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Natal Sun in the 12th House š
A lot of this resonated with me, 12th house energies are so interesting to learn about...
this part::
Many natives who have their Sun in the twelfth house have a rather weak father, who is either absent or passive as a character. If the nativeās Sun has hard aspects, then the father might be a substance or alcohol addict. With a positively aspected Sun, the nativeās father is a very good person, but with a totally passive and unsuccessful role in life. He might be very compassionate towards everyone, yet unable to structure his own life and to be a strong parent figure for the native. In extreme cases, this natal placement of the Sun can prevent the native to know who his father is. This happens when the Sun is adversely linked with Pluto or with Neptune. Pluto can indicate early death of the father while Neptune will build a fog around him; this can create orphans or elsehow make the father unknown to the native.
@aerielview, was your father weak or passive? or absent in some way?
this all sounds so sad. but it can be also good, because a good father figure can also be passive they just turn out like stay at home fathers and be super passive and be dutiful and good to their wives.
most women dont want that though.
Many natives who have their Sun in the twelfth house have a rather weak father, who is either absent or passive as a character. If the nativeās Sun has hard aspects, then the father might be a substance or alcohol addict. With a positively aspected Sun, the nativeās father is a very good person, but with a totally passive and unsuccessful role in life. He might be very compassionate towards everyone, yet unable to structure his own life and to be a strong parent figure for the native. In extreme cases, this natal placement of the Sun can prevent the native to know who his father is. This happens when the Sun is adversely linked with Pluto or with Neptune. Pluto can indicate early death of the father while Neptune will build a fog around him; this can create orphans or elsehow make the father unknown to the native.
@aerielview, was your father weak or passive? or absent in some way?
this all sounds so sad. but it can be also good, because a good father figure can also be passive they just turn out like stay at home fathers and be super passive and be dutiful and good to their wives.
most women dont want that though.
A rather limited description considering the potential for both good and bad of anything 12th house.
madonna has this..12h house sun
she has had a difficult and distant relationship with her father..
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2002/04/08/madonna-shuts-door-on-her-father.html
Madonna's stepmom bitterly lambastes the songstress in a British news report for not helping her 70-year-old father, Tony Ciccone, who struggled to keep his business afloat and was on the verge of losing his home.
"She knew the position we were in because she had come to stay, and even brought her children," Madonna's stepmom, Joan Ciccone, said. "But we didn't have any help from Madonna, even though it would have been useful."
Tony, a former auto engineer, was too proud to ask the Material Girl for money - and she didn't offer.
Her father had purchased a small vineyard outside Detroit, but the business failed to flourish and debts mounted. Tony Ciccone was even driven to accepting government handouts, the newspaper Sunday People said.
"It has been difficult to make the vineyard work - and it's only breaking even now," Joan said.
Madonna has had a troubled, often distant relationship with her strict-Catholic father. She has said she was bitterly unhappy when he married Joan, the family housekeeper.
"I hated my father for a long time," the ambitious blonde once said.
A chilly silence existed for nearly 15 years between father and daughter, but the pair reunited over her brother Martin's battle with booze.
she has had a difficult and distant relationship with her father..
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2002/04/08/madonna-shuts-door-on-her-father.html
Madonna's stepmom bitterly lambastes the songstress in a British news report for not helping her 70-year-old father, Tony Ciccone, who struggled to keep his business afloat and was on the verge of losing his home.
"She knew the position we were in because she had come to stay, and even brought her children," Madonna's stepmom, Joan Ciccone, said. "But we didn't have any help from Madonna, even though it would have been useful."
Tony, a former auto engineer, was too proud to ask the Material Girl for money - and she didn't offer.
Her father had purchased a small vineyard outside Detroit, but the business failed to flourish and debts mounted. Tony Ciccone was even driven to accepting government handouts, the newspaper Sunday People said.
"It has been difficult to make the vineyard work - and it's only breaking even now," Joan said.
Madonna has had a troubled, often distant relationship with her strict-Catholic father. She has said she was bitterly unhappy when he married Joan, the family housekeeper.
"I hated my father for a long time," the ambitious blonde once said.
A chilly silence existed for nearly 15 years between father and daughter, but the pair reunited over her brother Martin's battle with booze.
Posted by lisabethur8I've been posting my house placements beginning from few important asteroids till the sun.
this part::
Many natives who have their Sun in the twelfth house have a rather weak father, who is either absent or passive as a character. If the nativeās Sun has hard aspects, then the father might be a substance or alcohol addict. With a positively aspected Sun, the nativeās father is a very good person, but with a totally passive and unsuccessful role in life. He might be very compassionate towards everyone, yet unable to structure his own life and to be a strong parent figure for the native. In extreme cases, this natal placement of the Sun can prevent the native to know who his father is. This happens when the Sun is adversely linked with Pluto or with Neptune. Pluto can indicate early death of the father while Neptune will build a fog around him; this can create orphans or elsehow make the father unknown to the native.
@aerielview, was your father weak or passive? or absent in some way?
this all sounds so sad. but it can be also good, because a good father figure can also be passive they just turn out like stay at home fathers and be super passive and be dutiful and good to their wives.
most women dont want that though.
They never talked about mother even when my moon is in 12th (i have an empty 4th)
But they talked a lot about father. Fourth times (on this thread and my 10th house placements)
Jupiter in 10th: Father is a strong character and very succesful
Uranus in 10th: Father is rather eccentric and bizzare
Neptune in 10th: Father is weak and can be a drug addict if Neptune is badly aspected
(You can check those in my previous threads if you're interested)
LOL
My father was in the military. Not a soldier as he was more in the administrative for career path. Hes quite controlling and demanding. I still remember for years he always arrived at home at the exact minute on monday-friday. All my life i've only seen him drunk once.
Overall for me hes a good father as he always there for me in person and also financially.
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