Aquarius as a subject

I am currently taking a class in which the professor is teaching us that there is no such thing as an individual. This is because every person who would like to claim that they are an individual is really subjected to various things that they cannot control, like their gender, ethnicity, the culture they are born into, and the history of their ancestry. The whole thing makes a lot of sense to me, and what I have concluded is that no one can even start to have an identity until they know what they are a subject of.
So, for all you Aquas who are so big on your individuality, do you agree with this? Do you base your sense of personal identity not on being unlike any one else but on knowing how you are you are like others?

He has a point I have Uranus cap first house and aqua Venus...Anyway I still believe in individuality because people make different choices in their environments.

It all depends on how you interpret the word individuality. People are different for sure, it's just that there are also always similarities between people so no one is totally unique.

Posted by Tornadoday16
It all depends on how you interpret the word individuality. People are different for sure, it's just that there are also always similarities between people so no one is totally unique.

So-- being different isn't individuality for you?

Denver: You could look at every human as possessing the mind of God or the mind separating humans from God.

Don: it's an interesting paradox, the more you are happy the less individual you are, the more you try to be happy the more individual you are. I think this explains why Taureans are so generic, they are just simple happy minds that don't feel the need to do much.

Frostey- what I'm saying is that when saying they are individuals some people are assuming they are totally unique. Individuality in its totality is something impossible to achieve so I only believe in a watered down version.

Yeah I used to think away. I don't think I'm entirely unique but yeah we all differentiate a little on likes, genetics, etc.

I think happiness has a lot to do with individuality. I think it's why the best art comes from depressive minds. When you are happy it is like being in a state of vegetative complacency. It's not a bad thing, happy people just don't feel the need to reach like depressed people do.

Posted by Denver34
What??
And I don't think happiness has anything to do with individuality...some people enjoy family and being part of a group, and or similar to their peers... other people don't like it...

True you could "be like everyone else" and be miserable af because that's not what you want--seeking more individuality.

Posted by Tornadoday16
I think happiness has a lot to do with individuality. I think it's why the best art comes from depressive minds. When you are happy it is like being in a state of vegetative complacency. It's not a bad thing, happy people just don't feel the need to reach like depressed people do.

When I'm happy I feel like writing music and being even more unique. Anything can inspire motivation. I see where you are coming from to a degree but you are still off. Your mood doesn't necessarily dictate your creative expression.

Are you saying @Denver34 that basically being one of the gang and still being an individual. Yeah I get that one too.

Posted by DonAmanMarat
Main question is:

"What is the Story?"

You will get 100 different answers.

Some agree

Some disagree

Some got nothing to say.

You make the Conclusion.

Conclusion for starters is there is Conflict.

Conflict is what makes us Individual.

You cease conflict you have ceased individuality.

This is non issue so far...THERE IS CONFLICT!

Educators disagrees.

They want LEAST conflict, LEAST individuality, so its natural for them to say there is no individuals, because this is what they are programmed to teach you...

OMG you hit it on the nail. There are no individuals. That sounds like some propaganda shit. That is what they want---when I say they I mean people in power they want us like a Communist nation begging for their service. You're right people in power don't want individuals.

But if the people in power don't want individuality maybe we shouldn't have it. Maybe they are in power for a reason.

Man this makes no sense he has not defended himself at all. His professor made good points but the conclusion just doesn't support the premises. Not only that they never defined what individuality is so we could base the discussion off Mr. Professors definition.

Posted by Tornadoday16
But if the people in power don't want individuality maybe we shouldn't have it. Maybe they are in power for a reason.

OMG your professor did a number on you. I'm trying to decide if I should be shocked by such a generic lame answer. I had high hopes for this topic. You literally are making no sense at all. I wish my friend who is getting a PHD in Philosophy was here smh super hard.

Let's not rule out the fact even if we are all humans we are still genetically different but entertaining the idea, sure I agree with it.

We are a product of our environment. Take everything else away then we are just all one of the same meaningless shells.

1. Does that create compassion or hate?
2. Does that become a motivation or a seed for depression?

So what's an aqua's take? Too much of an intellectual wank of a subject that serves no real purpose.

Also I would challenge your Professor's view on individuality, because he just gave you the one major statement that you can have no wrong answers.

Posted by aquasnoz
Let's not rule out the fact even if we are all humans we are still genetically different but entertaining the idea, sure I agree with it.

We are a product of our environment. Take everything else away then we are just all one of the same meaningless shells.

1. Does that create compassion or hate?
2. Does that become a motivation or a seed for depression?

So what's an aqua's take? Too much of an intellectual wank of a subject that serves no real purpose.

That would only work for so long BC like someone said earlier... Conflict begets personality. Really I only see this with schools of fish for example. They are in the same environment and never deviate at least from what I know. The key is it's just not human nature jealousy, pride, and other things would cause this euphoria of sameness to dissipate. That's pretty much how we developed as a species. People challenging the status quo hence personality.

But the original point is just that, disregard all that, what are we? Do we really all magically start forming opinions in our mother's wombs? There's that perspective.

Then there's the perspective I share with the rest of you.

He didn't state it that clearly. You bringing up the baby in womb ok I get that. Obviously the baby has to come out. Coming out is what makes you human even though scientifically you are one no matter where you are.

I don't know why everyone is thinking I haven't defined individuality. For the purposes of this debate an Individual is some one who is completely free of other people. Taking that definition, my professors opinion is that individuality does not exist because no one can be completely free. We as people are all subjected to things out of our control that influence who we are. Therefore it does more justice to look at people as subjects than individuals.

And by the way, my professor would say you all are resisting the fact that freedom does not exist because the ideology of the western cultures we love in has conditioned is to believe in freedom since birth to keep the capitalist wheel spinning and you don't want to deal with the truth.

Because it denotes them as being individual yet also apart. And also, I don't think people can have much sense og identity at all unless they understand the place they occupy within the system and how they are a subject of it.

Being like a Queen's subject. Not being control.

Well I do get that we are all unique we are all made up of different ingredients. I dont see that many gay, left-handed aquarians walking around these days.

Like I said there are different people its just that people focus too much on their differences instead of their similarities.

Ok that we can agree on. @Tornado16.

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Posted by Tornadoday16
I don't know why everyone is thinking I haven't defined individuality. For the purposes of this debate an Individual is some one who is completely free of other people. Taking that definition, my professors opinion is that individuality does not exist because no one can be completely free. We as people are all subjected to things out of our control that influence who we are. Therefore it does more justice to look at people as subjects than individuals.

I agree with your professor's view. Freedom does not exist without responsibilities. The term in the truest sense of the definition would break down the structure of our society because true freedom would mean that human actions are not governed by laws or any social influence, which is impossible.

IMO 🙂

But why does it do more justice to look at people as subjects rather than individuals?

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Yeah but you can do whatever you want with those responsibility and even that's freedom. Even when restricted you have freedom. You freedom just faces challenges.

@frostey91 so you are admitting that freedom is just an ideology

No I am not. I believe freedom always exist because we have feelings and the capacity to make choices. That sets us apart from other living things. Your freedom may appear restricted in certain situations... Jail, a classroom, or whatever but you still have choices---freedom. My problem is when you talk in terms of absolutes---no individuals and no freedom. I can't buy that. I buy that the environment may alter what people do to a degree.

You could say really anything is an ideology though for the most part, if it's not physical though so I see what you are trying to do there.

The question to ask is if your perception of reality is ever free of ideology. Don't you have to have ideology to even understand your self at all? And if you have to have an ideology can you ever be completely free?

Posted by Tornadoday16
The question to ask is if your perception of reality is ever free of ideology. Don't you have to have ideology to even understand your self at all? And if you have to have an ideology can you ever be completely free?

I will first say the arguments you are making are correct and a lot better. As long as you don't use totality I'm cool. I will counter that ideologies are constantly being created but the sense of self is confined by---Americanism, communism, capitalism, jock, slut, whatever, people's indenties I guess are defined by those nebulous ideologies--nebulous because we don't really acknowledge them all the time or whatever. So I see your point people's indenties are also constructed to a degree by ideologies and environments.

Posted by Tornadoday16
But if the people in power don't want individuality maybe we shouldn't have it. Maybe they are in power for a reason.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!!!! No They are not! That is bs.

Being an individual is being free! Genetics, culture, & religion have nothing to do with it, it comes from a much deeper place...

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