Pisces sun Pisces moon questions

What is the best way to support a Pisces sun/moon when they are struggling?

Relationship is fine, but he’s struggling financially & has history of addiction/depression so some of that is going on too. But not complete depression yet. I’d like to be healthy support not unhealthy support. So not enabling. So interested on your input.

For more intimate relationships, I find Pisces avoid conflict or bothering people and you kind of have to pull it out of them to see what the issue is.

My stepdad is a Pisces Sun/Mars and he is notorious for beating around the bush and not getting to the point. If you're a stranger though, he seems to have no issue confronting.

....or, if you are not a pessimist, then triple the intensity of good aspects 😄

I'm sorry that your Pisces has potentially serious flaws, Roo. What was he addicted to, and is he over it? If he's not, give him an ultimatum: "It's me or your addiction". I'm Pisces sun and moon and tend to give myself ultimatums when I'm annoyed with my behaviour. I would like if someone close could join in...if the outcome is beneficial, why not? Tough love is still love.

As for the financial issues, don't give him any money. Money on itself has little value for a Pisces. Money he gets without having earned it has NO value whatsoever. Instead, talk to him about what he fears most if money are scarce, or he has debt to pay. Try to alleviate some of his fears, if you can. His depression may be caused by anxiety about some real or imaginary issues.

A Pisces man loves a strong woman. A Pisces moon man even more so!

Help with one of the steps in his financial issues, since things always stack up when you're struggling to pay bills. Car issues, dental issues, clothing, even a haircut.

Posted by Undine
....or, if you are not a pessimist, then triple the intensity of good aspects

I'm sorry that your Pisces has potentially serious flaws, Roo. What was he addicted to, and is he over it? If he's not, give him an ultimatum: "It's me or your addiction". I'm Pisces sun and moon and tend to give myself ultimatums when I'm annoyed with my behaviour. I would like if someone close could join in...if the outcome is beneficial, why not? Tough love is still love.

As for the financial issues, don't give him any money. Money on itself has little value for a Pisces. Money he gets without having earned it has NO value whatsoever. Instead, talk to him about what he fears most if money are scarce, or he has debt to pay. Try to alleviate some of his fears, if you can. His depression may be caused by anxiety about some real or imaginary issues.

A Pisces man loves a strong woman. A Pisces moon man even more so!

Yes ma’am the good is really good! He’s an alcoholic and was sober for 5 years and is trying to get back on the wagon. He has a history of sinking into the addiction when depressed. Yes he has anxiety also. When we started out, he came clean that he’d had a relapse for a few months & this is what got him here since he used up his cushion then. Has had some issues that have made it tough getting back on his feet. He told me then, you worry about yourself & I’ll worry about me. The issue was my prior life with an alcoholic and I ended up in a bad place. So he absolutely doesn’t want me to do that. He has not asked for money, but just a lot of things all at once have happened and made it hard. I try to be supportive, try to get him to think more positively. Pay for things when we go out as much as he lets me.. Anxiety is bad right now but talking about selling things etc. to make rent. I know I can’t just give him money, it creates enabling and we can’t go there. But I might hire him to do work we’ve already discussed. That’s possible. Right now I’m trying to let him figure it out. I wanted to give him time to get back on the wagon, do all the things he needs too & he wants that too. But, you know it’s not that simple. Especially when things keep going wrong.

Thanks for your post, it helps.

Posted by LuckyLibra7
For more intimate relationships, I find Pisces avoid conflict or bothering people and you kind of have to pull it out of them to see what the issue is.

My stepdad is a Pisces Sun/Mars and he is notorious for beating around the bush and not getting to the point. If you're a stranger though, he seems to have no issue confronting.

He does communicate quite a bit, but not when he is really having trouble. But always comes clean, and we do discuss. He’s Aries mars. A lot of truth in what you said. Thx.

Posted by Saturn_Returns
If you care for your sanity, don't bother.

Natives with the same sign in their sun AND moon can be too much to handle.

With the Pisces, TRIPLE the intensity of all the bad aspects about Pisces and that's what you're faced with.

Well also triple the good lol. Im hoping you end up being wrong, but we will see. Trying not to just be scared of things but face them. No one is perfect & certainly at my age it’s tough out there.

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Help with one of the steps in his financial issues, since things always stack up when you're struggling to pay bills. Car issues, dental issues, clothing, even a haircut.

Pride gets in the way of him accepting that, and I need to not enable him. I may have him do some work on my place so he can earn it though.

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Help with one of the steps in his financial issues, since things always stack up when you're struggling to pay bills. Car issues, dental issues, clothing, even a haircut.

Pride gets in the way of him accepting that, and I need to not enable him. I may have him do some work on my place so he can earn it though.

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Buy him a voucher or something, as a gift. Man if pride is in the way then he really isn't in the shit yet.

You need to pay bills whether or not money means much to you, money means everything to the rest of the world lmao. He's having financial problems, money means everything when you don't have it I don't give a fuck about astrology, money means more than astrology.

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Posted by Saturn_Returns
If you care for your sanity, don't bother.

Natives with the same sign in their sun AND moon can be too much to handle.

With the Pisces, TRIPLE the intensity of all the bad aspects about Pisces and that's what you're faced with.

Well also triple the good lol. Im hoping you end up being wrong, but we will see. Trying not to just be scared of things but face them. No one is perfect & certainly at my age it’s tough out there.

And you keep promoting that Sag optimism. 😉

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Lol so true.

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Posted by Saturn_Returns
If you care for your sanity, don't bother.
Natives with the same sign in their sun AND moon can be too much to handle.
With the Pisces, TRIPLE the intensity of all the bad aspects about Pisces and that's what you're faced with.

Well also triple the good lol. Im hoping you end up being wrong, but we will see. Trying not to just be scared of things but face them. No one is perfect & certainly at my age it’s tough out there.

Actually I notice that double Pisces tend to have more Aries qualities?

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He is last day of Pisces and Aries merc/mars lol he definitely has both. But more emotional/sensitive than an Aries sun ( like my ex husband)

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Help with one of the steps in his financial issues, since things always stack up when you're struggling to pay bills. Car issues, dental issues, clothing, even a haircut.

Pride gets in the way of him accepting that, and I need to not enable him. I may have him do some work on my place so he can earn it though.

Buy him a voucher or something, as a gift. Man if pride is in the way then he really isn't in the shit yet.

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Well he’s been there before, and having serious anxiety because he fears he’s close. He’s self-employed also.

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Help with one of the steps in his financial issues, since things always stack up when you're struggling to pay bills. Car issues, dental issues, clothing, even a haircut.

Pride gets in the way of him accepting that, and I need to not enable him. I may have him do some work on my place so he can earn it though.

Buy him a voucher or something, as a gift. Man if pride is in the way then he really isn't in the shit yet.

Well he’s been there before, and having serious anxiety because he fears he’s close. He’s self-employed also.

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I can relate, going through any kind of hit leaves a scar that hurts anytime something comes along.

The system will flop so he’s not alone as many self employed are going bust.

Can he refurbish his business model to include pharmaceuticals and biotech?

We all know those mfs became billionaires while everyone else went broke.

Health is wealth after all.

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You need to pay bills whether or not money means much to you, money means everything to the rest of the world lmao. He's having financial problems, money means everything when you don't have it I don't give a fuck about astrology, money means more than astrology.

This is also how leeching starts…

The fact that it’s not the guy’s first time encountering financial difficulties suggests that he might be struggling with financial planning and money management. Money would just be a temporary bandaid here, if that’s the case.

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It’s more complicated than that. But yes how enabling someone starts. He has not asked for any money at all btw.

Posted by neve
I think, unhealthy Pisces moon men are better off with Fire moon women.

Air moon women are the least likely of people i would ask help from. Not because they're not capable of giving or helping, it's just feel, awkward, you know...

I think it's because they're too nice and i would feel very guilty for involving them with my problems or letting them to deal with my demons.

Just my 2cent.

Why better off with fire moons? I’d think they’d be hurtful. He’s had enough of that in his life. Well I’m someone who has dealt with some of these things previously & I understand more than most - between my ex & my daughter. Perhaps that’s why he’s comfortable discussing things with me. We are not young. So life is a bit different at this age.

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You need to pay bills whether or not money means much to you, money means everything to the rest of the world lmao. He's having financial problems, money means everything when you don't have it I don't give a fuck about astrology, money means more than astrology.

This is also how leeching starts…

The fact that it’s not the guy’s first time encountering financial difficulties suggests that he might be struggling with financial planning and money management. Money would just be a temporary bandaid here, if that’s the case.

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Yeah but I'm just reacting to the pisces ladies who are all money doesn't matter even though it's clearly a money matter lmao. Financial issues can happen no matter how good you are with money too.

Posted by BadderBunny
There arent very many Pisces men on the board. I csn only speak as a Pisces sun woman. When I am going through I have to figure it out on my own. Be supportive and understanding, and let me handle it. I rather fix it myself.

Thanks 🙂 Guess I’m doing the right thing then.

Well took i took your advice @Undine I called him tonight and called him out on what’s going on, asked a bunch of questions and asking him what he wants. So he admitted where he is, and needs help to get out of the hole he’s built. But desperately wants out. Yes depression hole/drinking again. I was trying to let him figure it out, but he needed more than that. Like you said tough love.

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Well took i took your advice @Undine I called him tonight and called him out on what’s going on, asked a bunch of questions and asking him what he wants. So he admitted where he is, and needs help to get out of the hole he’s built. But desperately wants out. Yes depression hole/drinking again. I was trying to let him figure it out, but he needed more than that. Like you said tough love.

I wouldn't completely rule out financial help though. I think it can done if both of you signs a loan contract with details, conditions, and dates of repayment (basically a document you can take to court if he defaults on the loan).

He might not have the resources to get himself out of this hole.

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No throwing money at him does not solve this. He wouldn’t even let me give him work so he could earn it. It’s far more about his mental health and getting back to what worked before. He’s depressed it seems. The anxiety is out of control and needs to be managed. Part of this is accepting it instead of not facing it.

Just going for a long ass walk once or twice a week can do wonders for your mental health. I know it's a cliché but your body will make feel good chemicals.

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Well took i took your advice @Undine I called him tonight and called him out on what’s going on, asked a bunch of questions and asking him what he wants. So he admitted where he is, and needs help to get out of the hole he’s built. But desperately wants out. Yes depression hole/drinking again. I was trying to let him figure it out, but he needed more than that. Like you said tough love.

Well done! I don’t have experience with alcoholism, but with other addiction/ escapism like shopping. It usually starts as a reaction to some anxiety-inducing event and persists for as long as the issue does, sometimes longer. In his case, it could be the fear of going bust that made him relapse.

He should take any available help to get out of it. Drugs that make him sick if he drinks. Introduce him to Magnesium…such an underrated supplement! I was feeling edgy and rattled last evening due to some ongoing shit at work (I also have Aries Mars, there is a lot of internal fighting going on). I took two Mg tablets with some alcohol-free Guinness and then felt as relaxed as after walking on the beach!

As for his business, he may not be able to rescue it. Ask him to come up with plan B…C…even D…and discuss them together, so he won’t feel like a lone, desperate loser and gets a glimmer of hope that life could be good, that he and his skills may be required somewhere.

It’s tough, there is also Saturn in Pisces fucking with our lives atm, but we are resourceful people. Love, including tough love, is a powerful driving force for us. Good luck to you both!

Posted by Walk_on_by
Just going for a long ass walk once or twice a week can do wonders for your mental health. I know it's a cliché but your body will make feel good chemicals.

I totally agree. I do that quite often 🙂

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Just going for a long ass walk once or twice a week can do wonders for your mental health. I know it's a cliché but your body will make feel good chemicals.

I totally agree. I do that quite often 🙂

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Drag him along if he doesn't already.

Well he listened. He sounded much better on the phone this afternoon, getting his job trailer ready to leave for a couple of days of work. Thinking about what he needs to do to function better. So yay! Steps 🙂

REGULATE THEIR BAD DECISIONS, THEY WILL RUN RAMPANT IF LEFT ALONE LOL

Well things seem to be going a bit better, we ended up having some conversations that allowed him to accept a lifeline in terms of an advance for work. These conversations were more in the emotional realm, me & him and me reaching out my hand, he just needed to take it. He started working on stuff I needed to be done & a big project. Getting moving, staying busy, remembering you have value is SO important! Appreciation for the work you do is helpful too 🙂 It’s really the depression that is the problem, he has the ability to make the money & does great work.

Thanks all for your comments, it was just what I needed.

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Posted by NotALibra
Dump him
Who needs relationships that are full of problems

Why is it that you're like my reflection in mirror when it comes to views on things🤣 (P.S. did I manage to send you a message or do I don't know how to do that here lol)

@PuzzlePieces - doesn't it seem like you have a pattern of attracting men that need fixing? I mean, I'm happy for you if you're happy with him and the way he is but how come you somehow always end up with men that need some sort of fixing? Pisces sun plus Moon that struggles with depression sounds like a tough nut to break/handle with. Does he have any Earth in his chart?

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There are reasons. I’m stable & have my crap together financially. That’s attractive to people who don’t. Also I am kind, caring, understanding. Also attractive to people who’ve been treated badly. I’ve been through some crap so just the way I evolved to be okay instead of bitter. Also have a 23 yo daughter with chronic anxiety/depression issues who has done well so I’m understanding & just don’t push people away with those type of issues. I also was married to an alcoholic for 20 years. I understand not enabling is important, I understand what I cannot do, but I also understand there is more to a person than depression/alcoholism & the reality is it really depends on how much they are willing to face if it’s a possibility or not. My ex was not & is now dying. Also, at my age & my location there are lot of people with problems.. everybody has problems! so the key is are you facing them are you willing to? I have tried to find someone without these sort of problems.. then you find the real jerks or ones that are incompatible & bad fir me in other ways. So here I am seeing someone trying to fight for himself & doing a whole lot more than my ex ever did facing it, and understanding the issues but pride getting in the way, but accepting what he needs to do, who is the supportive type person I need for my issues & very compatible. It’s been awhile since I met someone so compatible and understands me & my shit.

Things are just not so black & white. You do the work & you really need someone who understands not someone who doesn’t. Usually these people have issues & have gone through stuff themselves.

Seems to be my life at this point… he is really good for me in some other ways btw.

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Posted by NotALibra
Dump him

Who needs relationships that are full of problems

Why is it that you're like my reflection in mirror when it comes to views on things🤣 (P.S. did I manage to send you a message or do I don't know how to do that here lol)
@PuzzlePieces - doesn't it seem like you have a pattern of attracting men that need fixing? I mean, I'm happy for you if you're happy with him and the way he is but how come you somehow always end up with men that need some sort of fixing? Pisces sun plus Moon that struggles with depression sounds like a tough nut to break/handle with. Does he have any Earth in his chart?

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Oh & he is Aries/Pisces placements. Earth only in more generational ones.

Pisces sun/moon/saturn

Aries mercury/mars.

Aquarius Venus

Jupiter Gemini

Virgo - Pluto/uranus

Scorpio-Neptune

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Posted by NotALibra
Dump him
Who needs relationships that are full of problems

Why is it that you're like my reflection in mirror when it comes to views on things🤣 (P.S. did I manage to send you a message or do I don't know how to do that here lol)
@PuzzlePieces - doesn't it seem like you have a pattern of attracting men that need fixing? I mean, I'm happy for you if you're happy with him and the way he is but how come you somehow always end up with men that need some sort of fixing? Pisces sun plus Moon that struggles with depression sounds like a tough nut to break/handle with. Does he have any Earth in his chart?

There are reasons. I’m stable & have my crap together financially. That’s attractive to people who don’t. Also I am kind, caring, understanding. Also attractive to people who’ve been treated badly. I’ve been through some crap so just the way I evolved to be okay instead of bitter. Also have a 23 yo daughter with chronic anxiety/depression issues who has done well so I’m understanding & just don’t push people away with those type of issues. I also was married to an alcoholic for 20 years. I understand not enabling is important, I understand what I cannot do, but I also understand there is more to a person than depression/alcoholism & the reality is it really depends on how much they are willing to face if it’s a possibility or not. My ex was not & is now dying. Also, at my age & my location there are lot of people with problems.. everybody has problems! so the key is are you facing them are you willing to? I have tried to find someone without these sort of problems.. then you find the real jerks or ones that are incompatible & bad fir me in other ways. So here I am seeing someone trying to fight for himself & doing a whole lot more than my ex ever did facing it, and understanding the issues but pride getting in the way, but accepting what he needs to do, who is the supportive type person I need for my issues & very compatible. It’s been awhile since I met someone so compatible and understands me & my shit.

Things are just not so black & white. You do the work & you really need someone who understands not someone who doesn’t. Usually these people have issues & have gone through stuff themselves.

Seems to be my life at this point… he is really good for me in some other ways btw.
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Oh I get it, I remember your story, that's why I wrote that. It surprised me that you would choose another man with issues after your experience. Tbh I would run for the hills at first sign after such rough experience. But I get that some people are just people fixers 🤷🏼‍♀️ my mom was like that, she literally fixed everyone everywhere she went but never cared for herself on the other hand. I really wish she did tho...but back to your story. I'm sure he has other qualities you value and that's why you're sticking around. But in the end Sag and Pisces are so incompatible that it's already hard enough to get on the same page of things in life, not to mention having to deal with troubled Pisces. They can be very hard to shake out of bad life situation cause that Neptunean draw to the depts of the sea can be so powerful...it takes some very strong personality not to fall for it. Not to mention biggest inclination to depression and addiction out of all signs

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Well I ran away from a few guys in the last 10 years, way too many with similar issues out there. I did have a rule of none of those types again. This guy has been in. AA and sober for 5 years and had a major relapse this year & the depression along with it. He’s trying to get back to that, it’s not like he has no clue about it. Compared to my ex who refused to deal with reasons he drank, go to AA etc. I’m much stronger now, I’ve dealt with a lot to heal. I’m not scared I’ll fall in the abyss again anymore. How I’m handling this is very different than I did with my ex. There is something about facing your shit instead of running from it. Anyway, right now I’m still here for him in a healthy way not an enabling way. He actually doesn’t want to need help, but is admitting it was bad. I’m hoping he is able to get back to where he was. Well I’m actually dominant Capricorn I.e. the stability. Sag sun is my only Sag. His Aries & my Sag connect. His Aqua Venus & my Aqua moon connect. He’s so much different than the Pisces I was with30+ years ago. I’m willing to see what happens & not just kick him to the curb.