FlyingBurritos80
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Your statement that just because a woman is pretty doesnt always mean she'll date goodlooking guys is accurate but to a point.
I would say 90% of attractive women are just as visual as men. But there is the 10% who are not. Let me elaborate further.
You'll rarely see a drop dead gorgeous woman attracted to an average guy based on personality alone. He may have some type of social status. Like, being a club promoter, athlete, ceo, drug dealer (she has a drug problem and he fits her needs), businessman, musician.
Yes, there are hot girls that will date barely average looking guys on personality without status or great finances. But again, its a rarity.
Let me tell you from personal experience, you can be confident and charming in approaching drop dead gorgeous women. But if she's sober, you're extremely average looking without some type of status to back it up, forget it.
I'll give you a scenario. Say a woman who looks like this - http://www.askmen.com/galleries/dawn-olivieri/picture-4.html<BR>
Walks into a club. An average looking dude with say a Will Ferrell or Jim Carrey personality approaches her. He isnt famous and has zero social status. The woman thinks hes fun and noncreepy enough to talk to. But then, a guy walks in the middle of their conversation who looks like this - http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2372308224/nm1694302.<BR>
He's not arrogant and also friendly to the guy. He engages them both in conversation. But at the same time not being funny or charming like the previous guy. But still nice and pleasant. What's most likely going to happen is the guy with the fun personality is going to get blown out. And she is either a. give her number to the other guy. b. go home with him. Finish next post...
I would say 90% of attractive women are just as visual as men. But there is the 10% who are not. Let me elaborate further.
You'll rarely see a drop dead gorgeous woman attracted to an average guy based on personality alone. He may have some type of social status. Like, being a club promoter, athlete, ceo, drug dealer (she has a drug problem and he fits her needs), businessman, musician.
Yes, there are hot girls that will date barely average looking guys on personality without status or great finances. But again, its a rarity.
Let me tell you from personal experience, you can be confident and charming in approaching drop dead gorgeous women. But if she's sober, you're extremely average looking without some type of status to back it up, forget it.
I'll give you a scenario. Say a woman who looks like this - http://www.askmen.com/galleries/dawn-olivieri/picture-4.html<BR>
Walks into a club. An average looking dude with say a Will Ferrell or Jim Carrey personality approaches her. He isnt famous and has zero social status. The woman thinks hes fun and noncreepy enough to talk to. But then, a guy walks in the middle of their conversation who looks like this - http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2372308224/nm1694302.<BR>
He's not arrogant and also friendly to the guy. He engages them both in conversation. But at the same time not being funny or charming like the previous guy. But still nice and pleasant. What's most likely going to happen is the guy with the fun personality is going to get blown out. And she is either a. give her number to the other guy. b. go home with him. Finish next post...
See, the thing that trips up some good looking guys is their arrogance. However if a studly looking guy isnt arrogant and actually friendly but boring a hot girl is going to let him slide on not being interesting.
I've seen my share of what would be considered passable looking guys with great personalities be overshadowed by the nice, boring hot guy with attractive women. In fact, the only times I've seen the average ones blow out the nice studs is because they are known to have some type of social status with women.
Let me tell you something about Mystery. Let's say women didnt know anything about his reputation ala never seen the pickup artist show or read the game. A majority of women would find him attractive if they didnt know. He doesn't necesarily need game to get with attractive women.
And Neil. he had to give himself a makeover to get ahead with women. i dont care how many negs, takeaways he would pull cause if he looked like his old self, those girls wouldnt bother with him.
In fact, most of the gurus with mystery and AFC Adam being the exceptions have rarely been seen actually dating model looking women. In fact, let me give you a tidbit on Adam. He used to be a club promoter in England. That was how he was able to pull a lot of attractive women in the first place. Plus he has an english accent. American women are suckers for english men. Two, his younger wife is only married him for the money and recognition his pua business brought him. She's pretty much a gold-digger based on her rep before marrying him. In fact, I give their marriage maybe two more years before she dumps him for the hot, nice basketball player.
Funny average looking dudes can pull hot girls if they're already famous. BUT, if they are not, forget about it. Attractive women are going to be drawn to status or wealth over good personality any day of the week.
I've seen my share of what would be considered passable looking guys with great personalities be overshadowed by the nice, boring hot guy with attractive women. In fact, the only times I've seen the average ones blow out the nice studs is because they are known to have some type of social status with women.
Let me tell you something about Mystery. Let's say women didnt know anything about his reputation ala never seen the pickup artist show or read the game. A majority of women would find him attractive if they didnt know. He doesn't necesarily need game to get with attractive women.
And Neil. he had to give himself a makeover to get ahead with women. i dont care how many negs, takeaways he would pull cause if he looked like his old self, those girls wouldnt bother with him.
In fact, most of the gurus with mystery and AFC Adam being the exceptions have rarely been seen actually dating model looking women. In fact, let me give you a tidbit on Adam. He used to be a club promoter in England. That was how he was able to pull a lot of attractive women in the first place. Plus he has an english accent. American women are suckers for english men. Two, his younger wife is only married him for the money and recognition his pua business brought him. She's pretty much a gold-digger based on her rep before marrying him. In fact, I give their marriage maybe two more years before she dumps him for the hot, nice basketball player.
Funny average looking dudes can pull hot girls if they're already famous. BUT, if they are not, forget about it. Attractive women are going to be drawn to status or wealth over good personality any day of the week.
Posted by FlyingBurritos80
In fact, most of the gurus with mystery and AFC Adam being the exceptions have rarely been seen actually dating model looking women. In fact, let me give you a tidbit on Adam. He used to be a club promoter in England. That was how he was able to pull a lot of attractive women in the first place. Plus he has an english accent. American women are suckers for english men. Two, his younger wife is only married him for the money and recognition his pua business brought him. She's pretty much a gold-digger based on her rep before marrying him. In fact, I give their marriage maybe two more years before she dumps him for the hot, nice basketball player.
Funny average looking dudes can pull hot girls if they're already famous. BUT, if they are not, forget about it. Attractive women are going to be drawn to status or wealth over good personality any day of the week.
haha my boyfriend is british and i remember the first time i heard him talk i thought it was the cutest thing id ever heard. i was attracted to him before i heard him speak though. the FIRST thing that i noticed when i met him was that he did an actual double take when i walked into the room. it was painfully obvious too and he got really embarrassed. the second thing i noticed was his height (i only like short guys). THEN i heard him talk lol. i dont know if this proves or disproves anything but i liked how uncomfortable and awkward i made him
Probably not as much as they did you Ian. But anyway, I'm really pissed off cause a friend of mine is checking into a mental facility for depression.
See the reason is he bought into the stuff the community gurus told him. He is 2 years younger than me and had his 1st girlfriend ever over a year ago. She was really drop dead hot and 22 years old. So as you can attest, she went for him based on his older guy status. They dated for 7 months. Till he found out she was seeing this younger college basketball player behind his back.
He took it pretty hard. And then he got wind of the community. And started going to every bootcamp, seminar imaginable. He totally bought into what the gurus were saying. He changed up his wardrobe and reinvented himself.
He would go out 5 nights a week and also during the day when he didnt work. After much dedication to studying the material, all he was getting ended up being flaky numbers. Or even nothing at all.
He started getting really depressed and didnt think he would ever get a girlfriend again. So he attempted to kill himself by oding on pills. His younger brother caught him in time so he could be sent to the hospital.
I am pissed off at him for attempting suicide over something that isnt important in the long run of things. Its these gurus Im mainly pissed off at. They sell this philosophy of "looks dont matter" to these lonely outcasts. And they always are putting out some new product like it's going to be this magical pill which solves guys problems in dealing with women.
These guys are getting taken by con artists. I would respect a guru that said "Looks do matter, and you have to work on that first before trying to get successful with attractive women." Instead they try to say "all you need is strong inner game" which is a load of crap.
If average guys want to be able to get attractive women they need to be realistic and do several things. Hit the gym and work on your body shape. Find out what the trendy new hair style s for men are that dont look too metrosexual. Or take the easy way out and bust your ass through college getting a business or accounting degree. Get a job on Wall Street or start a successful business. Then that may get beautiful women but for all the wrong reasons.
See the reason is he bought into the stuff the community gurus told him. He is 2 years younger than me and had his 1st girlfriend ever over a year ago. She was really drop dead hot and 22 years old. So as you can attest, she went for him based on his older guy status. They dated for 7 months. Till he found out she was seeing this younger college basketball player behind his back.
He took it pretty hard. And then he got wind of the community. And started going to every bootcamp, seminar imaginable. He totally bought into what the gurus were saying. He changed up his wardrobe and reinvented himself.
He would go out 5 nights a week and also during the day when he didnt work. After much dedication to studying the material, all he was getting ended up being flaky numbers. Or even nothing at all.
He started getting really depressed and didnt think he would ever get a girlfriend again. So he attempted to kill himself by oding on pills. His younger brother caught him in time so he could be sent to the hospital.
I am pissed off at him for attempting suicide over something that isnt important in the long run of things. Its these gurus Im mainly pissed off at. They sell this philosophy of "looks dont matter" to these lonely outcasts. And they always are putting out some new product like it's going to be this magical pill which solves guys problems in dealing with women.
These guys are getting taken by con artists. I would respect a guru that said "Looks do matter, and you have to work on that first before trying to get successful with attractive women." Instead they try to say "all you need is strong inner game" which is a load of crap.
If average guys want to be able to get attractive women they need to be realistic and do several things. Hit the gym and work on your body shape. Find out what the trendy new hair style s for men are that dont look too metrosexual. Or take the easy way out and bust your ass through college getting a business or accounting degree. Get a job on Wall Street or start a successful business. Then that may get beautiful women but for all the wrong reasons.
Posted by i love ewe
...the second thing i noticed was his height (i only like short guys). THEN i heard him talk lol. i dont know if this proves or disproves anything but i liked how uncomfortable and awkward i made him
so people buy these tips to pick up women?......oh my jesus..........tell ur friend to save up and go to australia people are really nice here and I'm pretty sure theyll fit his expectations + were real over here make u guys look as fake as press on nails.....Girls over here dont go for that crap....they see right through that shit. Its so weird chatting to americans i cant help but think of reality Tv when u guys write stuff.
this isnt real its scripted a girl would never be this stupid or pathetic on reality tv.......she did a cheerleading thingy when she was watching him do his surfing WTF?
OOOK, thought I'd check in before starting my weekend to do that good ole "you misunderstood me that is not what I meant, let me explain" dance.
First off, I'm not dissing women for being visual creatures. If you go back and look, all I said was "Women are just as visual as men are"
That's not a complaint from me, just a fact. What I was and am calling out is the Community's message that you dont need great looks nor any type of status - (older guy, promoter, wealthy businessmen, musician) to get highly attractive women. There is nothing with wrong women being visual in terms of attraction. If a man or woman take care of themselves, that is their right to have physical standards. So are we clear on that now?
And yes, there are women out there like Lauren who need mental attraction. But that's the minority and not the majority of attractive women. Again NOT a criticism, just the reality.
And Satori, when did I say anything about wanting to date hot chicks? I'm talking about my friend wanting to do that. Do I think he's stupid and foolish given he's average without really any type of status to compensate for it? Yes. But, as I've said in the past, it's not my place to tell him that. All I can do is be a good listener and support whatever decision/direction he makes regardless of how I truly feel.
Ian, I get that it's their job. But a lot of these guru's cross the line and really use highly persuasive forms of deception to lure these guys in. I dont mind these guys selling, just dont like the flat out lies to do it.
All this thread was slamming the community and the guys who get sucked into it.
First off, I'm not dissing women for being visual creatures. If you go back and look, all I said was "Women are just as visual as men are"
That's not a complaint from me, just a fact. What I was and am calling out is the Community's message that you dont need great looks nor any type of status - (older guy, promoter, wealthy businessmen, musician) to get highly attractive women. There is nothing with wrong women being visual in terms of attraction. If a man or woman take care of themselves, that is their right to have physical standards. So are we clear on that now?
And yes, there are women out there like Lauren who need mental attraction. But that's the minority and not the majority of attractive women. Again NOT a criticism, just the reality.
And Satori, when did I say anything about wanting to date hot chicks? I'm talking about my friend wanting to do that. Do I think he's stupid and foolish given he's average without really any type of status to compensate for it? Yes. But, as I've said in the past, it's not my place to tell him that. All I can do is be a good listener and support whatever decision/direction he makes regardless of how I truly feel.
Ian, I get that it's their job. But a lot of these guru's cross the line and really use highly persuasive forms of deception to lure these guys in. I dont mind these guys selling, just dont like the flat out lies to do it.
All this thread was slamming the community and the guys who get sucked into it.
Posted by ianthefish
the reality of the pua bullshit is its a business, just like any other business they want your money...
they target a certain group of people ("ugly socially awkward guy") just like any other business..
you cant hate the guys for profiting off of their business...
they gotta eat too..
Pretty much.
Is Dr. Love around? I made mince meat of that guy years ago.
And Damitri the Lover is the biggest joke going.
And the question stands, why is an average man entitled to an exceptional woman?
Posted by SatoriFierce
It seems like you are criticizing the women for only dating hot guys when all you and your friend want to do is date hot girls. Do you see the double-standard there?
hear! hear!
* I'm talking about my friend wanting to do that. Do I think he's stupid and foolish given he's average without really any type of status to compensate for it? Yes. But, as I've said in the past, it's not my place to tell him that. All I can do is be a good listener and support whatever decision/direction he makes regardless of how I truly feel.
Ahh gottcha. I misread.
I get what you are saying. My roommate has a friend (and possibly one of the only people I actively disliked) who is into this stuff. He will never, ever get laid. He is not an attractive man. He has no social skills at all. Basically, he has absolutely nothing to offer. The technique he was taught was to put down a girl so she will notice him. Strangely, this brilliant technique has never worked but it has pissed a lot of people off.
The sad thing is that before he really got into this, some girls did like him but they weren't "10s" so he didn't pay any attention to them or wasn't interested in them. As a result, he is a nearing 40, and has only had sex once in his life. He has let the chance of real happiness and a real fulfilling relationship pass him by.
Personally, I think it is because he is a chicken. He is using this to hide from real love and intimacy. He is so insecure that he thinks landing a "babe" will make him feel better about himself and prove his manlyness. Too bad life doesn't work that.
Kind of like the guys who can't get women and order brides from Asia or wherever saying that those girls don't want their money. Hello? You just bought yourself someone who is ONLY interested in your money.
The flaw in logic is shocking.
Ahh gottcha. I misread.
I get what you are saying. My roommate has a friend (and possibly one of the only people I actively disliked) who is into this stuff. He will never, ever get laid. He is not an attractive man. He has no social skills at all. Basically, he has absolutely nothing to offer. The technique he was taught was to put down a girl so she will notice him. Strangely, this brilliant technique has never worked but it has pissed a lot of people off.
The sad thing is that before he really got into this, some girls did like him but they weren't "10s" so he didn't pay any attention to them or wasn't interested in them. As a result, he is a nearing 40, and has only had sex once in his life. He has let the chance of real happiness and a real fulfilling relationship pass him by.
Personally, I think it is because he is a chicken. He is using this to hide from real love and intimacy. He is so insecure that he thinks landing a "babe" will make him feel better about himself and prove his manlyness. Too bad life doesn't work that.
Kind of like the guys who can't get women and order brides from Asia or wherever saying that those girls don't want their money. Hello? You just bought yourself someone who is ONLY interested in your money.
The flaw in logic is shocking.
I have to admit attraction is important to me. And looks, good feature, I do count at first impression.
I believe it's attraction that brings two together, but personality that keeps them together.
I remember in high school, gosh this gorgeouse dark, curly blonde with the charming smile and the accent! Super sweet, a bit shy, and great in school which shows off brains as much as looks. BUT though we came together, we didn't stay together! Why? His lack of confidents (because of his accent, being new to the country, which I was okay with, it's understandable. Personality. Point of view. Interests. We bonded as friends, and there was a slight spark and allot of attraction, I mean he is SO handsome! And his soft hazel eyes! But we couldn't click. Well, I wouldn't click. I didn't know how to reject him so every time he asked me out I'd say I'm busy and can't. Oh wait, wait, wait! Now I remember the main reason I lost all interest! Because he wasn't straight forword about us! He didn't say I like you and I'm interested or anything like that though it was written all over his face. He boy would blush! He was afraid to hold my hand! So... I guess I was tired of waiting for him to say what his intention were despite his sexy look.
But yea, looks and features are what start things for me. And style shows... style lol like if someone always wears black, bu-bye. Or pants all the way down to their knees, never ganna happen buddy, you can have the bling and packs, but pshhh! So that's part of looks. Confidents as well. If someone's walking with their head down and back bent, that's unatractive and shows lack of confidents.
I believe it's attraction that brings two together, but personality that keeps them together.
I remember in high school, gosh this gorgeouse dark, curly blonde with the charming smile and the accent! Super sweet, a bit shy, and great in school which shows off brains as much as looks. BUT though we came together, we didn't stay together! Why? His lack of confidents (because of his accent, being new to the country, which I was okay with, it's understandable. Personality. Point of view. Interests. We bonded as friends, and there was a slight spark and allot of attraction, I mean he is SO handsome! And his soft hazel eyes! But we couldn't click. Well, I wouldn't click. I didn't know how to reject him so every time he asked me out I'd say I'm busy and can't. Oh wait, wait, wait! Now I remember the main reason I lost all interest! Because he wasn't straight forword about us! He didn't say I like you and I'm interested or anything like that though it was written all over his face. He boy would blush! He was afraid to hold my hand! So... I guess I was tired of waiting for him to say what his intention were despite his sexy look.
But yea, looks and features are what start things for me. And style shows... style lol like if someone always wears black, bu-bye. Or pants all the way down to their knees, never ganna happen buddy, you can have the bling and packs, but pshhh! So that's part of looks. Confidents as well. If someone's walking with their head down and back bent, that's unatractive and shows lack of confidents.
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Basically you dont need that much finesse with women if you look like a model. And the only skill he had was not to be cocky in front of her, show a little interest, then be aloof and then slight interest again. The crap these leaders of the community spit out to poor average guys is sick. Yeah, in some cases, looks dont matter vbut that is f you have money and status. If you're an average guy wanting to hook up with an above average looking woman and you dont have that forget it.
Sorry I am just sick of these PUA gurus scamming guys out of money.