daughter in distress! please help!

Well I have this really hard to please dad. He's never happy no matter what me or anybody else in the family does for him. He told me just a few weeks ago that he was depressed and he apologized for everything he's been putting us through. I thought that was the was end of the constant bickering in the household??_??_.but he hasn't changed! Its really sad cuz he used to be such a happy guy and I used to love him sooo much. Now I wanna kill him! I really cant stand him and I wanna tell him off??_??_Usually it's easy for me to confront someone, anybody!, but whenever I get the chance to finally rip him a new one, words never come out. He's like the only person I cant squash and it annoys the Hell out of me! Could it have anything to do with his birth chart or is it the fact that I'm too loyal to my family members— I need advice on how to finally release on him,for someone to tell me how to cope, or an explanation is to why i cant and havent been able to shut this cry baby,cynical, pessimistic jerk up!

Here's his planets:

Sun in leo
Moon in Capricorn
Mercury virgo
Venus virgo
Mars Gemini
Jupiter aries
Saturn cancer
Uranus libra
Neptune Sagittarius
Pluto libra
Lilith pisces
Asc node scorpio

and here's mine:
Sun Scorpio
Moon Scorpio
Mercury Libra
Venus Scorpio
Mars Leo
Jupiter Scorpio
Saturn Pisces
Uranus Capricorn
Neptune Capricorn
Pluto Scorpio
Lilith Taurus
Asc node Scorpio

I had a feeling someone was gonna say that.
Well I know that but I swear this is different from other 15 year olds' reasons for wanting to drive a knife in their dad's throat. This isn't stupid teenage stuff like —oh my dad wont let me go out?? or —my dad doesn't like my boyfriend??. He's falling into his own self pity and pickin on everyone cuz he wants every1 to hurt like him. He makes me walk on eggshells with his moodiness. But I suppose you??re right in one way??_.. It has nothing to do with astrology. Maybe he's just a prick!

Well honey, one thing I'd recommed is to do research on how chronically depressed parents can treat their children or others around them. I'm not by any means justifying his behavior towards you or the family, but since he was upfront about being depressed, I think you should be looking further into THAT aspect of things, versus his chart making him this way. In other words, if there's a chemical imbalance in his brain then I'd recommend focusing on that & potentially getting him some help for it, versus blaiming this on his chart.

Sure the Capricorn in him makes him very upset when he's mad & very happy when he's happy. Sure the Virgo in him will make it extremely tough if anyone were to speak their true feelings & point a dagger at his flaws. The Gemini in him allows him to not skip one person, when it's time to release the wrath that's building inside. And I can go on & on. But it sounds like your dad is to the extreme vs. just being the normal "mad and get over it" parent. And if his case is the extreme, then sadly all you really can do is offer to get him help, talk to another trustworthy adult about possibly getting him help or moving out. What you're going through is sad & I can imagine, horrifying, but one thing you'll learn as you get older is that instead of expecting others to change who they are, you just have to learn HOW TO DEAL WITH THEM & to change how you respond to them. You have to change YOUrself sometimes when you're in a situation where the other person is unmovable, & especially in your case since you are so young. It's hard as hell but it can be done & teach you how to deal with the world honey. Have you talked to any other adults about this?

Sun in leo
Moon in Capricorn AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh dear oh dear oh dear !!! panic !!!
Mercury virgo
Venus virgo
Mars Gemini
Jupiter aries
Saturn cancer
Uranus libra
Neptune Sagittarius
Pluto libra
Lilith pisces
Asc node scorpio


Okay, I'm sorry I'm living with a cap in moon person and ... all I have to say is I understand and I'm not 15 years old.

I'll just repeat what Nihilist said but in a deeper voice. 😉 It was really well said. I want to add also that his moon sign is really not helping.

Wow... i'm really happy with the feedback on this......

Ike-Its the moon in cap , it is one of the worst moons to have as it makes people "nitpicky" and not easily satisfied . Furthermore they can be depressing and mean (hitler had one ) . Add to that mercury in virgo you have a infuriating combination of critisism and coldness .

-That describes him completely. He's a terrorist!

prince pisces-If he tries to get lippy with you just tell him to go fuck himself. . .case closed LOL. I shut my dad down quick when he gets like that lol.

i tried that b4 and it didnt shut him up like i hoped it would. he just got even more pissed off! lol

nihilist-try to be a bit more forgiving (ya I know this is hard I'm a scorp too) we can learn a lot from others...doesn't mean u forgive or forget but listen and absorb.

heard!!!

Cappysweetie-Okay, I'm sorry I'm living with a cap in moon person and ... all I have to say is I understand and I'm not 15 years old.

ty for your understanding!! It is hell! It sucks! lol.

spiteful- cute nickname btw.

ha ha. thx. 🙂

Ms. Pisces-You can't fix him, but your supportive and non judgemental presence in his life, can perhaps make it easier for him to fix himself

I think you might be right with this. It makes sense especially the thing you said about not being able to fight negative with negativeness.

Thank you soooo much everyone for your advice. I really think it'll help, even if only a little. I will TRY to be a good little daughter and show some compassion for his situation. 😉

Spiteful : I've been there and your chart is alot like mine. I have a very nosey moody Scorp mom that seemed to be up my ass all the time. But now looking back I'm GLAD she was there. It meant she cared even though I seriously wanted to murder her.

You really should start being more positive. Trust me. When I was your age I was really really angry about nothing. It was hell. Trying to put a postive spin on things will help.
He's your Dad not your friends so you'll have to remember he's an adult and he deserves respect and you should treat him accordingly. If you fight him I'm sure it'll only get worse.

lol

Scorpio children are a pain in the ass.

Hell, all teenagers are a pain in the ass ... then add Scorpio to the equation and you're lucky he let you live this long.

Firstly I would respect the fact that he's my father and has my best interests at heart. Secondly, we have all been there. Although my dad was very strict, I respect him sooo much for being that way. I turned out good and it's because of his protection. That doesn't mean he limited me in any way, rather just didn't want me to do stupid things at a young age...and I totally agree with what Nihilist said..he's just being an overprotective dad maybe with a fear of losing control. I don't know about Cappy moons but they can be quite depressing at the best of times. Everything tends to be doom and bloody gloom for them. More for men than cappy women I have noticed.

Leo dads are fab!!!...I don't have one but my uncle is one...and he's an adorable but respectable dad..I would be exactly the same towards my children...especially the girl..whether she liked it or not...I know I will be a disciplinarian...and too right..just look at society and kids today...(god I sound like a grandma..lol)

Gingerscorp said it best...I was such an angry kid as well..Jesus..I wouldn't wish me on anyone..Just wanted to lash out at every given opportunity..or to just generally cause trouble..I just wanted to rebel against the norm..

I remember I sooo didn't want to be a girl..lol..when I first started my period (apologies) I was mortified that my superman pants were ruined!..hahaha...(I know I know..too much info)..and then came the breasts..oh my god..this just tipped me over the edge..I just wanted to be a boy..I had issues..hahahha..

Posted by spiteful1102
I had a feeling someone was gonna say that.
Well I know that but I swear this is different from other 15 year olds' reasons for wanting to drive a knife in their dad's throat. This isn't stupid teenage stuff like —oh my dad wont let me go out?? or —my dad doesn't like my boyfriend??. He's falling into his own self pity and pickin on everyone cuz he wants every1 to hurt like him. He makes me walk on eggshells with his moodiness. But I suppose you??re right in one way??_.. It has nothing to do with astrology. Maybe he's just a prick!

What specifically is he bothered about??

lol. i like you miss morals. 🙂

P-angel-Scorpio children are a pain in the ass.

I wasnt always like this! In fact i didnt start being a rude ass until he started acting like a jerk. But i think that even if he didnt act this way i prolly would still turn out to be an angry little heathen. Like gingerscorp said i'd prolly just be really angry about nothing.

As of recently i have started to put a positive spin on things and in fact i've been smothering him in kindness. I've been being sickingly nice to the coot and i even made him smile.(that's something i havent see in a while) It got on his nerves though when i kept asking him if there was anything i could do to help and if he's okay. lol. I feel like i did it on purpose. (sorry couldnt help myself!)

What specifically is he bothered about??

*sighs* I know im gonna get flamed for this but lemme just say this first. I had a lot of compassion for him and jumped to help him with anything he needed. I stayed loyal and loving to him for a long time up until the point that he practically told me to fuck off. With that said, a few years ago he injured his back at work. I was around 12 years old watching daddy go through all that pain and i felt really bad for him, so i did everything i could to try and fix it. I even skipped school lied and told him that it was a day off just so i could be there 4 him. One day he got angry cuz i guess i caught him at a bad time and yelled at me. i was so confused so i just stayed outta his way. He started feelin' better after a few months and didnt come back to his regular self but he wasnt as snappy. A few years later he got himself a job. He went trucking leaving me and the fam at his mom's/brother's house. a few bad things there happened to us while he was away which made me grow angry with his decision to go trucking of all things he could've done! He came back, moved us away with the few dollars he made then quit that job cuz they werent paying enough. I was like " okay, well that's great. u had us in hell just so u could quit." What really pissed me off was when he had my mother walking to and from work almost every day rain or shine while he sat on his ass and didnt even try to find another job. So now money is tight and all he wants to do is pin blame on everyone even after apologzing numerous of times. Its like i know its hard but he's making everyone suffer, and thats not cool!

wow reading some of this i feel a bit selfish and there's some slight remorse here, but if u had front seats and watched how things go on through out the day here you'd see why i'm so mad! He gets hyprocritical and takes food out of people's mouths but likes to eat gargantuan servings of food all night (he's a night owl like me...or im like him rather) He picks on the most sensitive of us ( my 10 year old sister) all the time. Then he goes and picks favorites. The 8 year old who looks the most like his dad. I tried doing dishes for him the other day which i passionately HATE doing and he got pissed off cuz the dishwasher wasnt full when i stared it. "Yo! What the fuck? I had to start it cuz if not there'd be no fucking plates for dinner asshole so please get off my back!!!" Sorry had to vent there. Of course i didnt say all of that to him cuz i have SOME respect for the guy, but anyways. It's all sooo complicated. If i were to go that far back and tell u every single detail it'd be a long night. Then what i know some of you would do is accuse me of making HIM look bad and not me.

Lemme be real with you. I am guilty of not completely understanding why he was being so mean and i did do some things out of spite that i regret....sometimes. But i dont go around picking on every poor soul in sight just cuz i cant provide anymore. u know what. i dont even know what the fuck his problem is now becuz he says he's fully operational and he says he doesnt like my mom working yet he wont try! He quits too easily, and when he does try its a short lived attempt. Grrrrr!lol. I'm getting soo furious again just thinking about this. Ask if u wanna know anything! I cant name every little thing he's done cuz there's just soo much, and I dont wanna sound like this big whiney baby either. Cuz that's what he is and i'll die before i become him.....

It's not an easy age to be spiteful but it sounds like you are aware of not only his short coming but your own and that is very adult of you 🙂

I really do get where you are coming from. My mother was a tyrant at times. She'd make me do the dishes over and over (I hate dishes too and still to this day refuse to do them. My poor Aries fiance has to do them 😉)
She'd make me vaccum the floor over and over even though there was nothing on the carpet but she'd say I wasn't doing it good enough. She was always on me for something and I HATED her. But now looking back I know she was having her own problems and even though she was wrong she took alot of it out on me because I was the strongest out of my siblings. That doesn't make it right but in a way I'm glad I was there for her to vent. And besides her clean freakish ways made me into a super clean person 🙂 But adding all the stress towards your teen anger isn't helping.

Maybe try talking to him. Try and keep calm if he talks to you like a kid. I always HATED that. Explain how you feel and tell him you don't want to see him depressed and that you are trying your best.

Yes Scorpio children are tough. Especially double Scorps. I remember being so angry and thinking the world was against me.

"I remember I sooo didn't want to be a girl..lol..when I first started my period (apologies) I was mortified that my superman pants were ruined!..hahaha...(I know I know..too much info)..and then came the breasts..oh my god..this just tipped me over the edge..I just wanted to be a boy..I had issues..hahahha.."

OMG yes! I was like that too. In fact I hid from everyone that I had started my monthly "friend". My mom finally had to ask me (she kinda figured it out 6 months later) and I was fighting tears. I remember that convo like it was yesterday. I begged her not to tell anyone.
Luckily for me when it came to getting boobs I didn't sprout til I was a little over 16. I still am small chested. When it came to getting my first bra I was so upset and angry I was crying. 😛 Good Lord I was emotional!! And the sex talk. Geez. I completely flipped out on her and told her I was DONE talking about it. She insisted that I go to the doctor for my woman visit. I went, fought tears the whole time, and hid in my room sulking for a good 2 weeks because I felt so damn violated. I was a virgin til I was 19 but she just KNEW I was having sex alot earlier then that. I was such a private teen. I didn't want to tell anyone anything about me and I'd get pissed off if people started asking personal questions about me. I had severe issues.

Needless to say my mother threatened Military school on me all the time and had me in counseling a couple times. I was a wreck during my teen years. 😛

LOL ^^^ Sooooo can relate to that..Poor parents..bless them..they did their best..but I was and still am the blacksheep. Although a lot more lighthearted now..I think you just get past the caring stage and it's quite liberating when you just don't give a shit about anything anymore...lol

Spiteful, just consider us your older scorpio sisters 😉 we'll tell you what's right from wrong..I am sure you know already..Scorpio girls mature sooooooooooooo much quicker than any other girl out there..Just as Capricorns age in reverse (old before their time when they are younger, and kids when they are older), we do too.

Oh god..and my brother (leo) is like that..he quits really easily as well..in terms of working etc...He chats sooo much shit seriously..I give him a pep talk, he'll be motivated for a day and feel as though he's on top of the world..then I go back to my place for a week...and normal services resume again...His enthusiasm lasts all of a day...then conquering the world goes down the toilet hole..seriously!..I cannot respect lazines in a man..I hate it with a passion...

Tis true. I was emotionally all over the place but mature. I hated people talking down to me and telling me I was too young to understand. BS. I understood people more then most adults still do.
It just takes figuring out how to handle your emotions and rolling with the punches. I've calmed down tons just in the past few years and I'm 26. No more fighting pointless battles. Not worth the time and effort.
I always craved independence and seriously getting out in the mean old world on my own sat me straight. I have an authority problem. I hate people telling me what to do.

Hahaha...we are like two peas in a pod...I HATE authority...I do not tolerate anyone speaking down to me or just authority in general. For example the boss at work..I mean, boss according to who exactly? you aren't no boss of mine...I am my own boss thank you. He's had a severe tongue lashing from me..we don't speak to each other..can't stand the bastard...That's why I sooooo crave starting a business of my own..which I will do eventually. I am a self made person, I don't need people telling me what to do or how to do it. I have managed fine so far and will continue to do so...Pride...My leo sister is starting to adopt the same mentality.

If you want loyal workers go for capricorn who will kiss your ass and Virgo's who just work like dogs being the serving sign..too scared to upset the institution...whatever..

I am sick to death of working where I am..am looking for something else..simply because there is no room for progression here at all and I don't want to waste my time..I've got the experience I needed. I smell change...Ahhhh good times..

Ike = Kris? lol..I didn't know...was wondering where he'd got to..

::waves @ Ike::

They say your midheaven relates to the career aspect of your chart. My midheaven is in Leo!..Yay!!..Bow to me mortal and kiss my feet..I do go around as though I own the place..lol..The virgo chick I work with always says you walk around the place as though you are about to murder someone...I also have this heavy step thing going on. You can hear me walking a mile off..thump thump thump..It's the walk of authority. I have no idea why my step is really heavy on the ground (if that makes sense) I am not exactly fat.

Posted by Ike


lol MM you rock ! I love that pride and self respect you have ! Cheers to the future CEO/President 😛

Cheers back to you!..Some day Ike, some day. Your current president is a Leo..and a knowledgeable one at that..I loved his recent speech in Egypt...It's about time an intelligent president educated the ignorant about the muslims and what we did for the world. His speech was very well received. Not too sure if he's arse licking at this point or not..but he gave a very educational speech to all that need to know. Now couldn't imagine the previous nazi giving such a speech. Knowledge is indeed power. Fair play to the man. I love Leos.

Anyways politics aside, what's good with you? still with your cappy girl?

We are having an inner struggle and it starts young. Whether you think that is mature or not I don't really care. And Sag as mature..hahahha..that has got to be the funniest shit i've heard yet. Irresponsible and just darn right slutty more like...well at least the ones I have come across..

Yep because you've never thrown them around right? being the pristine pisces that you are. Are you P-Angels twin by any chance?

As for the observations, I am basing them on all the people I have met from that particular sun sign. I've met many of them all. if 5/10 sagis have been sluts...then I am sorry, I am deeming them slutty based on the ones I've met..

As for Pisces, that's another story altogether. They just rub me up the wrong way..same way as Cancers do.

gingerscorp-Needless to say my mother threatened Military school on me all the time and had me in counseling a couple times. I was a wreck during my teen years.

lol. threatened military school? My dad used to be in the military, when he came back He raised me like I was a soldier. Instead of timeout it was push ups for me. If i lied to him and he found out i'd be doing push ups until my arms fell off and then kept going. If my room was the slightest messy, he would dump all of my stuff out of the dressers and make me clean it up. He was Fucking lunatic but it made me strong. Helped me win my first fight at school! As for my mom she's a cappy. I love her and i have alot of respect for her! Capricorns DO age backwards cuz she likes to act like a teen! i think its funny.

MM-Hahaha...we are like two peas in a pod...I HATE authority...I do not tolerate anyone speaking down to me or just authority in general.

I hate authority too. He doesnt do the military stuff anymore but when he tries to talk to me like i'm a little kid i give him the dirtiest look i can and he hates it! I think he hates it the most when he says "change your face" and i start laughing at his attempt to scare me. Ha priceless!

I dont listen to what these people tell me to do cuz most of the time they are wrong and i am right. I can relate to Ike on that one. I do better listening to myself. I am self made.

Ike To spiteful : I just think you should ignore him and do your own stuff and not let house problems affect your ambitions . As for him i guess all you can do is pray at this point .

Spiteful to ike: I think so too! I'm still gonna try to be nice but as far as his bitching at me. I'm not gonna take it as hard as i was. As a matter of fact i'm just gonna keep my headphones on( he hates that too)

MM-Spiteful, just consider us your older scorpio sisters
Cool. I dont have any older siblings so i dont really have a role model sooo i'd like that. U both seem like u could get me thru this confusing stage of life. U both were just as twisted as i am now and u didnt kill anyone right?
I disliked being a girl. In fact most of my halloween costumes were darth vader, and zombies, and other boyish sotumes. I liked to scare people, holloween is suppose to be scary! Princesses and fairies arent scary!!!

As for the thing about sagittarians. All of my siblings ( 3 sisters and one brother) are sagitarrians. One likes to booty dance, one is always flirting with my boyfriend!

(uh dont ask about the hidden messages. Screwed up on my typing and i'm a perfectionist soooo i hid them. I dont like looking like an idiot.lol)

one is mentally disturbed.(she's 3years old and is always fighting and hitting people. wont listen to shit ever!) and the other one who is also 3 years old (they're twins) is always crying. And he's a boy.He cries over everything. My uncle was the same way so i think little pony boys are cry babies. Then my uncle turned out to be a bi-polar physco but
i'm not gonna pin that on ALL horsemen unless u know of another physco sagittarian. Come to think of it, he was also a womanizer sooo i also think that saggitarians are sluts. Havent meant one decent one. Sorry!

I have aquarius in my midheaven. So i hate it when i find something i'm good at and my sister goes and does it better cuz i wanna be the only one with that talent.I've been into drawing anime all my life but becuz she wants to be like me she's all up in my shit all the time borrowing my supplies.

MM-As for Pisces, that's another story altogether. They just rub me up the wrong way..same way as Cancers do.

The only piscean i get along with is my pisces cusp aries lover. He's got the moon in cancer but he's really cool. My great grandmother was a pisces and she was evil! She used to pinch me and yell at me for stupid things like slouching or putting my feet on the table, She also used to make me go to church. UGH! Then she used to get mad when i fell asleep. I was only 5 years old i had no interest in what this guy was talking about or what the singing had to do with anything. The sweet revenge i got was when i spit a nice and nasty glob of flem into her cup. I nearly peed my shorts laughing as she gulped it down.

gingerscorp-And the sex talk. Geez. I completely flipped out on her and told her I was DONE talking about it.
lol. Okay it's weird how much we have in common. She came into my room a few months ago when i got my first boyfriend (who i told her nothing about so i dont know how the hell she found out) and started talking to me about sex. I already knew what it was.....(dirty little me researched it with friends cuz we got curious) so i told her i was done talking about it. And instead of sulking about the woman visit thingy, i was just majorly pissed off at her for letting it happen and branded her as my enemy for a little bit.

Hmm I suspected an economic problem job wise but also am wondering about his leo/scorpio combination. His behavior no doubt is rather abnormal.

it is abnormal right? he used to be sooo nice and playful all the time. Very talkative caring and sweet. I hear about surgeries and injuries affecting and changing the way a person acts and behaves cuz Now he's only that way every once and a while. When he is happy everyone knows it wont last for long. Like all day today he's been in a good mood but right now he's flipping out!

ah well. I'm just gonna take everyone's advice here. I'm gonna listen to what you guys said about having compassion for him and being nice....but i'm also gonna do what Ike said and stop listening to his shit. I got about 3 years 'til i'll be legal and i can get the fuck outta here and get as far away as possible. 'Til then i'll put a positive spin on things.

In the first message you described him as "cry baby, cynical, pessimistic jerk" and I'd have to agree from my own experience with Leo sun with earth moon, virgo mercury and very little water in his chart. I married one and it has been hell on earth, and I'd like to add the words "obnoxious" and "lazy" to the list. I'm double water myself (Scorp sun, pisces moon). I've always had to just BS him to keep the peace or else just be very firm and say I refuse to deal with this garbage and walk away. We would have argued constantly if I wasn't the kind of person who can just space out into moonfish la la land when turmoil hits. A lot of times I've found it's best just to let them pout in their own little retarted hell until the worst blows over. My Leo father with pisces moon and cappy rising, on the other hand, was awesome, so easy going, had an answer for everything, one of the most mature and responsible men I've ever known, RIP dad.

fuck off lady. it's the scorpio way. U keep it up and i'm gonna spit in ur cup too. ha ha ha!

okay...well my apologies to ms.pisces if she does come back to this thread. i took something out on ya cuz i was angry again and when i saw that u judged me i got pissed off. spitting is a disgusting thing to do. Really awful. But at my point of view i thought she deserved it. Do i think that now? not so much cuz i know that she was bossy like that to teach me to be a lady.

Ike-you will destroy yourself before anyone else ! sometimes we are our own worst enemy . Learn to let go , and maybe try meditation ? At the least hang out with geminis

Yeah... i prolly should try letting go. It's a lot of burden on me being so angry. No i mean really really furious actually hurts sometimes. geminis? why geminis?

danm. i'm really feeling different. like i need to tone down all this hate....and be a bit more forgiving.

wow, this sounds a little bit like me and my dad a few years ago... I really despised him sometimes and we had some massive yelling matches! .... like Ike said, you need some way to let go and relax. Don't let your anger build up, that is the worst thing you can do.