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you ever noticed that there's an axis theme in the shadowy sectors (organized crimes, secret societies, rumored power shifts of a 'new order' and all other things that people like to whisper about)? and their past seems always to be littered with abuse that CHANGED them and later on... a mysterious rise to power.

the brutal mob boss james "whitey" bulger (VIRGO) vanished for 16 years yet for even longer, controlled a powerful mafia family yet betrayed them by becoming an FBI informer then did what Virgos do best right after.... he disappeared. of course later on he gets caught.

then there's the bad-tempered bugsy siegel (PISCES) of the east coast mob with his girlfriend virginia hill (VIRGO) who was used as a courier to pass messages around the mob. he was of course later brutally killed in one of the most brutal mob hits of all time. the latter grew up in an abusive household but learned to fight back and did what Virgos do... disappeared. then later on, she reappears in the arm of a powerful man. he tragically dies before his dream of a NEW VEGAS realized and she mysteriously kills herself.

in australia, the feuding mob queens kate leigh (PISCES)- deals with cocaine and tilly devine (VIRGO)- deals with brothels built shadowy empires with sex and drugs as their foundation. they used brutality, bribes and exploitation as tools to get ahead. but both would turn out to have a past of being abused by either family or some alcoholic lover. they're both rumored to have kept secret stashes of cash all around the city. ironically, they both die of poverty later on.

now i'm not just talking about the sun but also the moon too.
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even back where i'm from, there's this beautiful but fierce woman (PISCES) who used to be a more quiet and retreating figure. she had a difficult childhood and upbringing. lots of powerful people threatened her when she spoke out about a fraudulent activity she witnessed. she was persecuted by society BUT when she returned to fame, she revealed her new self as the lover of the most powerful man of the underworld (VIRGO). changed by his money, influence and protection, she cuts her enemies in public.
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Well Virgo/Pisces it is the axis of service. Gotta serve the people what they want. And the people want alcohol, sex, gambling, and drugs 🤷‍♂️

but like in open, conventional society.. they rarely seize power

a virgo can only hope to be a war hero or a misunderstood dictator

a pisces usually a president who'd die before coming into the fruits of their visions
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even back where i'm from, there's this beautiful but fierce woman (PISCES) who used to be a more quiet and retreating figure. she had a difficult childhood and upbringing. lots of powerful people threatened her when she spoke out about a fraudulent activity she witnessed. she was persecuted by society BUT when she returned to fame, she revealed her new self as the lover of the most powerful man of the underworld (VIRGO). changed by his money, influence and protection, she cuts her enemies in public.


does she wear cute little Pooh Bear socks?
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Well Virgo/Pisces it is the axis of service. Gotta serve the people what they want. And the people want alcohol, sex, gambling, and drugs 🤷‍♂️

but like in open, conventional society.. they rarely seize power

a virgo can only hope to be a war hero or a misunderstood dictator

a pisces usually a president who'd die before coming into the fruits of their visions

Mutables too crazy and restless to fully flourish in conventional society. Probably more likely to explore more aspects of life and associate with people from all walks of life...and then get caught up in that life lol. Then they ‘get’ to color outside of the lines and do things on their own terms somewhat. A mutable nature sounds good in theory for a life of crime because you still have to deal with conventional society and keep them appeased. Law enforcement, politicians, etc. I mean look at ol’ Bugsy. He was able to turn on the charm and come and go as he pleased in all kinds of circles of life. He just also happened to murder people for money and be a complete psychopath in one of those circles lol
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even back where i'm from, there's this beautiful but fierce woman (PISCES) who used to be a more quiet and retreating figure. she had a difficult childhood and upbringing. lots of powerful people threatened her when she spoke out about a fraudulent activity she witnessed. she was persecuted by society BUT when she returned to fame, she revealed her new self as the lover of the most powerful man of the underworld (VIRGO). changed by his money, influence and protection, she cuts her enemies in public.

does she wear cute little Pooh Bear socks?
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seriously though one of the most badass women ever

she sacrificed so much for her ingrate family members who also turned on her like everyone else

if she finds something to hold on to even in the underworld, i think people should shut the fuck up
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even back where i'm from, there's this beautiful but fierce woman (PISCES) who used to be a more quiet and retreating figure. she had a difficult childhood and upbringing. lots of powerful people threatened her when she spoke out about a fraudulent activity she witnessed. she was persecuted by society BUT when she returned to fame, she revealed her new self as the lover of the most powerful man of the underworld (VIRGO). changed by his money, influence and protection, she cuts her enemies in public.

does she wear cute little Pooh Bear socks?

seriously though one of the most badass women ever

she sacrificed so much for her ingrate family members who also turned on her like everyone else

if she finds something to hold on to even in the underworld, i think people should shut the fuck up
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switchblade stashed in the pooh bear lol....

to me, as you tell it, it seems she lacked the strength to fight for her own ideology/convictions, and so was just corrupted/overcome, adopting the same kind of societal power that she originally opposed....its basically total defeat when you think about it. I see it as only a very simplistic form of tragedy, and maybe an object lesson in the real strength it requires to have power aimed towards the good of society....she chose fearful self-preservation to the detriment of others, over the bravery required for martyrdom in service of others....I'm pretty high and that may not may not mke any sense at all though....even as you describe it...she's a "badass" lol...its like a child's fantasy of finally being the alpha....getting revenge on the bullies...I get why it would resonate with a Pisces Moon though, and I don't mean that as a dig...I think there's a real aggressive/assertive streak there, that can manifest in any number of ways positively or negatively, and definitely around themes like this....
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I could see them making a lot of money in the organ trade.

I take that back. They wouldn't have the staying power to actually make a business out of it.. they would just want to kill for fun.

But I see a business opportunity here. I just need to make a few friends with serial killers.

Organs go for a lot and medical schools need cadavers.
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most of them die tragically, brutally, bankrupted or wasted away by some vice

often dying impoverished (mostly virgo moons and pisces moons)

usually ending up where they started
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I could see them making a lot of money in the organ trade.

I take that back. They wouldn't have the staying power to actually make a business out of it.. they would just want to kill for fun.

But I see a business opportunity here. I just need to make a few friends with serial killers.

Organs go for a lot and medical schools need cadavers.

most of them die tragically, brutally, bankrupted or wasted away by some vice

often dying impoverished (mostly virgo moons and pisces moons)

usually ending up where they started
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Poor kittens may his soul rip
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even back where i'm from, there's this beautiful but fierce woman (PISCES) who used to be a more quiet and retreating figure. she had a difficult childhood and upbringing. lots of powerful people threatened her when she spoke out about a fraudulent activity she witnessed. she was persecuted by society BUT when she returned to fame, she revealed her new self as the lover of the most powerful man of the underworld (VIRGO). changed by his money, influence and protection, she cuts her enemies in public.

does she wear cute little Pooh Bear socks?

seriously though one of the most badass women ever

she sacrificed so much for her ingrate family members who also turned on her like everyone else

if she finds something to hold on to even in the underworld, i think people should shut the fuck up

switchblade stashed in the pooh bear lol....

to me, as you tell it, it seems she lacked the strength to fight for her own ideology/convictions, and so was just corrupted/overcome, adopting the same kind of societal power that she originally opposed....its basically total defeat when you think about it. I see it as only a very simplistic form of tragedy, and maybe an object lesson in the real strength it requires to have power aimed towards the good of society....she chose fearful self-preservation to the detriment of others, over the bravery required for martyrdom in service of others....I'm pretty high and that may not may not mke any sense at all though....even as you describe it...she's a "badass" lol...its like a child's fantasy of finally being the alpha....getting revenge on the bullies...I get why it would resonate with a Pisces Moon though, and I don't mean that as a dig...I think there's a real aggressive/assertive streak there, that can manifest in any number of ways positively or negatively, and definitely around themes like this....
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guess you can see that.

it took her years to become who she is now. won't say she's got the ideal, perfect life but being a mutable is about survival, to be resourceful with what you have. she did her best with the cards she had and i totally admire her for that. i remember i made a thread about mutables being liars and it's funny how you kept record of that.... which made me think that fixed signs..... don't understand. some of us learn not to be ashamed of the duality. adapt or die.

when a virgo is 'positive', he is a war hero or a persecuted leader or a martyr. and often when these figures die, it becomes a catalyst for bad things to come. the death of a virgo, the collapse of a system. and the power shifts. i've got a list of world events somewhere, will probably make a thread about it.

but when he is 'negative', he survives. and should he die, it's often by his own hand. but that's sometimes freedom for people who mold themselves to what's currently happening to them. i've seen this play out so many times.

when a pisces is 'positive', he lives to see his visions realized. an inspired orator, full of promises of grandeur and all that. and often though at first seemingly the more chaotic one of the axis, would wish for some kind of peace and quiet in the end.

but when he is 'negative,' often he dies by the hand of another. seemingly like a scapegoat for another man's sin. and his legacy someone else with profit from.
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I could see them making a lot of money in the organ trade.

I take that back. They wouldn't have the staying power to actually make a business out of it.. they would just want to kill for fun.

But I see a business opportunity here. I just need to make a few friends with serial killers.

Organs go for a lot and medical schools need cadavers.

most of them die tragically, brutally, bankrupted or wasted away by some vice

often dying impoverished (mostly virgo moons and pisces moons)

usually ending up where they started

Poor kittens may his soul rip
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lol i think he may have returned to his sag/gem axis roots.
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even back where i'm from, there's this beautiful but fierce woman (PISCES) who used to be a more quiet and retreating figure. she had a difficult childhood and upbringing. lots of powerful people threatened her when she spoke out about a fraudulent activity she witnessed. she was persecuted by society BUT when she returned to fame, she revealed her new self as the lover of the most powerful man of the underworld (VIRGO). changed by his money, influence and protection, she cuts her enemies in public.

does she wear cute little Pooh Bear socks?

seriously though one of the most badass women ever

she sacrificed so much for her ingrate family members who also turned on her like everyone else

if she finds something to hold on to even in the underworld, i think people should shut the fuck up

switchblade stashed in the pooh bear lol....

to me, as you tell it, it seems she lacked the strength to fight for her own ideology/convictions, and so was just corrupted/overcome, adopting the same kind of societal power that she originally opposed....its basically total defeat when you think about it. I see it as only a very simplistic form of tragedy, and maybe an object lesson in the real strength it requires to have power aimed towards the good of society....she chose fearful self-preservation to the detriment of others, over the bravery required for martyrdom in service of others....I'm pretty high and that may not may not mke any sense at all though....even as you describe it...she's a "badass" lol...its like a child's fantasy of finally being the alpha....getting revenge on the bullies...I get why it would resonate with a Pisces Moon though, and I don't mean that as a dig...I think there's a real aggressive/assertive streak there, that can manifest in any number of ways positively or negatively, and definitely around themes like this....

guess you can see that.

it took her years to become who she is now. won't say she's got the ideal, perfect life but being a mutable is about survival, to be resourceful with what you have. she did her best with the cards she had and i totally admire her for that. i remember i made a thread about mutables being liars and it's funny how you kept record of that.... which made me think that fixed signs..... don't understand. some of us learn not to be ashamed of the duality.

lol that's definitely not me at all...I actually have written at length about how often I lie....As for duality, I actually think the notion of a unified stable self with a personality that persists through time is almost entirely an illusion actually, that modern neuroscience largely shows this, that all people embody duality and really just outright multiplicity of personality throughout time in phases of aging- daily in their frequent self-contradiction, ethical idealisms that they fail to attain, constant stream of deception they employ throughout the day towards others - hiding their inner world behind the mask they present to the outer world (a duality in itself), suppression/repression of guilt and cognitive dissonance around extreme forms of these things, even distinct phases of life or roles you can be thrust into where you'll portray more narcissistic and even psychopathic personality traits. Its not just mutables that have dualities though....I think every sign probably embodies one, some in the symbols themselves (e.g. Cap with the fish tail, Scorp with is phases), but also related to the presence of features of the opposite on their axis....the axis is a continuum in some sense to me and interaction with your opposite involves all sorts of important lessons, and I've always felt sympathetic to a Yin & Yang type of analogy there, where the opposite is embodied somewhat...I see that in Pisces/Virgo but also in what I think is the most extreme opposite axis - Aries/Libra....beyond that, and really foundational to astrological theory is that the planets are like actors dressing themselves in the archetype of the signs, performing on the stage of the house and the sphere of life which it governs. You portray a different person in the sense of having different archetypal energies that essentially are personality types lol... expressed in all those areas of the houses, through the modalities of the planets, but also in all the different relational contexts involving people who will resonate with and thus activate different aspects of your many selves, via synastry....I think its really easy to see that too; I can literally observe that everyone sees a different side to me, some so different that the people that see one would see the other as duplicitous/fake/a mask....I think its like that for everyone that's self-reflective to an extent though....that's a whole lot of rambling that would need a lot of unpacking and I apologize...as for lying, I think everyone is a liar and I mean in a broader sense of intentional deception and not that just the technical lie of stating an untruth, which I think is a trivial distinction....the more honest ones just admit to it....thats it for me....I'll probably hide that...gnite lol....
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good night

trust me, i've learned my lessons from that lol

that dynamic though seems like a karmic/mirror thing for me

nothing exemplifies that more than the feud between

tilly devine (VIRGO) and kate leigh (PISCES)

tily was prostituted (virgo itself rules the female reproductive system) and conned by a man who promised her things she can only dream of but becoming her pimp instead, prostituting her on the streets. later on, she will use that to build her empire with sex for trade where there are only transactions, no false promises of anything. you get what you pay for.

kate was abused and starved as a kid, ending up with equally abusive alcoholic lovers. and what will she do later on? build an empire from prohibited liquor and deal with drugs.

to use the object that ruined your life and build yourself back up with it.

these 2 lived their themes to the bitter end.