I posted this in Relationships & Astrlogy first but got directed to post it here as it might be more helpful.
Ok, I guess I should start off with a little bit of background information on my situation.
Almost 2 years ago I met this certain Scorpio guy, we had a connection/attraction almost immediately. We started seeing each other but I think he started to distance himself and I felt he was no longer interested. He moved away and had a short lived relationship with a different woman.
He is now back in the area and we are speaking to each other again. I still feel that same connection to him and in some ways I think he feels the same way. Some days we have wonderful conversations that last for hours and then others its almost like he is another person all together. He becomes distant and any conversations between me and him seem like I am forcing him to speak to me and its an awkward feeling.
To top all of that off we are both full-time single parents, him of 1 and me of 3. Neither me or him want to rush into anything as we have been through some relationships in the past and don't want the kids to get attached to someone if things go badly. We have talked about being sexually intimate with each other and haven't so far as we both become very attached to people easily. We have kissed and cuddled and I know he is attracted to me because he has told me this.
I just am not sure if he is losing interest or he is just testing me or he is pulling away for other reasons. Any input on this would be helpful for me to sort out my mixed up thoughts. I mean do I sit and wait this out, do I stop talking to him for a few days to give him some space?
I should also add that I am a Libra sun, Scorpio rising with a Taurus moon, unsure of his rising and moon signs though.
Keep looking devasting in your Libra way 😉. If you see him or talk to him, be friendly but be mysterious. Let him make the moves. Don't sleep with too soon either. Let him know your 'rules' and stay true to them no matter what he tries to do to persuade you otherwise. He'll respect you for that and that goes a long with with a scorp. Good luck!
Thanks for the input, it is helping me to understand this situation more.
Latina: You are partially right in him being atypical guy, and I have never been good at understanding them when it comes to relationships. As for the reading me aspect I am kinda a two way street on that, maybe just because I am a libra and everything seems to have two sides to it. I think I am fairly easy to read but hold stuff in at the same time. I care a lot about him right now and try to sow him in my own way that I do care, but dont feel like I can come right out and say it because I dont want to come on too strongly and push him even farther away.
Mistery: Thankfully for me in this situation I am not too forward with advances sexually. I hold back until I am shown interest and then I will pursue slightly. I have no intentions of sleeping with him for a while yet, as for me its not something to be done with just anyone, its a very special thing for 2 people to share. As far as my rules go there are very few things as i am a fairly understanding person. Honesty, Respect, Trust, Communication are the top 4 and no abusers allowed.
FA: I do disagree with not discussing being intimate with each other as we are both grown mature adults who know that at some point it is probably going to happen between us. So to me it makes sense to see if our sexual interests are similar or way off the map from each other. Our connection that was there in the past is like it never went anywhere, its kind of strange that way. The way i look at things is that I have been single now for a slightly over 2 years and am used to it, if things work into a relationship between me and Mr. Scorpio that would be great but if they don't at least i have a good friend that I feel I can share anything with and know it will not go any further than him. I don't date though, never have and I doubt I ever will, once I focus on one particular person my eyes do not stray until I know there is no possibility of anything more than friendship. So I guess in a way my eggs are all in one basket but not at the same time, if that even makes sense(it does to me, lol)
M.H.: He has explained to me about pushing the people that matter away from him, and that the ones he knows are no good for him he keeps close. So I guess i already know whats going on in a way. I got to thinking about all of this today and realized fully that he did this in the past and
"Neither me or him want to rush into anything as we have been through some relationships in the past and don't want the kids to get attached to someone if things go badly."
There's your answer right there ... he wants to go slow/not rush.
So, stop being paranoid and reading more into it than there is. If two people agree to take it slow .. then slow it will be .. you can't then turn around and suspect it must mean he isn't interested.
Not rush .. means slow, taking time, being distant .. while waiting to see how emotions for each other feels.
"I just am not sure if he is losing interest or he is just testing me or he is pulling away for other reasons."
Ok, so I have been giving him his space and all that stuff that Scorps need from time to time.
We talk off and on, but now my problem comes from not understanding some of the things he has said.
He has said many times that he plans on staying single for life, but now he is in a LDR with some girl he has only been talking to for a week. She is also a Libra and doesn't understand why he disappears at times and is asking me what is going on with him. Its just him being his strange Scorp self. I can see his jealousy issues becoming a problem between them, and that he will not get what he is looking for from her. He has told me that he usually pushes the ones that are good for him away and sticks with the ones that are not.
I am very confused by all of this, I mean is there something wrong with me?? Maybe I am doing something wrong since I seem to scare men away from me for just being me. I care very much for him and this really hurts but oh well its his choice. I am still here standing by as his friend, and am pretty sure that eventually if i am still sitting here single that he will come back for another short lived emotional roller coaster ride.
Sometimes I wish I could just turn my emotions off.
I know that its in the best interest of myself for emotional and sanity reasons. He is only one guy and if he wants to act like a high school drama queen then go ahead and have fun with that. Don't come crying to me when you get hurt by your ridiculous actions.
lol, maybe for you. I am stuck up in Ontario Canada. Going out in a bathing suit today would be a ridiculous idea, but then I would fit right in with the Scorp, hahaha
Ok, well things are different than I had first thought. Mr. Scorp being who he is was in his silent mood, I just don't bother when he is in that state of mind, cause there is no point. But he finally came out of it and we got to talking about this situation with this girl. She has developed delusions around him that they are in a relationship but they aren't. she doesn't understand why he wont talk to her all the time and gets all hurt and upset cause he's ignoring her, when all he is doing is being his moody Scorpio self.
Well anyhow, they are no longer speaking to each other, deleted from list and everything. She is so sure she is in love with him and I just cannot grasp how someone can love someone they have never met in a week and a bit. Thats just one of the most absurd things I have ever heard.
Scorp and I get along fabulously as friends and thats they way things are going to stay unless he starts figuring out what he wants, at least if I cant have a relationship with him then I at least still have him as a friend. I'd be lost without him, he is one of the few people I can tell anything and knows it doesn't go any further.
Anyway, if you have any thoughts on all of this please add, or any advice for me cause some days I just don't know
He lives right behind me and we play poker on facebook.
She seems a bit off her rocker to me and I told him that, he totally agrees. Some people are just nut jobs. I don't like to pry into his personal affairs cause thats his own business, if he wants to share it with me it's his call.
As for the feeling things for someone that fast I still don't understand it, maybe its one of those emigmas in life that have no real answer.
Littlelibra, just an FYI some scorp men mentally torture not so strong women (the girl) and tell them things to make them think they are in a relationship. Trust me I know, been there with a scorp and not so strong Aqua, when all the truth came out (most I had to do some scorp detective work myself) she was infactuated by him but it wasn't totally her own infactuation he would play word games and told her things that justified her infactuation, while not being intimate with her a mind game thing. Spending most his time with me and taking me out and like yours is doing with you, talking about her and her illusions, when in reality he was saying some things to back them up.
I am sure she isn't feeling this way out of the blue, but he won't admit what he is telling her to you, that you will have to find out on your own.
I know that he is not an innocent victim of some girls delusions, he definitely has been up to something. Mysteries abound with the Scorpio. But, thats his business as we have no official commitment to each other. He definitely has his following of women that want him just after meeting or speaking to him. So I guess he's got this being desired by every woman that breathes thing down,lol.
lol, you guys are great. I have very few females to talk to about all this stuff, so it really helps a lot. I just need to pull up my virtual men stompin boots and give him a piece of my mind.
I deserve better than to be treated this way by him. I am far to strong and independent to let someone like him get me down. No man is worth this much trouble. EVER!!!
If he wants to have all these woman throw themselves at his mercy, then have fun with that. I have no time for someone who is acting in this manner.
"I deserve better than to be treated this way by him. I am far to strong and independent to let someone like him get me down. No man is worth this much trouble. EVER!!!"
Say that every day as a mantra. Life will get better. 😉
You have no idea how much you helped me understand some things. I have two Scorpio males. One just left, after a long night of passionate sex that ended this morning. We argued, he got dress and left so he's mad again.
History: Platonic for 3yrs (w/a long break in there). Sex the first time Feb 29th. Right after I asked where did he see our friendship going, he freaked out. I tried communicating. He totally pulled away. I let him be.
It was the best sex I've ever had, never wanted it to stop. So, having the house to myself wanted to be with the best and text him, he came over. Awesome as usual. Me being me, I started screwing with him annoyingly with the "I love you, do you love me" stuff. 🙂 I know he has feelings for me, he told me the first night we made love and then shut his mouth to anything else, which is when the pulling back began but I didn't get that until the out-of-presence communication failed. Anyway, I was hoping to get the Scorp to reveal feelings. He is a homebody, anti-socialite like myself. We could belong to each other only no worries. That's what I see as perfect, apparently he doesn't.
Second Scorpio, young guy 25 (I'm 32). I fancy and think he fancies me. I want a relationship with him but because he's so Laboratory Sexy I know he's really popular with women. I don't want to fight that battle. However, it's been over a month and I dream of being with him really strong.
History: Saw him on a personals site. Peeped his profile and he mine. He's looking for his soul mate, someone family oriented, to build his life with. Perplexed as to why HE hasn't found her. 😛 Found him on MySpace, sent him a message. He sent Friend's request and we've messaged on there a handful of times. Two weeks ago I suggested we meet and go for a drive to get to know each other, he said it sounded nice, asked when. I told him it's up to him and gave my number. It's been 10 days and he hasn't called. He has peeped my personals ad twice. Once before I updated it again and once after. I figure being on his radar is a good thing so I haven't peeped at his profile again so it doesn't clock me as having done so. Besides I have his Myspace page. 😉
Mata Hari, taught me that silence after disagreement is a bad sign (1st Scorpio) but that silence and opportunity to let the Scorpio think on his feelings for me and my giving him this space to do so is a good thing.
littlelibra81 said: "I am very confused by all of this, I mean is there something wrong with me?? Maybe I am doing something wrong since I seem to scare men away from me for just being me."
I feel the same way, How much earth do you have in your chart? I am curious if that may be the key to why. I push men away often by "just being me". They all agree, I'm beautiful, smart, nice, fun, yadda-yadda... but when I take that as "You're perfect for me" then they pull away as if they're saying "Hey, yes all of that is true, but I didn't say that's what I wanted". 😢 Men can be so stinky.
Another DXP'er once brought it to my attention that some men know that a woman they want to be with is the perfect girl for him but that they size her up to see how she fairs against certain things such as the ability to cheat on him. I really believe a man would not move forard because they think a woman might stray based on how close to a 10 she ranks.
Nevertheless, don't worry about (ooh just got dejavu) what it is about you that makes men pull away. There are some smart and strong men out here who can handle us in all of our many aspects. Knows a good thing when he sees it and won't let it get away. Like you stated, he is in a LDR (in under a week) with another Libra and plans to be single for life. I think that speaks volumes about his insecurity and only feeling safe when someone is at a distance. It may be a while before he is able to trust that you are not going to let "love make a fool of him" (song verse). Just be patient. It's amazing who a Scorpio will be with and the reasoning behind it. They do follow their hearts at times but man it takes a minute. Hold in there girl. 🙂
littlelibra81 said: "Just dropping him is going to be so hard for me, especially when I don't get attached to people like this very easily or often."
I really don't think you should. I am about 6yrs older than you but I've learned in my many conquests 😛 that you don't kill a good thing. Sure, he may not be where you want him to be RIGHT NOW... but heck those feelings are good feelings, just take a break or sit back and relax and watch this play out, and believe me it will. Then be the safety net that Scorpios rely on when they feel their world is filled with people they can't trust. 😉
***** littlelibra81 said: "Don't come crying to me when you get hurt by your ridiculous actions."
I see you haven't done your Scorpio homework. 😢 You'll never know if he got hurt. NEVER!!!!
I started screwing with him annoyingly with the "I love you, do you love me" stuff. I know he has feelings for me, he told me the first night we made love and then shut his mouth to anything else, which is when the pulling back began but I didn't get that until the out-of-presence communication failed. Anyway, I was hoping to get the Scorp to reveal feelings. He is a homebody, anti-socialite like myself. We could belong to each other only no worries. That's what I see as perfect, apparently he doesn't.
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Perfect example of a "thater" .....
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"Right after I asked where did he see our friendship going, he freaked out. I tried communicating. He totally pulled away."
Once you asked him about "feelings" .. he pulled away .. months later, you call him up to have passionate sex, and afterwards, you say to him ...
"I love you, do you love me" ... completely oblivious that saying this kind of thing to him months ago is "what" made him pull away .. you can only acknowledge "that" you want him to feel it for you, so you tell him that you two should be purple pigs together .. because ..
"I know he has feelings for me, he told me the first night we made love and then shut his mouth to anything else"
He told you the first night you made love with him that purple pigs are in the air ... and you thought he meant love.
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If all esle fails with this guy ... then there's another in which maybe little purple pigs can be made together, and so this may be real also because he is watching your personals.
Oh, see I should learn to read all the way through and then respond but with all of my analyzing, I'd be sure to lose something.
Good to see he ditched her, I knew he would. LDR with a Scorp is insane, I would not do it because who wouldn't want to be with that magnetic being 24/7. You see how you feel about him, think about what she must feel... Ha! Ouch.
To be fair, she's not delusional, she's spellbound. There's a difference, you'll soon find out when it's you... I say this because you have given him SO much info on yourself. > "I'd be lost without him, he is one of the few people I can tell anything and knows it doesn't go any further." Where else does it need to go? LOL. He's "GOT THE POWER!!!!" and it's about to get hectic (another song).
My advice, cut back on revealing your history and indulge him in your mystery.
I ask this question because you had started a thread a couple months ago wondering why the men you sleep with always get up and leave, and never stick around for quality time after a rumble in bed.
And this seems abnormal to me .. most men always cuddle/snuggle and stay for breakfast ...
P-Angel, I have yet to figure your "Thater" study out.
No, I don't think he has IN love with me feelings, not really even love. I know he has feelings though. The man has been in my shadows for 3yrs. He likes being with me. Whether it's on a fwb level or not, he LIKES being with me. He tells me all these nice things about me, no one is forcing his hand. But, me asking that question (piece to the puzzle) just is asking too much. Why should I wait to for another two years to find out about his feelings.
Second guy, is just a hottie, he wants sex as much as I do. He's just taking longer at getting around to it. I would like a relationship with him because it means I get that body often. But, that's me being selfish. I don't want to deal with the Scorpios magnetism that women can't resist and all of that BS that's sure to follow me trying to pursue him. So, I'm in the shadows, I've opened the door wide enough for him to come in. I'm patient, since I'm not exactly fresh out of men to annoy. 😛
My heart IS desperate to be embraced, I need to spank it and put it in time out. I'm such a freaking sucker for love. However, I don't like the crap that comes with it. Where's my FREAKING fairy tale damnit—
I never said it was love, I just like the word LOVE. Everyone should say it, and often. 😛
Actually, when we had sex, we had just reunited (friendship) after two years of being out of touch, I knew back in the day he wanted to be physical with me but I was new to the area and thought he wanted to capture me and I'm far to nosy and a busy body to do that without seeing what else is available. When he came back initially, we did movie nights and after we had sex yes I asked (hello I'm Virgo) when did he discover having feelings for me, he said they've always been there. So, I asked him where did he see our friendship going? What's wrong with that.
Do I always ask men, no of course not. But men I have switch modes with, yes. I need to know if I should close other doors and get into mode. Otherwise I will do pretty much what I always do, continually and consistently be available but not equally active in whatever I have with someone. People should know what they want before they get involved and should be willing to go the whole nine with that decision. Half stepping, half assing is games.
I truly can say to someone and not feel guilty or weird, "Hey friend, I need sex tonight, I know that we've never done this before but um... can you hook me up?" That's with a friend that belongs to me and only me, if he is a family friend or friend with my friends then I wouldn't do that. I can afford to lose a friend every so often but I wouldn't make my family and friends suffer for my selfish needs.
P-Angel said: "And this seems abnormal to me .. most men always cuddle/snuggle and stay for breakfast ..."
It's not just me this happens to but I am happy to know it doesn't happen to a lot of you. I think some people just rub people the wrong way, I am one of them. Platonic friends I can not get rid of (honestly) be it on the phone, online, in person... But, a man and sex, the minute I start discussing things it's too hot in the kitchen.
This man stayed a long time today. 🙂 He rolled out at 7:30AM EST and last night I asked him what time does he have to leave (yeah, me and my questions) and he said whenever I put him out. Didn't mean physically, but my behavior, he said I had an "attitude" (hello, I'm Virgo) and so he needed to leave.
I had no attitude, we were having a discussion. Attitude would have been him waking me up at 2am 4am and 6am for more sex. But, no.... the minute I say "Do you love being with me?" he says, I'm not in love with you and i say I didn't ask that and he says that's what you're leading up to and I say so what. He got up and got dress. LOL.
I have a scorpio after being with a libra man. the experince is soooo different. however I did notice the scorpio will leave when things go bad then come back to start something fresh.Sex is sooooo good with him he always takes care of me in the bedroom. he take his time to cover every inch of my body. I dont have to ask the scorpio for a thing if he looks around and he sees I need something he just gets it. we have been dating for about 9mos. I think he is seeing someone else. I looked at his myspace page and it says single and some chic is alwys leaving msgs on there about her missing him. (he is in italy). . i play along with it i Know if i get tired I will back off. scorpio and i stay on the phone for hours the chem is great..... soryy for talking to much. hope i said something useful.lolQA
fyi: where you go wrong is NOT asking this question ... where you go wrong is deciding to close the door if feelings aren't on the same page AFTER opening the snatch door.
You're suppose to know this BEFORE sexing him up, MsA .. once he has your kitty without having to "feel" you emotionally ... from that point forward, you are just a piece of ass.
I apologize too for hi-jacking the thread. I did however realize that things have been quiet in here regarding the OP's situation. I did give my $ 0.02 and then I did what I did best. Shared my world in the sense of showing a common bond with the OP.
In conclusion, I don't think littlelibra81 should give up on him. Men you have feelings for are not easy to come by. All people have their dark sides and "bad" ways. Unless he does bring this behavior on towards you then you have no real gripe with him. That's the other Libra girls battle not yours. However, arm yourself with what you know and do your Scorpio homework so that she doesn't become you. Not that it's completely preventable but there are many people who have awesome relationships with Scorpios like Dystrabe and Virgo28.
Virgo28 9mos with your Scorpio says that he is yours. If Little Ms. Myspace is missing him then let her keep on. He's obviously not missing her or else he would feed that craving she has. However, he's attention whoring by allowing that comment to remain on his page. He probably just wants to feed the "Highly Desired Scorpio" image to all of the women so they will think he is something so awesome and great (which he may be) but don't look too much into it. Use his patterns to decide if "Houston has a problem" and not the pattern of someone else's. While Scorpios are good at what they do, they are not that good, not too good for a woman's intuition or an analytical Virgo. 😉
"But, no.... the minute I say "Do you love being with me?" he says, I'm not in love with you and i say I didn't ask that and he says that's what you're leading up to and I say so what. He got up and got dress."
:: shakes head ::
And STILL, after him saying it, me saying it to you as well ... you STILL have no acknowledgement that by saying "that" is WHY he pulls away.
My "thater" theory is plain and simple, MsA ... but, in order to see it, you must have the ability to see beyond what is on the surface, "that" lays on the surface to respond to, to react to.
On the surface of "that", you want to know how he feels .... on the deeper layer of "what" is, by asking him "that" is "what" makes him run away because he only wants to take what you offer willingly = kitty.
That's all he wants .. that is "what" it is ... but, you can only acknowldge "that" YOU want more.
If you set a tone of FWB .. then this is what it is, MsA ..
He acknowledges that by you asking him if he loves being with you is a prerequisite to you wanting him to love you .. when he says this to you as he's getting dressed, you say "so what".
And then come in here to say you don't understand .. why can't you get this man to take how you feel about him seriously .. what is his problem.
P-Angel said: "You're suppose to know this BEFORE sexing him up, MsA .. once he has your kitty without having to "feel" you emotionally ... from that point forward, you are just a piece of ass."
When have you ever known me to have a problem with being just a piece of ass? Not to say that's all I aspire to be but sometimes, that's all I have time to be. I have two boys at home and can't afford to risk playing house in front of them hoping that things go somewhere. That's prior to sex. My sons never meet anyone and if someone pushes their way in to my son's lives to be with me prior to me being ready, he and I are over. My sons watch me like a hawk and to mess up or appear flawed (break-up or argument with the man) in front of them is not something I allow.
I never close the door, you've been reading my crap long enough, you know it's ALWAYS them who close the door. Besides, there is no way I am going to agree to being locked down by a man before knowing what he's like in the bed.
P-Angel said: "And STILL, after him saying it, me saying it to you as well ... you STILL have no acknowledgement that by saying "that" is WHY he pulls away."
Of course I do, and I knew it would before I even asked it. However, I had to do it. It's like something in me says "Be annoying". Probably because my sleep was disturbed. However, I don't know what I want from him, I do miss our friendship. We could have never had sex and I would have still enjoyed him all the same. But, I am thinking that I have a problem with him liking me for that long of a time and not telling me, who knows where we could be. His reasons for not wanting a relationship is because he likes his freedom. I've never taken any man's freedom. I get accused quite often of not giving my attention to the men in my life. It's the least of his worries. Silly boy.
I too am very careful around my kids.I have 3 small children 5 2 and 1 2gurls and a boy. I dont want anyone connectiong with my children. okay wait I did let an aries connect with my son. it was adorable everybody was in aw. he fell for my kids and I was so swept by him. that I allowed it big mistake. blah blah. I dont have to test the sex b4 we commit.it just happens that way. if its good then its a point for you. did I make sense? lol
Ok, I get that(er) theory in the sense of the last paragraph.
But...
How is being friends with someone for what 5mos and then dwindling off for two years in which HE plotted us becoming friends again and then after two visits we have sex for the first time.
Then three months later me calling him over for a night of passion since I have the house to myself a problem as for giving up the kitty. Are you kidding? We would have had way more sex by now had he not freaked out. He's a grown ass man, he can't handle little old me?
For the record, this man was 2hrs away when I texted him at 5pm to ask him to come over at 8pm. He drove that far on yesterday to hang out with his friends and came back this way for me. If he didn't want to be with me he would have stayed put and tried his hand another day since my defenses appeared to be down since the last time we talked. But, he didn't. Because, it's me he wanted to be with...
My feelings about him are uncertain. Mainly because I have other options in my head. I know that he and I would be good for each other based on the fact that I don't have to worry about him being needy to be desired by everyone. He's never been like that and I know that he is a bomebody and by choice and passion. Like me he has his friends away from where we live not here, he like me sleeps here, he works here too, I don't.
But in the sense of just being good together I just want an amped friendship. The sex is good, we enjoy each others company and we should be able to work with that. Yes, I am wrong for trying to throw love into the mix but hey, he held his feelings away from me for two years so I deserve to be dramatic right now. I can understand him not wanting to lose his freedom but at the same time I want consistency in what we already have which is sporadic. This isn't the end of us. He has feelings for me.
Ok, I guess I should start off with a little bit of background information on my situation.
Almost 2 years ago I met this certain Scorpio guy, we had a connection/attraction almost immediately. We started seeing each other but I think he started to distance himself and I felt he was no longer interested. He moved away and had a short lived relationship with a different woman.
He is now back in the area and we are speaking to each other again. I still feel that same connection to him and in some ways I think he feels the same way. Some days we have wonderful conversations that last for hours and then others its almost like he is another person all together. He becomes distant and any conversations between me and him seem like I am forcing him to speak to me and its an awkward feeling.
To top all of that off we are both full-time single parents, him of 1 and me of 3. Neither me or him want to rush into anything as we have been through some relationships in the past and don't want the kids to get attached to someone if things go badly. We have talked about being sexually intimate with each other and haven't so far as we both become very attached to people easily. We have kissed and cuddled and I know he is attracted to me because he has told me this.
I just am not sure if he is losing interest or he is just testing me or he is pulling away for other reasons. Any input on this would be helpful for me to sort out my mixed up thoughts. I mean do I sit and wait this out, do I stop talking to him for a few days to give him some space?
I should also add that I am a Libra sun, Scorpio rising with a Taurus moon, unsure of his rising and moon signs though.