Would a Sag man consider this game playing?

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I met a Sag man a couple of months ago, and it was one of those awesome chance meetings where you instantly feel like you're best friends. We get along great, have so much fun together, but there's also a very, VERY intense sexual side to our relationship. We're both insanely attracted to each other. We haven't actually fooled around yet, though, just a lot of dirty texting, and we both keep saying how we just need to do it ASAP.

However, thanks to the current Venus retrograde transiting my 7th house, I've been doing a lot of thinking about my past relationships. I've noticed that I tend to allow the sexual aspect too quickly... not in that I put out too easily, but I do have a high sex drive and have no problem discussing sexual topics intellectually. Obviously, this makes it weird in what are supposed to be platonic friendships with guys and is probably one of the reasons why it is so difficult for me to keep a potential romantic partner. I'm trying to fix this behavior pattern and make sure the signals I'm putting out are in sync with what I want in a relationship.

So, if I told this guy that I think it would be best for us to wait, despite previously telling him how much I wanted it, would he interpret that as me trying to play games or being too much of a tease? I think he would understand considering I'm still a virgin and 4 years younger than him (he's 23, I'm 19). I'm just a little bothered by the fact that he'll take a girl from Tinder on a date, but he won't take me--someone he actually knows he gets along with and is very attracted to--on a date, and there is a part of me that hopes that he'll try harder once he knows it's not guaranteed. He also has a Gemini moon and Scorpio Venus, so I understand his need for variety in general, but I'm afraid that actually telling him I want him to take me on a date would make him feel restricted or something. Thoughts?
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Posted by MagicPowas
I've been in your shoes before. You need to learn to control those sexual urges and learn to intellectually communicate on another level or topic. These days guys cannot tell the difference between sexually stimulated in an intellectual way vs a slut vs a fwb vs a bad girl. They will just place you in the same category (and then deal with the confusion behind it all). I say just know your worth out rightly ask for what you want. If you don't he may think you're spineless and continue to walk all over you (and he won't notice the great or even good things about you).The worst he can say is no and the best you can do is move on. Lots and lots of fish in the sea!
i agree. i know a sag where his constant porn watching for 20 years has just ruined his ability to be intimate. he thinks all women are dirty sluts. its sad really. no way to connect to him. hes like an emotional zombie/robot. the garbage dump known as porn can ruin men fo sho.
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Thanks for all the advice so far!

I know that he'll appreciate my honesty and straightforwardness if I just tell him that I feel I deserve to be treated a certain way. I'm just not sure how to go about doing it. My moon is in Sag, so I feel like divulging all that info about me reevaluating my relationships would be too emotional and would make him feel like I'm too serious too soon, even if I'm being completely honest with him... do y'all agree?

I don't know, there's something about trying to keep a Sag that makes me feel like I can't be honest and it's so frustrating! Maybe it's my Sag moon and Aries Venus, both of which make me jump into things too quickly, but I KNOW that I like him and want him, and all the waiting around for him to chase me (which does work) makes me impatient. Part of me wants to be like "Look, I like you, and I can tell you like me, so I need you to really act like it."

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Also, based on our synastry and composite charts, I don't think he'll be going away any time soon. We have a lot of binding aspects.

Synastry:
His Sun conjunct my Moon
His Pluto square my Sun
His Moon opposite my Pluto
His Sun square my Saturn
His Saturn sextile my Venus
His Saturn conjunct my Uranus and Mercury
His Pluto trine my Saturn

Composite:
Sun conjunct Venus, Mars, Uranus, Neptune (in order of tightest orb)
Sun sextile Pluto
Venus conjunct Mars, Uranus, Neptune
Venus sextile Pluto
Saturn square Pluto
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"he'll take a girl from Tinder on a date"

He is 23. This kind of dating (the original meaning of dating) is nothing important. He is just exploring the world.

You seem to be a serious case. This has paralyzed him. I just say, how do I know?

" telling him I want him to take me on a date would make him feel restricted or something."
You both have Pluto issues. Partly good (trine to Sat), partly bad (square Sun and Opposite Moon). As a fixed sign you might come across as dominant. But you have to try it. How else can you know it? Good news are the Saturn and Uranus aspects.

Ask him, "what with us?" and tell him, "I'm that kind of girl who wants to be a gf for your 20ies. Not for a summer". That is you talk about your principles and standards, you don't aim to reign over him. And with letting the 30ies out of scope you respect your Aqua drive for freedom and respond to men's fear to die early under the burdon of commitment.

But all that is nonsense if your background culture does not agree to separate the 30ies from the 20ies.

Composite chart looks good but is applicable to the relationship after it is established.
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Posted by MagicPowas
I've been in your shoes before. You need to learn to control those sexual urges and learn to intellectually communicate on another level or topic. These days guys cannot tell the difference between sexually stimulated in an intellectual way vs a slut vs a fwb vs a bad girl. They will just place you in the same category (and then deal with the confusion behind it all). I say just know your worth out rightly ask for what you want. If you don't he may think you're spineless and continue to walk all over you (and he won't notice the great or even good things about you).The worst he can say is no and the best you can do is move on. Lots and lots of fish in the sea!

Not to forget there is nothing intellectual about sex to talk about.

If it is for fun, the IG is full of it. If it is for information, you learn and later you learn even better with your bf.

I don't see a point to talk dirty with Mr. x from channel y. if it's not your intimate partner. even that is not a matter of digital media. the poor youngsters of this generation have been left alone for too long with the media. couds over clouds.
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"He is 23. This kind of dating (the original meaning of dating) is nothing important. He is just exploring the world. You seem to be a serious case. This has paralyzed him. I just say, how do I know?"

I've been thinking the same thing. A week ago he told me he deleted his Tinder, saying he was tired of "bottom bitches" haha. When I asked him why he deleted it a few days later, he didn't answer my question. He just said he got it back because it was entertaining, and since then he's been complaining to me about how boring the girls are on there. Maybe I'm reading into it too much, but maybe he's realizing he wants something a little more serious?

I don't see how I've paralyzed him, though... He was a typical Sag in the beginning, very friendly, flirty, and forward (and also very sweet when he found out I had caught the flu), but everything has been feeling so static for the past month. Like he told me I was "a total catch" but hasn't acted on it by asking me out, which makes absolutely no sense to me. Why spend all the energy for nothing?! Now that I think of it, things began slowing down when Venus went retrograde, so that may be the problem, but I still can't tell.

I think all the Saturn aspects in our synastry may have something to do with it as well, like they're acting as restrictions or barriers to shape how the relationship develops. He told me our age difference doesn't bother him at all; I can definitely tell he enjoys teaching me things (conjunct my Mercury), and I sometimes get a protective vibe from him (sextile to my Venus). Saturn represents time and discipline, so maybe he wants to (consciously or unconsciously) take things slow.
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I read Saturn in synastry in another way than you did. It does not put boundaries. The aspect shows how one's behavior within his structures/disciplin interacts with another characteristic of his partner.
Let me give you an example:
His Saturn sextile my Venus
How good or bad his standards are he has your support by the way you communicate your love to others including him.

His Pluto trine my Saturn
His controling behavior is acceptable within the value system you have.

His Saturn conjunct my Uranus and Mercury
Your way of thinking and reacting to changes comply with his way standards/structures. This would be valid even if you both were hippies and had no structures in your life. Cause that would be a good match too.
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well, you did not paralyzed him. He got paralyzed by the thought that he is near to a big catch. With unimportant catches he has an easy game.

Let me tell you story about myself.
Last week I went out. There was a guy I liked in the first glance. He seemed to be introverted. He was alone and far from the crowd. Then another guy came to me and start talking to me. This one was an extrovert and turned out to be a Gemini. I did not do a thing to get rid of the extroverted guy and I missed the point that the other guy was watching us. I was not too friendly to the Gemini. But if I were aware of how expensive my acceptance was, I would have sure sent him to the hell.

The introverted guy (I call him my Pisces) let the party after five minutes and I did not see him again.

The more serious case paralized me and I offered my time to somebody I did not like at all. God punished me by letting me know that the Gemini guy was a married man. He was there without his wife. A disgusting experience based on my wrong friendliness.

If I am going to go out more often I'll be choosy and reject to talk to those whom I don't like at all.