Sometimes it gets so hard to let go

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You all know about my episodes with the married Scorp, who was separated, back with his wife, then separated again etc.?

I ended it for good awhile ago. Yet he kept popping back up begging to spend time together etc. This time I felt it was healthier not to even spend a friendly dinner or drink for awhile because we both were and are still very emotionally connected.

I admit I fell in love with him, yeah he did initially and long before me, but I did at some point and that was the point to walk away. We tried a couple times and neither of us could stay away. Finally I ended it. He has since stalked me. Sent gifts, paid my daughters afterschool tuition without me knowing and not accept the money back and as of late. Told me he is filing for divorce and he is moving out.

I told him that sounds great if that is what he wants to do, but I cannot and will not be involved with him until it actually happened if I was available by then. I do love him, but I won't be the other woman. He has been emailing me expressing his love and feelings for me over the past months telling me I am slowly killing him, deeply expressing the difference of his love for me than the love he has for his wife etc. How important his children are to him and he wants to grow up in the same home as them (all this before claiming to file for divorce and moving).

So, his wife got a hold to his blackberry and saw all the messages and emails he was sending me and he claimed she threw everything bu the kitchen sink at him and he said he just told her he was in love with me and he couldn't help it etc. She said she wasn't letting anyone take him away etc.

I pitty him. That is a sad way to live. I told him to please not contact me at all and to handle his business and deal with whatever it is he needs to handle. It hurts but it is best for all involved. If he ever does get a divorce and move out. Who knows what could happen, but if he can cheat on a woman he has been with for 11 years married to for 6. Then whose to say he won't do it to me. I have gotten mixed advice on that 1. You can't compare whatever is between you too and what was between them etc. 2. He loves you in different ways. He loves her for sticking by him through rough patches in his life and being there. He loves you because you touch his soul and you get along so well and are like one person (in his own words. My friends just repeated what he always tell me).

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I am just venting because as hard and crazy as the dating scene has been for me. The one person that seems to be great with me is unavailable and that really sucks! He has so many amazing qualities. He is a little insane and yes tries to jeopordize anyone else I have ever tried to date, but when we were together it was great.

Sigh.... Just venting. And to think I couldn't stand scorp men!!! Now I have accumulate 3 scorp guy friends whom I love to death. Like brothers, very good friends indeed.
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Irishlibra, I don't think he will ever move out completely. He has for periods of time of separation to a family's building etc. When we met we were both separated from our spouses and just started hanging out. At which time I wasn't looking for anything serious.

I basically told him, if he ever really moves out and get a divorce, then look me up - If I am still available. That drove him nuts. But this is too much drama for me. I need a drama free life right now. Trying to do too much and I have a daughter to put all my energy into.

I do love him, but I love myself more.
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See!!..another scorpio woman involved with a married man....is this a trend among Scorpio women? It really winds me up.

I swear we must be a married man magnet or something. The amount of married men that want to date me is bordering on stupid. I simply WILL NOT ever date anyone who is married regardless of whether they are having problems in their marriage..that is not my problem..i couldn't care less what problems you are having..I aint your shoulder to cry on..I have my own issues thank you!...

Sheesh...I hate married men...lying cheating swines...

::steps off the soapbox::
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LOL..I agree VGM...they should be told at every given opportunity...a reminder of the vows they bestowed upon their beloved....

Why set yourself up to be treated 2nd best....you will never be the wife...jeez!...wake up already...

QS..I didn't actually read to see whether you were actually involved with the married man but I just glanced over it...this kind of relationship will always get my back up!

There are plenty of free men out there...albeit fuckin retards...but they are there...

With regards to married men, somebody got there before you...deal with it!
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I understand how you feel, really I do and I will never date another married man again. And before you throw me over a cliff with your words, let me just explain the reason for my adultry.

First man I met, I was in my late 20's he was way older than me, I was intrigue with this man and how he was treating me, it peaked my interest. I go home to tell my Gem MOM about the guy and asked her "Why do people date married men?" my mother told me to do it and find out. I can safely say that it was truly a learning experience.

It only lasted about 6 month and it was over. He started treeboxing me(sitting in my parking lot waiting for me to get home), telling me what I can and cannot do. And because he was an ex cop, he got my gf's number one day when I was there and he called me there. He would come and bang on my door and be drunk, wanted to put me in a townhouse, but I had to give him a key, a big mess. I ended it by calling the cops on him and some other stuff. I found out later when I ran into him again, that this is what he does, because he had another young chick that he was trying to do the same thing to.

I went home to my mother and told her all that I experiene. She said some women just like dating married men, being the other women. So I went to him and said if you want me to be the othr women then you need to treat me like you treat our wife. Of course he was not doing that so it was over.



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The second one I met was (virgo, who is my best friend and is know dying from Lou Garretts Disease) I men him in a club, I knew he was married because he told me, but the chemtry was so strong,he left the club and came back and said he had to dance with me one More time. Who would not love that kind of attention. The only different with him is that it took him 6 months to trust and believe that I would not screw up his marriage, and I had no intentions of that, to me it was a fling that was hot for both of us.

It was over in 3 months because we were getting to close, he started popping up at my house without calling, I had to let him know how I felt about that, and how I was not going to be just someone he sleep with. So he said to me, If I can afford you I would but I can't, so we became just friends, and the sex stopped. He would still come and see me but he only did that when he was stressed and needed a friend.

He trusted me, he knew I had no intentions of screwing up his marriage and I did not want him to leave his wife, which made the friendship even better. He still calls me every know and then just to let me know how he is doing he is no longer working because of the disease.

That sadest part about my friendship with him is that he will be gone, and I would lose one of the best male friend I have ever met.

I no longer have the desire to date married men, I have learned so much and it is not something that I would risk my heart, body or soul for.

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"Scorpiosity. It isn't you. (((Hugs))) Your partner doesn't deserve you if they didn't think enough of you not to cheat on you." ~QueenScorpio

QS, you said this on a different thread. I think you can definitely apply this to your situation here. You said you are venting so I'm sure you've made up your mind to cut him out of your life forever. Good. He doesn't deserve you. He's a cheater. He's a LIAR. If you remain involved with him you will become no better than him and will draw the wrong men to you.

God save the Queen.

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"I see more strength in this marriage than I do in your posts about you and him. One
thing to remember, when a marriage is over, typically there's no fight left because
they BOTH simply don't care. His wife's statement about not letting anyone
take him away speaks volumes. He keeps going back. Even if he moves out and files,
there's no guarantee they will divorce. When you hear the "i's" have been dotted and
the "t's" have been crossed (after about a year or so...) then maybe perhaps you
have a shot. Until then, you really should move on and away from this. Let THEM decide
what THEY need to do."

LOL!!! In my opinion the marriage isn't even a marriage at all, because the respect is gone, once that happens it continues to be all down hill from there, especially when he talks about her badly to others and myself. I am divorced so I know first hand. A relationship with me? In my opinion there really was never a real one with us to begin with. We were both still married yet separated from our spouses when we met and I definitely wasn't looking for a relationship. at that time. So we just hung out got really close and eventually fell in love simple. Although we were both married still, niether of us were living in the same households as our spouses, however he did have another girl he was involved with before me while he was still living with his wife, something I didn't find out to much later. Bottom line, I got divorced he didn't then he eventually tried again, I even suggested that he did at a point. If I could have made my marriage work I would have, but it was over so I divorced him after I was sure I tried everything to salvage it first.

I have moved on. He just needs to because I hate rejecting him the way I do. He is punishing himself. No means no. Simple.



"I simply WILL NOT ever date anyone who is married regardless of whether they are having problems in their marriage..that is not my problem..i couldn't care less what problems you are having..I aint your shoulder to cry on..I have my own issues thank you!...

Exactly! He wasn't with her when we met, but he never divorced I did and now I want a real relationship so there is no room for him in my life, because he is still married and doesn't seem to be getting a divorce (he has moved out before).



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"Why set yourself up to be treated 2nd best....you will never be the wife...jeez!...wake up already...

Yeah you clearly didn't read my post, or you would see I am never second to anyone and I am not going to start now. I was a wife too remember? I did fall in love with him while we were both separated from our spouses and he is still crazy about me literally.

"QS, you said this on a different thread. I think you can definitely apply this to your situation here. You said you are venting so I'm sure you've made up your mind to cut him out of your life forever. Good. He doesn't deserve you. He's a cheater. He's a LIAR. If you remain involved with him you will become no better than him and will draw the wrong men to you."

Exactly my point 🙂


I have never dated a married man or a man who was involved with anyone else on any level. However, while I was separated from my spouse I casually dated people in the process he and I just fell in love, he was in the same boat at the time. The difference is he isn't divorced I am and he doesn't look like he will. His reasons are a reality but cowardly in my opinion. I once asked if he was so miserable why didn't he get a divorce. His statements were cowardly:

"It is cheaper to keep here." "I don't want my daughter growing up without me in her day to day life. While we were separated I didn't see her every night and every morning. I want a family environment for my son especially since his mom abandoned him." Although I found that rather cold and inconsiderate. It was his choice at the time. Now he is singing a new song and dance. But as I told him. I definitely wouldn't be waiting for you. Life happens we don't control it. If for some reason you actually do those things and finalize it and I am available and still interested, who knows? In the meantime life goes on. I care for you and wish you much peace in your life. Simple.

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Scorpionlady - Wow, I have never dated a married man while he was with his wife knowingly anyway - who knows. Even when I met this scorp I didn't know he was married until after 3 dates. I did know he didn't live with her he stayed at one of his family's properties. I would pass it everyday to my car after work. That is how we met he followed me to my car for 4 weeks before I gave him my number and went on a date with him. So you see we were both in the same situation, I guess you could say we got comfortable pacifying eachother. He said he thought about getting a divorce at the time or coming to a living arrangement to be in the house with his daughter etc. So I never really thought he would get a divorce but I did know he wasn't living there. Hence I was at his place several times.

He is a continual stalker though and I hate that. That alone dampered our chances of friendship to an extent as well. All the "I love you's" I know he does, but it isn't the kind of love I deserve and that is what I tell him.

Thanks for your comments. It gets hard sometime when I am lonely and something reminds me of him. Thats all. We had a connection deeper than I have had with any man. We were so in tuned. Damn!!! If I could find a single guy who I click with like that I would be a happy camper right about now. It will happen soon I hope!
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Virgotime

"I go home to tell my Gem MOM about the guy and asked her "Why do people date married men?" my mother told me to do it and find out.
I no longer have the desire to date married men, I have learned so much and it is not something that I would risk my heart, body or soul for."


All because mom told you to give it a try eh? Good ole mom. People don't "date"
married men, they get used by them for a piece of ass. Married men lie to get that piece of
ass and yes, they will wine and dine you to get that cheap piece of ass, and in their mind
cheaper than a prostitute. Didn't momma tell you that? Maybe her momma didn't tell her that?
Next time you do get a desire for a married man, picture yourself laying across a meat
slicer, that should qwelch the desire some...maybe.

Apparently you forgot to read my last sentance.....

"I no longer have the desire to date married men, I have learned so much and it is not something that I would risk my heart, body or soul for."

I don't regret nothing that I have done.

As for my mom, I don't know maybe your mother teaches you different, (How to be a snob), but my mom was teaching me in her own way. And when it was over and done with, She asked me what did I learn. I would rather learn through life experience than to never have done it and judge someone for it.

FYI - Life is full of experience, and it is up to you to decide what type of experiences you like to try. I choose to date a married man it happened I learned from it and I moved on.

As for my last friends that was married,(who is sick now) I will always treasure the friendship we had, that man will always have a special place in my heart.

FYI - Make no mistake about it. When a married man is dating outside his marriage, it is because he is

1. UNHAPPY, the wife is not putting out or the marriage has gotten boring, or other reasons unknown to the women that they meet. Simple.

I sure hope when you get married that your husband don't get out on you.

So the next time you want to judge someone look in the mirror and judge yourself first, make sure your shit is in order first.

Peace.

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QS

"Scorpionlady - Wow, I have never dated a married man while he was with his wife knowingly anyway - who knows. Even when I met this scorp I didn't know he was married until after 3 dates. I did know he didn't live with her he stayed at one of his family's properties. I would pass it everyday to my car after work. That is how we met he followed me to my car for 4 weeks before I gave him my number and went on a date with him. So you see we were both in the same situation, I guess you could say we got comfortable pacifying eachother. He said he thought about getting a divorce at the time or coming to a living arrangement to be in the house with his daughter etc. So I never really thought he would get a divorce but I did know he wasn't living there. Hence I was at his place several time"

I told that story to let you know that I have experienced dealing with married men as well. Although my encounters happened when I was in my late 20's to my late 30's,snd is different from yours. The fact still remains they were married man. I again don't regret it at all.

With me and because my ass was so suspicious, when they both approached me the frist thing I asked was "Are you attached, married, have a girl," It was so easy to look at them and see that they were lying so I played along. And the choice was mines to walk away or stay.

Back then I was young very big on risk taking and I was haviing fun, loving life and having the time of my life 🙂 but then you do grow up and find that that is not what you want to do.

To this day the virgo that is dying he still calls me to let me know how he is doing, that was something that he decided he was going to do, as well let me know when he goes to the hospital, and when the day comes for the lord to call him home, I will get a phone call as well.

I know some people can look at that as bad. But I see it as, he came in to my life for reason and a season, he will not be in my life for a lifetime. So I treasure those special moments with him, because when he is gone all I will have is a memory of very special man, that had a good heart. 😢

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There you go assuming again. I was never hurt when dating the first married man... Read my post again, I LEFT HIM...because he was getting a bit out of hand, trying to control, treeboxing me, looking up my friends numbers trying to track me down because he thought he could do that because he was a ex cop.

5-6 years later I meet an other married man, never did I have intentions on, being with him for the rest of my life, that was stated in my post as well.


See what you mother should have taught you was to stop thinking that you have all the answers and you know right from wrong. Nothing I done was wrong in my eyes. expecially when I look at my experiences as life lessons, and I am not affraid to do things because my mother told me I should or should not.

You are not perfect and neither is your mother... as well as my mother. Know because you want to judge my mother for her actions that is fine... I am not judging her I am thinking her because had I not experienced it myself I would have been like most women who date married man waiting for them to leave the wives when I for one know that a married man would never leave his wife for another women.


So what every you want to think about what I did and what my mother said that is fine, It is my life not yours it was my PAST not yours. Again I don't REGRET IT.


You know you must have some serious issues because everytime you talk you talk like you have much attitude and mad at the world. LOL

I am happy, I am in love, and the one person that I love the most in this world is my MOM MOM MOM, I have morals and values and dignity as well as confidence, strength, and courage and I am not afraid to learn anything that is put in front of me to learn if I choose to regardless of what you or anyone think,

My mom is very knowlegeable, one of the smartest people I know. So what you think about what she told me is between me and my mom and I don't regret her telling me to go learn for myself.

So you keep learning what your mother taught you and I hope when you grow up that she has taught you how to live in this world, and you might want to hope that you never get hurt by a man. Which you probably already has, and that is why you are so BITTER.

PEACE
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"QS,

give yourself time and him an ultimatum.. Divorce is a long process and not easy atall.. if he is sincere he will walk over fire to reach you."

I know Archer, I have been through one.

Who knows what will happen? I love him, but I love myself more. I won't sit around and wait. He might get a divorce and he might not. I will date and if Mr. Right comes along then that will be that. I had to break away because I need to be emotionally available for someone who is "Available" - In the meantime I am concentrating on some personal stuff right now and we will see what happens in the "love life" department.
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"I had to break away because I need to be emotionally available for someone who is "Available" - In the meantime I am concentrating on some personal stuff right now and we will see what happens in the "love life" department."

That's very good ... There was love there but the situation is a bad one. No matter how you turn it around, I don't see anything good coming out of it. So you'll have to go against your emotions on this one and let go and that's hard but the good is at the end and it worth it. I think you've been technically single but emotionally taken. You have to empty your heart for the next Man to come in and get the best of you.