her attitude. i was extremely shy as a kid. now i'm shy only in certain situations.
i just discovered that we can only send 20 personal messages every 30 days. bags!
being a little bugger-terrorist, i've already used up my 20 for this month and can't reply to messages for the next few weeks.
my email address is: pal_hh@yahoo.de, just in case..............
Oh oops guess I should have made that more clear the 20th of march shes a pisces/aries,so shes an aggressive pisces but it's all good.
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