Frenemy, scorpio is hell.

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I am a Libra sun, Pisces moon, Scorpio rising man. I have a... I don't know what to call us. I mean officially we are friends, but our relationship is odd. But I have a "friend" who is a Scorpio sun, Capricorn moon, Aquarius Rising. The thing is, it's been well established that she is just straight up ABUSIVE to me. She's even acknowledged it. She blatantly and constantly insults me, and taunts me with shit she KNOWS hurts me. In fact I'm pretty sure if I said X hurts me, she would go out of her way to do X. Mind you she doesn't deny any of this, she'll admit to it. Her only response is that she doesn't care and that I should either leave or just deal with it. She's called me pathetic, stupid, disgusting, worthless, etc the list goes on. She tells me she hates me, that she hates my opinions and everything I say. She hates everything about me.

I get that I could leave. But the truth is I love her. I mean, she rejected me... so I've accepted that she won't love me back. In fact, she says she has feelings for another girl. She won't admit her feelings or pursue it though, because this person she has feelings for is Lithoromantic. Lithoromanticism is when a person falls out of love the moment their feelings are reciprocated. So basically, if my friend admitted her feelings the other person would never reciprocate anyways. Then again that might all be lies or something. Apparently they are going to move in together, so either way it's going to be painful to me.

Anyways, I digress. Point is, I can deal with being rejected and that my only place in her life is friends. But I still don't matter to her at all? She still hurts me? How do I get her to stop without having to leave? I mean, we're "officially" friends... but she doesn't care about me at all so how are we friends? She HATES me. That's not friendship.

Look. I'm an all or nothing kind of guy. If I can't "have it all", whatever it is, I want none of it. If we won't ACTUALLY be friends, then what the fuck is the point? To be FRIENDS is to be FRIENDS. A friendship still requires loyalty and care to be a friendship. So I get that I could stonewall her and make her think I don't give a damn, and then she'll start crawling to me. But first of all, I don't want to fucking torture her. I don't want to be tortured, so why would i torture someone I care about? Also what kind of loyalty is that? The moment I start caring, she STOPS being loyal? True loyalty NEVER ends. Nothing can fucking stop true loyalty.
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I am a Libra sun, Pisces moon, Scorpio rising man. I have a... I don't know what to call us. I mean officially we are friends, but our relationship is odd. But I have a "friend" who is a Scorpio sun, Capricorn moon, Aquarius Rising. The thing is, it's been well established that she is just straight up ABUSIVE to me. She's even acknowledged it. She blatantly and constantly insults me, and taunts me with shit she KNOWS hurts me. In fact I'm pretty sure if I said X hurts me, she would go out of her way to do X. Mind you she doesn't deny any of this, she'll admit to it. Her only response is that she doesn't care and that I should either leave or just deal with it. She's called me pathetic, stupid, disgusting, worthless, etc the list goes on. She tells me she hates me, that she hates my opinions and everything I say. She hates everything about me.

I get that I could leave. But the truth is I love her. I mean, she rejected me... so I've accepted that she won't love me back. In fact, she says she has feelings for another girl. She won't admit her feelings or pursue it though, because this person she has feelings for is Lithoromantic. Lithoromanticism is when a person falls out of love the moment their feelings are reciprocated. So basically, if my friend admitted her feelings the other person would never reciprocate anyways. Then again that might all be lies or something. Apparently they are going to move in together, so either way it's going to be painful to me.

Anyways, I digress. Point is, I can deal with being rejected and that my only place in her life is friends. But I still don't matter to her at all? She still hurts me? How do I get her to stop without having to leave? I mean, we're "officially" friends... but she doesn't care about me at all so how are we friends? She HATES me. That's not friendship.

Look. I'm an all or nothing kind of guy. If I can't "have it all", whatever it is, I want none of it. If we won't ACTUALLY be friends, then what the fuck is the point? To be FRIENDS is to be FRIENDS. A friendship still requires loyalty and care to be a friendship. So I get that I could stonewall her and make her think I don't give a damn, and then she'll start crawling to me. But first of all, I don't want to fucking torture her. I don't want to be tortured, so why would i torture someone I care about? Also what kind of loyalty is that? The moment I start caring, she STOPS being loyal? True loyalty NEVER ends. Nothing can fucking stop true loyalty.
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Whoops, apparently my topic wqas created twice? I swear, it's a glitch. I did not intend for it to do this.

Anyways, like I said... I'm perfectly fine with her never LOVING me. But to not care at all, even as friends? And see if I leave, then that means I wasn't loyal to her? Regardless of how she treats me I care about her.I am loyal to her. I could never betray her... so why would I leave and forfeit my loyalty?
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Posted by MissFisk
She's doing it on purpose to drive you away. She wants nothing to do with you. The harder you try, the more she'll get disrespectful. Have a little pride and self-respect.

That doesn't make sense at all, if she didn't want anything to do with me she would've removed me before all else. We only know each other online, she could just block and remove me for good and I'd never be in her life again. Or at least the odds we would bump into each other would be astronomical lmao

Also while my self respect might not be the strongest. Even IF my self respect were solid, I would probably still try. Like I said, I care about her. I cannot deny my feelings, THAT would be disrespect to myself.
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I am a Libra sun, Pisces moon, Scorpio rising man. I have a... I don't know what to call us. I mean officially we are friends, but our relationship is odd. But I have a "friend" who is a Scorpio sun, Capricorn moon, Aquarius Rising. The thing is, it's been well established that she is just straight up ABUSIVE to me. She's even acknowledged it. She blatantly and constantly insults me, and taunts me with shit she KNOWS hurts me. In fact I'm pretty sure if I said X hurts me, she would go out of her way to do X. Mind you she doesn't deny any of this, she'll admit to it. Her only response is that she doesn't care and that I should either leave or just deal with it. She's called me pathetic, stupid, disgusting, worthless, etc the list goes on. She tells me she hates me, that she hates my opinions and everything I say. She hates everything about me.

I get that I could leave. But the truth is I love her. I mean, she rejected me... so I've accepted that she won't love me back. In fact, she says she has feelings for another girl. She won't admit her feelings or pursue it though, because this person she has feelings for is Lithoromantic. Lithoromanticism is when a person falls out of love the moment their feelings are reciprocated. So basically, if my friend admitted her feelings the other person would never reciprocate anyways. Then again that might all be lies or something. Apparently they are going to move in together, so either way it's going to be painful to me.

Anyways, I digress. Point is, I can deal with being rejected and that my only place in her life is friends. But I still don't matter to her at all? She still hurts me? How do I get her to stop without having to leave? I mean, we're "officially" friends... but she doesn't care about me at all so how are we friends? She HATES me. That's not friendship.

Look. I'm an all or nothing kind of guy. If I can't "have it all", whatever it is, I want none of it. If we won't ACTUALLY be friends, then what the fuck is the point? To be FRIENDS is to be FRIENDS. A friendship still requires loyalty and care to be a friendship. So I get that I could stonewall her and make her think I don't give a damn, and then she'll start crawling to me. But first of all, I don't want to fucking torture her. I don't want to be tortured, so why would i torture someone I care about? Also what kind of loyalty is that? The moment
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Lmao, you tried. The main thing is that my lack of self-respect in large part comes from my shitty ass life. I've been through shit most people don't deal with. Shit that breaks a person. That's my problem, I gotta get that sorted out and that's exactly what I'm working on. So you make a valid point. I'm pretty sure if I can't get her to stop I'll just learn to accept it. There should be no need for me to leave, I should learn to adjust and relate.

I mean, I guess I just answered my own conundrum. But it's never good to think in a vacuum so that's why I'm here. To see what peeps gotta say.
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Posted by AesmaDaeva
WTH is wrong with you, OP? You already stated your 'friend' treats you like crap and you're still clinging on to your imaginary friendship even if you already stated all the negative things she does to you. Seriously, leave her alone. Find better friends that'd treat you right. She's pushing you away and you still can't take a hint. 😕

Why wouldn't she just remove me from her life though? All she has to do is block and remove me. If she LETS me stay, then of course I'm going to stay. I care about her. Leaving of my own accord would mean that I'm no longer loyal to her. Now maybe you could say that I shouldn't be loyal to someone who treats me like that. But I don't know about that. Like I said, true loyalty is forever and it's unbreakable. If I stopped caring about her, it would mean I never cared. My loyalty is eternal and true.

You say to find people who treat me better. But wouldn't that be weak and lazy when you really think about it? These days, everybody is socially lazy, they just hang out with people who think like they do. Even though just because someone is different from you, does not mean they are any less human. That they mean any less. Just because I get along with someone, doesn't mean they're any more important than those who I don't get along with.

Literally, if the only reason you are hanging with me is because I fit into your world like a puzzle piece. Ten you don't really care about me, because you wouldn't care about me if I was any different. Basically, you don't care about ME for WHO I AM.
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@Lordterramine...WOW! You have a serious case of "PISCES MOON" over kill!! I don't see any Libran or Scorpio traits in your character. Allowing someone to treat you in such a manner and you're still hanging around is not even close to that of what a Libra or Scorpio would tolerate. In fact, I don't know of any sign personally that would allow someone to treat them like that, and still be in the company of such foulness. Seriously....GET A GRIP MAN! This is truly a twisted diluted view of a friendship..if that's what you want to call it. This must be a new kind of dysfunctional abnormal.
I dunno, but this one has me scratching more than just my head.
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Posted by LIb4Life
@Lordterramine...WOW! You have a serious case of "PISCES MOON" over kill!! I don't see any Libran or Scorpio traits in your character. Allowing someone to treat you in such a manner and you're still hanging around is not even close to that of what a Libra or Scorpio would tolerate. In fact, I don't know of any sign personally that would allow someone to treat them like that, and still be in the company of such foulness. Seriously....GET A GRIP MAN! This is truly a twisted diluted view of a friendship..if that's what you want to call it. This must be a new kind of dysfunctional abnormal.
I dunno, but this one has me scratching more than just my head.
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I beg your pardon.

Enduring abuse is not "SO PISCES MOON."

She needs/depends on him-- why do you think she won't leave him?

And intuitively he probably knows it-- not that he owes it to her to stay,

because of that need.

But for his part-- let it suffice to say that it is hard to hurt hurting people.



@OP

You may like her, but if you want the treatment to stop, you're going to have to do

the difficult thing and walk.

She may end up changing her attitude toward you-- as it stands, she takes you for granted.

She may also think little of herself... and since you like her, she also thinks little of you

(and anyone else who likes her).


Follow? lol


Otherwise, you're enabling her... sorry. 😢

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Ok if you all think it's the right thing to do. I'll walk.

MrFireBird, I masturbate to both genitalia. Independently. Both turn me on. That seems pretty clear cut to me. I have a porn folder for women, and a porn folder for men. I peruse both depending on the mood I'm in LMAO

Infinite8, recently in life I've been trying. But I've been through a lot of things most people haven't, and just in general my whole life is what makes it hard for me to love myself. I've been focused on my passions and building myself up.

Rambunctious76, she could even just ASK me to leave. Or tell me to. She doesn't say "leave, period". She literally gives me the choice to stay as in she voices that she has no qualms with it. She says some of our convos are interesting.

"I'm beginning to suspect that your loyalty being true and eternal isn't the real reason you are still willing to get shit from her."

What are you trying to say? I'm not trying to be with her or anything if that's what you think. I'm not trying to get laid either, I'm a 21 year old virgin for crying out loud. She's also asexual, so why would I try to do that with her?

Anyways like I said. I guess I'll walk. If y'all really think that's the right choice. It's an overwhelming vote hands down lmao
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Posted by AesmaDaeva
WTH is wrong with you, OP? You already stated your 'friend' treats you like crap and you're still clinging on to your imaginary friendship even if you already stated all the negative things she does to you. Seriously, leave her alone. Find better friends that'd treat you right. She's pushing you away and you still can't take a hint. 😕

Why wouldn't she just remove me from her life though? All she has to do is block and remove me. If she LETS me stay, then of course I'm going to stay. I care about her. Leaving of my own accord would mean that I'm no longer loyal to her. Now maybe you could say that I shouldn't be loyal to someone who treats me like that. But I don't know about that. Like I said, true loyalty is forever and it's unbreakable. If I stopped caring about her, it would mean I never cared. My loyalty is eternal and true.

You say to find people who treat me better. But wouldn't that be weak and lazy when you really think about it? These days, everybody is socially lazy, they just hang out with people who think like they do. Even though just because someone is different from you, does not mean they are any less human. That they mean any less. Just because I get along with someone, doesn't mean they're any more important than those who I don't get along with.

Literally, if the only reason you are hanging with me is because I fit into your world like a puzzle piece. Ten you don't really care about me, because you wouldn't care about me if I was any different. Basically, you don't care about ME for WHO I AM.
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You are confusing loyalty for a lack of self respect. You should be loyal to and love yourself first and foremost. Why would she respect you if you don't respect yourself?
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Posted by Infinite8
LordTerramine, I guess the bigger question is: why don't you love yourself and respect yourself enough to make sure no one treats you like that?!?!
You speak of the grandness of loyalty of friendship when she tells you she'd drop your friendship the second you don't accept her abuse. Not very equal now is it?!?!
The focus shouldn't not be about changing her (we can't change others we can only change ourselves). Nothing will change in this dynamic until you change yourself.
I hope you find some self-love in there somewhere and get yourself out of such an abusive situation.

If you don't change yourself... You will attract others just like her. Don't make this a pattern.

Good luck 🙂



Listen to her. She's smart.
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he's intentionally torturing himself. the question is......why?

It's the last hurdle I gotta overcome I guess. I'm so used to being treated like shit by everybody that I've just kinda embraced it.

Anyways I went for a 6 mile walk and then told her I was leaving. So it's officially done and done. I feel proud of myself.



You did it! 😄 I'm very happy for you!

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Haha thanks. Do you have a Jackie Chan gif for everything? lmao
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he's intentionally torturing himself. the question is......why?

It's the last hurdle I gotta overcome I guess. I'm so used to being treated like shit by everybody that I've just kinda embraced it.

Anyways I went for a 6 mile walk and then told her I was leaving. So it's officially done and done. I feel proud of myself.



You did it! 😄 I'm very happy for you!

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Haha thanks. Do you have a Jackie Chan gif for everything? lmao
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Posted by TwirlingStrawberry
he's intentionally torturing himself. the question is......why?

It's the last hurdle I gotta overcome I guess. I'm so used to being treated like shit by everybody that I've just kinda embraced it.

Anyways I went for a 6 mile walk and then told her I was leaving. So it's officially done and done. I feel proud of myself.
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You should be.

Congratulations. 🙂

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Posted by TwirlingStrawberry
he's intentionally torturing himself. the question is......why?

It's the last hurdle I gotta overcome I guess. I'm so used to being treated like shit by everybody that I've just kinda embraced it.

Anyways I went for a 6 mile walk and then told her I was leaving. So it's officially done and done. I feel proud of myself.
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Good for you brotha. Now you can take steps to meeting people that will treat you the way you deserve to be treated.
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Posted by tiziani
"Why would you want to be around a abusive woman?"

He's a Libra in his early twenties. It comes with the job description.



Really?

No way I would be around abusive woman, if she's degrading you and verbally abusive I would run.

I work with a Libra man he can be cold and rude he is a bit pompous too.

I work on the principle treat people how you want to be treated.
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Posted by TwirlingStrawberry
he's intentionally torturing himself. the question is......why?

It's the last hurdle I gotta overcome I guess. I'm so used to being treated like shit by everybody that I've just kinda embraced it.

Anyways I went for a 6 mile walk and then told her I was leaving. So it's officially done and done. I feel proud of myself.



Good for you brotha. Now you can take steps to meeting people that will treat you the way you deserve to be treated.
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I have yet to meet anyone besides my best friend that doesn't either leave or treat me like that.
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Posted by tiziani
"Why would you want to be around a abusive woman?"

He's a Libra in his early twenties. It comes with the job description.



Really?

No way I would be around abusive woman, if she's degrading you and verbally abusive I would run.

I work with a Libra man he can be cold and rude he is a bit pompous too.

I work on the principle treat people how you want to be treated.
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Well I kinda have been working on that principle from a 1 way street. Treat them how I want to be treated, and when they don't treat me how I want to be treated I just suck it up.
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Posted by TwirlingStrawberry
he's intentionally torturing himself. the question is......why?

It's the last hurdle I gotta overcome I guess. I'm so used to being treated like shit by everybody that I've just kinda embraced it.

Anyways I went for a 6 mile walk and then told her I was leaving. So it's officially done and done. I feel proud of myself.



Good for you brotha. Now you can take steps to meeting people that will treat you the way you deserve to be treated.

I have yet to meet anyone besides my best friend that doesn't either leave or treat me like that.



Now that you're done with the Scorp, time to hone your friend-finding skills. Avoid toxic people, users (negative opportunists)...anyone who makes you feel like shit when you don't deserve it. Top criteria.

They don't necessarily have to see eye to eye with you on everything.
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So just kick everyone like that out the door? lol
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@Lordterramine...WOW! You have a serious case of "PISCES MOON" over kill!! I don't see any Libran or Scorpio traits in your character. Allowing someone to treat you in such a manner and you're still hanging around is not even close to that of what a Libra or Scorpio would tolerate. In fact, I don't know of any sign personally that would allow someone to treat them like that, and still be in the company of such foulness. Seriously....GET A GRIP MAN! This is truly a twisted diluted view of a friendship..if that's what you want to call it. This must be a new kind of dysfunctional abnormal.
I dunno, but this one has me scratching more than just my head.
😢



I beg your pardon.
Enduring abuse is not "SO PISCES MOON."
She needs/depends on him-- why do you think she won't leave him?
And intuitively he probably knows it-- not that he owes it to her to stay,
because of that need.
But for his part-- let it suffice to say that it is hard to hurt hurting people.
@OP
You may like her, but if you want the treatment to stop, you're going to have to do
the difficult thing and walk.
She may end up changing her attitude toward you-- as it stands, she takes you for granted.
She may also think little of herself... and since you like her, she also thinks little of you
(and anyone else who likes her).
Follow? lol
Otherwise, you're enabling her... sorry. 😢

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@Montgomery..Noooo..I wasn't saying that Pisces allow abuse..you're just known for being extremely selfless, compassionate and kind...in fact a little nicer than some Libra's. And yes, we're also known for sparing other folks feelings, but that is being overly nice when you allow someone to mistreat you in such a way. I think she's just using him because she can and that's taking advantage of his kindness, but he's already dumped her, so it appears he's good
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