Wynter
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Steven Avery
A hunch? He comes across as too good to be true,and that usually causes me to be a bit suspicious. He seems very likable, but something's off.
I also read an article on People magazine. It was an interview with the prosecutor, but he said some interesting things about the victim and what happened on the day she disappeared.
http://www.people.com/article/steven-avery-prosecutor-ken-kratz-says-netflix-series-forgot-key-evidence
I also read an article on People magazine. It was an interview with the prosecutor, but he said some interesting things about the victim and what happened on the day she disappeared.
http://www.people.com/article/steven-avery-prosecutor-ken-kratz-says-netflix-series-forgot-key-evidence
A 'Targeted' Crime?
Kratz, who says he was contacted by filmmakers Laura Ricciardi and Moira Demos but declined to be interviewed for the series, believes Avery "targeted" Halbach.
He cites Halbach's Oct. 10, 2005 visit to the property owned by Avery's family for a photo shoot for AutoTrader magazine: According to Kratz, Avery allegedly opened his door "just wearing a towel."
"She was creeped out [by him]," Kratz says by phone, later adding by email: "She [went to her employer and] said she would not go back because she was scared of him."
At 8:12 a.m. on Oct. 31, the day Halbach was killed, Kratz says Avery called AutoTrader magazine and asked them to send "that same girl who was here last time." He says that Avery knew Halbach was leery of him, so he allegedly gave his sister's name and number to "trick" Halbach into coming.
"Phone records show three calls from Avery to Teresa's cell phone on Oct. 31," says Kratz. "One at 2:24 [p.m.], and one at 2:35 – both calls Avery uses the *67 feature so Teresa doesn't know it him...both placed before she arrives.
"Then one last call at 4:35 p.m., without the *67 feature. Avery first believes he can simply say she never showed up…so tries to establish the alibi call after she's already been there, hence the 4:35 call. She will never answer of course, so he doesn't need the *67 feature for that last call."
Posted by VanishYeah...I'm not really sure why I think so. I only watched the series on Netflix so haven't seen any court documents. I don't think she died in his home, but I'm thinking he took her somewhere else in her suv, and killed her.
I think its unlikely that he is guilty, and I read the entire court case so I'm wondering what you read that makes you think he's guilty.
Brought her back, burned her up
Posted by WynterYou know... if something seems off, it usually is.Posted by VanishYeah...I'm not really sure why I think so. I only watched the series on Netflix so haven't seen any court documents. I don't think she died in his home, but I'm thinking he took her somewhere else in her suv, and killed her.
I think its unlikely that he is guilty, and I read the entire court case so I'm wondering what you read that makes you think he's guilty.
Brought her back, burned her upclick to expand
Posted by VanishBut you... you understand, don't you?
He had an IQ of 70. Of course something is going to seem off to you people with an IQ of 90 to 100.
Posted by VivaciousScorpioIt's doubtful that Avery would had received 36 million from anyone willing to shoot that poor bitch in the head. Why not just shoot Avery instead? Or have him disappear.
It's obvious the cops found this Halbach chick, who was wierd herself. Had her shot in the head and then they began setting in motion everything to have him framed.
They even mention that in the series a few times.
*rewatching*
Posted by VanishI didn't even know about that, until you introduced it into the convo.Posted by MontgomeryI only stated that range because its what is average. Nothing to be ashamed of Monty. I understand that someone who is diagnosed as clinically retarded and also someone who lives in farmland might seem off to someone with an average IQ or above average IQ who is more adjusted to the mores of society. You being one of the most brainwashed people on this forum.Posted by VanishBut you... you understand, don't you?
He had an IQ of 70. Of course something is going to seem off to you people with an IQ of 90 to 100.
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It's his history of violence that colors my opinion-- assaulting his
cousin... dousing the family cat in gasoline and throwing it in the
fire... not his low IQ.
Posted by VanishThe documentary was made possible by the express permission/cooperation of ma and pa Avery--Posted by Montgomery*unlike*Posted by VanishI didn't even know about that, until you introduced it into the convo.Posted by MontgomeryI only stated that range because its what is average. Nothing to be ashamed of Monty. I understand that someone who is diagnosed as clinically retarded and also someone who lives in farmland might seem off to someone with an average IQ or above average IQ who is more adjusted to the mores of society. You being one of the most brainwashed people on this forum.Posted by VanishBut you... you understand, don't you?
He had an IQ of 70. Of course something is going to seem off to you people with an IQ of 90 to 100.
It's his history of violence that colors my opinion-- assaulting his
cousin... dousing the family cat in gasoline and throwing it in the
fire... not his low IQ.
Seriously, if you just watch the documentary, you'll get more info on both of those. You obviously know my history with cats so I'm not going to comment.click to expand
soo... that speaks for itself.
I do not know about your history with cats, but I applaud the omission of personal insults in your response.
He didnt murder that girl.
Yes, a cancer will kill you but theyre into emotional killings
Yes, a cancer will kill you but theyre into emotional killings
Posted by VivaciousScorpioSo that would make a total of THREE false charges against this man.Posted by MontgomeryHe didn't assault his cousin... She was allegedly making things up about him. He just tried to threaten her to get her to stop.Posted by VanishI didn't even know about that, until you introduced it into the convo.Posted by MontgomeryI only stated that range because its what is average. Nothing to be ashamed of Monty. I understand that someone who is diagnosed as clinically retarded and also someone who lives in farmland might seem off to someone with an average IQ or above average IQ who is more adjusted to the mores of society. You being one of the most brainwashed people on this forum.Posted by VanishBut you... you understand, don't you?
He had an IQ of 70. Of course something is going to seem off to you people with an IQ of 90 to 100.
It's his history of violence that colors my opinion-- assaulting his
cousin... dousing the family cat in gasoline and throwing it in the
fire... not his low IQ.
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Wonder why he's always accused of things he never, ever did.....
Posted by VivaciousScorpioHe did?
... Kelssy Grammar lost his entire immediate family before he was 25. Incredibly unfortunate and the odds of this happening to anyone are pretty low. But it happened.
Are you sure about that?
SensitiveBlues~ July 9, I agree. Amanda Knox?
Posted by MontgomeryPosted by VanishI didn't even know about that, until you introduced it into the convo.Posted by MontgomeryI only stated that range because its what is average. Nothing to be ashamed of Monty. I understand that someone who is diagnosed as clinically retarded and also someone who lives in farmland might seem off to someone with an average IQ or above average IQ who is more adjusted to the mores of society. You being one of the most brainwashed people on this forum.Posted by VanishBut you... you understand, don't you?
He had an IQ of 70. Of course something is going to seem off to you people with an IQ of 90 to 100.
It's his history of violence that colors my opinion-- assaulting his
cousin... dousing the family cat in gasoline and throwing it in the
fire... not his low IQ.
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it coloured my opinion too. I've never seen a child or teenager do something horrible to an animal, and then they "change" ?? i mean its not even an accident. he admitted it, a true confession but he said he was truly truly sorry with tears.
Posted by VivaciousScorpioPosted by MontgomeryBecause some people are born unfortunate.Posted by VivaciousScorpioSo that would make a total of THREE false charges against this man.Posted by MontgomeryHe didn't assault his cousin... She was allegedly making things up about him. He just tried to threaten her to get her to stop.Posted by VanishI didn't even know about that, until you introduced it into the convo.Posted by MontgomeryI only stated that range because its what is average. Nothing to be ashamed of Monty. I understand that someone who is diagnosed as clinically retarded and also someone who lives in farmland might seem off to someone with an average IQ or above average IQ who is more adjusted to the mores of society. You being one of the most brainwashed people on this forum.Posted by VanishBut you... you understand, don't you?
He had an IQ of 70. Of course something is going to seem off to you people with an IQ of 90 to 100.
It's his history of violence that colors my opinion-- assaulting his
cousin... dousing the family cat in gasoline and throwing it in the
fire... not his low IQ.
Wonder why he's always accused of things he never, ever did.....
Kelssy Grammar lost his entire immediate family before he was 25. Incredibly unfortunate and the odds of this happening to anyone are pretty low. But it happened.
In Avery's case, there is clearly bad blood between him and his cousin and has been for years. She seems a vindictive sort and she married a vindictive man in the sheriff.
The Avery family in that town are unpopular, poor and not too bright. I can imagine quite easily people in school making up all kinds of nonsense about them growing up. If you can't envisage that, you don't remember school clearly.
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it is sad. and unfortunate. Maybe the universe gets people in other ways, from their past. Kind of, if you do something bad to someone it will come back at you in different ways.
just for the record, NOT about Kelsey Grammer's family, that is horrible.
you know what they say about Family curses......people in the family get the curse in many other ways.
i'm just saying, that even if he didnt do it.. Sometimes the universe works in ways that are mysterious. Maybe he did assault his cousins and did other bad things we aren't aware of....
if he is innocent for this crime, then he's innocent, but the universe wants payback for other crimes i think. that's all i can think of. I mean WHY would these things happen to him continually?
you know what they say about Family curses......people in the family get the curse in many other ways.
i'm just saying, that even if he didnt do it.. Sometimes the universe works in ways that are mysterious. Maybe he did assault his cousins and did other bad things we aren't aware of....
if he is innocent for this crime, then he's innocent, but the universe wants payback for other crimes i think. that's all i can think of. I mean WHY would these things happen to him continually?
and maybe his family line has curses? even if he didnt do any of the assaulting, then maybe the curses are from his long line of family who had done wrong? So he's paying for their crimes in full. Some individuals sacrifice alot for their family curses. That could be it.
this video shows alot of hate towards Katz. Calling Ken Katz a whore and all kinds of debauchery.
this video shows alot of hate towards Katz. Calling Ken Katz a whore and all kinds of debauchery.
Posted by Wynter
I was watching the Netflix series “Making a Murderer” and it seemed like a lot of information was probably not included in the series because I came away thinking that this guy was railroaded into prison for murder he didn't commit. After researching a bit, I'm thinking he probably could be guilty.
I had him pegged for a Gemini. He looks a lot like a Gem I once knew.
he is dominant gemini, that's why. trining his libra moon and saturn aquarius.
that saturn in aquarius (domicile) probably means if you did bad, your crimes are 10x worse.
libra moon, i'm surprised...libras are usually offended if they did a bad bad ugly thing.
here is another good link about Avery:
http://www.pajiba.com/netflix_movies_and_tv/is-steven-avery-guilty-evidence-making-a-murderer-didnt-present.php
if evidence concludes it's not his DNA then he didnt do it. DNA don't lie.
in this link, was Brendan making a confession that Avery touched him (sexual) when they were young.
Mom: That Steven made you do it. You know he made you do a lot of things.
Brendan: Ya, I told them that. I even told them about Steven touching me and that.
Mom: What do you mean touching you?
Brendan: He would grab me somewhere where I was uncomfortable.
Mom: Brendan I am your mother.
Brendan. Ya.
Mom: Why didn't you come to me? Why didn't you tell me? Was this all before this happened?
Brendan: What do you mean?
Mom: All before this happened, did he touch you before all this stuff happened to you.
Brendan: Ya.
Mom: Why didn't you come to me, because then he would have been gone then and this wouldn't have happened.
Brendan: Ya ..
Mom: Yes, and you would still be here with me.
Brendan: Yes, Well you know I did it.
Mom: Huh
Brendan. You know he always touched us and that.
Mom: I didn't think there. He used to horse around with you guys.
Brendan: Ya, but you remember he would always do stuff to Brian and that.
Mom: What do you mean.
Brendan: Well he would like fake pumping him
Mom: Goofing around
Brendan: Ya but, like that one time when he was going with what's her name Jessica .. sister. Mom: Teresa?
Brendan: Ya. That one day when she was over, Steven and Blaine and Brian and I was downstairs and Steven was touching her and that.
http://www.pajiba.com/netflix_movies_and_tv/is-steven-avery-guilty-evidence-making-a-murderer-didnt-present.php
if evidence concludes it's not his DNA then he didnt do it. DNA don't lie.
in this link, was Brendan making a confession that Avery touched him (sexual) when they were young.
Mom: That Steven made you do it. You know he made you do a lot of things.
Brendan: Ya, I told them that. I even told them about Steven touching me and that.
Mom: What do you mean touching you?
Brendan: He would grab me somewhere where I was uncomfortable.
Mom: Brendan I am your mother.
Brendan. Ya.
Mom: Why didn't you come to me? Why didn't you tell me? Was this all before this happened?
Brendan: What do you mean?
Mom: All before this happened, did he touch you before all this stuff happened to you.
Brendan: Ya.
Mom: Why didn't you come to me, because then he would have been gone then and this wouldn't have happened.
Brendan: Ya ..
Mom: Yes, and you would still be here with me.
Brendan: Yes, Well you know I did it.
Mom: Huh
Brendan. You know he always touched us and that.
Mom: I didn't think there. He used to horse around with you guys.
Brendan: Ya, but you remember he would always do stuff to Brian and that.
Mom: What do you mean.
Brendan: Well he would like fake pumping him
Mom: Goofing around
Brendan: Ya but, like that one time when he was going with what's her name Jessica .. sister. Mom: Teresa?
Brendan: Ya. That one day when she was over, Steven and Blaine and Brian and I was downstairs and Steven was touching her and that.
this is ridiculous!!!!
just because Brendan has a LOW I.Q. of 70, he can't say no?? the way it reads is that they are accusing his i.q. for not saying no.
quote from link: "The bits and pieces from the interview provided in the series make it seem like Brendan is kind of making it up as he goes along or is being fed answers. The 21-page transcript leaves very little doubt of Brendan's role. But again, Brendan's IQ is 70. He'd been molested by Steven in prior occasions. Basically, Steven forced him to do this, and Brendan wasn't bright enough to say no. He's also not bright enough to make up a story that matches much of the evidence, without being fed the answers"
http://www.pajiba.com/netflix_movies_and_tv/is-steven-avery-guilty-evidence-making-a-murderer-didnt-present.php
just because Brendan has a LOW I.Q. of 70, he can't say no?? the way it reads is that they are accusing his i.q. for not saying no.
quote from link: "The bits and pieces from the interview provided in the series make it seem like Brendan is kind of making it up as he goes along or is being fed answers. The 21-page transcript leaves very little doubt of Brendan's role. But again, Brendan's IQ is 70. He'd been molested by Steven in prior occasions. Basically, Steven forced him to do this, and Brendan wasn't bright enough to say no. He's also not bright enough to make up a story that matches much of the evidence, without being fed the answers"
http://www.pajiba.com/netflix_movies_and_tv/is-steven-avery-guilty-evidence-making-a-murderer-didnt-present.php
i mean, this is sounding like a horror film from the "Wrong turn" or something. where low i.q. individuals have incest and do horror stuff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrong_Turn
it's like life imitates art.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrong_Turn
it's like life imitates art.
That was just mean... true, but mean. 😄
Posted by Montgomery? what is mean?
That was just mean... true, but mean. 😄
also, i noticed Avery is dominant air, lots of gemini trine libra and aqua. so that would make him according to astrologers super intelligent.
*smh*
Posted by lisabethur8Oh the comment I made, then hid.Posted by Montgomery? what is mean?
That was just mean... true, but mean. 😄
also, i noticed Avery is dominant air, lots of gemini trine libra and aqua. so that would make him according to astrologers super intelligent.
*smh*
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anyway if anyone wants to see "Wrong turn" you'll see that this film and that of Chainsaw Massacre series is kind of a play off on incest.
Posted by lisabethur8that article is BS, I follow this case and could tell you what's true and what's not if you're interested, but please don't trust anything Kratz is saying.
here is another good link about Avery:
http://www.pajiba.com/netflix_movies_and_tv/is-steven-avery-guilty-evidence-making-a-murderer-didnt-present.php
if evidence concludes it's not his DNA then he didnt do it. DNA don't lie.
in this link, was Brendan making a confession that Avery touched him (sexual) when they were young.
Mom: That Steven made you do it. You know he made you do a lot of things.
Brendan: Ya, I told them that. I even told them about Steven touching me and that.
Mom: What do you mean touching you?
Brendan: He would grab me somewhere where I was uncomfortable.
Mom: Brendan I am your mother.
Brendan. Ya.
Mom: Why didn't you come to me? Why didn't you tell me? Was this all before this happened?
Brendan: What do you mean?
Mom: All before this happened, did he touch you before all this stuff happened to you.
Brendan: Ya.
Mom: Why didn't you come to me, because then he would have been gone then and this wouldn't have happened.
Brendan: Ya ..
Mom: Yes, and you would still be here with me.
Brendan: Yes, Well you know I did it.
Mom: Huh
Brendan. You know he always touched us and that.
Mom: I didn't think there. He used to horse around with you guys.
Brendan: Ya, but you remember he would always do stuff to Brian and that.
Mom: What do you mean.
Brendan: Well he would like fake pumping him
Mom: Goofing around
Brendan: Ya but, like that one time when he was going with what's her name Jessica .. sister. Mom: Teresa?
Brendan: Ya. That one day when she was over, Steven and Blaine and Brian and I was downstairs and Steven was touching her and that.
Posted by SensitiveBluesthat's a horrible thing to say, what is wrong with you
His family are disgusting inbred pedophilia and rapist's
But he still shouldn't be in jail
Posted by sagiluvbased on what?
I think he's guilty!
i just started watching it yesterday.
didn't finish the first episode, more probably because i wasn't in the mood. however, he gives me a bad vibe. like this guy is not totally guilty of everything. something is off about him.
i already know what to sort of expect from the series since I've heard it from friends who have seen it through. i need to continue to see if my view will change.
didn't finish the first episode, more probably because i wasn't in the mood. however, he gives me a bad vibe. like this guy is not totally guilty of everything. something is off about him.
i already know what to sort of expect from the series since I've heard it from friends who have seen it through. i need to continue to see if my view will change.
Posted by sagiluvwhat interviews are you referring to?Posted by vallkaI watched the recent interviews and to me, those were more neutral than the Netflix movie which was one sided. Have you seen the interviews yet—Posted by sagiluvbased on what?
I think he's guilty!click to expand
Posted by sagiluvoh you mean those.. those are just repeating what Kratz is saying, again, not true, if you have specific questions, I can answer.Posted by vallkaThey were shown on HLN & NBC recentlyPosted by sagiluvwhat interviews are you referring to?Posted by vallkaI watched the recent interviews and to me, those were more neutral than the Netflix movie which was one sided. Have you seen the interviews yet—Posted by sagiluvbased on what?
I think he's guilty!
Maybe you can watch them on YouTubeclick to expand
Posted by sagiluv1. you absolutely can plant bones, in fact it was proven by defense' expert that the bones were moved. The condition of the bones showed that the were practically cremated, to get to that condition the body would have to be burned in an enclosed environment, NOT an open bonfire, if an open fire was used, it would have to be burning for 10-12 hours or more which wasn't the case. The fact that the bone fragments were found in three different places, including a pelvic bone which was found a 1/4 mile away from his trailer also show that the remains were moved. It was confirmed by three family members that on November 3rd they have seen headlights in the salvage yard area at night and actually went to check it out as they were suspecting trespassers. As for dogs, he only had one, and according to Bobby Dassey testimony in court the dog was very calm, also dogs can be sedated etc.Posted by vallka1. You can't possibly plant bones in someone's land without them hearing or seeing you. He has dogs and they would of made noises.Posted by sagiluvoh you mean those.. those are just repeating what Kratz is saying, again, not true, if you have specific questions, I can answer.Posted by vallkaThey were shown on HLN & NBC recentlyPosted by sagiluvwhat interviews are you referring to?Posted by vallkaI watched the recent interviews and to me, those were more neutral than the Netflix movie which was one sided. Have you seen the interviews yet—Posted by sagiluvbased on what?
I think he's guilty!
Maybe you can watch them on YouTube
2. Blood in her car. Car in Stevens land, hidden.
3. Key in his room with his DNA
4. Bullet in his garage with her DNA
5. Last phone call to Steven.
6. Last person who saw her alive. Steven.
7. His 2 calls to her, blocked #s.
8. His family turned him in.
9. He changed his story several times.
10. Bones burned. He did have a fire the night of her murder.click to expand
2. Blood was most likely planted as was the car, the car was not hidden, in fact it was double parked and so obviously "disguised" that it actually DREW attention to itself, now you tell me who's stupid enough to do something like that, especially when there is a car crasher right there?
3. the key was definitely planted - if it's her key, wouldn't you think it would have HER DNA on it? it wasn't there, where are her house keys? her studio keys? on one of the photos she's holding her keys and it's at least three keys on one ring, this key was barely used, not a scratch on it and only contained Avery's DNA. it was found on the 7th search of his tiny residence by a cop who was NOT supposed to be there because of the conflict of interest since Avery was suing the county for $ 36 million. That cop was just deposed in the law suit two weeks prior and all of a sudden he's so lucky that no cop before him finds ANYTHING in this tiny bedroom but this guy is SO GOOD that he just finds this key right there on the floor. yeah right.
4. bullet.. ugh.. ok, lets start that the bullet just like the key was not found on the first search, in fact the bullet was found 4 months later, the bullet was damaged so they couldn't match it to his gun, only the caliber and model, her DNA on it - that's a whole other story, the technician at the lab accidentally contaminated the bullet with her own DNA, she was told by cops to "find victims DNA on this bullet" to which she admitted in court, she was supposed to find this test inconclusive as it was contaminated but she marked as positive, so we have only her word that it was there as she used up the whole sample for the test. so tell me, how did Teresa's DNA ended up on a bullet in a garage but NOWHERE else? if she was shot in that garage, wouldn't you think there would be blood? they broke up concrete floor, they found nothing. interesting huh?
5. what does this mean? what last phone call?
6. we don't know who saw her love last
7. he was suing the county, he got out of jail for a crime he didn't commit, he might have been extra cautious and didn't want his number known. he called her because she was running late, he wanted to know if she was still coming. I saw the call records, first call was dropped, second went to voice mail.
8. his family never turned him in
9. he didn't change his story several times, he did get confused at first, but it's fair since if you ask me what I did last tuesday, I won't remember and will most likely tell you something i might have done on wednesday or thursday, you try it, remember what you did a week ago or more.
10. he had a bonfire 2-3 times a month, that was Halloween, it was actually a tradition for that neck of the woods to have bonfires on Halloween
4. bullet.. ugh.. ok, lets start that the bullet just like the key was not found on the first search, in fact the bullet was found 4 months later, the bullet was damaged so they couldn't match it to his gun, only the caliber and model, her DNA on it - that's a whole other story, the technician at the lab accidentally contaminated the bullet with her own DNA, she was told by cops to "find victims DNA on this bullet" to which she admitted in court, she was supposed to find this test inconclusive as it was contaminated but she marked as positive, so we have only her word that it was there as she used up the whole sample for the test. so tell me, how did Teresa's DNA ended up on a bullet in a garage but NOWHERE else? if she was shot in that garage, wouldn't you think there would be blood? they broke up concrete floor, they found nothing. interesting huh?
5. what does this mean? what last phone call?
6. we don't know who saw her love last
7. he was suing the county, he got out of jail for a crime he didn't commit, he might have been extra cautious and didn't want his number known. he called her because she was running late, he wanted to know if she was still coming. I saw the call records, first call was dropped, second went to voice mail.
8. his family never turned him in
9. he didn't change his story several times, he did get confused at first, but it's fair since if you ask me what I did last tuesday, I won't remember and will most likely tell you something i might have done on wednesday or thursday, you try it, remember what you did a week ago or more.
10. he had a bonfire 2-3 times a month, that was Halloween, it was actually a tradition for that neck of the woods to have bonfires on Halloween
Posted by SensitiveBluestheir public record? whats there? where is pedophilia? where is inbreeding? something tells me there are a LOT of people born on July 9th and most of them are not murderers, and something else tells me you're a judgmental asshole.Posted by vallkaAhh their public records! What's wrong with me? I'm objective and look at facts!Posted by SensitiveBluesthat's a horrible thing to say, what is wrong with you
His family are disgusting inbred pedophilia and rapist's
But he still shouldn't be in jail
Dumbazz!click to expand
that "marker" was azzholllleeee
Posted by SensitiveBluesI am being objective, I know his brother was sexually abusing his daughters but for you to say the whole family is disgusting is wrong. They're uneducated and poor, but hey you know the saying - I am not what you think I am, You are what you think I am. Think about it.Posted by vallkaI'm being factitious kind of about July 9th birthdays!Posted by SensitiveBluestheir public record? whats there? where is pedophilia? where is inbreeding? something tells me there are a LOT of people born on July 9th and most of them are not murderers, and something else tells me you're a judgmental asshole.Posted by vallkaAhh their public records! What's wrong with me? I'm objective and look at facts!Posted by SensitiveBluesthat's a horrible thing to say, what is wrong with you
His family are disgusting inbred pedophilia and rapist's
But he still shouldn't be in jail
Dumbazz!
Check in Steven Avery's family records. Abuse, sexual, physical etc
I just think your emotionally charged and not really trying to be objective
Like I said Avery got a bad deal but his family is disgusting!
And yes they're inbred why else would their iqs be so lowclick to expand
Correction #8 a few people in his family ..Especially his brother in law who testified seemed to believe he was guilty. Same went for his ex who was interviewed and said he confessed to comiting the crime -to her.
I feel that he's guilty but time will tell...,
The vehicle proved to have his DNA , all his blood which many think it was planted but was proved by testi
his brother in law himself is a suspect, I wouldn't trust anything the guy says, his ex NEVER said he confessed to her, where are you getting your information? that's just not true.
I feel that he's guilty but time will tell...,
The vehicle proved to have his DNA , all his blood which many think it was planted but was proved by testi
his brother in law himself is a suspect, I wouldn't trust anything the guy says, his ex NEVER said he confessed to her, where are you getting your information? that's just not true.
Posted by sagiluvtest did not prove anything, the test is faulty as was proven by an expert, it's in the documentary and it's in the trial transcripts, FBI is not using the test for over 20 years not because it's unreliable. Bones were not all found there and no they could not have been moved by animals because they were found in barrels, one barrel was behind his sister's house (where by the way above mentioned brother in law lives) and the bigger bone was found in the quarry. no animals involved. I've done massive research as well as read trial transcripts which are available online now. As a san person I do realize that there is a chance he did do this as we just can't know, but on the contrary the evidence does not point to him.
Like I was saying
Blood found in her truck proved to be his,
Many think it was planted . Testing proved it wasn't.
Yes there's a lot of corruption here.
But all evidence points to him.
Bones were all found there. Only a couple bones were found across his land which could have been moved by any animal.
obviously there's gotta be more evidence to crack this case. Many people out there want to believe his innocent again and it comes down to the reward he wanted.
I can't wait to see the outcome.
Posted by SensitiveBluesI have done a LOT more research than you, trust me, calling me names doesn't prove anything, my conversation with you is over, because obviously you're 13.Posted by vallkaIts not only his brother! His uncle. Uncle by marriage. Cousins or nephewsPosted by SensitiveBluesI am being objective, I know his brother was sexually abusing his daughters but for you to say the whole family is disgusting is wrong. They're uneducated and poor, but hey you know the saying - I am not what you think I am, You are what you think I am. Think about it.Posted by vallkaI'm being factitious kind of about July 9th birthdays!Posted by SensitiveBluestheir public record? whats there? where is pedophilia? where is inbreeding? something tells me there are a LOT of people born on July 9th and most of them are not murderers, and something else tells me you're a judgmental asshole.Posted by vallkaAhh their public records! What's wrong with me? I'm objective and look at facts!Posted by SensitiveBluesthat's a horrible thing to say, what is wrong with you
His family are disgusting inbred pedophilia and rapist's
But he still shouldn't be in jail
Dumbazz!
Check in Steven Avery's family records. Abuse, sexual, physical etc
I just think your emotionally charged and not really trying to be objective
Like I said Avery got a bad deal but his family is disgusting!
And yes they're inbred why else would their iqs be so low
You're an idiot!
Do research first before talking to meclick to expand
Posted by sagiluvShe said it in her interview! I have a feeling you haven't seen all evidence provided.Posted by vallkahis brother in law himself is a suspect, I wouldn't trust anything the guy says, his ex NEVER said he confessed to her, where are you getting your information? that's just not true.
Correction #8 a few people in his family ..Especially his brother in law who testified seemed to believe he was guilty. Same went for his ex who was interviewed and said he confessed to comiting the crime -to her.
I feel that he's guilty but time will tell...,
The vehicle proved to have his DNA , all his blood which many think it was planted but was proved by testi
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yes I have, she never said he told her that he did it, re-watch the interview if you want, she said she THINKS he did it, but forgive me for not believing a woman who's a drunk with a criminal record that is a mile long. http://www.bustle.com/articles/132094-where-is-jodi-stachowski-now-steven-averys-ex-girlfriend-had-some-legal-troubles-of-her-own/image/641981
yes I have, she never said he told her that he did it, re-watch the interview if you want, she said she THINKS he did it, but forgive me for not believing a woman who's a drunk with a criminal record that is a mile long. http://www.bustle.com/articles/132094-where-is-jodi-stachowski-now-steven-averys-ex-girlfriend-had-some-legal-troubles-of-her-own/image/641981
Posted by sagiluvNancy Grace?? that's your source?? I have read the trial transcripts and all of the experts testimonies, as well as expert opinions outside of this case, Nancy Grace haven't even looked into the case, she is a loud mouth who caused two people to kill themselves, a TV personality with nothing to offer but her annoying loud voice. She's sticking up for Ken Kratz the DA who was sexting the sex abuse victims, abused his power and was disbarred for few months (should have been forever but that's wisconsin for you), he was accused of rape by another woman and was treated for drug addiction and sex addiction and THAT'S the DA who was prosecuting Avery and THAT"S the DA who's Nancy Grace is putting on a pedestal. And that's who you believe? there is no such thing as sweat DNA, every single thing she and he say is incorrect, instead of copy and paste the article, just think for yourself and do some research like I did.
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/nancy-grace-steven-avery-told-me-to-my-face-that-he-was-at-the-pit-w161667
I believe he did it.
Posted by sagiluvthat's correct, and I don't believe everything I see/read. I actually went into this thinking he was guilty, I always look at both sides in everything, that's why I research things until I'm nauseous, hopefully truth will come out.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3398450/He-s-monster-Former-fianc-e-Making-Murderer-s-Steven-Avery-breaks-silence-claim-not-innocent.html
You don't have to believe anything you see.
But anyone can lie.
The ex can lie
The cops can lie
The attorney can lie
Steven Averys family can lie
& Steven him self can lie
It's easy to lie.
The truth will be told some day.
My opinion is that These is a web of lies and Steve is not innocent this time around. But that's MY OPINION.
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