Virgos, relationships, and cheating

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Hey, hey. The last time I was here, I was having a hard time in a long-distance relationship with my VirGuy. Turns out, he was cheating on me. I would like some assistance in assessing how likely he is to do it again, based on personal experience and knowledge of astrology and personality.

Outline:
He pursued me pretty heavily in February 2008, and we began dating on the 14th.

We lived together that summer.

He left to study abroad in September. We kept touch over e-mail and Skype, but by the end of the semester I knew something was awry. It turns out he cheated on me with two different girls (an acquaintance who studied with him called it —two mini-relationships??). When I asked him about one of the girls over the semester, he lied. I spent New Year??s with him at his parents?? house, and while he was with me, he texted his ex (unhealthy high school/early college relationship: she was a habitual liar, cheated on him, they had threesomes together, he was basically comatose with drug use). I found this out a few weeks later and asked him why. He told me, —I don't know. Because I wanted to do those things [be with her, kiss her]??. After a day, he came back and broke up with me, although he refused to say that he didn't love me anymore. A Scorpio —friend?? of mine almost immediately attached herself to him, and he took up with her. At the end of the month I found out that he had cheated on me. I was most upset that he lied to me.

I spent three months ignoring him.

In March, he came back and, crying, told me that he was so sorry, that he loves me, that he will never cheat again because he hates how it makes him feel, and he hates that he hurt me. I took him back, but I didn't feel quite the same about it. I asked to take a break over the summer so I could deal with the residue of trust issues, hurt feelings, and general imbalance in the relationship. I had a fling, and was uncertain what I wanted to do by the time school began again in early August. VirGuy says that he was not with anyone over the summer.

For weeks, he actively pursued me: poems under the wipers of my car, wanted to hang out all the time, asked me on a date, which I refused. In early October I began to get closer with him again. When we got back together, the poems stopped, the —I love you??s stopped, he didn't ask to take me out again. When I asked him about this behavior, he told me that he felt that I was settling for him, so I did my best to convin
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??_convince him otherwise. Truthfully, once I was back with him, I wanted to kick myself for not realizing earlier that the other guy (Gem) was definitely not worth it.

Thanksgiving as absolutely wonderful. But in late November he began to get distant because he was financially insecure — he kept talking about spending money. Right before he left for the end of the semester, he finally took me out to dinner, and he bought us tickets for another concert at the same venue for this New Year??s.

I love him. And I am trying to trust him. At school, I trusted him because he wanted to spend all of his time with me and obviously I knew most of what he was doing. But at the tail end of the semester, a Cap friend of his was crossing the line, and although I asked him to make his boundaries known to her, I don't think he did, because I think he likes the attention. That shook the trust a little bit; I??ve seen her flirt with him. He has assured me that he is not interested in her, but what does that mean for other girls who flirt with him?
So now he is at home, hanging out with high school friends, and I can't kick this idea that his ex is up there too, whom he hasn't seen in over a year, but throughout the majority of the time we've been dating, she has continued to send him pictures of herself and calls him and texts him. I know that he hadn't spoken to her this semester before going up home, but now I have no idea if they??re in touch, or if he is seeing her, or what he does when he's at parties up there.

We speak every day/night, but recently he has been telling me to call him instead of offering to call me, and when I tell him to call me instead, he doesn't. Last night I texted him —goodnight?? at 2:45AM and at 4 I got a reply.

I am flying up on the 30th, and he says that he is excited to see me, that he misses me, that he loves me.

Am I being paranoid?

Are there any Virgos here who have cheated? Or had any similar experiences? Is it likely to happen again?

His chart is: Sun—Virgo, Moon—Cancer, Mercury—Libra, Venus—Virgo, Mars—Virgo, Asc.—Aries (as far as I can tell). His Venus is square to Neptune; what does this mean?

Thank you so much for your input.
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Cajun: Thanks for your reply. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt and attribute his actions to immaturity. His only other committed relationship was with a girl who would routinely organize threesomes with other women at the age of 18, cheated on him, and was known to have tendencies to wander even when he was in the next room. Therefore, he may not have developed the sense of what a healthy relationship was before he and I became involved. A close mutual friend said that the change in him was visible after he started dating me, and I think going abroad by himself caused a slide-back to the selfish tendencies that were acceptable in his previous relationship, especially when expected to go without sex for four months. Above all, I saw his guilt and repentance, and I have been willing to give him another chance. Until now, I have had no other doubts about his loyalty, and it has been about a year.
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Cajun: Thanks for your reply. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt and attribute his actions to immaturity. His only other committed relationship was with a girl who would routinely organize threesomes with other women at the age of 18, cheated on him, and was known to have tendencies to wander even when he was in the next room.



Hahahahaaha, he's messed up and you think you can fix him?
How many times have you heard this story go WRONG?

Therefore, he may not have developed the sense of what a healthy relationship was before he and I became involved. A close mutual friend said that the change in him was visible after he started dating me, and I think going abroad by himself caused a slide-back to the selfish tendencies that were acceptable in his previous relationship, especially when expected to go without sex for four months. Above all, I saw his guilt and repentance, and I have been willing to give him another chance. Until now, I have had no other doubts about his loyalty, and it has been about a year.
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He CHEATED ON YOU more than twice!
These are the cold facts. This is reality.

What happens if he "slides back" again?!

You're just setting yourself up for more pain and suffering.
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Thanks, sortilege. I think he does care about me, though. I just don't know if that's enough.

Cajun: I do not think that I can "fix him". I love him, and I understand that people make mistakes. He cheated on me only during that semester, not "more than twice".

I came here looking not for judgement but for a possible means of understanding his behavior, and how common it is within Virgos, and how to deal with the possibilities. I am a mature person, and I knew that by taking him back I could possibly befall the same fate. However, even if it does happen to me again, I will never regret that time that we have spent together. I know that, whatever faults he may have, he truly has feelings for me -- his affections both in public and private have more than proven this to me throughout the months we have been back together. If he does become a habitual cheater, naturally I will go my own way. However, no further infidelities have been proven as of yet.
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Cajun: I do not think that I can "fix him". I love him, and I understand that people make mistakes. He cheated on me only during that semester, not "more than twice".



Two different girls, is plural.

I came here looking not for judgement but for a possible means of understanding his behavior



You're not being judged.

and how common it is within Virgos, and how to deal with the possibilities.



Virgos cheating... more common August 23rd - August 28th
Less common August 29th - September 15th
I don't know beyond that.

If you smother him and try to control him, you will push him away.
Virgos need space and when we "take it", Cancers freak out.

I am a mature person, and I knew that by taking him back I could possibly befall the same fate. However, even if it does happen to me again, I will never regret that time that we have spent together. I know that, whatever faults he may have, he truly has feelings for me -- his affections both in public and private have more than proven this to me throughout the months we have been back together. If he does become a habitual cheater, naturally I will go my own way. However, no further infidelities have been proven as of yet.
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You speak so confidently, I wonder if you can always be this strong. You'll definitely need strength and patience with a Virgo.
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I would like some assistance in assessing how likely he is to do it again: This is your relationship timeline...

cheated on me with two different girls
he lied (When I asked him about one of the girls over the semester)
texted his ex (unhealthy high school/early college relationship: she was a habitual liar, cheated on him, they had threesomes together, he was basically comatose with drug use).
He told me, —I don't know. Because I wanted to do those things [be with her, kiss her]??.
broke up with me
A Scorpio —friend?? of mine almost immediately attached herself to him, and he took up with her.
he came back and, crying, told me that he was so sorry, that he loves me, that he will never cheat again
HE BEGGED YOU BACK ONLY TO REJECT YOU AGAIN
When we got back together, the poems stopped, the —I love you??s stopped, he didn't ask to take me out again. When I asked him about this behavior, he told me that he felt that I was settling for him
THEN YOU MAKE EXCUSES WHY HE'S DISTANCING HIMSELF AGAIN...OH IT'S FINANCIAL REASONS YEAH THAT'S WHAT IT IS
in late November he began to get distant
in late November he began to get distant because he was financially insecure — he kept talking about spending money. Right before he left for the end of the semester, he finally took me out to dinner, and he bought us tickets for another concert at the same venue for this New Year??s.
MONEY SEEMED TO BE AVAILABLE TO TAKE YOU OUT TO A CONCERT AND DINNER hmmm that's interesting
a Cap friend of his was crossing the line, and although I asked him to make his boundaries known to her, I don't think he did
she has continued to send him pictures of herself and calls him and texts him
I know that he hadn't spoken to her this semester before going up home, but now I have no idea if they??re in touch, or if he is seeing her, or what he does when he's at parties up there.
DO YOU REALLY HAVE TO ASK IF HE'S STILL TALKING TO HER....I MEAN REALLY

Am I being paranoid? No but you are in DENIAL

No one here is judging you, you feel judged because you expect a man to ALTER his behavior, it's clear he likes to cheat, he likes threesomes, he likes girls that cheat go astray, he loves this kind of life style RIGHT NOW, maybe when he gets older he will stop but right now he's going to sleep around and enjoy himself, accept it or get out.
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he not only is a cheater he has a DESIRE for women that cheat and lie, you are going to get the worst heartbreak over your inability to see clearly that your in a imaginary relationship. What you need is a heavy dose of cold truth to open your eyes, I know denial is very strong in these kind of situations but it seems he has a character flaw that cannot be fixed plus you 2 are only dating so technically he's not cheating.

He may grow out of his behavior but now that he see you can be manipulated BACK into the relationship with little no effort on his part he know your boundary is WEAK and yes he will cheat again because he can, because he wants to and because he's tested your boundary and now knows there no real true repercussions for his actions, he know he can lose you and get you back with those crocodile tears, there is no real fear of losing anything if he cheats so yep he will do it again probably already has done it, just a matter of time before you find out.

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Virgos cheating... more common August 23rd - August 28th
Less common August 29th - September 15th
I don't know beyond that.





Pretty funny, canjun.
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lmao hahahaha 85 awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww i forgot u was a cusp lol

and cajun u got it right this time august 29 thru sept 15 owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww lmao
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you better hope he doesnt bring you an std lol

I heard HPV is all the rave these days...
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thats so wrong on so many levels caj lol.. im a virgo who cheated in the past dump this dude... i hate to say this put sum virgos like to have women on the side so we can bang when ever we want . this is sum virgos and ur guy is one of them i did sum thing close to him.. i just didnt cry can't do that.. i know wat i say is not nice just hard truth sorry..
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Yup, it's okay being a cusp, LV.

Sometimes, it is pretty hard to not cheat especially if it chicks whom already have boyfriends and want to play unfaithful... hahaha i'm kidding.



u see people like that will never have honesty in their life because they not honest with themselves so how can u be honest with people.

i believe honestly is a 2 way street meaning both people have 2 be that way 🙂
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you better hope he doesnt bring you an std lol

I heard HPV is all the rave these days...

thats so wrong on so many levels caj lol.. im a virgo who cheated in the past dump this dude... i hate to say this put sum virgos like to have women on the side so we can bang when ever we want . this is sum virgos and ur guy is one of them i did sum thing close to him.. i just didnt cry can't do that.. i know wat i say is not nice just hard truth sorry..

although that makes you a total asswipe,I can some how respect your admitting it.if more men like you would be honest that that's how you are....women would know who they are dealing with and make an honest decision.there are women who don't mind playing that game,so you will not run out of hoes.and those of us who would never give you a chance because of that,know up front what you are. you should all have to wear one of those little medic alert type bracelets that say either "player" or "non-player".
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lol i guess but that was along time ago i didn't want to be with her any more and at the time i did not know how to say it.. i only cheated once in my life.. i just tell it how it is sum people don't like it and i expect that.. any ways any one can cheat.. i wouldn't do it now i felt real bad about it.. i can't change the past but i can change the future..
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Sorry, LV, but you are right. I don't want to come off that way. 😢

Na, i was always faithful with each woman i was with. Hell, i was so faithful that i would never even look at another girl whenever i was with mine.

Yeah, the sag friends influence's rub off on me from time to time.



its alright no need 2 be sorry dude i just tell it like it is and sometimes people get hurt because of that but im not harsh with my realness i drop tha nuke in a nice and easy tone but if im pissed cuz and u keep bugging asking tha same thing over and over i will explode and become cold as the arctic lmfao.

and sags people are cool i have some sag fam and friends but i keep my distance with them.
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Cancerchic, to use the words of Dr Phil: "The best indication of future behaviour, is past behavior!"

I know you're hurt, but you are clinging onto something that you KNOW is bad for you. Seriously, how many more times would this guy have to do wrong by you, before you said to yourself that you're not going to tolerate this crap anymore and that you can find someone better??

This guy has made it pretty clear what his deal is.. The longer you stay the more you will get hurt, and your history with this man so far has already proven this fact to you. Your choice..
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Ah youth.

Cancer Chic.... the love of my life was/is a Cancer lady. Those years, your twenties, are a tough time to go thru.

I doubt it's a Virgo thing to cheat... to not be able to stay with one mate for life. I think it's a human thing.
Likely depends a lot on how much testosterone the body produces -shrug- Somewhere in the mid to late twenties
it'll settle down some... but it can be an issue till you hit your forties.

Humans just weren't meant to settle down with a single mate for their whole life. That some can is totally amazing.

Long distance relationships... are tough to deal with especially at that age.

If you have a friendship with this guy, then do what you gotta do.

I told my Cancer lady I loved her every day, and twice on Sundays, heh. That he's not doing the same for you shows
a lack of training. He'll get dumped a lot and have to learn the hard way how to be a better man.... hopefully he'll learn
anyway.
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you better hope he doesnt bring you an std lol

I heard HPV is all the rave these days...

thats so wrong on so many levels caj lol.. im a virgo who cheated in the past dump this dude... i hate to say this put sum virgos like to have women on the side so we can bang when ever we want . this is sum virgos and ur guy is one of them i did sum thing close to him.. i just didnt cry can't do that.. i know wat i say is not nice just hard truth sorry..

although that makes you a total asswipe,I can some how respect your admitting it.if more men like you would be honest that that's how you are....women would know who they are dealing with and make an honest decision.there are women who don't mind playing that game,so you will not run out of hoes.and those of us who would never give you a chance because of that,know up front what you are. you should all have to wear one of those little medic alert type bracelets that say either "player" or "non-player".

lol i guess but that was along time ago i didn't want to be with her any more and at the time i did not know how to say it.. i only cheated once in my life.. i just tell it how it is sum people don't like it and i expect that.. any ways any one can cheat.. i wouldn't do it now i felt real bad about it.. i can't change the past but i can change the future..

what about that married cappy that you fucked?
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what about her i was talking about me cheating not her.. she was going to do wat she wanted to do no matter wat.. if it makes u happy i don't mess with her any more lol..
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Boy what a read!!! Ive seen some crazy "love stories" on here including my own in the past LOL but Im perplexed as to why you would think you're being judged.....you came here for opinions and advice but this guy is a serial womanizer and only comes back to you when his latest conquest is no longer any fun - he got what he wanted and perhaps she dumped his pathetic ass and he wants somebody to keep him warm for a night or 3 until he finds something better......he sounds as damaged as they come.

You came here because you KNOW what is going on is WRONG and you're only staying around because you havent got anybody else to spend your time with....go out and date other men - why are you wasting your precious life on this one? OMG can you seriously wonder if he'll change? he aint gonna change.

What self respecting woman would sit back and KNOW he's already cheated how ever many times and ask herself and us on here whether things can change or get better? Seriously get out of that ridiculous scenario....
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.... but Im perplexed as to why you would think you're being judged.....you came here for opinions and advice but this guy is a serial womanizer and only comes back to you when his latest conquest is no longer any fun - he got what he wanted and perhaps she dumped his pathetic ass and he wants somebody to keep him warm for a night or 3 until he finds something better......he sounds as damaged as they come.






A thing that I find absolutely ridiculous, and disgusting is when a person in here presents a one-sided situation, which clearly shows them as innocent, the other being entirely guilty ... then proceeds to describe how much the innocent victim LOVES this guilty party = a sure sign that an embellishment is in place.

Then when people use thier own brains and discern that something must be wrong with you, if you would ignore the actuality of this alledged bad treatment and decide to only recognize it in theory to come in here and defame his character, looking for people to agree with you that he's a wanker, when we've heard nothing from him, only your voice.

And to top it all off ... it's ok to judge his character, and not yours ... when your voice and description of actions is all we really know. It's perfectly fine if people in here rip him apart if they choose ... heaven forbide anyone say something about you, to your face btw, when you are the one presenting to us that you are loving being abused.



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most virgos don't do that. but some do. some virgos are really fucked up.

in general, an immature fucked up person's "shadow" is roughly equivalent of the worse that their opposing sign has to offer. in the case of virgo, it is the worst of pisces. and the worst of pisces is about as bad as it gets. they are either the victim or the victimizer, and the second you put up with their crap, they become the victimizer. you can make them bust their ass to win you back, but the second you give in, they think you're a chump, no matter how much work it took them and how much they should value you.

this actually can apply to some degree to all the mutable signs (gemini, virgo, sag, and pisces). in general, they require the people in their lives to have firm boundaries. it's nothing personal. but if you forgive them for showing up late once, they'll always show up late. so you've got to be firm. always.

with your virgo, you probably set it up from the begining that you were very forgiving and would put up with the little things he did wrong, so he knew he could do bigger and bigger things. and once that starts, all you can really do is end it. because it'll never stop.

even with the nice virgos, you gotta make sure they respect you.