Help!....Virgo Misunderstood

Virgos are misunderstood...Virgos have the best hearts, we are accepting of everyone and we are loyal to our friends and to those we love. We never ask for help and yet we are willing to help everyone! It seems our nature is completely out of sync with the rest of the world. Virgos are too sensitive to stomach the harsh realities of this world. We just want everyone to be happy and want to love and be loved. When we treat people with kindness, we are misinterpreted as "stupid." When we stand our ground and demand respect, we are "harassing." We feel everything deeply. That is why we can be extremely emotional. Nothing is frivolous to us. We don't find pleasure in the suffering of others. We are courageous, loving people!

So I ask, what can I, as a virgo, do to protect my loving heart?

As a Virgo..??


As a Virgo you wouldn't even ask (because you already know)..!

Now who are you..?

I'm new to posting on DXP, but I've been reading the boards for months and find the posts interesting and helpful! Who are you?

Are you in charge here?

Thanks for the WELCOME Qbone!

As a Virgo you wouldn't even ask (because you already know)..!

Now who are you..?

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This is funny! Ya - virgoheart who are you?

Welcome to our little piece of the world, virgoheart 🙂🙂


It appears to me that every person thinks they are misunderstood. I wonder why this is? Perhaps, most people are too nice to be blunt, and so offer words vaguely ...... hence: they become misunderstood. I don't know .. just a thought.

You can rest assured .. I don't misunderstand Virgo's.

I am curious as to why, after all this time that you said you've been reading the boards .... you make your first post be one of feeling as though you have to defend yourself, your nature.

Why? What's the matter? Why feel at opposition?

So long as you know that your heart is loving ... that is all that matters 🙂

So I ask, what can I, as a virgo, do to protect my loving heart?

In the Computer World, we know that there are no perfectly secure operating systems, so we take many and varied approaches to safeguarding the systems & data, and we try to stay ahead of the hackers. With that model in mind...

1. Don't be ON / OPEN / AVAILABLE too often. More exposure = more chances for intrusion and potential damage to your heart.

2. Validate others / Trust But Verify! Make sure they're who they claim to be. Lots of fakers out there!

3. Acceptable risk. Getting involved with anyone carries a certain level of risk to your tender innards. Know this, accept this, or build a fortress around your heart.

Don't know about you, but I was much more guarded in my youth. One benefit of age seems to be an ability to read others faster and more accurately - to separate the wheat from the chaff before the latter has a chance to make me choke...

With that model in mind...
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HAHAHAHAHA HUMAN BEINGS ARE *******NOT******** computers. And oh BTW- no matter how hard one tries to secure the asset; smart folks in security do know how to think like a hacker and break it!.

That is YOU CAN ONLY SAVE AN ASSET only if you know how some one can hack it!!! You have to first think like a hacker do. Most Virgos seem to lack in hacking the hearts so how can they save?? They are CLUELESS!

As for the following items:

1. Don't be ON / OPEN / AVAILABLE too often. More exposure = more chances for intrusion and potential damage to your heart.

NOT NECESSARILY. SMART FOLKS CAN "PENETRATE" ANY "SYSTEM".

2. Validate others / Trust But Verify! Make sure they're who they claim to be. Lots of fakers out there!

NONE OF THE VALIDATION ALGORITHMS ARE 100% CORRECT IN REAL LIFE OR IN IT. TRUST IS A VARIABLE THAT CAN CHANGE AT ANY MOMENT. THERE IS NO ALGORITHM IN SECURITY THAT CAN CHECK FOR THE VALIDITY OF THE DIGITAL CERTIFICATE ON THE FLY. (ONE RFC IS ON THE WAY).

3. Acceptable risk. Getting involved with anyone carries a certain level of risk to your tender innards. Know this, accept this, or build a fortress around your heart.

RISK MUST NOT BE ACCEPTABLE UNLESS THERE IS AN INBUILT PROTECTION MECHANISUM INSTALLED, UP AND RUNNING ELSE IT WILL DESTROY EVERY THING.

OOOPS... INSUFFICIENT KNOWLEDGE IS A KILLER, ISN'T IT?

I would repharase the thread title:

Misunderstood Virgos (ie. Virgos misunderstand EVRYTHING).

I think that is the most appropriate title.

I would repharase the thread title:

Misunderstood Virgos (ie. Virgos misunderstand EVRYTHING).

I think that is the most appropriate title.

Caprigirl, you always crack me up with your posts about us. I love it. I hope all is well with Pops now? Last I remember, you were mad at him for his Virgo ways or something.

Hm. I disagree.

One way to distance oneself from pain, etc is definitely by making onself unavailable and putting up guards ... but it's probably less rewarding.

I always like to feel everything because I think as Virgos we are already pretty aloof, and, by letting your guard down, its easier to form great friendships & relationships. Just be smart about it and trust your instincts.

Then again I'm also a Taurus moon in 4th so I do like to FEEL everything.

Anyway, Virgoheart, you don't need to protect yourself. Whatever happens, Virgos are usually strong enough to bear it and come out on top.

I hope all is well with Pops now?

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virgohero: Thanks for asking. Till now things were fine. We just spoke and he again reminded me of my errors so here we go again..

As you can see one or the other of you (virgos) keep me pretty busy in keeping you all in order. You all should think of giving me an award.

people precive me as either "stupid" or "weak"
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I do not think so. You guys are over smart to the point of screwing up others. I am the most blessed one as I God has given me virgos to deal with, in my nearest and dearest(!??) circle.

virgokitten,

Thank you! for compliments. The one and only mission of my life is to make virgos aware of emotions and I know it may be a difficult goal but not impossible! Some one said, Vs are "MUTABLE" so trying to twist them all to mold in a product I would like.

I don't know what my method is. I usually trust from a distance and open up that level at different speeds based on my experience with dealing with similar personalities. Usually, I go with my gut instincts as I trust them and they have yet to fail me.

In friendships we have to have something in common and a need to be friends for me to open up to anyone on that level. I can be an acquaintance with anybody as long as they are essential. But, to build on that it truly has to be good foundation.

In relationships I just know what I like and what floats my boat. It's either there or it isn't I can spot the NOT!!!!'s a mile away and the WOOHOO!!!!'s I usually tense up and go into Virgo mode of analytical, becoming distant while I figure this out, and just worrying about a bilion things. A smooth relationship for me starts when I feel secure like both of us are on the same page. Otherwise I am flying around like a bat in the daylight.

Wow you guys really went to town on this post. Seems like VirgoKitten understands what I'm feeling. I have a BIG KIND HEART and it is my nature to be open and giving and trusting, regardless of how many times I get "used" or "underestimated." It is acting against my nature not to be this way, but I'm tired of the pain that comes along with it and I want to re-train my thinking and move forward. My natural instinct is "what can I do to help?" People may see this as "an opportunity to take." I hate to think of the fact that I have to live in a world where people are so shallow, cruel and inconsiderate of each other. It's as if everytime I meet new people, I start off believing they are "good" and I can see no potential "danger." So, I treat them with kindness, the way I would like to be treated, and they see me as "stupid" or "weak" as VirgoKitten said. But, when I get hurt and stand my ground, I'm called all kinds of names. If they only knew my heart....So, this is my dilemma. WILL SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY PEOPLE SEE ME THIS WAY?

Well if you're a Virgo who has a tendency to over-react and fly off the handle (a form of criticizing) when you feel hurt and fed up then that's where the retaliation from those you were nice to and "turned" on comes from.

For me, I don't have that problem because I don't let anyone in. My world is like a red carpet leading to Fort Knoxx if anyone finds themselves on the pathway they better know they belong there and have a pass to get inside. Otherwise they get dismissed but silently. I would not be aggressive in getting that message across unless it was someone I felt was a moron and deserved a reality dosage.

So, your lesson today is to weigh a person's worth. Decide why they are essential to you before you pull them in. Everyone on earth is not meant to be your friend or served by Virgo. Otherwise you will be worn out and disappointed more often than not. Turn up your analytical skills. 🙂

""Virgos are misunderstood...Virgos have the best hearts, we are accepting of everyone and we are loyal to our friends and to those we love. We never ask for help and yet we are willing to help everyone! It seems our nature is completely out of sync with the rest of the world. Virgos are too sensitive to stomach the harsh realities of this world. We just want everyone to be happy and want to love and be loved. When we treat people with kindness, we are misinterpreted as "stupid." When we stand our ground and demand respect, we are "harassing." We feel everything deeply. That is why we can be extremely emotional. Nothing is frivolous to us. We don't find pleasure in the suffering of others. We are courageous, loving people!"""



oh I go thru this everyday.......and this is how I feel all the time......I'm glad you made this post.......cause we are loving people!! glad to see someone else feels the same way I do!

Well, I have to say thank you to you all because you certainly have helped me! I'm definitely not the only one who feels this way, obviously, and I understand what I need to do to "protect" myself....VirgoKitten I'm definitely alot like you and I do like to meet new people and keep things "fresh and anew" and I guess sometimes I dive in before checking the water! I guess it's a matter of making a conscious effort to remind myself to keep a distance and not let everyone in so quickly. Although I take blame for that since I am so eager to let everyone in! Thanks so much for all your words of wisdom!

Most people don't misunderstand or shun love and kindness ... in fact, when I first read this, I was sort of astounded that a person who is so loving and gentle would have such a harsh outlook when it comes to what is being mirrored/reflected back to you.

So, in this situation, my instincts tell me this .....

How we see ourselves, isn't necessarily how other people view us. To know the truth, we have to look into the mirror through the eyes of the person who is reflecting back on us. So, instead of getting upset about the effect you have on other people, perhaps, your beneficial course of action would be to analyze exactly what you are projecting in reality of other people's perspective, rather than how you believe you are.

I truly see this as an insecurity issue .... if a person has to come off as though they are a victim of sorts, or bad treat that has come unjustly ... when nobody has said or done anything, rather, this is how the conversation is started .. then to me, this indicates that the ego needs to be boosted.

Most people don't start off by saying they are shunned by everybody, especially a person who knows that in their heart, they believe they are good people .. that isn't normal.

People who are good and project this ..... gets good treatment.

It's called karma .. if you get shunned or bad treatment than this is what is being reflected back to you.

P-Angel, what you are saying is somewhat hard to follow. I don't understand the world of "smoke and mirrors." I treat people with kindess and respect, the way I like to be treated. But some people see this is being "stupid" or "weak." Bye the way, some people who I feel have "wronged" me, or "misunderstood" me, have come to me at some later point and apologized, however, I am just so disappointed by that point, that I back away. I'm just tired of going through the process leading to the point of apology. I think I'm extremely secure. In fact, I think I unintentionally cause animosity towards me because I am secure in my work and I know that I know what I'm doing, and this is not arrogance, this is because of my analytical abilities. I work for myself so I have to be secure to some degree. I really think VirgoKitten understands what I'm saying. Thanks though for your post.

"P-Angel, what you are saying is somewhat hard to follow. I don't understand the world of "smoke and mirrors." I treat people with kindess and respect, the way I like to be treated. But some people see this is being "stupid" or "weak.""


Perhaps, if you tried to understand other perspectives, you might be able to grasp outside of the box .....

If you think that people see you as stupid or weak .. then that's what you are.

You come in here expressing that you are some kind of victim, that people just think you're weak and stupid and you want to know what to do to protect yourself .. but, that's not really what you want. What you want is someone to understand that you are weak and stupid, for it has been validated, and you have accepted that people see you this way because you are a Virgo.

So be it .. have it your way, then. If you're kind hearted, then this means that you are viewed upon as weak and stupid.

My only hope is that one day you actually "hear" what I'm saying, rather than have an excuse for the truth and call it, "smoke and mirrors" ....... for if you truly believe that people see you as stupid, then this is the energy you are projecting and people will indeed see you as stupid and weak.

You set yourself up .... people who can see outside of the box will interpret this as weakness, and view you stupid for it.

Some day .. you may come to understand what this means.

I'll try to explain it, though, it's not a computer talking, rather, a person .... so, you'll have to open your mind for interpretations, and realize that just because a person speaks from an avenue in which is hard to follow, doesn't make it fradulent .. "smoke and mirrors"

1. You are responsible for your own feelings and it's not up to another person to either "get you", or "not get you" .. for you to say that other people have the ability to slant your heart because of how THEY feel about you .. is putting your personal power of self-esteem and worth in the hands of another person to make the determination of who you are and what you are worth.

If left to other people, as you've so expressed ... then you will have to accept whatever fate other people decide to bestow upon you. However, if you choose to know who you are (such as Q suggested from the very beginning), and keep your self-worth in high regard because you retain the "right" for yourself and your own personal power to actually BE the kind person you want to be .. then you will be so.

2. Laws of Attraction only comprehend the energy you project. You want to believe that you are loving, kind, respectful, etc .. however, in your heart, your energy is saying, "People think I'm weak, I'm stupid", and so, the people you bring into your life will indeed, think you are stupid and weak ... for what the attraction hears is "I'm weak", "I'm stupid". This is what you are, then, and these are the people who will you find.


Just like that ... that is your answer, should you choose to "hear" me. If not, then you can continue to be miserable because people don't understand your heart ..

.. when in reality, people actually do hear your heart, for these people are the ones you call to you .. it's you who doesn't understand your heart.

"some people who I feel have "wronged" me, or "misunderstood" me, have come to me at some later point and apologized, however, I am just so disappointed by that point, that I back away."

I know the reason for your disappointment, though, you probably won't believe me ..... it's in yourself, because you had an expectation of how other people are suppose to view you.

"I'm just tired of going through the process leading to the point of apology."

And apparantly .. this energy is projected from the beginning, for it creates a situation in which someone is suppose to apologize to you.

Expectations is a killer .... because nobody can be you, except you.

Be who you are for YOU ..

Hey, virgolibra .. how are you tonight?

I'm just rambling ..... my mind goes in psycho-analyze mode from time to time. So, that makes sense to you?

Sometimes, it makes sense in my head ... but, comes out jumbled 🙂

"I did for people but I think it was because I wanted to be liked - accepted. People get used to that, when you always do for them."


I know what you mean ... which confirms what I was saying about personal feelings and power.

Situation: If two days in a row, you put yourself out trying to be accepted, and everything was fine within you because you knew you were being a good person ... then on the third day, you got tired of being used and put your foot down ... then it's not the other person who changed and is viewing you differently then they were on day 1 and 2 .. it's your feelings that have changed because now you have decided that the SAME reaction they had about you is now not acceptable.

That's NOT the other person doing anything differently than before, that is now your feelings about the situation that have changed.

So to expect them to now apologize to you is pretty intolerable, since it's not them who did anything wrong.

You (third person) set the pace for relationships ...

hypo: If you were married and you sat quietly by while your husband went out every Friday and Saturday night with the boys to get drunk, he is going to believe by your silence, your acceptance that this is perfectly alright with you, and so he will do it every weekend. Then 4 months later, you get tired of him going out every weekend with the boys and put your foot down and expect HIM to apologize is unacceptable on your part, for it's not him that did anything wrong, for you allowed it for 4 months.

Because OUR feelings change ... this isn't the responsibility of another person to cater to these feelings, make changes in their life, apologize, walk on egg-shells. In case above, if it was made known from the very beginning that drinking with the mates every weekend wasn't acceptable (owning personal power), then this issue wouldn't arise in the first place.

We set ourselves up when we do this ... we set up the tone for people to treat us as a doormat, and to these other people, it is presented as acceptable .. so, we have NO right to later come back and say that this other person is "bad" for treating us within the terms that we set for ourselves and then hold them accountable to mend.

virgolibra ... I'm glad you are able to put all my pieces together. Being a Pisces, my mind has all the pieces .. however, they aren't organized like you (Virgo) ::sighs::

I've lived with a Virgo for 25 years, I know exactly what you're saying and what virgoheart is saying .. but, I still continue to pursuade my Virgo to have his own personal power, rather than martyr himself. Drives me nuts and that's what I see here as happening.

Great suffering (by choice) .. to later come back and say, "Woe is me".

I lose my mind when people do this .. as you can tell.

I remember when I first got together with my husband, every week, he gave nearly his whole paycheck to his sister so she could buy diapers, milk, food for their kids. Well, I'm a partier, which he isn't, and one day I was looking for some weed. Someone sent me to a place to find some ... low-and-behold, it was his sister.

Now, if she's on welfare, living in the ghetto .. where the HELL did she get the money to buy grass (< showing my age)? Even if the money came from a source other than my Virgo .. she STILL had money to buy pot, and was taking advantage of my man. Now, my husband (bf at the time) is stuck and he can't stop giving her his money because what if she really does need diapers? He couldn't see and just continued to give it to her, eventhough he knew she was spending it on pot .. what did he do?

Cry about it .... poor me !!!!! Yet, he STILL gave her his money.

This kind of mind-set sends me over the top .. I don't deal with it very well.

Wow, I would have freaked too if either of my parents tried to give away the Ring that belonged within a union .. a symbol of the love.

Sorry about your mom 😢

Something I find really ironic about Virgo's and I'm not quite sure that I can put my finger on this ...

We all know that you guys "think" something to death, and that's a good thing, really, because there's nothing wrong with being cautious, with analyzing to make sure it's the right course. Too many of us, like a Pisces, for example ... will plunge foward with little practical thought ...

Yet, when it comes to wanting to feel accepted .. there's little thought put into it.

I don't get that .. I would think that a Virgo, such as with the ring, or with virgoheart and her always giving of herself to later feel like people are looking at her as being weak ...... that you guys would "think" this through to the point of fretting.

Why some things, and not others? I'll have to ask my husband this question, and see what he says.

yes i follow that same thing i analaze alot i found the prefect guy, and i analazed everything, and now he is gone,but life brings you all kinds of things challoenges i mean.

OK, I see what you mean P-Angel, and I am trying to do exactly that. Change the way I handle people and the impression I give. My point is that people misinterpret my "kindness" because it may be foreign to them as most people are out to TAKE not GIVE. As a Virgo, a sign of service, we are in our comfort zone when we are doing for others, pleasing people, however, we also don't want to be taken advantage of or for granted. I have been making a conscious effort to be cautious of WHO I GIVE to and/or how much I GIVE of myself. As for the Pisces thing....the irony is that Pisces are supposed to be the caring, sensitive, giving people of the zodiac, but the Pisces people I know are all stubborn, selfish, greedy, insensitive, and sometimes downright evil!! Laughing at the expense of someone elses suffering and getting some sort of personal gratification out of it. Contrary to that, Virgos are supposed to be "mean" as described by some people, but we Virgos have the best hearts and hate to see people suffer, even if they have done us wrong. Just like you said your husband (virgo) was giving towards his sister, and you (Pisces) were bothered by it. Virgos have tender hearts and we want to love and be loved, we want peace, we want people to be happy, but every time we turn the corner, we find another SHARK trying to devour us. And, in our minds, people would get more from working together rather than trying to take all for themselves. To us, their thinking is irrational! It's self-destructive. I am at the point of not letting what others think of me bother me. Their opinions are worthless because I am choosing to place more of an emphasis on those that understand me and not those that form an opinion based on their illogical thinking. I've also attracted more positive rational thinking people by doing this and I cast the others aside. Quite frankly, it's liberating....like getting rid of dead weight!

"Pisces people I know are all stubborn, selfish, greedy, insensitive, and sometimes downright evil!!"

I suppose it's a matter of perspective ... while judged within a situation. For example: when you said ..

"Just like you said your husband (virgo) was giving towards his sister, and you (Pisces) were bothered by it."

What you mean by this is that because my Virgo was giving towards his sister .... that I was bothered by it, which suggests this greed or insensitivity that you say you see in Pisces .. while completely disregarding the fact that he was being taken advantage of ... which, by the way, is the exact thing in which you are now bitching about that is so horrible.

fyi: I wasn't bothered that he helped his sister .. I was bother that once he KNEW he was being taken advantage of that he just continued to allow it to happen .... and just whined about he's being taken advantage of.

From your perspective, because you believe that Virgo's have the best hearts and so everybody is just suppose to accept that they give of themselves unconditionally .. that people like me aren't suppose to see this as unacceptable .. you would see me as being insensitive to the sister. Whereas I see it as the Virgo setting themself up to be taken as a fool.

It's a matter of perspective ....

"Virgos have tender hearts and we want to love and be loved, we want peace, we want people to be happy, but every time we turn the corner, we find another SHARK trying to devour us."

Yes, indeed .. we will laugh when we see people do this and we laugh because to us .. you look completely unaware that this grief you suffer is self-inflicted. We laugh at ignorance.

"Laughing at the expense of someone elses suffering and getting some sort of personal gratification out of it."

To know someone is allowing themselves to be taken advantage of is NOT suffering in which deserves compassion .. suffer that deserves compassion is true suffering .. a martyr suffers by choice. There's a difference.

It's likely that you'll never comprehend what I'm trying to say.

huh..??

You are talking about ?compromising?..!


NOT going to happen in the Virgos life time...! trust me on this..!

Compromising and Virgos..??.. Never gong to happen..!

What's wrong with masturbating?

Whats wrong with it..?

Masturbating is to release the tensions of the ?feelings? for the particular (objects of interest).

Again.. what is wrong with it..??

You are so damn stupid..!

For the record .. I don't think VirgoKitten is stupid ... I think she's kind of sweet, actually.

For the ?fucking record? you were talking about masturbating

Finish what you're starting..

And people wonder why Virgo's catch so much grief ...


::sighs and walks away::

She never talked about the ?masturbations concepts you were talking about? you FISH fuck.!

So.. what's in there.??

And people wonder why Virgo's catch so much grief ...


Heh..


Nobody's wonder ..


DREAM ON..

love....... how the conversation went from Virgos feelings to Masturbation lol

hey I say everyone should masturbate.......alot more people would be happy :-)

P-Angel, I do understand what you are saying....I can comprehend the thought behind it, but I wouldn't consider it a good thing to laugh at those that are caring enough to give of themselves and get hurt. If anything, you should feel anger towards those that are doing the hurting. The ignorance you describe is not on the virgo's part, it's on the part of the person who underestimates or misjudges the virgo. Virgo's aren't ignorant when they extend a helping hand, they are hopeful, and sometimes, things don't always turn out for the best. Maybe this is something you will never comprehend. This is what I mean about Pisces. Actually, I had a Pisces boss once, and I will never forget what he said to me when I first started working for him, "You'll leave, they all leave." I pondered this for so long. Well, I finally understood WHY they leave. It is because of his condescending, caustic tongue. He never gave any positive reinforcement to his employees, his method of management was "divide and rule", he pitted employees against each other, he was demeaning, he was selfish, and talk about not being able to see his own actions.....the guy would "hurt" employees and be completely oblivious to the fact that he did anything wrong. He was always the "victim." No loyalty to anyone. I felt sorry for him and tried to help him (like a typical virgo). Big mistake....he threw me under the bus as they say! He treated me like **** while I was working for him, and got angry when I quit due to the fact that I could not stomach the ignorance and demeaning behavior he exerted......on the surface, he appeared to be a really sweet, caring, sensitive individual, but by the end of the time spent working for him, I saw a ruthless, insensitive, evil person in him! No wonder "they all leave."

By the way, P-Angel, I am not trying to bash Pisces, but to simply point out that the matter of "perception" you mentioned is a two-way street: you see virgos behavior as "ignorant" and therefore "laugh" at it, and virgo sees it as "hopeful" and feels pisces reaction is "insensitive." It would be nice if we all had a true understanding of each others comprehensions. I do welcome your posts and find them interesting since I know virgo and pisces are opposite signs and have almost opposite perceptions of matters. Pisces can teach virgo, and virgo can teach pisces. We just have to be open to learning from each other!

virgoheart ... no problem .. you can say whatever you feel about Pisces. I don't view other peoples opinion of Pisces harshly, for I am a firm believer of owning myself .. it's within our own personal power to subject ourselves, or not, at our own discretion. In other words, you can't offend me with what you say .. only I can do that if I allow myself to pain from another persons words.

Actually, I understand where you're coming from in the aspect that I know what you're talking about .. but, don't understand in the aspect how a person can really feel this way, meaning ... to believe it's the responsibility of another person to protect your feelings for you.

Blind ignorance to the self is something I might never be able to comprehend within a person. It's for this reason that I cannot believe in a "God". The polar opposite thing? I don't think so .. it's awareness.

You know, I've lived with a man for over two decades who believed the same as you at one time, so it's not impossible to get on with opposing philosophies. As we age, our views change about our life and I can safely say that he doesn't do it as much as he used to .. for he has come to realize what I've finally been trying to tell him all these years .. WE ARE HUMAN and the error within this condition has to be recognized if we are to find nirvana .. we are inherently ignorant.

Our lives are a struggle because there is a problem with the existence within life itself, and therefore we do not find ultimate happiness in anything we experience.

This problem? It is our natural tendancy to blame our difficulties on things outside ourselves. This is within the mind itself, and this puts us fundamentally at odds with the way life really is.

The solution? This comes with understanding that we are the ultimate cause of our difficulties, and we are also the solution. We cannot change the things that happen to us, but we can change our responses, we can change ourselves.

Responsibility lies within ourself.

"The ignorance you describe is not on the virgo's part, it's on the part of the person who underestimates or misjudges the virgo."

It's not up to another person to "accept", "get", "understand" you, or anybody else ... it's up to YOU to "get" you, to estimate you correctly.

To believe that it's up to another person to understand where you are coming from, if you don't understand yourself, yourself .. then this is indeed ignorance.

"you see virgos behavior as "ignorant" and therefore "laugh" at it, and virgo sees it as "hopeful" and feels pisces reaction is "insensitive." It would be nice if we all had a true understanding of each others comprehensions."


"virgo sees it as "hopeful" and feels pisces reaction is "insensitive."

Hopeful, meaning .... hoping that another will take responsibility in giving back to you some kind of honor, or respect. To give freely of yourself, with hopes of someone truly seeing and comprehending that your heart is in the best place .. is putting the responsibility onto another person in which for you to find pride/honor/dignity.

In other words .. it's living FOR them and not yourself. For, their reactions to you, will make the determination whether you feel happy or sad.

You're right .. I will never be able to live my life that way, and quite frankly, I find it extremely difficult to accept that others live their lives this way. To me, it's not being insensitive, for I am respsonible for myself .. the reason why it looks insensitive to you is because you are expecting other people (Pisces) to create your self-worth for you by honoring you for you.