I Really Wish...

More people would take the time to listen to Virgos, than to try to tell Virgos about themselves.

We're quite easy to understand, and very open once approached correctly (correctly = respectfully, and without accusation--the way ANYONE should be approached), so I'm really at a loss for why certain people just can't comprehend how we feel about certain issues, how we percieve the world, and what makes us tick.

You'd think they'd be more open to LISTENING to our views, as opposed to TELLING us what THEY believe we're about, especially, when they have a Virgo under their own roof that they cannot connect with.

Bottomline, don't pretend to want to know the truth about us when you can't handle it and refuse to acknowledge it. We don't like wasting our time on the ignorant.

Why,hello there CLCNY30,I have a question for you ; as I try to live a drama free RL,and from your post that you do do ,don't you find you have time to do so much more with your time? That you can be so much more productive— Your thoughts??And I would like to thank in advance for I know will be a most insightful answer.

LOL!

I'm actually quite the quiet one.

In fact, when there were several threads bashing a certain member, I stayed out of them. I might have my negative opinion about said member, but I'm the type to stay to myself until you get in my face. Then it's "poke the sleeping bear, and it'll eat your face off" and all that jazz, ya know?

Funny thing is, my blood pressure stays the same--as I know I'm teaching a lowlife a lesson, and I get a high off of it. Others would like to believe I'm all red in the face, veins popping, etc., but I'm usually smirking or chuckling as I do it.

I find the liars/bored-and-or-sex-deprived troublemakers/delusional/pill-popping sort are the ones who start drama, and then try to play innocent when they realize we're not kowtowing, and will NEVER be who they insist we should be. It frustrates them, as they seek control over others, since they cannot even manage to control themselves or their loved ones, but that's not our problem. I'm sure there's an app for that though. There's an app for EVERYTHING nowadays. They should check it out.

The way I look at it--I'm here on the board of my sign.

THEY'RE here on the board of MY sign.

You know you are prejudice towards the sign, and do not wish to understand it--so why lift your skirt over here and show your rotting cavity, then scream "booga booga!" when we throw rocks at you?

Why can't you stay away?

Why can't you control yourselves when you DO venture over?

Are things that slow in your neck of the woods?

Why open your mouth here, if you're not willing to open up your mind first?

In essence, THEY are the real sh1tstirrers, just trying to project.

They're not fooling anyone...well, maybe their followers, trying to keep them ignorant. They keep these people living in their own sickness, and are--in my eyes, the true puppets.

My my CLCNY30,that was quite insightful.I fully understand .It is more of an allegory really,the sleeping bear is the Virgo forum and being "poked" is more of an external element coming in for shiit stirring?Have I got that right?

I don't whether it is being a Virgo female ,the topic at hand or all the commentary ,that I also was rotflmao.When you can get someone to spit out their beer ,you know you're good. Then folks keep circling back when they said they were leaving and people quoting their own selves because no one was answering them ,I think you can call your goals achieved ?Don't you? It's like watching circus clown scooping up elephant poo with a tea spoon. That shizz funny!Laughter IS good for the soul.


—Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain but it takes character and self control to be understanding and forgiving.??
Dale Carnegie quotes (American lecturer, author, 1888-1955).Is that what you meant about control?



I think it's more of an envy issue,really.Something someone doesn't understand ,so they seeks to tear it down.Trying to get others conform their set of norms because they can't deal with someone elses norms ,standards and values.So are they valueless then??Sad Really. "App for that". That's quite humorous.


Ah these folks that you speak of aren't from this forum.Have they ever had a constructive conversion with anyone in here?No? Isn't that what they call closeminded??Hmmm,that's sad really,no , more pathetic really.


Ah,wise CL,do you think that they will ever understand about traits that they don't possess,haven't been exposed to or have tried to practise in their own lives? Your thoughts?

Yes, you have it right. And while some (including some of the resident Virgos) might feel we ALL should ignore/block said troublemakers, I say that tactic just doesn't seem to be working and while I fully respect that THEY still choose to ignore said nuisances, I'm just going to get my OWN jollies handing them their asses using their OWN points to prove how one-sided/close minded/delusional they are.

They create imaginary points that they then DEMAND us to prove (you seriously don't understand our sign, do you?), try to use something you NEVER said, get all high and mighty off their own asstoots, and then fully ignore your inquiries as to what orifice they pulled their accusations and prejudices out of.

They pray, it seems, for the day the Virgo will be "weak":

weak/w??k/Adjective
1. Lacking the power to perform physically (or mentally) demanding tasks; lacking physical (or mental) strength and energy

But even on days where I feel more weak than usual, I'm still stronger than most, and will never let a lunatic tell me what's what. Fohwtbs.

We speak about ourselves on this forum (and are called the vain sign for doing so--when it's just a POOL of information for anyone open-minded enough to want to learn more about us), what motivates us, what offends us, what we mean when we say A, what we mean when we do B. It doesn't seem to matter anyway, because certain people aren't happy with what's presented to them, even if it's the truth coming STRAIGHT from the horse's mouth, so they try to twist things around and then say WE'RE manipulative/liars/cold/unemotional. Here's a good quote that sums this up:

—There's a basic human weakness inherent in all people which tempts them to want what they can't have and not want what is readily available to them.??
- Kathleen Casey

If they took what was given to them, instead of wanting what just isn't possible from us (this goes for any sign, btw), they'd fare better. But alas, their egos inflate their heads to the point where there is no room for knowledge of the reality of the sign of the Virgin.

If it's not an envy issue, it most definitely is one of insanity--on their behalf. I can't imagine claiming to loathe a sign, and then submerging myself in it. I might observe it from afar, perhaps to MAYBE try to understand it a bit more, but to march on in like Big Bad Leroy Brown, Baddest Damn B1tch In The Whole Damn Town, and try to BOSS it around and BULLY it into making me it's leader...why, that's crazier than a bowlful of catsh1t (O_O).

As far as your last question, Vulcan--ANYONE could understand a Virgo 🙂

Why, when APPROACHED RESPECTFULLY, we LOVE to talk about ourselves.

Just take a gander at all the "Does My Virgo Like Me?", "Should I Tell My Virgo How I Feel?" threads, and you'll see the wealth of information we're just waiting to share, with care, compassion, understanding. We'll even elaborate until the sun goes down if it still seems too curt.

But then we're labeled vain, for wanting to explain ourselves. For wanting to help those that think we're complicated, when we're really not 🙂

So we're damned if we do or don't...

Posted by 25thDecan
I hear you. I don't feel we're damned. No human holds that power. You gotta be you. NOTHING wrong with that.

I think that something we have to remind ourselves in general. I think with astrology, we often forget that outside of our sign, we are individuals first. While we may identify ourselves as virgos, there are other aspects that our personality, whether they are psychological or socially influenced, that makes us difference. And in a way, I think the fact that we do get lumped together is our downfall as well as our strength. It reminds me of my virgo roommate, how we are indeed virgos in many ways, but we are so different in general. I think that when someone comes in and lumps us together, especially negatively, we have need to defend ourselves or else we come face to face with attributes that could be true or not true. That's a human thing; anything that we view as negative we immediately look past it as being a personality trait. However, when we are lumped together under something positive, we polarize and analyze the higher more likable traits so that they indeed embody us.

Really, if someone does try to lump us together, we should look at ourselves and remind ourselves what traits we do and don't have. If they don't apply, well it's not our problem. Some virgos probably do possess these traits, but that doesn't mean we all do. It's never an issue of having to ignore the person causing the issue, but to look away because it's not our issue unless we, individually, realize it.

Just my two cents. Sorry to get all psych crazy on your guys.

Posted by 25thDecan
It's always a point of contention with someone when they demand that you see their impression of you...at YOUR expense. They are bullies. Same as those on the schoolyard. NOT tyrants-unless they have power...but bullies.

Many bullies have NO idea that what they do is bullying. They simply..are. that said....many of THEM do NOT have their lives "in order" and are FAR from happy or mentally healthy.

I do as I wish and avoid them...because I KNOW my limitations for abuse...ie...I WILL react violently. So...I move on.

Enjoy the positive, give, love! This is so much easier. Live it. Bullies cannot stop you when you do.

🙂

P.S. I was a high school teacher for awhile...dealt with bullies. I was also bullied in school...until I found use in weapons and violence(brings pain to all parties...find a better way). I know what I'm talking about.

Hey, Decan! :*

Sorry, I was in class--I couldn't respond any longer (teacher was getting suspicious, lmfao)

Okay, I get your pov on that opening--"It's always a point of contention with someone when they demand that you see their impression of you...at YOUR expense". But, that makes them sound like more than bullies, though. It makes them sound insecure--misery-loving-company style . Just because you're unhappy with yourself doesn't mean others are. Work on you, let THEM live their lives. I've been told that a person truly happy with themselves and with their lives will seek to spread happiness, and a person in the opposite boat will play demon and try to collect lost souls. But the Virgo (although prone to periods of depression) is no lost soul. As I said, even on our weak days, there's still so much strength that it's almost as if we FIND strength in our weakness (it reminds us that we're NOT Superman/Superwoman, and we can get sick/tired/fed up just like anybody else--we need that). We may seek to improve on ourselves, better ourselves, but we LIKE who we are--no matter who else out there doesn't care for us. It's the reason why we disappear, or withold/silence ourselves from those that seek to change us. YOU think we need to change, we're happy with who we are--no matter what you believe, and it frustrates you into becomming a monster, which you then try to label us as.

Projection. It's what's for dinner.

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Posted by 25thDecan
I hear you. I don't feel we're damned. No human holds that power. You gotta be you. NOTHING wrong with that.

I think that something we have to remind ourselves in general. I think with astrology, we often forget that outside of our sign, we are individuals first. While we may identify ourselves as virgos, there are other aspects that our personality, whether they are psychological or socially influenced, that makes us difference. And in a way, I think the fact that we do get lumped together is our downfall as well as our strength. It reminds me of my virgo roommate, how we are indeed virgos in many ways, but we are so different in general. I think that when someone comes in and lumps us together, especially negatively, we have need to defend ourselves or else we come face to face with attributes that could be true or not true. That's a human thing; anything that we view as negative we immediately look past it as being a personality trait. However, when we are lumped together under something positive, we polarize and analyze the higher more likable traits so that they indeed embody us.

Really, if someone does try to lump us together, we should look at ourselves and remind ourselves what traits we do and don't have. If they don't apply, well it's not our problem. Some virgos probably do possess these traits, but that doesn't mean we all do. It's never an issue of having to ignore the person causing the issue, but to look away because it's not our issue unless we, individually, realize it.

Just my two cents. Sorry to get all psych crazy on your guys.

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Absolutely nothing to apologize for, thanks for joining in.

Great points, and very understandable.

In the end, I think whether the Virgo is the type to just sit back calm/cool/collected while someone rants and raves around them, or to bicker back and forth with them, the MINDSET is still the same; we know who we are at the end of the day, and no amount of bickering with said troublemaker will change that.

I take no offense to people lumping Virgos together, to be honest, because they have not met every Virgo and are of course only speaking of those they've encountered--which could lead one to ask, "if every Virgo you've encountered has been rude towards you...can it really be all VIRGOS that

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are the issue? Or is it, more realistically, YOU that are the issue?"

Perhaps if they sought to UNDERSTAND the sign, instead of trying to give it advice it's not asking for, they would fare better.

To be honest, I haven't met every virgo either. And my relationships with them have been up on down. Two of my closest friends are virgos, but I grew up with a virgo that used to make my life miserable. So in a way, you can't lump all virgos together. But humans in general have a need to categorize things because it's easier for us to make assessments that way. I look at my friends, and none of them care about astrology like I do. So when something happens between my friends and I, it's not because of "Oh, my roommate is being such an aries" or "my friend is being too much of a sagg." They become individuals.

so yes, the question does remain, is it the person's fault who does lump us together, or do we get so caught up in trying to fight the fact that we get lumped together?

I'll openly admit, when something is said about a virgo, I do take it to heart, but only because I look at it as an individual trait and not something as a whole. And in a way, that is how this site has helped me because it teaches me more about myself and not about myself as a virgo. I can tell you for days why I'm a virgo, but sometimes I need to understand myself more as Candice, and not as Candice, the virgo.

@ 25TH.That tactic will work if you are dealing with the bully that has no idea that there is another way to communicate and a few months on the proverbial couch wll get them up to speed with their lifeskills.The can learn to model acceptable social behavorial skills.What about the bully that is motivated by serious insecurities and old fashioned sociopathic behavior and have drawn self enclosed boundaries.Ordinary means seem not to be appliciable.Now people are being urged to speak up and not turn a blind eye.Earlier detection and treatment can go along ways , if not, we then have a burden on resources of our society.And some people just need their arshes handed to them.

@Candeh,In this forum we Virgos haven't had the chance to show others the different flavors of our sign ,because of external elements.So many of our traits get overlooked or misconstrued.We're mellow,others percieve weakness,we're refined ,others see fussy,we're in defense mode,others see uptight.Use what words as you will to describe non-Virgos,I would like to use the words civilized and respectful.In most cases you can,but when that is not the cases the paradigm
shifts to defense mode and only the stereotypical traits float to the suface.

Posted by Candeh15
To be honest, I haven't met every virgo either. And my relationships with them have been up on down. Two of my closest friends are virgos, but I grew up with a virgo that used to make my life miserable. So in a way, you can't lump all virgos together. But humans in general have a need to categorize things because it's easier for us to make assessments that way. I look at my friends, and none of them care about astrology like I do. So when something happens between my friends and I, it's not because of "Oh, my roommate is being such an aries" or "my friend is being too much of a sagg." They become individuals.

so yes, the question does remain, is it the person's fault who does lump us together, or do we get so caught up in trying to fight the fact that we get lumped together?

I'll openly admit, when something is said about a virgo, I do take it to heart, but only because I look at it as an individual trait and not something as a whole. And in a way, that is how this site has helped me because it teaches me more about myself and not about myself as a virgo. I can tell you for days why I'm a virgo, but sometimes I need to understand myself more as Candice, and not as Candice, the virgo.

And that, dear Candeh, is a blessed mindset--being able to identify parts of yourself within the sign, but to know that at the end of the day, you are quite simply you. That alone should allow you to brush off any offense you take with there are ignorant statements thrown around about our sign, because it DOESN'T define you. How can 1 sign define the entire population that it represents? It's impossible.

But people would LIKE to believe we are all cut from the same cloth. The thought of actually running into a Virgo that they could stand would make all their hateful rants obselete, make them look a fool (which they're terrified of), and just make them even more insecure than they already must be, to try to project their ignorance as our own.

Just like you feel I should stay quiet when faced with the same tired insults from the same tired people (which is understandable) I feel you should never take to heart what either those same sad individuals or others may try to insinuate about you just because you are a Virgo.

I honestly love reading Virgo rant threads. They are h-i-LARious to me! People who claim to hate the sign, to not be able to care LESS about

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the sign, etc. taking their precious time out to rant about us--and continuously, at that. I take into account what they say, because it IS healthy to know what others may think about you, and I can see some points in their frustration, but for the most part it's just bias, prejudice, hatred, and confusion over not being able to get what they want out of us, when the truth is that we'll GIVE you what you want (and gladly) when you stop DEMANDING it from us, and allow us to give freely. But they can't comprehend that. They're just too intent on hating the sign, and that should be their problem, never your own, mama.

Oooh! Vulcan, can I haz a spinoff of your cartoon character thread— I have another fun one 😄

@CLCNY30,oh wise one,as I understand it,there are many type of Virgo in the world? What would you then like to share about those vast differences?Differences that go beyond us wanting staples in the same area of mutiple pages being arrangement together,though that is certainly important as well.Please share.

I know Virgos that are shy as all hell. They will literally go beet red if you focus too much attention on them.
I know Virgos who won't stfu with the preaching, and try to go all Confucius on people
I know ANGRY Virgos, who either have issues from childhood, or are just tired of being used/manipulated
I know carefree Virgos, who I sometimes will whisper words like, "psst...PSST!...are you REALLY a Virgo?" in their ear
I know homebody Virgos
I know my-girl-likes-to-party-all-the-time Virgos
I know 40-year-old-Virgin Virgos
I know 20-year-old slut Virgos
I know skinny Virgos, fat Virgos, well-spoken Virgos, Virgos who make up languages

There's just too many types of us to lump together.

As I said, only those seeking to prove their own prejudices and small-mindedness correct will think we all act as one.

@CLCNY30 Use away,I give you the use freely and without expectation of recompense.

I think the world needs to see their madness though, Dy

I wonder why no ones speaking up on their behalf today though (O_O)

Posted by CancerMoon
We should also stop trying to live up to everyones exspectations. I know - when I do it- it makes me miserable. Since we are known (as a sign) to have so many bad traits, people expect us to be extra nice, extra helpful and we better be sorry when we show any 'bad traits'. We should do what the other signs are doing. Sell our weaknesses as strenghts.

We are so freakin' hard on ourselves. People just don't GET it! If I had one Virgo-based wish, it would be to just turn my thoughts off for a day. Just to know what it feels like to take a fukitall pill, and strut Leo style down the damn street, LOL. I'm so sick and tired of the self-bashing, and it's why I react so violently whenever someone else attempts to bash me (99.9% of the time, it's something I'm ALREADY on myself about). I just hate people trying to tell me who they think I should be. They think it's helpful advice, and all it is is unasked for dribble. Flip the script on these very same people, and they'll act just as ignorantly as they try to claim YOU act. No one likes it. It's not just a Virgo thing.

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Posted by CancerMoon
We should also stop trying to live up to everyones exspectations. I know - when I do it- it makes me miserable. Since we are known (as a sign) to have so many bad traits, people expect us to be extra nice, extra helpful and we better be sorry when we show any 'bad traits'. We should do what the other signs are doing. Sell our weaknesses as strenghts.

We are so freakin' hard on ourselves. People just don't GET it! If I had one Virgo-based wish, it would be to just turn my thoughts off for a day. Just to know what it feels like to take a fukitall pill, and strut Leo style down the damn street, LOL. I'm so sick and tired of the self-bashing, and it's why I react so violently whenever someone else attempts to bash me (99.9% of the time, it's something I'm ALREADY on myself about). I just hate people trying to tell me who they think I should be. They think it's helpful advice, and all it is is unasked for dribble. Flip the script on these very same people, and they'll act just as ignorantly as they try to claim YOU act. No one likes it. It's not just a Virgo thing.

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Imagine not only thinking like a virgo, but having five million scorp emotions that are also influenced by that virgo anxiety. I only wish I could be like a Sagg or an Aqua for a day.

Leos are also pretty sensitive, so you'd have to be careful of that lol.

I can see the reason for the Aqua (I'm not really knowledgeable about Sags). But you get me, that carefree state that I just envy sometimes...

Would be nice (-_-)

And, in reference to the Leos, I meant their swag 😉

^^^truth.com--please heed it, Amandus...

CM, who people WANT us to be changes every day.

It's why we prefer to stay in our own company.

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Posted by CancerMoon
We should also stop trying to live up to everyones exspectations. I know - when I do it- it makes me miserable. Since we are known (as a sign) to have so many bad traits, people expect us to be extra nice, extra helpful and we better be sorry when we show any 'bad traits'. We should do what the other signs are doing. Sell our weaknesses as strenghts.

We are so freakin' hard on ourselves. People just don't GET it! If I had one Virgo-based wish, it would be to just turn my thoughts off for a day. Just to know what it feels like to take a fukitall pill, and strut Leo style down the damn street, LOL. I'm so sick and tired of the self-bashing, and it's why I react so violently whenever someone else attempts to bash me (99.9% of the time, it's something I'm ALREADY on myself about). I just hate people trying to tell me who they think I should be. They think it's helpful advice, and all it is is unasked for dribble. Flip the script on these very same people, and they'll act just as ignorantly as they try to claim YOU act. No one likes it. It's not just a Virgo thing.

Imagine not only thinking like a virgo, but having five million scorp emotions that are also influenced by that virgo anxiety. I only wish I could be like a Sagg or an Aqua for a day.

Leos are also pretty sensitive, so you'd have to be careful of that lol.

Oh, I'd like to have a Scorp Moon for a day. Just to see how it is. My Cancer Moon eats me alive, ugh. The moodiness, the cinly, whiny sulkiness of this Moon Sign is just beyond words...
Being an Aqua must be amazing though!

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Lol, I think it's just the curse of having water placement in an emotional spot... I would say you can surely try to scorp moon, but to just be cautious lol. Although, I can empathize with you already about having a cancer moon...

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Lol, I think it's just the curse of having water placement in an emotional spot... I would say you can surely try to scorp moon, but to just be cautious lol. Although, I can empathize with you already about having a cancer moon...

So the Scorp Moon is similair, just more intense? And less annoying? LOL
I don't know why but Scorp placements always seem less watery to me than Pisces or Cancer placements. Maybe because Scorps are not as openly emotional?

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I definitely think that having scorp placements caters more towards the extremes with emotions than just having an overabundance of them. I mean, you still have a lot of emotions with the scorp moon... a lot. However, you become more fixated with certain thoughts or feelings, and when you are moody, it really can be a dark place. But, it can also be a fun placement because it can be rather daring. You don't want to really settle for just something.

You really have to just make it work for you. But yes, with the scorp moon, you are less openly emotional, but that may not always be a good thing, either.

Posted by virg_goki
somehow I feel that even the asteroids affect our whole make-up as a person. Something small happens and I get very sensitive about it and the whole anxiousness thing happens. Or I just become the angry virgo that CYCNY30 gave.

something small happens = triggers huge reaction



check yourself for that

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something small happens = triggers huge reaction
check yourself for that

For instance, you and your rat kind brought the black death to Europe slaying a third of the population?
Small insignificant things, big fallout.
Good morning to you too, rat devil.

Like a moth to a flame.

Sad.

Posted by CLCNY30
Like a moth to a flame.

Sad.

Please tell me you didn't intend this to me darling.

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Posted by virg_goki
somehow I feel that even the asteroids affect our whole make-up as a person. Something small happens and I get very sensitive about it and the whole anxiousness thing happens. Or I just become the angry virgo that CYCNY30 gave.

something small happens = triggers huge reaction



check yourself for that

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This is something that I was kind of making a point with. Like any virgo, I have anxiety. However, I've had major and mild problems with anxiety for years, and is now something I am seeking help for. So my issues with anxiety, while virgoish, are also something I have an issue with individually, and something I don't completely relate to astrology.

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Posted by CLCNY30
Like a moth to a flame.

Sad.

Please tell me you didn't intend this to me darling.

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Sweet Jesus no, LOL

I meant it for the obvious lurker who just can't control herself, and can't stay away

Come on now 😛

Thank 8lb7oz Baby Jebus CLCNY, I was gonna go cry in a corner... because you just KNOW how serious I take all this.

LMFAOOOOOOOOOO

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