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@Ellygant I don't tag people, but I wanted to let you know I am responding to this and just wanted to avoid that thread. Figure I would post my response here.

Elly: "Yeah that's an air sign thing though.

No water sign compartamentalizes like that, or at least is happy doing so. Not for a long term commitment. We are water. We want to flow freely. Even the airy-est scorps I know are like that.

He's definitely holding something back for some reason and it's likely not a good one."

Moi: Naw. I have to strongly disagree with all of this Elly, which doesn't happen often.

Elly: "Strongly is a strong word lol. I'm open to disagreement though. I'm curious. Disagree with all parts or just the compartmentalization comment? You don't think the OP's Scorp is holding back from the relationship?"

Yeah I guess "strongly" is a strong word. All I can say is that was how I was feeling at the time lol. I suppose the assumptions being made in the thread (not directed at you) were irritating me. Often the same people, same signs making the same statements based on whatever they think they know about Scorps.

To answer your question, I disagreed with all of your post. I guess I may be one of the rare water loaded Scorps, with a dash of air that does compartmentalize. The way I handle and interact with people is isolated and unique to the nature of our relationship and I don't like the idea of blurring lines. If my worlds bleed into each other I do have difficulty with it and I will not go out of my way to make the worlds connect. I won't go above and beyond to keep my worlds apart, but I won't make it easy. Some people have understood that and will respect that, some have personalized it to mean I don't care or *fill in whatever theory here--mainly the ones being expressed in that thread*. I don't care. It's what I need.

The ongoing joke with my friends is they'll know I am in a relationship "when we get the (wedding) invitation in the mail" and although they say it to tease me, they know there is a lot of truth to it. I don't bring my partner to social events where my friends will be---we go to our own social events, not because I am ashamed of my relationship, hiding him, worried my friend will flirt with him or because I am acting "shady" (not your words, but it was thrown around a lot in that thread), but simply I like my worlds to be separate. I just do. I am just that private.

My partner knows about the things I am involved in, the people in my life, what they mean to mean, our history, etc, but more importantly he knows me. Meeting anyone in my life won't give you insight into who I am, no matter what clever way you want to explain it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with making that choice to introduce someone to the other people in your life, however I find many use it a rite of passage regarding relationships. "If I have meet XYZ person, it must mean you care this much" and I simply don't follow those norms. Never have. Having my attention, my time and all of my desire is all that is needed for someone to know they mean something to me. Meeting my friends, holds as much importance as meeting my neighbours.

When you ask if I think he's holding back, in what sense? Had the OP stated that he was holding back affection and love (I stopped reading after your post, so maybe she did), then I would agree. For me however, not meeting a few friends =/= "holding back" in a relationship imo. Are you involved with me or my friends/family/coworkers/etc?

As for this guy, he may be hiding something, who know what the reason is, but I don't assume it's "likely not a good one". Some Scorps simply like their privacy and it doesn't mean they are up to no good.
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Posted by Ellygant


Hmmm. Yeah I see your points. My ex was on the private and separation side a little bit. More than your average Scorp but probably not to the extent you are so with the explanation now I get it. It screams Gemini moon lol. My best is like that, as well as my Gemini moon sister. A foreign process to me but it works for them lol.

That's interesting because I never saw it related to my Moon, but the more I think about it the only person that could truly accept and deal with it without personalizing it was my Gem ex. He never pushed, but he would ask questions about my life, the people in it, my past, etc and we would talk about everything. He just had a way of letting me open up to him on my terms.

I have no problem sharing and discussing things if trust is there, but that's as far as it goes. He'd even ask me if I talked about him on DXP lol and I would tell him about the topics I participated in and even read some of my posts where I talked about him either directly or indirectly, but he never pushed to find out what site I was using so he could look for himself or any of that stuff. He just respected it was another part of myself that I share with other people. He was curious, but left it at what I was willing to share. That made me want to share more, so I did. I think that's the thing very few people understand about guarded people. I think that is what this Aqua is not understanding about her Scorp. The more you push, the more we will resist.

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In terms of OP, my insinuation wasn't that he was cheating, that's a miscommunication on my part. But the boyfriend had public freakouts and shut downs where he'd push out the OP. To me that says he's withholding a part of himself out of insecurity, fear or some other negative drive to withhold himself from his partner, not simply process or evaluate. That's what I meant by no good reason, not implying he's a cheater.

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I didn't think you were implying that he was cheating. I took what you wrote for what it said. However,"not a good reason" isn't a good thing whether it means cheating or otherwise lol. I read your post in a broader sense, speaking to his motivation and intentions vs how his behaviour is impacting the relationship---given her needs as his partner, which is a different thing entirely.

As for the rest, I see your point. His reactions do not sound good for the health of the relationship. He may be withholding himself for all of those reasons, but he may be doing so for other reasons she has failed to mention given this "presentation" of his behaviour is one sided. As I write this I am running through the various things I have done in relationships and the reasons why. 9/10 times my lover's assumptions about why I have acted a certain way has been so inaccurate it isn't funny, simply because I have my own set of rules in my head.

In many ways Scorps can be quite simple creatures---black and white, but in even more ways they can be quite complex when it comes to making sense of the inner working of their emotions.
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Posted by Ellygant
Ohhhhhh sames. Was just talking on this today as well with someone. Every time I've been accused of being controlling is normally when I am trying to control myself in reality, and shield someone from unnecessary emotions that knowing would hurt or overwhelm them. But the same blocks I think are protecting them have been interpreted so negatively. That is difficult to explain once someone already assumes poorly of you. I can very much understand now.

This exactly.

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I myself still have a lot to learn about relating and relationships. So I'm certainly not fit to paint everyone with the same brush. Thank you for taking the time to engage with me. 🙂
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Always a pleasure Elly 🙂

PS I still have a fair bit to learn about relationships as well.
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I took most of this week off to go out of town and then celebrate the crabs birthday. However at the last minute I decided to not go out of town and obviously I am not celebrating the crabs birthday either. I'm at an odd place.

I know the crab is gone for good. But it still nags and hurts as if he isn't. My plan to simplify my life by removing him as a distraction has backfired a bit I'll admit. He's not around, but honestly not a single day goes by without thinking of him. I believe it's because he's not a distraction. I fell for him and just didn't want to admit it. That's a hard thing to say out loud after the fact. And it's a shot to my pride, as I always believe myself to be in touch with my feelings.

I spent two days with my Pisces bff. I spent all my teenage years with her, practically living at her house and am terribly close with her family. It's one of the few places where I can mope and cry and be my most honest self without a second thought. No fear. No insecurity exists there for me.

The cancer lessons continued. She has a young crab daughter who is devoted to me. She's like a magnet whenever I come around and constantly wants to share and show off to me at the insistence she avoids all others. (Scorp rising baby, adorable). Funnily enough, the Pisces told me something I never knew. Way back then, the Pisces and I were repairing our friendship after damage and distance, that was when the crab was born. The Pisces told me that outside of her, I was the first one ever to hold the little crab after she was born. I was deeply moved by such a revelation.

The crab has an adorable stereotypical fascination with family. She likes to watch these homemade dvds of family events and memories. Especially when I am around. The one she chose was about her cousin who'd been born recently. Family and children are a tender subject for me at the moment. And I cried watching the home movies and slideshows set to moving music. Snuggled up with the Pisces and the brand new puppy she just bought. I broke down.

Let it all out about the crab. How deep it felt. How much deeper it hurt. My belief that it was truly over and the struggle that accepting that didn't remove the feelings like I wish it did. My fears about my father and being a good daughter. My fear I'd never have the family I so deeply desire and believed I was totally undeserving. The deeply scary idea of dating and meeting new people and me not even having the first clue about where to look let alone when the time would be right. That leads into the fear it will never happen and I'll have to settle for being a fun aunt type. How afraid I was to admit to everyone around me that no, I wasn't giving up on my dream career. It just isn't my dream anymore. I'm so happy with the job and life style I have and that people's high expectations for my life would be disappointed. All the fears came pouring out.

And the Pisces listened. And listened. And loved. She didn't jump in with advice on how I should change or grow or fix myself. She didn't ask anything more than questions which prompted me to talk when I'd start to shut down. She didn't tell me I was crazy or my feelings delusional or irrational. She didn't disparage the crab (something I hate that others do, as I did when they did so with my ex Scorp). She listened, loved on me and nurtured me.

Exhausted I fell asleep unintentionally on her couch, her brand new puppy snuggled in between my neck and my chest. We slept all night. Straight through. In all my adult life, I've had crippling insomnia. I sleep 2-4 hours most nights, occasionally six after a long week. Medication and routine rarely fix it. Smoking sort of did before I quit. The only other time in my life I ever slept a full 7-8 hours, was when I was with the crab.

The next day she doted on me. Cared for me. Made me laugh. Let me cry some more. Spoke to me with such insight and positivity. I left her house feeling healed.

Now I'm sitting on my porch, on a holiday of contrived freedom and colorful explosives. And I feel free. Free enough to admit my fears. To say them out loud. To address them directly in my life in new ways. And I didn't receive a single bit of advice or inspiring words to do so. She just loved me. Watching the fireworks, all I can think here tonight is I feel free. Free to let go of the crab. Of my fears. To trust in all due time, my life will find its way to my heart desires. To not be consumed with all my suppressed fears any longer. The lights are in the sky tonight, but in my heart and soul as well.

*love*
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I'm not sure why I just find it harder to post on threads that represents my Moon or Rising sign. It feels....foreign. Where others do so with ease.

Scorp Sun thread? Everyone and their mama that has Saturn, IC or whatever in the 8th house feels compelled to contribute to that thread because they somehow feel....like they can relate.

There is a level of understanding of people that conjunct my Moon (not so much Rising with the exception of people that have the same Rising signs as I do), but that's it.

I feel I can relate to them as much as I feel like I can relate to a cat.
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I'm not sure why I just find it harder to post on threads that represents my Moon or Rising sign. It feels....foreign. Where others do so with ease.

Scorp Sun thread? Everyone and their mama that has Saturn, IC or whatever in the 8th house feels compelled to contribute to that thread because they somehow feel....like they can relate.

There is a level of understanding of people that conjunct my Moon (not so much Rising with the exception of people that have the same Rising signs as I do), but that's it.



I feel I can relate to them as much as I feel like I can relate to a cat.

Lol!!

What are your three most dominant planets on pullen?



From highest to lowest:

Pluto and Merc equally

Jupiter and Saturn equally (so choose either for third place?)

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If your sun is I conjunct your moon that might explain that disconnect. I have dealt with that with my mars a lot. As I've aged I've managed to blend the energies better though and I see certain Gemini attributes more.
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Definitely. I mean think my moon has helped mellow me out a lot as I've aged. I don't necessarily feel a disconnect within myself (much of the time), I guess I just don't feel like a Gem or even close enough to say jump in and want to answer a Gem related thread. Even the Gem Moon threads, which are rare. This is not the same for my Venus though.
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Ah, so it turns out the one on my team whom I thought was a Libran was a Virgal after all. For one reason or another, I had mistaken her for a Libran.

She turned out to be rather irritating. She would never quit bragging about her most recent SO who happens to be a doctor, as if that is her greatest achievement in life. Already, complaining about a lack of a marriage proposal from him, after only a few mere months of being together with him. 😐

For many years, it seemed she was a serial monogamist, having run through and run down many a men. She wants prestige and perhaps even money along with it, now she believes she has found it in him, and demands a wedding soon (or at least wants one).

Strangely enough, her SO is also a Virgent but is extremely private and modest, quite unlike her.

If only she would quit sharing about her personal life, I would have a better peace of mind. Never quite understood how individuals, bring this much of themselves to their professional work environment. It irritates me so.

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Posted by MysteriousDreamer
So I'm sitting on the beach today envious of all the gorgeous tanned women around me lying in the sun while I'm hunched under an umbrella after taking a bath in sunscreen. Yet I still walk away looking like a lobster. ? Red hair, fair skin problems. Sigh....life just isn't fair.
Hair which is touched by fire and milky skin, always a beautifully stunning combination. 🙂

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That gif just reminded me of the dynamic between the two.

Scorp Venus is the only Scorp placement I handle with caution. I would unintentionally leave a few scars simply because the social expectations are different.
What you mean?
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Give me a few to get back to on this.

My moon is having a moment where I don't really want to respond to anything that requires a thoughtful response, but I will answer.
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That gif just reminded me of the dynamic between the two.

Scorp Venus is the only Scorp placement I handle with caution. I would unintentionally leave a few scars simply because the social expectations are different.
What you mean?
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I meant a few things. One, I've never been one to feel intimidated or thrown off by Scorp placements, especially Sun, Mars, Merc or Pluto. It's like I'm immune to them. Moon and Venus do cause me to pause a bit. Not because I am intimidated, I just tend to me more leery about engaging or entertaining the idea of getting involved with one. This is because I can be a little too nonchalant and (what they perceive as "distant") for these placements and unintentionally hurt, insult, minimize their feelings.

Secondly, I have learned over the years I have to be more careful with my words and I have found I have had to have the same convo over and over again because they just don't see things from my point of view or respect it. They force their needs upon me and it's like the "fixed" nature of Scorp is seen 10x stronger. There is this expectation that (socially) I conform to your rules of being, to your wants and needs and if I don't the manipulation, whining, badgering and passive aggressive nonsense comes out. That stuff works on non air moons. Not me. I get extremely irritated and can shut that out like I've gone deaf and that tends to hurt a watery Venus. It isn't intentional on my part, however if I've expressed my needs to you and your actions demonstrate that my needs aren't as important as yours and there is no compromise and then you proceed to manipulate me to get your way, I pretty much say okay, "you're feelings mean sh*t all to me as well". I'm just better equipped at making that hurt more. I've been told I don't care, I have heard the soft pleading voice and haven't been affected. Why, because it isn't about not caring about your needs. I have found with Venus in Scorp caring means I must give into your needs.

With the Scorp Venus, the ways they go about relating to a partner I don't think they're intentionally trying to control or restrict the other person because they don't respect personal freedom.The ones I have encountered simply have difficulty seeing past their own needs.

Regarding the difference in social expectations, these statements sort of summarize what I mean:

Scorp Venus: "If you're in a relationship why don't you want to spend every day with me, share everything with that person?"

Sag Venus: "Uhhhh, because I don't! Who the hell would want to do that, it's sounds so limiting and suffocating"

Scorp Venus: Life is to be enjoyed and explored with one person.

Sag Venus: Wuuuuuut? Life is to be enjoyed and explored. What better way to do that then to go out and meet as many people as possible? Have as many experiences as possible?

^^^This does not mean sleep with others, date other, simply engage the world and the richness it offers, including all the people in it (at least if the Venus is paired with a Scorp Sun, can't speak for other whorish pairings 😄). Again, from my experience Scorp Venus don't tend to see it that way. At least not initially. If you engage someone else, there is this assumption and associated anxiety that the other person will be "unfaithfulness" if they find another person witty or charming or at the very least, the fear that your partner doesn't think you're "enough" to make them happy.

Constantly repeating myself or feeling like I have to explain myself, my whereabout and why and how I conduct my life a certain way drains me and then I begin to get nasty because I don't feel like I am being heard. I end things. For a Venus in Sag not being open to understanding my need for space or trying to understand point of view is insulting.
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That gif just reminded me of the dynamic between the two.

Scorp Venus is the only Scorp placement I handle with caution. I would unintentionally leave a few scars simply because the social expectations are different.
What you mean?
I think she meant well.

Imo, tho. Scorpio venus can be hardy *sometimes*.

@PhoenixRising , may I know your sun sign? And mercury sign? Moon and jupiter?
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What do you think it is dear? If you had to guess.
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What I find the most interesting (but not surprising) about the man cave is that more women post and create threads than men. Isn't it suppose to be the one place where they are suppose to be getting away from the womenz?

Reminds me of a convo I had with my ex:

*looking at model homes, see this very nicely decorated space*

Gem: *😄* This has my name written allllll over it.

Scorp: Hmph.

Gem: No I don't think you understand. Man cave. Mine.

Scorp: *shrugs looks around*

Gem: No comment?

Scorp: Nope.

Gem: Hmmmm. So you're saying you wouldn't have a problem with me taking over the whole basement. You wouldn't come down here pestering me?

Scorp: Nope. *looks around*. Just one request.

Gem: Okay...?

Scorp: You stay down here.

Gem: What if I'm hungry?

Scorp: I guess I can throw a loaf of bread down the stairs every so often if I don't hear any movement.

Gem: What. Ever.

Scorp: 🙂
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@ellygant - where are you? 😢 I hope everything is going well.
🤗 🤗 🤗

Everything is good. 🙂 I've been having to be more internal as of late to sort through everything. I am so grateful you are thinking of me!

More good news is dad has finished chemo. Now we wait a month then they'll test to see where we go from here. Hopefully September will be full of good news.

So when are you moving to Atlanta missy? 😄

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Awwh, my thoughts and love are with you and yours 🤗

I have no doubt September will be a relief for you 🙂
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@ellygant - where are you? 😢 I hope everything is going well.
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Everything is good. 🙂 I've been having to be more internal as of late to sort through everything. I am so grateful you are thinking of me!

More good news is dad has finished chemo. Now we wait a month then they'll test to see where we go from here. Hopefully September will be full of good news.

So when are you moving to Atlanta missy? 😄

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I'm glad you're back around. I knew not to worry...













Too much 🙂
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Totally, utterly depressed.

It's been a week since my dog suddenly died of a heart attack. She was ”my" dog. All the other dogs were the Virgo's or a ”family” dog.

I remember when we adopted our son, she would go into his room every night without fail and sleep at the foot of his bed until he fell asleep.

I know she was "just a dog" but her loss has really left a hole in me.

I'm really sorry to hear that Rabbit.

And naw, our pets are never "just a...". They are definitely a huge part of our lives.
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Elly: I'm always sassy.

Leo: yeah. But like scary stab you sassy. Today you're sunny sassy. I like it.



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He's showy and proud like Leo but not in the same way as others. More down to earth. Less obsessive about winning or feeling on top. I honestly thought he was a cancer the first few months at work. He was quiet, observant and withdrawn.

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Sounds like my ex Leo. I always wondered why he was (and still seems to be) the only Leo I can tolerate for more than an hour.
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Elly: I'm always sassy.

Leo: yeah. But like scary stab you sassy. Today you're sunny sassy. I like it.



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He's showy and proud like Leo but not in the same way as others. More down to earth. Less obsessive about winning or feeling on top. I honestly thought he was a cancer the first few months at work. He was quiet, observant and withdrawn.

Sounds like my ex Leo. I always wondered why he was (and still seems to be) the only Leo I can tolerate for more than an hour.
Was your ex Leo more agreeable than other Leos? This one is. I'll admit it's a huge part of his charm. Occasionally he'll play bicker back and forth. Then when it starts to turn to a real power style argument he'll normally pause, roll over and be like 'Actually, you're probably right.'

So jarring for me since I rarely experience that with Leos. Disarms my defenses totally lol. He slowly is creeping up on the chinks in my armor.
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Hmmmm *reflects*.....agreeable....? I don't know if that was is the word, but I don't seem to be able to find the right word to describe his appraoch right now. We didn't argue. Not even light bickering. Mainly because in two ways he was just like me. He could be insistent and never asked for permission to do what he deemed to be right, especially when he was going into caretaker/protective mode. So I accepted it when he did his thing. He was actually the person that got me hooked on tea lol. Made it for me during my menstral cycle.

I've come to realize I thrive better with masculine astrological signs, even if I initially fight it. It's like they intuitively know how to respond to my secret desires.
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I understand the bit about Masculine signs... I like the way they address and challenge me. I feel I can be soft and taken care of and people rarely make me feel that way.

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This.

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Now I think I'd like a Masculine sign as sun or moon. Not for both lol.

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It's too much, and I say this from experience. In all cases they had Leeb Moons....lawd...



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...libra moon ...Challenge maybe, but in a roundabout fashion.
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I find it works better when the Moon is feminine. Take charge+empathetic.
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Posted by MysteriousDreamer
I guess I'm just fed up with being deceived and lied to by guys...having them walk all over me and use me like I don't matter...

Well, I'm sure you know this is far from the truth. People that treat others like this is because they don't feel like they matter and want to spread the misery.

I've learned long time ago that people like the Fish you mentioned aren't worth the energy to let them know how they made you feel or that they can't get away with it. Trust they know, they just don't care.

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... What he didn't know was that shortly after we stopped talking I did a background check on him for the hell of it. Found out his real age, real name...

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Too many things just didn't add up. He told me he was a doctor at a hospital I used to work at so I searched the hospitals directory and could not find anyone by the bogus name he gave me. His excuse was he was new and they didn't have his name in the system yet. So I did my own digging and found out everything about him.

I try to be a very nice person....sweet, kind, trusting (maybe too trusting), but I'm sorry, when it comes to this kind of stuff...don't fuck with me. I'll find out the dirt on you one way or another.

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Said by every Scorpio, everywhere 😄.