BEFORE MY INSIDES BLOW ----

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there is no proof of those accusations and the people that followed this story when it first surfaced know the children initially spoke against these accusations but it was the greedy PARENTS that kept this crap going, they wanted MONEY, who wants money for a despicable act!? There was no evidence but there was extortion going on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michael_Jackson<BR>
Let the man rest...
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I think for some adults it is very uneasy to admit what they did was a sinn/crime. They believe they were loving someone. Psychics often say they thought they were loving and the object of their agression was inviting them.

So maybe he did things he could not admit. maybe he did nothing. maybe he accepted just what lawyers told him. maybe he is victim of conspiracy.

For me he was the entertainer who sang for our EARTH.
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Posted by BellaBulleautiful
Posted by Starfish225
"even if he was all of that. He still did alot for Music. And that's what people are celebrating more than anything."


Absolutely!!!!


"if someone molested your child, would your take money, shut up, and go away? OR would you take the treetrunker down?"


A person that loves their child would take a motherfucker down for that the money would be the last thing on their mind.



A person who loves their child would not send him to spend the night with a freak.
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UNLESS...that parent saw opportunity for extortion and let's face it, not every parent knows how to parent a children case in point the MJ case would have never happened if a parent wasn't allowing money, power, fame and monetary opportunity to cloud there judgement.
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Posted by DyarStra??_e

... including Cappy's own "10 Inches - that's how big he is" thread...




HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh you saved my 'he has a big cock' thread lol!!! Well, I don't care, that thread was funny and I'm kinda sorry I deleted it. I'm not sure why I delete really ...


Anyway, on a serious note DY -- if you take pleasure in stalking me, then don't fret, I completely understand your position. You certainly aren't the first Virgo to do so 😉

Granted, I may have trouble with those darn virguys but once I get past it, damn it, its hard to shake them off hahahahaha.


So trust me, I understand, you are only acting out your normal tendencies ^_^.


Saving my threads hey? hehehehe ..... 😛
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Posted by P-Angel
I love it when you show your colors like this CappySweetie ..... people need to be aware that you are the one who flags simply because someone says things you don't approve of.





lol, true colors my ass P-Angel. How dare you say, I'm the one who flags threads because I "simply disagree".

If I flag anything, its because I view it as a lack of taste and I have that right to do so.


Like SPA, you certainly have no right talking about me 😉


Anyway, like most of the users here have said, "adults" need to learn how to let shit go. Innocent until proven guilty.

I remember I was accused of doing something at work not too long ago. I didn't freaking do it but there were people who thought I was guilty as sin.

I know I didn't do it and it was even proven I didn't do it, but people still have there opinions. I told two of the women who love to just run their mouthes to kiss my ass 🙂
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Cappy: Anyway, like most of the users here have said, "adults" need to learn how to let shit go.

Indeed. So, why do you feel compelled to flag a thread you find "distasteful" when other adults on DXP have a different opinion of it??

Wouldn't it be more mature to let the thread stand - or should only the voices you agree with be heard??

Ahhhhh.... Typical. Capricorn. Definitely not a mutable Sign!
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Posted by DyarStra??_e

Cappy: on a serious note DY -- if you take pleasure in stalking me, then don't fret, I completely understand your position.

WTF??

Responding to your posts on the Virgo Board IS NOT stalking you.

Saving threads that I spend my valuable time commenting on is also not stalking you - or anyone else.

Why create a thread to later delete it?

THAT'S the real question...




Its part of my Aqua persona DY. Once I'm done with something, I'm done with it. There I get rid of it so I won't go back to it lol!
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Posted by DyarStra??_e

Cappy: Anyway, like most of the users here have said, "adults" need to learn how to let shit go.

Indeed. So, why do you feel compelled to flag a thread you find "distasteful" when other adults on DXP have a different opinion of it??

Wouldn't it be more mature to let the thread stand - or should only the voices you agree with be heard??

Ahhhhh.... Typical. Capricorn. Definitely not a mutable Sign!




Whoa, whooooooa, whoa. Wait a minute dude. Theres a difference between having a different opinion and throwing someone under the bus. The man is dead ... he was thrown under the bus enough before his passing. As a matter of fact, theres some breaking news thats coming out concerning that boy that accused him of all that stuff back in 1993 -- the boy who started all of this shit. I want to hear what he's going to say ...


hahahaha, I have to laugh at the 'typical capricorn' statement. Hey, I'm a capricorn all day 😛 lol, I just become more capricorn when I feel someone is being thrown to the wolves.

Offline, I protect people like this too ^_^. If you think I'm bad with MJ on here, you should see the way I've been for the last few days offline. My goodness lol
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RainingPeanuts is not the first person to accuse Michael Jackson of pedophilia - nor will she be the last.

I don't see her opinion as "throwing him under the bus" when he was tried - and exonerated - in a court of law; same as OJ Simpson, and yet lots of adults still think he murdered two people... Are they throwing OJ under the bus, too??

I just become more capricorn when I feel someone is being thrown to the wolves.

Everyone except DY, right? You didn't address the "stalking" charge you made against me...
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Posted by DyarStra??_e

RainingPeanuts is not the first person to accuse Michael Jackson of pedophilia - nor will she be the last.

I don't see her opinion as "throwing him under the bus" when he was tried - and exonerated - in a court of law; same as OJ Simpson, and yet lots of adults still think he murdered two people... Are they throwing OJ under the bus, too??

I just become more capricorn when I feel someone is being thrown to the wolves.

Everyone except DY, right? You didn't address the "stalking" charge you made against me...



OJ shouldn't be mensioned in the same sentence as MJ, theres no way.

Stalking charge? hahaha, calm down, it wasn't a charge against you, it was a statement -- this isn't a trial dear 😉 If you feel the need to save threads, thats your business. However you intend to use the threads you save, thats your business.
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I do not understand why some folks on here act as though they are the experts or that they KNOW first hand what Michael Jackson did or did not do. I am not going to say that MJ molested those boys or did not b/c i do not know. I was not in the bed room. Furthermore, non of the cases even went to the court. It strikes me a bit odd that the parents of these boys who accused MJ of molesting them all settled out of court. If my child was truly molested by anyone I would take them to every court of the law there is. Truthfully, we can all speculate about what we think did or not happen. But let's all be honest, get off our high horses for just one second. NON OF US KNOW what went on beyond a shadow of doubt and to claim that we do is absurd.

Hmmm....if some people used the same amount of criticism and judgment on themselves that they use on others, the world would be a better place.
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natural25: Furthermore, non of the cases even went to the court. It strikes me a bit odd that the parents of these boys who accused MJ of molesting them all settled out of court.

Wrong...

"The People v. Jackson trial (2005) began in Santa Maria, California, two years after Jackson was originally charged. During this period the singer became dependent on morphine and Demerol, a dependency which he subsequently overcame. He also suffered from stress-related illnesses and severe weight loss, that would alter his appearance. The trial lasted five months, until the end of May 2005, he was acquitted on all counts [DY's underline].[124][125][126] Jackson then relocated to the Persian Gulf island of Bahrain as a guest of Sheikh Abdullah.[127]"

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson#1993.E2.80.9394:_Sexual_abuse_accusations_and_first_marriage]
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Posted by DyarStra??_e

natural25: Furthermore, non of the cases even went to the court. It strikes me a bit odd that the parents of these boys who accused MJ of molesting them all settled out of court.

Wrong...

"The People v. Jackson trial (2005) began in Santa Maria, California, two years after Jackson was originally charged. During this period the singer became dependent on morphine and Demerol, a dependency which he subsequently overcame. He also suffered from stress-related illnesses and severe weight loss, that would alter his appearance. The trial lasted five months, until the end of May 2005, he was acquitted on all counts [DY's underline].[124][125][126] Jackson then relocated to the Persian Gulf island of Bahrain as a guest of Sheikh Abdullah.[127]"

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson#1993.E2.80.9394:_Sexual_abuse_accusations_and_first_marriage]



Thanks for bringing this up. However, he was acquited. Listen, I a not saying that the man did or did not do it. I have no idea nad I am not going to sit up here and act as if I know MJ, the boys or what went on. But i think we can all agree that non of the cases (even the case referenced above) had any legs to stand on. Otherwise the others would have went to trial and the above case would have had a different result. My point is that it is very interesting to me to hear other speak with so much hate on a subject that no one (but the parties who were involved) know what actually went down. It is almost as if MJ is guilty until proven innocent opposed to innocent until proven guilty.

Besides, what good does it do to wish MJ to hell and carry hate in your (not "your" as in you - you in general terms) heart for someone. What is the point? Furthermore, what does that say about a person who does this and their character....
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It is almost as if MJ is guilty until proven innocent opposed to innocent until proven guilty.

That's pretty common in sexual abuse cases - especially when the accused is a man.

FYI: Many cases aren't brought to trial because the prosecutor doesn't have a strong enough case to win... which still doesn't mean a crime wasn't committed...

Check the stats: For every 1 woman who takes a man to court for rape, how many go unreported / adjudicated??

Sex abuse cases are difficult to prove without DNA evidence, objective witnesses, and/or video of the abuse.

MJ could have been a pedophile, or a harmless weirdo... we may never know for sure.
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"You know, some people still believe that NASA faked the Apollo moon landings..."

Lol. True.

"But even that doesn't prove he wasn't a pedophile."

You are right again. But it surely does not prove that he is one either. All I am saying the energy that I have seen being exerted on this forum and in other venues hating MJ is ridiculous. Hey if you do not like him..fine. But to hate someone for something that you think they did and carry it with you and wish them to hell, etc. It's just a bit much for me and I am Scorp. Lol. I guess I am a more peaceful Scorp. I do not believe in hating people. Instead, I pray for them. Well, unless it is someone like Hitler. That is a different story. Lol.
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I'm a big fan of his music, and I'm not gonna trash my collection if it is ever proven that he was a pedophile...

Meanwhile, the biggest thing that disturbed me was in his interview with Bashir after the case, he still insisted on letting children sleep with him. That kind of compulsion IS common among sex addicts / abusers - the "I can't stop myself" attitude...

Still doesn't prove him guilty, but it doesn't look good, either...
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Posted by BellaBulleautiful
You know the way I see it? I did not go on the "oh lordy ,lordy M J is dead" thread and share my opinions,out of respect for whomever started that thread.this is a thread that was started for those of us who can't understand the hype.you mourners have your thread,we have ours.....and we are not on yours criticizing your views,so maybe you should go back to the other thread?



Hmm. I am sorry. I did not know that I was restricted to only certian threads where everyone shared the same perspective. I am not here to argue or go back and forth. Just being objective.
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"seems more like arguing than being objective.that's why I have not replied in the other thread,because my feelings are best represented here.You are not restricted to anything,but I don't think this thread was started for arguments sake."

Not arguing at all. In fact, when Dy brought up valid points I agreed with him. I am just introducing another point of view. That's all.
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Posted by astrologicallycurious

He did more for people than any of us ever could.






Pardon.


And people are saying things like .. you don't know that he's guilty, so how dare you accuse him of something you don't know.


lady, man, person, whoever you are ..... you have no clue whatsoever what any of us could ever do for people, and then make a comparison with somebody else ... then use it as amunition to drive the same point.