theres no middle ground.. Aries male/ sag fem

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Hi so..

I love this Aries! and he loves me too! I know we have a very deep conection..

He is very jealous.. we broke up.. there are things that we both did to lose out trust.. so theres no trust now both ways.. more him actually
he is convinced I cheated on him with (not one but several guys) and I have tried to convince him that is not true.. but I havent been able to..

We are not together anymore.. he was calling and texting like crazy before (literally), he stopped (said he realized how unhealthy) so I gave him time.. and now I found myself doing most of the initial contact. he tells me he still loves me, he hasnt been with any other woman, and he doesnt want to for now,

but we cant be together cause he doesnt want to be sitting at work worrying on what I may be doing (insecurity, jealousy)
so I give up, I didnt text him or call for a little over 24 hours.. and he throws a fit calling and texting like crazy accusing me and being mean.. Once we talk again and reassure him I havent found anybody it rests again..


please tell me if you think we still have a chance.. I know if he wanted to we could make it, even if we go to counseling!

what do you guys think I should do in order to bring down that wall he has and make him feel safe again (he told me he was scared)
he's also very focused on work right now.. he tries to be like that so he has no room to be thinking abt stuff..

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Sag male here. You'd have a chance if he can get over his selfish/attention getting ways. Aries' love attention. I dated one briefly and that was the deal breaker. The zodiac says that we're soulmates and it's an ideal match, but like all relationships, it boils down to how evolved a person is. My advice? Leave. Tell him that you deserve to be treated better and if he can't realize that, then you to have nothing else to say. Do not initiate contact. Do not jump to his phone calls right away and answer on your own time. You make him a priority by doing that, which is what he wants. Make him chase you. When you do talk, be kinda cold or indifferent. You have to make him realize what he has lost and hopefully he will. Good luck
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A couple more things. We Sags don't like to be alone. You have to manage and control that by living your life and doing you. Fill your time with other things. Also, watch your words carefully. We can be blunt and too truthful, which will hurt others. Also, temper yourself. We're fire signs and full of passion. We also, can be too accomodating. Know when to compromise or when to stand your ground. If he doesn't step up, it's his loss.
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I'm not a sag or an aries...but I used to have days with my bf where I was so jealous beyond belief...in my mind, he cheated....

its happened about 3 times now...where I just got so paranoid...even he could not believe or understand what was going on.
I, as a cap, who is crazy possessive...am trying to change. I stopped going on about other women...because I was how much it hurt us and drove us apart...in the end, we were miserable, and the women I was so convinced really liked him did nothing wrong. But at the time, I was so convinced. I love him, and this crazy obsession got us nowhere...so I'm throwing it out the window. Everytime I feel a surge of jealousy and mistrust coming on...I show him a little more love. When I'm getting crazy paranoid...I tell him I love him, and I remember why I'm not going down that dark road again.

Aries guy is crushed...he is convinced u cheated. His ego took a huge knock...u need to let him know what this is doing to your relationship...he's sinking you in a ship and crying about it. Let him know that he's driving a wall between you two, dragging you through the mud. A simple ultimatum. He mans up and stops with the paranoia, or u walk out of his life for good. Let him know that a relationship cannot make anyone happy if there's no trust. And work on it...but u need to be firm. If he senses any weakness,he'll use it against u.

He'll try the 'oh so now u really want to get rid of me?? I thought u loved me...?'he'll try anything. You need to make him snap out of it. Your world does not revolve around him. He needs to know.
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Posted by leilaxxlovez
I'm not a sag or an aries...but I used to have days with my bf where I was so jealous beyond belief...in my mind, he cheated....

its happened about 3 times now...where I just got so paranoid...even he could not believe or understand what was going on.
I, as a cap, who is crazy possessive...am trying to change. I stopped going on about other women...because I was how much it hurt us and drove us apart...in the end, we were miserable, and the women I was so convinced really liked him did nothing wrong. But at the time, I was so convinced. I love him, and this crazy obsession got us nowhere...so I'm throwing it out the window. Everytime I feel a surge of jealousy and mistrust coming on...I show him a little more love. When I'm getting crazy paranoid...I tell him I love him, and I remember why I'm not going down that dark road again.

Aries guy is crushed...he is convinced u cheated. His ego took a huge knock...u need to let him know what this is doing to your relationship...he's sinking you in a ship and crying about it. Let him know that he's driving a wall between you two, dragging you through the mud. A simple ultimatum. He mans up and stops with the paranoia, or u walk out of his life for good. Let him know that a relationship cannot make anyone happy if there's no trust. And work on it...but u need to be firm. If he senses any weakness,he'll use it against u.

He'll try the 'oh so now u really want to get rid of me?? I thought u loved me...?'he'll try anything. You need to make him snap out of it. Your world does not revolve around him. He needs to know.



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Thank you do much for the advice!!

@ DMV. He is 29 -
As far as I know he's only had 2 other serious girlfriends.. One was a college gf but was short.
The other one lasted 6 years. From what everybody says she was a super jealous!!
No wonder he thinks that you show love thru intense emotional fits of jealousy..

We haven't texted or called.. I am not going to look for him anymore.
But I think he will contact me again like ii told you in initial post asking a lot of questions

Who I've met?
Have I seen anybody.? Kissed. Etc
In the past he drops interest when he gets answers.
So any advice how to not reply unless we actually sit down to talk? And then tell him everything you suggested?

I agree 100% with all of the posts.. I do not like to be alone. And worst part is waiting to see what happens.
I need to know and I need it to happen now.. But I guess I have to learn..
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Posted by chicksag
Thank you do much for the advice!!

@ DMV. He is 29 -
As far as I know he's only had 2 other serious girlfriends.. One was a college gf but was short.
The other one lasted 6 years. From what everybody says she was a super jealous!!
No wonder he thinks that you show love thru intense emotional fits of jealousy..

We haven't texted or called.. I am not going to look for him anymore.
But I think he will contact me again like ii told you in initial post asking a lot of questions

Who I've met?
Have I seen anybody.? Kissed. Etc
In the past he drops interest when he gets answers.
So any advice how to not reply unless we actually sit down to talk? And then tell him everything you suggested?

I agree 100% with all of the posts.. I do not like to be alone. And worst part is waiting to see what happens.
I need to know and I need it to happen now.. But I guess I have to learn..



As far as his bouts of emotional jealousy, Aries are known for that. Some are better able to control it than others. What to do next? I know it's tough for us because we want answers now, but you have to be patient and wait. Do not break of contact completely, but as I said before, answer on your own terms. When you talk or text, be indifferent or show no concern. This will make him rethink his conclusions. Resist him, the more you do, the more he will chase you. Hopefully, he will seer where he screwed up and change. Also, I know that you need to know and want things to happen now, but you can't FORCE things to happen. It is a huge turn off and makes you seem crazy, desperate, or irrational. We Sags ate known for our impatience a d tempers as well. You have to let things develop. Be patient. Don't force things. I know that we won't to know the truth and want things to work now but it takes time. Be calm and even tempered. If he doesn't step up, it's his loss. You're a very attractive woman and I'm sure you can find another lover 🙂
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@beautifulsoul74
Thank you so much again... It's like you know me better that my own friends

It is so hard to be patient and wait.. Not knowing kills me.
Regardless of what the outcome would be Id rater know now than live wondering

It was almost like an obsession.. I wanted to know

Right now i find myself calm.. I guess I can now stop thinking about it.
I couldn't see us not being together again.. Now I guess I can see that as a possibility- not that I'd want it
But more like if it comes to that I'd have to accept it

I still love him tho.

And I did get crazy, desperate and he of course backed off..
I did too.. So I think I ruined the chances he'd come back..



@LeoVirgoGirl
I read Venus in Taurus and it doesn't really sound like him.. Not sure how it works maybe the time of birth he gave me was not accurate?
Does this aspect rely on time or day?
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chicksag: you're welcome!
I know about you're situation because I'm going through the exact same thing with my libra ex. It got kinda crazy at the end too. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that she's going through a divorce. We were friends for years and decided to date shortly after she filed. The first three months were...indescribable. It was indeed true love. Peace, harmony, we were the perfect fit. Then, I noticed her backing off. Communication slowed etc then we had a disagreement and it went downhill from there. Amidst the confusion, I never showed any anger, and I tried to be as patient as I could because I knew she was going through a divorce. But, with our trust being broken, things got worse rapidly. Things were said and we went our separate ways. I have talked to her and texted a couple of times trying to get answers. Her responses were vague and needless to say I still have questions.

She acknowledged a deep spiritual connection between us, and that she still loved and cared for me deeply. But yet, she doesn't initiate any contact and she has been mean and cruel to me. This in the midst if her wanting us to continue a friendship. She said that anything is possible but she doesn't see us getting together again because of who we are. Like you, I'm sitting here hoping to get that phone call from someone we love wanting to give it another chance. My mind says it won't happen but my heart still hangs on. I too don't want to wander through life wandering what could've been. She initiated contact a little, but I think I chased her away again with questions about us and thus confirming her conclusions. I don't know. All I can do is pray to God that she gives us another chance. Until then, the search continues...
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chicksag: you're welcome!
I know about you're situation because I'm going through the exact same thing with my libra ex. It got kinda crazy at the end too. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that she's going through a divorce. We were friends for years and decided to date shortly after she filed. The first three months were...indescribable. It was indeed true love. Peace, harmony, we were the perfect fit. Then, I noticed her backing off. Communication slowed etc then we had a disagreement and it went downhill from there. Amidst the confusion, I never showed any anger, and I tried to be as patient as I could because I knew she was going through a divorce. But, with our trust being broken, things got worse rapidly. Things were said and we went our separate ways. I have talked to her and texted a couple of times trying to get answers. Her responses were vague and needless to say I still have questions.

She acknowledged a deep spiritual connection between us, and that she still loved and cared for me deeply. But yet, she doesn't initiate any contact and she has been mean and cruel to me. This in the midst if her wanting us to continue a friendship. She said that anything is possible but she doesn't see us getting together again because of who we are. Like you, I'm sitting here hoping to get that phone call from someone we love wanting to give it another chance. My mind says it won't happen but my heart still hangs on. I too don't want to wander through life wandering what could've been. She initiated contact a little, but I think I chased her away again with questions about us and thus confirming her conclusions. I don't know. All I can do is pray to God that she gives us another chance. Until then, the search continues...
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Posted by rockyroadicecream
Uh, what exactly did you do to violate his trust? I like how BS74 is ignoring this little tidbit in all the advice he gives.

Not excusing the behavior of the Aries, but I find it interesting that you haven't elaborated on how you violated eachother's trust. There are 2 sides to the story and all you've shared is yours.



As far as the "advice" I'm giving, Im only going by the information that was given in the beginning of the topic. Who knows what she did. I can only go by what she says happened. Apparently, if something more was done on her part than what she has expressed, then the advice doesn't apply. Honestly, having dated a couple of Aries and knowing them, what she says happened is more likely the case. Just trying to help.
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Your expertise is based off of a couple of Aries?

By all means, you ARE the master! 😉

As an Aries, I'd like to know what she did. The guys are a different creature, but it could be one of 2 things- she screwed up the trust quite a bit and he's turned on the ice, or he's a dick. The ice can also be confused with as being a dick. But if she, in usual Sag fashion, is going to defer all responsibility and blame on to him, she may not understand the difference between the two (again, why I asked what SHE did). I know once I've been screwed over and my trust has been violated, the ice goes up and I can be the meanest bitch you know. Just sayin'.
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Posted by rockyroadicecream
Your expertise is based off of a couple of Aries?

By all means, you ARE the master! 😉

As an Aries, I'd like to know what she did. The guys are a different creature, but it could be one of 2 things- she screwed up the trust quite a bit and he's turned on the ice, or he's a dick. The ice can also be confused with as being a dick. But if she, in usual Sag fashion, is going to defer all responsibility and blame on to him, she may not understand the difference between the two (again, why I asked what SHE did). I know once I've been screwed over and my trust has been violated, the ice goes up and I can be the meanest bitch you know. Just sayin'.
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Aw, you're precious. No, really. I'd think that by your age, you'd learn a bit more common sense when it comes to these things, especially on this forum. Irrelevant? If you think that the point I brought up was irrelevant, then you have a whole hell of a lot more to learn in regard to dating and relating, ESPECIALLY with the people on this forum. You'll start to notice a trend with the self victimizing stories. Pay attention. It's interesting.

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Awww, you mentioned my age. How quaint. I've seen some of your post on other forums and you'd think that you'd learn by now that people don't really pay attention to your opinions...and YOU. I hoped that by now you'd realize that you can't force anybody to do anything. You're the only one who is obsessed with the details of some random strangers self victimization...as you put it. Noticed that she or no one else has responded...because everyone else has moved on...but you. Sorry God of War, but you lost this one.
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Awww, you mentioned my age. How quaint. I've seen some of your post on other forums and you'd think that you'd learn by now that people don't really pay attention to your opinions...and YOU. I hoped that by now you'd realize that you can't force anybody to do anything. You're the only one who is obsessed with the details of some random strangers self victimization...as you put it. Noticed that she or no one else has responded...because everyone else has moved on...but you. Sorry God of War, but you lost this one.
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My point, your point is irrelevant simply because most know that you're only gonna get what a person tells you. If she doesn't tell what she did(which she actually does, pay attention), so what?! It doesn't matter. We give our advice based on what's given and she either follows it or she doesn't. The fact that you're sitting here trying to call out someone demonstrates your age...and it ain't very high. You act as if your opinions/observations are the only ones that are right/correct and then you revert to kindergarten insults when someone challenged you. Further demonstrating your age. Get over it and move on.
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Posted by beautifulsoul74
My point, your point is irrelevant simply because most know that you're only gonna get what a person tells you. If she doesn't tell what she did(which she actually does, pay attention), so what?! It doesn't matter. We give our advice based on what's given and she either follows it or she doesn't. The fact that you're sitting here trying to call out someone demonstrates your age...and it ain't very high. You act as if your opinions/observations are the only ones that are right/correct and then you revert to kindergarten insults when someone challenged you. Further demonstrating your age. Get over it and move on.




@beautifulsoul74 i Completely agree.. I couldnt log in before.. a error 400 would come up.. and my email notifications are not working.. 😢 I sent a email to support.. but havent heard from them..

rockyroadicecream.. if my question was not clear enough of if you cant trust it enough then simply dont respond at all..
nobody asked you specifically; this is a open question and whoever wants to answer can do so.. I will consider all the answers.. I just ask that if you do not want to help then stay out of it.
I don't know.. maybe use that energy to create your own post about your "self victimized" thoughts and beliefs..
and if I were to sit here and type all the little details.. would that make it more believable? It be a long post.. and
BUT his side of the story will still be missing.. all the posts in dxp are missing the other side of the story..

ps.. I never said what he did to lose my trust either.. and I am not blaming him.. I am sincerely trying to get GOOD advice to work on the relationship..
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My point, your point is irrelevant simply because most know that you're only gonna get what a person tells you. If she doesn't tell what she did(which she actually does, pay attention), so what?! It doesn't matter. We give our advice based on what's given and she either follows it or she doesn't. The fact that you're sitting here trying to call out someone demonstrates your age...and it ain't very high. You act as if your opinions/observations are the only ones that are right/correct and then you revert to kindergarten insults when someone challenged you. Further demonstrating your age. Get over it and move on.




@beautifulsoul74 i Completely agree.. I couldnt log in before.. a error 400 would come up.. and my email notifications are not working.. 😢 I sent a email to support.. but havent heard from them..

rockyroadicecream.. if my question was not clear enough of if you cant trust it enough then simply dont respond at all..
nobody asked you specifically; this is a open question and whoever wants to answer can do so.. I will consider all the answers.. I just ask that if you do not want to help then stay out of it.
I don't know.. maybe use that energy to create your own post about your "self victimized" thoughts and beliefs..
and if I were to sit here and type all the little details.. would that make it more believable? It be a long post.. and
BUT his side of the story will still be missing.. all the posts in dxp are missing the other side of the story..

ps.. I never said what he did to lose my trust either.. and I am not blaming him.. I am sincerely trying to get GOOD advice to work on the relationship..
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For a while, I was getting that same message and for some reason the pages load slowly. I thought maybe it was my iPad, but now I see it's their servers. As for what was said, I actually thought it was funny. I guess she took it personally. Whenever someone criticizes or attacks Sags, I don't get offended at all because we are individuals. Some people take things too seriously and that's unfortunate. While what happened before is important, you don't need every single detail to gauge what happened and to give advice. At the end of the day, who knows what will happen. While we all want to restore the love we lost, it takes that oth
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I was having the same problem with the servers as well.

As for the comments, I actually thought they were quite entertaining although it seems she/he took it a little personal. On this site, it is automatically assumed that the person is only going to give the details they want to give. You will probably never know what actually happened or all of the details. They give their stories and you give the device based on what they tell you. They take that advice and fill in the blanks and either use it or take another course of action. They know the situation best...not us. Trying to force or badger them into giving more details is simply annoying and counterproductive and most people realize that and don't bother trying. At the en of the day, whether you have another chance is really up to fate or that person. While we want to restore the love we lost, it is up to that person's level of forgiveness and one or both of you changing. While I would like another chance with my Libra ex, I have accepted the fact that I have to move on and I simply may not get another. We're barely friends now. Some have told me to pursue her, some have told me to move on and forget her and maybe fate will bring us back together. That, in essence, is the hard part for us Sags...not knowing because we are so obsessed with knowledge an truth. Hopefully, you'll get another chance and so will I. But I can't wait for that. God will either make it happen or he'll send someone else.