How do you approach your boss with a problem?

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I apparently let my emotions get in the way of trying to approach my boss with things that are bothering me. I get defensive and mad and frustrated pretty quickly and fumble over my words..so I look like a complete idiot lol.

I cant help it...no matter how many times I tell myself "I will approach this logically and calmly" yeah never happens.
But I think it has a lot to do with the fact that I sit on it for so long that ...when I finally am frustrated enough..it all comes out full forced. I dont know how to not do this...I know I should approach any situation asap but I hate rocking the boat...cause who wants to work in a hostile environment.

Basically I started on my rampage since the fight on Monday...(which my boss was in the wrong and he apologized) then next was with another boss...I'm stressed out to the max (not their deal) but tried to approach her about it..yet again and we got into this heated discussion..which ended with her saying I'm done with this convo (cancers lol) well I brought up another boss and their lack of not coming to work anymore...cause guess who gets to do her job when she doesnt feel like showing up...yeah me (which has been going on for months now). Me and my boss who doesnt want to show up for work are friends...so I've been stuck. Rock-me-hard place and kept my mouth shut...well not anymore. fuck if she is mad at me, fuck if they are all mad at me...it needed to be said. I'm not the only one that feels this way. Yeah I may get fired...I'm ok with that. I'm in the process of putting in applications anyway...I hate being taking advantage of...I've always been a team player but when I hear people say "oh LIMM will do it" yeah that pisses me of to no end!

So how do other virgos deal with these kinds of situations? How do you approach your boss? I'm probably the only virgo to lose my cool lol oh well
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Yeah they are taking advantage...my cancer boss was like "we hate to lose you" well fuck yeah you would...then who would do all your shit smh. But yes this is starting to actually affect my health..not just mental but physically too. I told them I'm gonna end up having a heart attack or stroke...of course they dont care...when I can only use half of my body (due to a stroke)they will just find someone else to replace me. Sad how much things have went down hill on company fronts.

Yeah I guess I should write everything down...I'm better at articulating what I want to say that way. it would be funny to go into a meeting with them and have to look at my notes lol
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Posted by CluelessCancer
A checklist never hurt, it helps you to remember what you want to discuss ....I am kind of shocked at the Cancers response. She doesn't sound empathetic at all.

Maybe ask her out to coffee or lunch and talk to her about how this is affecting your emotional/mental health and how you have taken on three peoples roles and you need more support.

If that doesn't work, go to HR and talk to them and see if they can advocate for you...




Yeah I'm not taking them anywhere...this is not the first or second time I've approached her on the subject...they could careless. Funny thing is we dont have an HR dept :/ Basically this place and people are to personal with their relationships. There is no line between friendships and work.

Yeah well the cancer doesnt like confrontations...it was pretty obvious and not only with me but anybody...she gets butt hurt a lot but youre a boss...that's the way it is....learn how to handle things.

This happened to another virgo here...and she got so frustrated she up and quit...she worked here like 6 yrs...ive been here 5 yrs.

I'm not the only one who has noticed that the boss who is never here...is never here. but one of her bosses has started to noticed and actually made a comment about it...so shes digging her grave...slowly but surely.
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Hey hey, sounds like your work environment is pretty toxic?
I really feel for you... Virgo's tend to treat their work environments along the lines of a more regimented home life, the transfer from home to the place we spend the most time sort of thing.
And I mean in a good way, I see my work colleagues as extended family and I cluck around like a highly strung hen that drives my chilled out Libra boss and Cancer coworkers craycray lol

When I have super pressing issues or a situation comes along that I sit on for a while and it's emotionally volatile for me, I put it in writing. Every time. I email it to the higher up I trust and cc in whom ever else is involved.
This forces me to word it in such a way that both equal and management can understand and I can spend however long I need editing and venting before I send off the final draft....
Usually writing the email at first impulse saying everything I want to is therapeutic and then once I reread I get it sorted.

Be mindful once in writing it can be evidence so that too helps me word it carefully and rationally.
But really, it works Every Time.

I recommend it, hope things wok out for you.


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Posted by LostinmyMind11

.... I sit on it for so long ....








I completely disagree with opinions that state, or infer, that your work environment is toxic, or that your bosses are unreasonable .... because it is all your fault.

A person, in any type of relation, determines how they are to be treated. You attempt to convey in here that by virtue of your inertia, that you are working harder than others, and that you should be congratulated for not being assertive with how you feel.

This is an age-old Virgo problem ... one in which they create themselves, to later whimper about because they think they are victims. This is a cirumstance in which YOU created, so the only one victimizing you .. is you.

If you never say what you feel, while faithfully obeying what you are told to do, while not agreeing with what you are being told .... then you aren't being taken advantage of, because you've never expressed to the other person your terms of being related to.

Virgos fall into this whole with nearly every aspect of all of their relationships. They never really SAY how they feel, yet, they are full of mouth in protest if another doesn't do as they would wish, eventhough the Virgo never expressed their wish.

We see this daily in here and in the RW with Virgos. They bitch, moan and critique about how life is unfair to them, and how they are being taken advantage of ...... yet, they never actually convey how they feel, or what they want ... so by virtue of their self-ignorance, they are the creators of their own grief.

Your work is a prime example of this ... look at your quote above, you just sit on it and do nothing, say nothing .. and by your ignorance, you are teaching every person in your work place to treat you with ignoring your needs. You've taught them to pile the work onto you, by you sitting there taking it and not making a stance for yourself.

I don't feel sorry for you ... you did this to yourself. If you really want to improve yourself, then have some convictions for how you should be treated BEFORE the moment of commencement.

btw: bosses are allowed to do as they please without your permission. By you making these statements about your superiors in such a way as to insinuate that the boss should be abidding by your standards is the biggest crock of shit I've ever heard, considering according to what you've written here, you'd rathe
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I apparently let my emotions get in the way of trying to approach my boss with things that are bothering me. I get defensive and mad and frustrated pretty quickly and fumble over my words..so I look like a complete idiot lol.

I cant help it...no matter how many times I tell myself "I will approach this logically and calmly" yeah never happens.
But I think it has a lot to do with the fact that I sit on it for so long that ...when I finally am frustrated enough..it all comes out full forced. I dont know how to not do this...I know I should approach any situation asap but I hate rocking the boat...cause who wants to work in a hostile environment.

Basically I started on my rampage since the fight on Monday...(which my boss was in the wrong and he apologized) then next was with another boss...I'm stressed out to the max (not their deal) but tried to approach her about it..yet again and we got into this heated discussion..which ended with her saying I'm done with this convo (cancers lol) well I brought up another boss and their lack of not coming to work anymore...cause guess who gets to do her job when she doesnt feel like showing up...yeah me (which has been going on for months now). Me and my boss who doesnt want to show up for work are friends...so I've been stuck. Rock-me-hard place and kept my mouth shut...well not anymore. fuck if she is mad at me, fuck if they are all mad at me...it needed to be said. I'm not the only one that feels this way. Yeah I may get fired...I'm ok with that. I'm in the process of putting in applications anyway...I hate being taking advantage of...I've always been a team player but when I hear people say "oh LIMM will do it" yeah that pisses me of to no end!

So how do other virgos deal with these kinds of situations? How do you approach your boss? I'm probably the only virgo to lose my cool lol oh well

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Just because I sit on it doesnt mean I've never tried to explain to them what is going on...this is like the 4th time telling them!

also the so called boss thats never here....is like the rest of the employees...shes actually not a boss but I really dont know what else to call her...she been here longer than me.

Like I said shes really not a boss, so therefor when someone is dumping their job onto someone else all the time...there is nothing wrong with saying something(even if it takes a little longer)...no matter who they are. yeah youre an employee, you should do as youre told but youre not a door mat either. Same rules apply or at least should to everyone (everyone has a boss above them until you get to the ceo or owner who yes really can do wtf they want)...you dont show up for work...you getting written up, keep it up, then you get fired. Like I said too, her boss actually is starting to notice it as well...so Im not the only one...so therefore not playing victim.
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Posted by wagtail
Hey hey, sounds like your work environment is pretty toxic?
I really feel for you... Virgo's tend to treat their work environments along the lines of a more regimented home life, the transfer from home to the place we spend the most time sort of thing.
And I mean in a good way, I see my work colleagues as extended family and I cluck around like a highly strung hen that drives my chilled out Libra boss and Cancer coworkers craycray lol

When I have super pressing issues or a situation comes along that I sit on for a while and it's emotionally volatile for me, I put it in writing. Every time. I email it to the higher up I trust and cc in whom ever else is involved.
This forces me to word it in such a way that both equal and management can understand and I can spend however long I need editing and venting before I send off the final draft....
Usually writing the email at first impulse saying everything I want to is therapeutic and then once I reread I get it sorted.

Be mindful once in writing it can be evidence so that too helps me word it carefully and rationally.
But really, it works Every Time.

I recommend it, hope things wok out for you.




Yeah I dont need any evidence floating around lol but yes writing it all out is probably a better solution as you and CC pointed out. and thank you 🙂
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Posted by CluelessCancer
LMM why don't you start a spreadsheet where you document all the work you're doing outside of your position & present it to the bosses. Use the data to show them that you're being overworked.

Where is MoodyVulcan when you need her. She's a BOSS. I bet she has all the right answers.





Oh they already know what I do...like I said the lines are blurred...so no matter what I do, I feel like the one that will get the short end of the stick in this situation :/ They did try to give me her job of complaints when she is out and then there like "oh well yeah I think that would be too much" really?! you think. So I get to do her other duties besides that. They know that Im reliable and Im here everyday..no matter what and they take advantage of that...as I've said..i heard they same "oh LIMM will do it" "oh if you cant figure it out, just give it to LIMM" Yeah some would think of that as a good thing...and I used to until I started noticing ...its not so much a compliment anymore as trying to exploit (might be a bad word to use but I couldnt think of another one)my work ethic. We have other employees here that can take on a lot more things too...I'm not the only one here.
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Another example is of the "boss" who is never here. She has reports to run in the mornings before 8:30am, she will purposely be late (around 10am) so she doesnt have to do them...guess who gets too..yep me. or she is late because...you guessed it..partying all night (pics on fb to prove that one)(which her bosses see and do nothing about) again rock-me-hard place.

This is not a every once in a while deal anymore...this is a weekly or every other day thing. She also plays on fb ALL DAY LONG too and then says she needs a vacay...ummm from what exactly (yes Ive asked her this) and she like I do (laughing)...I just cant stand it. smh...seriously its unreal...Ive never worked for a place like this, and the only reason ive stayed this long is somewhat of job security...which is non existent anymore. bleh this sucks all the away around. hopefully I get some hits on the other jobs Ive applied for.
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Posted by CluelessCancer
Do you have Vacation days? Why not take some. Let them miss you a little and really see how much work piles up when your not there. Than they'll get others to do some work...



Yeah I just was on vacay...and boy did she bitch the whole time...she let me know too on fb. "You need to come back...i cant handle all this shit" those kinds of comments...smh Whether she was joking or not..yeah maybe thats how she was trying to come across to make it seem like it but I know thats how she really felt.

just this week..she was late on mon, called in weds, and took off friday...must be nice
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Posted by CluelessCancer
Ya I totally understand I have also been going through a similar situation, not cause i'm a hard worker, but because I can figure things out real easily and I'm a team player. Always volunteering.

You got to have a backbone. Start pulling back. Now I stick to my role. I don't volunteer as much. When people attempt to volunteer me, I just say I'm really really busy, can I help out next time.




Yeah Im hoping that point came across during our discussion...but I doubt it. but yes I am backing off...this is my last effort until I find another job.
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Do you have Vacation days? Why not take some. Let them miss you a little and really see how much work piles up when your not there. Than they'll get others to do some work...



Yeah I just was on vacay...and boy did she bitch the whole time...she let me know too on fb. "You need to come back...i cant handle all this shit" those kinds of comments...smh Whether she was joking or not..yeah maybe thats how she was trying to come across to make it seem like it but I know thats how she really felt.

just this week..she was late on mon, called in weds, and took off friday...must be nice
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^^^ took off today...geez my mind so overloaded I forgot today is friday lol
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Posted by CluelessCancer
Ya I totally understand I have also been going through a similar situation, not cause i'm a hard worker, but because I can figure things out real easily and I'm a team player. Always volunteering.

You got to have a backbone. Start pulling back. Now I stick to my role. I don't volunteer as much. When people attempt to volunteer me, I just say I'm really really busy, can I help out next time.



Well I hope your situation works out too...you try to do the right thing and it just back fires...but if we werent team players then you hear about that too...cant win for losing
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Oh they already know what I do...

So I get to do her other duties besides that. They know that Im reliable and Im here everyday..no matter what and they take advantage of that...as I've said..i heard they same "oh LIMM will do it" "oh if you cant figure it out, just give it to LIMM"








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You'd rather squander yourself by wallowing in your self inficting suffering, while prclaiming it to be someones fault other than your own ..... than realize the only person who is going to provide you with self worth is yourself.


You seem to miss that point to a happy life .... and continue to act like you are a victim of circumstance ... when in reality, you've always had choices.

I tried to help you ... you'd rather believe that you have no responsibility in providing a life for yourself .... I've tried to help you before with that Cancer man that you were playing victim with, and same thing happened = you felt more comfortable in being a martyr than actually possessing standards for yourself.

sobeit .. suffer as you apparently wish to do
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I know I'm the only one that can make me happy etc.

But for now until I find another job...what then should I do about it.
I know it's my fault for giving more then apparantly I can. I'm just not one of those people that can go into work and do a half ass job...I take pride in my work
Maybe I just don't understand what you mean P :/

Oh the cancer man lol. Over it...we are better off as friends.
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Nevermind I understand. Yeah I have somewhat a passive/aggressive attitude :/ But doesn't most people possess some or all the signs? Not using this as an excuse but as an observation. I mean anybody that displays a sign or two are automatically called passive/agressive ....I think this phrase is used too much to be quite honest. Still not an excuse...cause for me I know I am with somethings
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I know it's my fault for giving more then apparantly I can.






You are just going to refuse to accept responsibility for yourself. You aren't giving more than you can, in fact, you are capable of giving more.

You are attempting to be a martyr in saying your only fault is that you give, as if this giving of yours means more than what others give.

You give without conveying your terms for yourself, and then get pissed off that nobody is following your standards in how they regard you. That has nothing to do with how much you give .. it has to do with you giving without considering yourself and then getting angry that you aren't being pleased.


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I'm just not one of those people that can go into work and do a half ass job...I take pride in my work

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That ^^^ has nothing to do with the issue here either. You're also not one of those people that can go into any place and have values established.

The issue here is what I've already told you .... you are expecting people to abide by your standards without you having to arsed to stand by them yourself.

And then when you are put against the wall by me in pointing out that it's your job to teach other people how to treat you ... you come back with bullshit like: my only fault is giving too much & I have to proudly give 100% ... and yet, neither of those two actually address any issue except the one of you desiring to take the stance of martyr, so you will look as if your being abused for how much you give.

It's an age old problem of Virgo .... suffering themselves is one of their most admirable traits they take pride in. And here, you are a prime example.

You sit and do nothing except bitch because another person has more privileges than you ... when alls you have to do to get the same is stop being a self-inflicted whipping post, but, for some reason, likely due to being a Virgo, you are taking pride in being the whipping post .. and actually wanting people to feel sorry for you.

I don't feel sorry for you .. you're not a victim. And finding another job isn't going to resolve this problem because the problem isn't your place of employment .. the problem is that you have no guts, you have no desire to rise above your obstacles, you have no pride in being an equal
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..... you only pride yourself in being the whipping post.


And again .... what other people do in the office, isn't up to you. You seem to attempt to lay blame on another person, in whom you think you have the authority to analyze her work. When in reality, the only reason you do that is because you have yourself feeling so pathetic that you have to find someone who you think is worse than you to blame.

Whether she works hard or not ..... isn't what effects you at work. What effects you at work is what YOU do, is how YOU act, is YOUR attitude. You seem to not be able to grasp this concept, and instead of addressing yourself and your values, your mouth is full of faulting someone else who never ruined your experience there in the first place.


You ruined your experience there ..... by not showing anyone that you are worth yourself, and so sat there grumbling silently while being unhappy. A person of worth would never be treated the way you are, because they wouldn't have allowed it to happen.

The fact that you are worthless to them (which is what you are saying here, since you say that you work and work and nobody notices how good you are and how much you do) .. that means you realize you're worthless to them, and it was never their responsibility to dig into you to find your worth ...

... it was always up to you to have this worth for yourself, and to present yourself as such.


You could quit and have a thousand jobs in the future, and they will all turn out the same as this one. That is until the day you realize that it's up to you to make your life for you, and not up to someone else to provide your life to you, for you.
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Basically I started on my rampage since the fight on Monday...(








The problem isn't the bosses responsibility to resolve ... because the problem is your inability to find your own balls, for the sake of yourself.

Meaning ... if you had been a professional adult who has pride in herself, then you would have made your considerations known in how you are to be treated from day one.

And since you are incapable of being this adult that I speak of, you have no choice now except to go on rampages when you can't stand your misery any longer.



Again .... suffer as you wish
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P...I understand where you are coming from....and yes most of what you say is right in a sense.

I'm actually highly respected there...I established this on day one (and this has been with all my jobs...and I've only had 3). I know they appreciate me...as it shows in raises etc. I'm actually in with the bosses, partners (law firm). When there is a problem going on, they ask my opinion on it. and yes you are right...I do expect people to live up to my standards when it comes to work (maybe in other areas too) Its a control issue...that I know I have to work on.

I actually applied for her job and in the interview (which they wanted me too and kept asking if I as going to apply)...I told them she was actually more suited for it. I believe in picking the right person for a job...I know I really wasnt it (not that I couldnt do it, not because I felt worthless...she was better suited) and she was (shes done the job before for a while while another person was on military leave). Things have changed now...I dont know exactly what is going on in her personal life...but its starting to show at work...she wasnt like this the beginning of last year.
I honestly dont care to help and do things...everybody deserves a day off ect...but now its starting to become a habit...this is not an every once in a blue moon deal anymore...this is why I am frustrated.

This is why I went to my boss...I just did in the wrong way. I let my emotions and frustration take over instead of talking about it in a rational way. and yes I have this problem in some other areas too. maybe its the whole nature vs nurture deal...I did grow up with an over bearing asshole of a scorp dad...and I am like him in a lot of ways :/...and no this is not an excuse, not trying to blame him for my life...I always said I was going to be different than him (some areas I am because i made my own life with out any help)...well yeah im not doing a very good job at that either :/ but at least Im noticing patterns and I try and stop them or direct them in a different way...hence this thread. Isnt that a good thing P? I dont want to be this unhappy person...with control issues and out of control emotions...thats not a life and its not working for me anymore.
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this is pretty irrelevant but not really either.

So the other day I decided to have my cards read...idk why but I did (do I believe in it, yeah somewhat but still am skeptical) anyway...I was determined to stay quiet...let her do all the talking etc. Well what she read was pretty dead on. She said my energy is all over the place (true, I havent felt like myself in a year now)...and that where my energy is supposed to be, I have other peoples energy taking hold. Mines not centered...its floating outside of my body and not in it. I've had a lot of things happen to me in my life but more so these last few years...things I had no choices over, things out of my control (not that anything is in my control, except myself) and its really fucked up my psyche.

Like I said whether its real...yeah idk...but it seemed to make a lot of sense.
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Posted by MoonBunny
I wonder if you've read the book The Secret by Linda Byrnes. Apparently if you're thinking about how much work you've got the forces of attraction attracts more work to you, and the more you think about having so much work, the universe gives you exactly what's affecting your moods the most. Same applies to you thinking your bosses affect you.

What you need to do is think of something else for a change, do something else that makes you feel good because positive emotions are 10x more powerful than negative ones.



That does make a lot of sense...I'll have to check out the book.
and you are right I do need to be and think more positive...I know thats some of my problem (it might be all of my problem)


thanks MoonBunny 🙂