A genuine question (Page 2)

Yeah and I always thought Louis had Cancer rising, he probably has...

Similar to others, I use astrology to understand myself and the people in my life. While I do tend to associate negative feelings or thoughts with certain signs, I always give people the benefit of the doubt. I know there's so much more to them than their sun, moon, etc sign, and even then you can't forget about good ol' nature vs. nurture. I have yet to find that astrology has limited my word view; in fact, it has probably broadened it. I understand why someone did something that I perceived as stupid or immature. I love studying people, what motivates them to do the things they do.

I follow the transits and study return charts because they show me what to expect. But I really don't think following the transits has any affect on my behavior (i.e. knowing there's a bad aspect tomorrow and then consciously or subconsciously acting out those energies). I just read them, think, "oh, I guess Tuesday's gonna be a shitty day" and forget and move on. Really, transits help me make sense of everything in hindsight, especially if a negative event has occurred. Astrology helps me to structure the events that take place in my life so I can learn from them. I feel like the more I pay attention to events like eclipses, new and full moons, retrogrades, etc, the more I see myself making positive decisions that help me grow as a person. And who doesn't want to become a better person?

As for the natal chart... personally, any descriptions I read about mine are overwhelmingly accurate. I began reading them as an adult, too, so they didn't influence my behavior growing up/mold me into the aspects of my chart. Everyone has free will, of course, but I've found that when I work with my chart I become much more successful in my endeavors. Everything is easier when I stop trying to fight what comes naturally to me.

Basically, I just use astrology as a guide. It is FAR from an exact science, but so far it hasn't failed me so I continue to believe in it.

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Posted by guah
Ahh yes, the power of suggestion, dwellingonmove. A very powerful argument, one that scared me into changing the way I looked at astrology forever.

That is ridiculous, again, it's the ramblings of a mad man, guessing people's signs accurately every time is not "power of suggestion"...

At this point I'm with gryid2. look what I wrote today elsewhere:

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Posted by Soul
... He's a great comedian, and Virgo I'm pretty sure.

Last night I was guessing his signs. The first one was Virgo. Do you know why? Cause he was serious when he told people to go fuck ugly people. Then I suggested Sag for the fat belly and cause there was a gif with him telling how he cannot stop eating until it is too much. Then I suggested Cap cause he aims to look serious no matter what. Then I took Libra cause in a session with Lettermann I thought, "he feels obligued to be witty".

My only failure was Cancer. He has no Cancer placement.

But I let Aqua, Taurus and Gem out. See, he has no such placements.

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I'm not disagreeing with him. I'm telling him he should demonstrate that! I'm sure there are many scientists willing to do a study on astrology. I know Richard dawkins wanted to do one not long ago. 100% is a bold claim! That's all I'm saying. Until it's proven its really just anecdotal though...

Guah, why would I do that? A guy who wants nothing but to prove people wrong, give him the joy of saying WRONG and never knowing if he's lying? That's a deal breaker for me. You study astrology properly and you'll what I'm talking about.

Plus, is this whole debate about me proving you that it's real? or the fact that I simply KNOW it's real?

How do you know thats what I want man? You are judging me pretty hastily. I want objective proof of your claim is all, or else its just an anecdotal claim.

Posted by grayid2
You think life is amazing because you're super young, you're like a baby...just wait until things get serious.

pulling the age card ... 😕

he is talking clearly. he thinks clearly. he is cool and a gentleman. I don't know why you are so mad. Or was the reason cause they call you Denver?

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Posted by grayid2
I need to see you talk and think and be in a situation, basically. That's how subtle astrology is. Plus who's to say you won't lie about your date of birth?

So you want me to just believe that you can guess signs 100% of the time but you won't even give me the benefit of the doubt about what birth day I give you? Sheesh....

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I never said I wanted you to believe, I only said I KNOW it's accurate. And if you want to know, you study it. If you knew somebody that I knew and there was a way I could get your DOB for real(once I guessed it), then I would take a shot at it.

"Until it's proven its really just anecdotal though..."

I agree 5000% .

Posted by guah
How do you know thats what I want man? You are judging me pretty hastily. I want objective proof of your claim is all, or else its just an anecdotal claim.

You have been arguing and debating this for a very long time ; someone who does that instead of investing his time in actually studying the SUBJECT in question, is not a very honest person, or mentally vigilant person.

Yes Kodak, so do stupid conceited kids. fugg off.

and if it remains an anecdotal claim then your comments remain pretty irrelevant... just saying. I just want to see if you can guess my sign by my picture. I won't toss your abilities out if you can't but I'm curious to see! I know my rising sign as well and I know that sun sign and rising sign affect the way people look based off astrological beliefs... I really just want to see what you think! if you guess my sun or rising sign, it would give me something to think about.

Another assumption. You say I haven't studied it, yet I have... for years. As I said in my original post. Ask me something about astrology, i'll answer it to prove that I know about the subject.

Partial, what it IS, is a real thing. The fact that idiots can't see it means nothing.

The mechanisms are obviously very complex and beyond our understanding, but the effects are visible and very clear.
Astrology is a reality that changes our whole understanding of the universe, the origin of time, and life itself.
If you think gajillions of accurate astrology placements are coincidental, then you're a complete tard.

Wow. He assumes you are conceited. That's one hell of a way to live life... I wonder how many good people this guy has kept himself from meeting with this kind of behavior...

Yes, I too was obsessed. It's lost its steam a bit on me, but I do check back on it every so often out of boredom and leftover fascination.

I liked astrology, because it helped me to realize perspectives that were very different from my own. Rather than checking a list of symptoms and writing people off as having personality disorders if they met the criteria, astrology actually gives people a way to label, define, and accept nuances between personality types. They literally create subcategories and definitions of the personality-- Your emotions, passions, ways to communicate, etc., that coalesces into a unique individual, particularly an individual who may not respond to, feel, and see the world the same way you do. It is one of the oldest analytical tools studying human behavior. This isn't to say it is scientifically accurate, but it is interesting. Especially for people like me who love to analyze data.

Further, it is the acknowledgement of another person's unique differences as valuable to their individual life purpose that makes it preferable to modern western psychology, in a sense, where in the latter's definition if you don't meet a nuclear definition of "normal," you are considered a sick person.

I just like that it is OK with people being different, and further tries to give people (like myself) a tool with which to illuminate narrow and ignorant definitions of how the world functions from a human perspective.

Posted by guah
and if it remains an anecdotal claim then your comments remain pretty irrelevant... just saying. I just want to see if you can guess my sign by my picture. I won't toss your abilities out if you can't but I'm curious to see! I know my rising sign as well and I know that sun sign and rising sign affect the way people look based off astrological beliefs... I really just want to see what you think! if you guess my sun or rising sign, it would give me something to think about.

When does evidence turn into an anecdote?

I have a few ideas based on your pic, but nothing I can affirm with confidence, like I said I need to see you interact, or move, think, talk. And maybe see WHAT you talk about naturally.
But like I said, the goal is not that I prove it to you, because there's no guarantee for me. I need to be able to see the persons dob afterwoods otherwise you could cheat.


So, you studied astro, and yet you didn't find it to be true? Why not?

Posted by grayid2
Partial, what it IS, is a real thing. The fact that idiots can't see it means nothing.

The mechanisms are obviously very complex and beyond our understanding, but the effects are visible and very clear.
Astrology is a reality that changes our whole understanding of the universe, the origin of time, and life itself.
If you think gajillions of accurate astrology placements are coincidental, then you're a complete tard.

Correlation is not proof of causation 🙂 and fyi, I made this thread to contemplate a problem by way of debate. Which another user gave me a very logical response to. And now I have something new to think about. Now I'm just curious to see you guess my sign.

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Posted by guah
and if it remains an anecdotal claim then your comments remain pretty irrelevant... just saying. I just want to see if you can guess my sign by my picture. I won't toss your abilities out if you can't but I'm curious to see! I know my rising sign as well and I know that sun sign and rising sign affect the way people look based off astrological beliefs... I really just want to see what you think! if you guess my sun or rising sign, it would give me something to think about.

When does evidence turn into an anecdote?

I have a few ideas based on your pic, but nothing I can affirm with confidence, like I said I need to see you interact, or move, think, talk. And maybe see WHAT you talk about naturally.
But like I said, the goal is not that I prove it to you, because there's no guarantee for me. I need to be able to see the persons dob afterwoods otherwise you could cheat.


So, you studied astro, and yet you didn't find it to be true? Why not?

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You misunderstand what I mean by anecdote my friend. Your "evidence" is anecdotal, because it's just something you claim you can do and have done. That pretty much defines the word anecdote so... not much else to say about it.

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Posted by grayid2
Partial, what it IS, is a real thing. The fact that idiots can't see it means nothing.

The mechanisms are obviously very complex and beyond our understanding, but the effects are visible and very clear.
Astrology is a reality that changes our whole understanding of the universe, the origin of time, and life itself.
If you think gajillions of accurate astrology placements are coincidental, then you're a complete tard.

i dont think gajillions is a number


but okay, i'll accept that there a lot of times astrology provides description one could accept as accurate.

do you accept all the times it isn't? have you ever astrology not fit perfectly for you?

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The only times it hasnt proven to be fully accurate, were times when I didn't know all the facts, or I didnt know the person well, or other things that I could have affirmed beforehand could change the outcome.

Guah, if I go and see Randy or wtv his name is, and guess accurately, then it's no longer an anecdote. Yet I guess the same as I usually do. It's just a matter of perception, it's a negative spin on the facts that I find.

Oh and to answer your question, I did find it to be true for a long time. But then, I took a psychology course and realized the many possible other explanations as to why I found it to be true. I decided to live my life under new philosophies, which as I explained earlier DEFINITELY doesn't make me better than anyone. And I respect your beliefs man. So chill out!

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Posted by grayid2
Partial, what it IS, is a real thing. The fact that idiots can't see it means nothing.

The mechanisms are obviously very complex and beyond our understanding, but the effects are visible and very clear.
Astrology is a reality that changes our whole understanding of the universe, the origin of time, and life itself.
If you think gajillions of accurate astrology placements are coincidental, then you're a complete tard.

Correlation is not proof of causation 🙂 and fyi, I made this thread to contemplate a problem by way of debate. Which another user gave me a very logical response to. And now I have something new to think about. Now I'm just curious to see you guess my sign.

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Of course it's proof of correlation! If you go in the sun and your skin turns dark, you can affirm it's the reason behind it. Nobody has ever asked a scientist if it's ok to assume that the sun turns your skin dark.
Why are you repeating the same thing about guessing your sign? I gave you a response, wake up!

I don't want you or need you to respect my beliefs, it's not about me, and it's not about beliefs !

Posted by grayid2
Guah, if I go and see Randy or wtv his name is, and guess accurately, then it's no longer an anecdote. Yet I guess the same as I usually do. It's just a matter of perception, it's a negative spin on the facts that I find.

To YOU its no longer an anecdote. To the people you tell about it, its still an anecdote. Do you fully understand the meaning of the word? No offense meant by that, because it is commonly confused to mean other things. Hell I just learned the word about a month ago to be honest with you! But none the less it still retains its meaning. And evidence is defined as follows: Evidence -the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. Unfortunately there are many confounded variables that could explain guessing someones sign. Exempting it from being true or valid, and exiling it from the realm of evidence, by definition.

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Posted by guah

Posted by grayid2
Partial, what it IS, is a real thing. The fact that idiots can't see it means nothing.

The mechanisms are obviously very complex and beyond our understanding, but the effects are visible and very clear.
Astrology is a reality that changes our whole understanding of the universe, the origin of time, and life itself.
If you think gajillions of accurate astrology placements are coincidental, then you're a complete tard.

Correlation is not proof of causation 🙂 and fyi, I made this thread to contemplate a problem by way of debate. Which another user gave me a very logical response to. And now I have something new to think about. Now I'm just curious to see you guess my sign.

Of course it's proof of correlation! If you go in the sun and your skin turns dark, you can affirm it's the reason behind it. Nobody has ever asked a scientist if it's ok to assume that the sun turns your skin dark.
Why are you repeating the same thing about guessing your sign? I gave you a response, wake up!

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Then thats an affirmation, not a fact. Therefore, it's still not evidence.

Yes! Take a guess man. Hell just for fun. I will tell you what my placements are after you do! Lets remove the hostility for god sakes. It's pointless. At this point now I'm genuinely just curious.

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To YOU its no longer an anecdote.

No, if you guess accurately, it's not an anecdote, it's either magic or fact. I've known what an anecdote is for a very long time, it's simply a little story.

Posted by esortelracs
Yes, I too was obsessed. It's lost its steam a bit on me, but I do check back on it every so often out of boredom and leftover fascination.

I liked astrology, because it helped me to realize perspectives that were very different from my own. Rather than checking a list of symptoms and writing people off as having personality disorders if they met the criteria, astrology actually gives people a way to label, define, and accept nuances between personality types. They literally create subcategories and definitions of the personality-- Your emotions, passions, ways to communicate, etc., that coalesces into a unique individual, particularly an individual who may not respond to, feel, and see the world the same way you do. It is one of the oldest analytical tools studying human behavior. This isn't to say it is scientifically accurate, but it is interesting. Especially for people like me who love to analyze data.

Further, it is the acknowledgement of another person's unique differences as valuable to their individual life purpose that makes it preferable to modern western psychology, in a sense, where in the latter's definition if you don't meet a nuclear definition of "normal," you are considered a sick person.

I just like that it is OK with people being different, and further tries to give people (like myself) a tool with which to illuminate narrow and ignorant definitions of how the world functions from a human perspective.

Very good point! I loved that about it as well. And I am very skeptical of some personality disorders... Keyword SOME. But I mean compulsive shopping disorder? Come on.... 😆 ADHD is one im skeptical of as well.

Lol Partial I will not answer you if you treat me like that. 🙂 fugg off.

"Then thats an affirmation, not a fact. Therefore, it's still not evidence."
I don't care. It's good enough. if you can SEE the sun turn your skin dark, and EVERYONE can see it, who cares what it's called, it's a causation! or at least there's a link between the 2 who cares what you call it? The point is to know whether there's a link or not.

Libra was good. considerate.
the eyes, dont' they carry Pisces's dreams?
for the obsession part at early age we need scorp and sag part.
the sag part for missionary activities.

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Posted by esortelracs
Yes, I too was obsessed. It's lost its steam a bit on me, but I do check back on it every so often out of boredom and leftover fascination.

I liked astrology, because it helped me to realize perspectives that were very different from my own. Rather than checking a list of symptoms and writing people off as having personality disorders if they met the criteria, astrology actually gives people a way to label, define, and accept nuances between personality types. They literally create subcategories and definitions of the personality-- Your emotions, passions, ways to communicate, etc., that coalesces into a unique individual, particularly an individual who may not respond to, feel, and see the world the same way you do. It is one of the oldest analytical tools studying human behavior. This isn't to say it is scientifically accurate, but it is interesting. Especially for people like me who love to analyze data.

Further, it is the acknowledgement of another person's unique differences as valuable to their individual life purpose that makes it preferable to modern western psychology, in a sense, where in the latter's definition if you don't meet a nuclear definition of "normal," you are considered a sick person.

I just like that it is OK with people being different, and further tries to give people (like myself) a tool with which to illuminate narrow and ignorant definitions of how the world functions from a human perspective.

Very good point! I loved that about it as well. And I am very skeptical of some personality disorders... Keyword SOME. But I mean compulsive shopping disorder? Come on.... 😆 ADHD is one im skeptical of as well.

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Look man are you going to guess my sign or not? I've got stuff to do... Also, here is the definition of anecdotal evidence."reports or observations of usually unscientific observers". Guessing peoples sign does not qualify as scientific. It in no way follows all the steps of the scientific method. And TO YOU it may be a "fact" but to the people you TELL about it, it is anecdotal evidence because it's a report or observation by you with no evidence. Thats the whole point you are missing.

Posted by DwellingOnMove
Libra was good. considerate.
the eyes, dont' they carry Pisces's dreams?
for the obsession part at early age we need scorp and sag part.
the sag part for missionary activities.

Sag rising pisces sun! I'm impressed!

Posted by guah
Yes! Take a guess man. Hell just for fun. I will tell you what my placements are after you do! Lets remove the hostility for god sakes. It's pointless. At this point now I'm genuinely just curious.

For the 5th time, I m not exagerating, 5th time now. It's not enough. If this is how you proceed, I understand why you don't GET astrology. You're an amateur.
You have Leonine qualities but the kind of smile and depth you have...maybe not. More like Pisces. or Libra, you're a cool dude base don your photo so Gemini. or maybe just Pisces. I need to see you interact. Josh Brolin I watched several minutes of him in No Country, I studied his face, his movements, how he talks to others, his attitude, I saw humility, but a natural authority. All these things led me to the conclusion. Just your photo and the fact that you doubt astrology is not enough.

And I lied about my birthday on my profile too, so I know you guessed. Truly, I am impressed!

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Posted by guah
Yes! Take a guess man. Hell just for fun. I will tell you what my placements are after you do! Lets remove the hostility for god sakes. It's pointless. At this point now I'm genuinely just curious.

For the 5th time, I m not exagerating, 5th time now. It's not enough. If this is how you proceed, I understand why you don't GET astrology. You're an amateur.
You have Leonine qualities but the kind of smile and depth you have...maybe not. More like Pisces. or Libra, you're a cool dude base don your photo so Gemini. or maybe just Pisces. I need to see you interact. Josh Brolin I watched several minutes of him in No Country, I studied his face, his movements, how he talks to others, his attitude, I saw humility, but a natural authority. All these things led me to the conclusion. Just your photo and the fact that you doubt astrology is not enough.

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And since that comment was typed a minute after I admitted what my sign was, and judging by the amount of characters, I will say I am impressed by you as well! Since i'm pretty doubtful that you could have read my admittance of what my sign was and typed all that in one minute. Also, the leo thing was a good guess because I have a leo in mars. So see? I wasn't trying to prove you wrong.

I'm so happy to hear this. omg!

As I said I made this thread for one reason, to contemplate by debate. And the question I had was already answered, giving me more to think about. This guessing my sign business was for fun and now has given me more than I thought it would to think about!

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Posted by DwellingOnMove
Libra was good. considerate.
the eyes, dont' they carry Pisces's dreams?
for the obsession part at early age we need scorp and sag part.
the sag part for missionary activities.

Sag rising pisces sun! I'm impressed!

LMAO HEY I HAVE THOSE SAME PLACEMENTS


guess I'm not a good astrologer after all, I can't even recognize my astro twins.


I wonder what'll become of all the people I've given advice to over the years based on erroneous assumptions?


duh urrrrrr

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hahahah thats cool man! Are you around my same age? I was born in 1995. March 4th.

"LMAO HEY I HAVE THOSE SAME PLACEMENTS"

what a funny coincidence. 😄

Is universe sending us signs by this thread? LOL

Well, great, but it's risky. 5 personal planets and 12 signs, and not all the signs are easily guessable. Like Taurus, I often say : idk. They're generally Taurus when I don't know, or their Mercury is different from their sun so it complicates things.
So, what, after this, you're not more convinced? What's going on man?

Posted by grayid2
Well, great, but it's risky. 5 personal planets and 12 signs, and not all the signs are easily guessable. Like Taurus, I often say : idk. They're generally Taurus when I don't know, or their Mercury is different from their sun so it complicates things.
So, what, after this, you're not more convinced? What's going on man?

I would be pretty biased if I said it didn't say something that you and another gentlemen could guess my sun sign and some influences by my picture alone. It definitely has changed my perspective. But I will say that I still prefer to live my life without thinking about astrology, it just overwhelms me and I feel I could spend the energy on other things, like getting better at guitar, getting straight A's in my classes etc. So I'll continue to try and live in the moment, thinking less about things that aren't prominent to what I'm doing. But thats based off my personal philosophies, not whats happened here today. I will say i'm more convinced, yes. But it probably won't change how I live, if I'm honest.

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Posted by DwellingOnMove
Libra was good. considerate.
the eyes, dont' they carry Pisces's dreams?
for the obsession part at early age we need scorp and sag part.
the sag part for missionary activities.

Sag rising pisces sun! I'm impressed!

LMAO HEY I HAVE THOSE SAME PLACEMENTS


guess I'm not a good astrologer after all, I can't even recognize my astro twins.


I wonder what'll become of all the people I've given advice to over the years based on erroneous assumptions?


duh urrrrrr

hahahah thats cool man! Are you around my same age? I was born in 1995. March 4th.

I'm 3 years your elder. I'm Feb 24 of 92

what is your moon sign? that will explain the differences in our approach. im hades moon in scorpio, thats what makes me vitriolic

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Aries moon! 🙂

Posted by e11e
dammit!

i wanted to guess pisces with an aries moon.

haha I have an aries moon. What the hell is going on right now?

Now I'm really blown away. Lmfao.

"it's risky. 5 personal planets and 12 signs"

Let us take Ac, sun, merc, mars, ven.
we need to have a better hit quotes than (1- (11/12)^6) or so.

March 4th, 1995. Born at 1:20 in the morning, in Salt Lake City Utah. If anyones skeptical of whether or not i'm telling the truth about my placements.

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I would be pretty biased if I said it didn't say something that you and another gentlemen could guess my sun sign and some infl....ies, not whats happened here today. I will say i'm more convinced, yes. But it probably won't change how I live, if I'm honest.

Ok. No problem. You're reacting perfectly logically, you still dont have proof but you're impressed, and you want to focus on your life and leave astro alone, ok, I get it. Maybe there's a religious element to it too, maybe we're not supposed to know our destiny. I think like that sometimes.
So all in all, positive experience and discussion. We really saved the plane from crashing. Phew...what a debate hey🙂

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Posted by e11e
dammit!

i wanted to guess pisces with an aries moon.

haha I have an aries moon. What the hell is going on right now?

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I'm not sure if it is just another confusion but I got the impression that "Aries anywhere" makes (in attempt to baby face) at least a big round forehead. Look, Rihanna hat two Aries placements.

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Posted by guah
March 4th, 1995. Born at 1:20 in the morning, in Salt Lake City Utah. If anyones skeptical of whether or not i'm telling the truth about my placements.

i grew up in cache valley lol my high school years.


fuck utah


are you mormon? or ex mormon?

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Hell no man, I moved here from colorado. If I'm anything, I'm a zen buddhist. But not even really that.