Sign Mates - Scorpio & Virgo

Have any of you read the book Sign Mates by Bernie Ashman??

I found the following paragraph almost scary in its accuracy for my experience...

A Virgo man is stopped in his tracks by the awesome presence of the Scorpio woman. She knows what she wants and how to get it, or so it appears to the Mercurian man. His mind can't seem to break through the mental frequencies of the Plutonian woman. She seems to know how to sidestep probing questions. This really gets the attention of the Virgo man. He likes her way of doing business. It reminds him of someone -- himself! She has the tendency to dig for information that most don't have the stomach for. The Mercurian man is thrilled by her passionate glance, but is uncertain about his ability to connect with his emotions. He wants to let this woman into his life, though she may upset the order to which he is accustomed. "Oh, what the heck," he thinks, "life isn't going to be as much fun without her." The Virgo man's routines could use spicing up by this woman with deep, penetrating eyes. He only hopes that he can keep her interest. She seems to already have figured out that he is hypnotized by her mysterious spirit. The Virgo man is delighted that this woman believes in him. "It must be true," he thinks, "What else explains how powerful and confident I feel?"

"A Virgo man is stopped in his tracks by the awesome presence of the Scorpio woman."

I stopped at the frist sentence :-) I saw no need to read any futher.

PM?

Shaka why you find it BS? Are you saying that you don't feel that way when you meet a scrop women? or is the attraction much deeper?

ok

Shaka,

You know you can say anything to me. The paragraph described my experience, but may not apply to you or other VirGuys. But, in particular:

1. A Virgo man is stopped in his tracks - yep, I can still remember the first time I passed her in a hallway here (HAD TO stop, and watch her walk away!).
2. She knows what she wants and how to get it - yep, there is no equivocation in her manner. She either cares & acts, or she could care less.
3. She seems to know how to sidestep probing questions - oh hell yeah! It was very frustrating for me in the beginning, and I fretted about it ad nauseum on DXP. Luckily, I got some of you Scorps to answer things she wouldn't...
4. He likes her way of doing business - yep, some of her habits / traits are almost Virgo. We tend to agree on things more than we disagree.
5. [Virgo man] is uncertain about his ability to connect with his emotions - yeah, this is a tough one for us Virgs. We're as passionate as a Scorp, but we don't want to let that chaotic mess out of the bottle (can be rough to try & clean up afterwards!).
6. she may upset the order to which he is accustomed - uh, ain't no may about it! She has single-handedly turned my complacent Virg world upside down!
7. He only hopes that he can keep her interest - I really fretted about that at the start, but not any more. We have so many common interests, and we both like to learn & grow, I don't forsee boredom creeping in.
8. The Virgo man is delighted that this woman believes in him - Scorp inspires confidence in Virgo, and Virgo provides a solid platform for Scorp to launch from - she knows she can do some riskier things (like have Twins!) because I'm gonna be there.

Other parts of the books applied as well, but this paragraph was one of the very best thumpnail sketches -- for me and my Scorp.

Shaka: "...I dont find anything mysterious about Scorpio women..."

It's in the eye of the beholder. I find Cancer Gals to be weepy and occasionally petulant, but other VirGuys are quite smitten with them. Before I started dating Debra, most of the guys in this building would've described her as more alluring than mysterious - she's a nice girl, but there's something about her that draws guys in...

Shaka: "To put a woman on a pedestal like that is just not healthy for any man's mental state."

True, but what if that same woman makes her man feel like a king? Is mutual admiration OK?? If I could ever get my stubborn wife to post here, y'all would hear her side of the story -- THAT would be very interesting, indeed!!

OK, skip the astrological mumbo jumbo, and use the Signs a Labels for certain personality types. Say that it has nothing to do with stars & planets, but is attributable to an (as yet) unknown cause(s). In that case, the trait descriptions are still valid, reliable, and consistent.

I'm a Virgo, you're a Virgo, my Dad is definitely a Virgo -- a discreet set of observable personality characteristics different from guys who are in other Signs. Why? We don't know! But the traits are there...

* Signs a Labels = Signs as Labels

I agree that there is a tendency to "puff up" the groups to which we belong - no matter what they are - and to act like we're special in some way or other...

As for Debra: I didn't know for a while after I met her that she was a Scorp (I had to dig to find out her birthday). Yeah, I raised a Scorp daughter, and I have a Scorp brother, but my approach to her was far different from those two!

When I did find out, I started Googling, and found this place.

Anyway, some people say Virgos are shy. I'm not shy, I just don't run my yap all the damn time. My Scorp is not mysterious, she's just private - only a select few know much about her personal life (and given that this is The South, where everybody knows everybody's business, that's saying something!).

(And before P-Angel jumps in: Yes, I yak about her personal life on DXP, but y'all don't know her in the real world, so that don't count!!)

It was only her frustration with me that goaded her into letting a little bit of the cat out of the bag about being interested in me - sometimes Virgo caution has unintended benefits!

"how r u M...?
long time no see...from my side..."


Hey lady! I'm good...nothing too serious that I cant handle, ya know
Yes, you've gone missing...again . I forgive you 😛
How are you? Hope allz well for ya?

Roxi: "why do you persist in trying to convert scorps to virgos dyr?"

Who says I am? Oh wait! Roxi's being Ms. Mary Contrary today...

I didn't write that book, some other dude did - I'm just sharing the info (that's what Virgos do!)...

"are you trying to convince yourself perhaps?"

Naw... I already got mine. Just tryin' to lead the rest of you recalcitrants to a land flowing with milk & honey (she's still breast-feeding) -- a country with well-tilled Earth and abundant Water (very fertile to say the least!). The choice of whether to stay or go is yours, of course...

(I'm just glad I made the move.)

fumingli_scorp: "Just reading your admiration towards your wife, Dyar, makes me love all virgos."

Great! And if y'all knew Debra, you'd see the way she admires me -- and is 100% loyal to me, day in and day out (and I'm not the easiest dude to get along with 24/7).

I like the way you described the "unfolding" of Scorp to Virg. If Virg can put aside the know-it-all attitude, he can learn a great deal about his "other side" (emotions) -- makes for a much fuller, richer life!

fumingli_scorp: "We are more fragile than you may think."

The Virgo Response: Finally! Someone we can protect who's worthy of that protection!

Again: To all Scorps, Virgo gets you... relax, and come into the light...

The "Sign Mates" book is really great, and unbiased. It is very positive in that it finds good things to say about all the signs. So EmGem, please read the Gemini/Scorpio section.

I am a Scorpio with Merc and Venus in Libra (with Merc being the ruler of my chart). I really dislike saying horrible things about people. If I have to criticize someone, I try to find nice things to say, and then say the horrid thing.

Of course, being a Scorp, I sometimes lose my cool and scream exactly what I was thinking all along. But this doesn't happen all that often.

f_s,

Referring back to the book, Ashman starts the Virgo-Scorpio chapter with...

Virgo-Scorpio: The Thorough Ones
Virgo + Scorpio = In-depth Planning

These two signs can dissect any idea or thought down to its bare bones. An intense drive to be successful is part of this sign chemistry. There are few couples who can out think or out work this pair. Virgo can help Scorpio to stay focused on following through on decisions. Scorpio influences Virgo to remember that passion for one's best efforts to be successful. Both can be quite dedicated to excellence. These are two lovers who can fight and forgive in an instant. The emotional turmoil that brews regularly seems to fuel great creativity. Each prefers to maintain stability because it is easier on the mind and body. Virgo can encourage Scorpio not to miss important details. Scorpio reminds Virgo to be aware of the underlying reasons for actions. A winning formula is based on making each other feel confident in your chosen roles.

Based on my experience, this is pretty accurate as a thumbnail sketch of the principal dynamics between these two signs...

A winning formula is based on making each other feel confident in your chosen roles.

Lots of trial and error required to get to where we are now... smooth!

Imagine... A Scorp describing herself as fragile... your honesty is appreciated!

fumingli_scorp: "I'm surprised you don't know already how fragile we are."

When I first started dating Debra, I didn't get it. We're both strong personalities, and we both seemed to have our sh1t together. But over time, we each perceived inherent weaknesses in each - we would push each other too hard, and someone would break...

Now... We know our respective strengths and weaknesses, and a symbiotic synergy has developed between us. We make each other stronger. Very cool!

sagigoat: "he is the most loving and tender man i've ever known in person."

Bless your heart! They are amazing creatures, aren't they?! Takes a careful eye to catch it, and persistence to embrace it, but the rewards are beyond measure...

"...we still don't make it easy for anyone to possess us completely..."

Not to worry! Virgo doesn't want to own your Soul, we just wanna understand your Mind... (Unfortunately, Scorpio sees that as an attempt at possession!)

I would love to sit down, collect all this DXP wisdom, and create a web site for Scorpio & Virgo courtship, but I honestly don't have time...

Would be nice if one of the young'uns on this forum took the hint and the initiative...

I suspect such a site would get a good number of hits!

branh0913: "With Scorps you get a borderline sociopath, a lunatic, and someone emotionally unstable."

Hilarious!! Oh! You were serious?? Dude, pass the reefer - don't be stingy!!

"...Scorpios realize that Virgos outclass them in everyway."

Brandon, where does legendary Virgo modesty jive with that bullsh1t statement??

"Scorps will spend most of their time admiring Virgos and emulating their ways."

About half right. I agree with Scorpio & Virgo being a Mutual Admiration Society - wish y'all could spend a weekend with Lord & Lady DY, and you'd see what I mean...

"Very good couple as far as I can see."

Yes, we are. Inseparable. Unstoppable. Serious. Committed. Secretly wildly passionate. Oh! And fertile!

Brandon,

Your protestations are obvious proclamations of your overwhelming desire to have a Scorpio Female in your life. Drop the pretense, dump the bullsh1t, and one may just give you more than a passing glance...

Then you'll be love-struck fool trumpeting the talents of this phenomenal female on DXP, and I can get back to tending my land so my Scorpio children will have a decent inheritance...

"He just didn't explain it well until i b!tched."

It's OK! He thought you trusted him. Next time, you will!

"Better go now before I get emotional..."

Yes... save the water for Him.

Dang it! You're making me reassess my thoughts about Cappies!

Roxi: "stone cold sober."

Then, sweetheart, you should drink more - and often!

"...verbally constipated or something??"

I think you meant verbal diarrhea or vomitus...

:: Smiles back knowingly. ::

Roxi,

Maybe you and Brandon should hook up - I'd pay good money for a video of that encounter!

Roxi [on Scorpio love]: "this is not easily achieved - if ever at all."

Y'all aren't easy, or cheap - but neither are we. Quality. It matters.

Roxi [on Brandon in this thread]: "he's full of crap."

But... he's been excreting frequently on this thread, right? Sharing his wealth...

:: Once again, a Virg points out plain facts to a Scorp. ::

sagigoat: "...guess i should thank mr. scorp's virgo rising and virgo moon..."

Yes! You should! Lots of solid Earth to soak up a lot of that muddy water!

Roxi: "...it was a moronic virgo that brought me here."

And it was a crazy Scorpio that brought me here. We're even now, right?

Roxi,

I'm just picking at you, and you know it. You also know that I have the highest regard for you, even if you may be P-Angel in drag...

MercInAries: "dyer, you are seriously pussy-whipped."

Dude, Virgs are serious about everything! Same as the Lexus people...

Roxi: "you married your scorp and had babies all within ten seconds flat!"

Uh... well, we did get married before conception - no bastards in this house (except yours truly, of course!)...

Roxi: "i had the common sense to steer clear of the creep."

Good for you. And admit it, after swapping sh1t with me for years, you see we're not all a bunch of douche-bags...

"I can't even remember the last time I've listened to anyone, epsecially a Scorpio..."

You seem to be paying plenty of attention to Roxi...

Roxi: "you will have to try a little harder"

You gotta stop talking to my wife! That's simply not cricket!

Funny, but for all this pussy-whipped Virgo nonsense, I'm the one layin' pipe and making babies with a very willing, full-blooded Scorpio female (uh... and I'm the Top 90% of the time)...

"I like pointing out hypocrisy, and Scorps are ripe with it"

That's why they don't like you...

Roxi: "i have to go to bed now."

Yep, Virgs have that effect on Scorps!

MIA: "...i got some BDSM to work out, hopefully on that azz."

They won't take the whip work-out, no matter how horny you make them. (So I've heard.)

But if you can jimmy that joy-stick, they'll ride all night...

Roxi: "virgos have that effect as in they are soporiphic."

True. After I've been in the saddle for 3-4 hours, my Scorp is ready for a good night's sleep, too!

Sweet dreams!!

Roxi: "thanks. i've been having a spot of trouble sleeping lately too."

You're welcome! But... you really need to get your own Virg - only so much I can do for you over the Internet...

http://books.google.com/books?id=b-CrhjKcV6kC&pg=PA87&lpg=PR9&vq=Pisces+Capricorn-Pisces:+The+Conscientious+One&dq=% 22a+virgo+man+is+stopped+in+his+tracks+by+the+awesome+presence+of+the+scorpio+woman+she+knows+what+she+wants+and+how+to+get+it+or+so+it+appears+to+the% 22&output=html&sig=AuDusMqUc17Bwv_YyqJJ7qPe8S4">Rox, this I dedicate to U 😉

LadyM thanks again for providing such a wonderful source on astrology !

OK, Brandon, let's try to make sense of what you wrote...

Virgos have emotional stability, Scorps don't.

Completely wrong. Virgo's maintain a stable exterior by suppressing emotions
because they're afraid to lose control. Scorps have enough self-confidence to
express their true feelings, and regain control faster and with less chagrin.
Both signs like to keep things calm most of the time. We don't like to fight
with each other, and we both fight fair when we do disagree...

Virgos are more intelligent, because they rely on facts. Scorps rely on
rhetoric and half truths.

Close, but no cigar! Virgos are better scholars than Scorps, who rely more on
their native intuition and instincts - they have more faith in their innate
abilities than Virgs, who are constantly looking for validation of their
analyses (whether they ever admit it or not).

Virgos in general are better looking than Scorps. More models are Virgos than
Scorps.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Many of today's models have the physique
of a concentration camp victim, so holding them up as an exemplar of beauty is
not a persuasive position for me.

Virgos have a higher per capita income than Scorps. That mean Virgos are much
more industrious and adjust to market conditions better.

I can't prove it, but I suspect this is a fact. Virgs work hard, and are thrifty, and that helps build up the assets. My ScorpWife is also frugal (as a single mom, she had to be!), but my Scorp Brother is much looser with his $ $ than she is...

Virgos are more flexible. The stability of earth makes Virgo objectives more
pronoucned, but is able to adjust to situations quickly.

Flexible stability?? Adjust quickly?? No f'ing way! Like a lot of folks, Virgs have a core set of beliefs that are unshakable, but our minds are open to new ideas, and we can be flexible in our dealings with others. We are mutable. But I wouldn't say Virgs are quick to adjust to something new or different...

Virgos get over things much more quickly and bounce back. It isn't unordinary
to see Scorps mope, bitch, and whine for years on end.

Scorps brood more than Virgs, but both signs are pretty resilient in the school of hard knocks. No Scorp I know is a frequent whiner or bitcher, but they do seem to have a harder time letting go of emotional baggage than Virgs.

fumingli_scorp: "Thank you, Dyar. It is an honour to have your exclusive support, especially coming from an intelligent, courageous, loving virgo with principles."

Thank you for your kind words, but do be careful, or the DXP Loud Mouths will be calling you my ass-kisser - another member of DY's DXP Fan Club - or worse! The funny thing is, these same retards will insist that Scorpio Women would never settle for a cream-puff, and yet will turn right around and call me pussy-whipped. Logic clearly argues otherwise...

The facts in my situation: A sweet Scorpio Woman humbled herself a teeny tiny bit, and admitted to a coworker that she was interested in me. Like most straight red-blooded men on this military installation, I responded to it. (Given that at least 90% of the men in our building would love to be in my position - yep, meant that one! - my reaction to her was not shocking.) As a Virgo Male, her honest desire for me was simply irresistible (too bad Robert Palmer is gone, he'd know what I mean!), and I have no regrets in opening myself up more than she did to allay her mistrust of men in general...

Admittedly, my reality is not as exciting as some pinheads on here would like for it to be; and, calling me the luckiest Virgo on DXP isn't nearly as satisfying as calling me pussy-whipped; but, those are the facts...

Since I suspect that pea-green envy is partially responsible for this crap, y'all hug on the following (since you obviously have nobody real to hug on)...

Her loving is so powerful, huh
It's simply unavoidable
The trend is irreversible
The woman is invincible

She's a natural law, and she leaves me in awe
She deserves the applause, I surrender because
She used to look good to me, but now I find her

Simply irresistible
Simply irresistible