Fire = Confidence?
Fire = Confidence?
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My chart is mostly water and air. I lack Fire. Basically have nothing.
I recently did an astrology report based off of my chart and it told me I lacked fire and then said this:
"Your inner self-confidence may be lacking, and you could try to overcome this by defensive aggressiveness. You probably wish you had more of the self-assurance your fiery acquaintances have."
I must have missed that self-confidence was attributed with the element fire, but I guess it makes some sense when I really think of the fire signs and people I know who have a lot of fire in their chart.
My question/curiosity is, just because a person lacks fire in their chart, can this hold true? For me I could say yes and no. I am sure I can be more self-confident, but at the same time other parts of my chart help me to be a sure-of-myself type person.
Thoughts??
I recently did an astrology report based off of my chart and it told me I lacked fire and then said this:
"Your inner self-confidence may be lacking, and you could try to overcome this by defensive aggressiveness. You probably wish you had more of the self-assurance your fiery acquaintances have."
I must have missed that self-confidence was attributed with the element fire, but I guess it makes some sense when I really think of the fire signs and people I know who have a lot of fire in their chart.
My question/curiosity is, just because a person lacks fire in their chart, can this hold true? For me I could say yes and no. I am sure I can be more self-confident, but at the same time other parts of my chart help me to be a sure-of-myself type person.
Thoughts??
Posted by tiziani
Fire is intuition, so if someone is feeling defensive at times it could be the feeling of lacking a "feel" or grip on the situation at hand.
this makes complete sense, when you put it that way. I do tend to get defensive, and it could be why.
I just thought water was intuition? Maybe in another sense
yep, turns out I have mercury, saturn and uranus all in the 5th house. How is that different from having a different sign in each planet of your chart?? so confusing. Still learning!
If it wasn't for my leo rising, I don't think I will have the self-confidence that I have right now lol
I just know what I have and I'm not afraid to flaunt it. I know what I want and I'm not afraid to get it.
😉
I just know what I have and I'm not afraid to flaunt it. I know what I want and I'm not afraid to get it.
😉
Perhaps the word impulsivity suits fire better than confidence. Impulsivity may sometimes be perceived as courage. Courageous people often get the confidence label.
Arrogance is forced (wannabe) confidence or unshakable attitude that you are better and more important than whoever else (some shadow lies between you and You). It may be fire, air, water or earth.
Perception sometimes. Sometimes the truth. The "arrogant" man does not have to know for himself. He may perceive oneself certain way also apart of what is real. It is scary just like labyrinth.
who cares??!! i love confidence and arrogance. lmao!!! 😆
if you all don't like that, go find someone else. Easy peasy!!
if you all don't like that, go find someone else. Easy peasy!!
"Sometimes what we see as 'arrogant' are our own projections of our insecurities."
Yes.
Yes.
"Nothing is more attractive to me, personally, than a man who isn't afraid of himself."
Even better.
Even better.
Posted by e11e
Nothing is more attractive to me, personally, than a man who isn't afraid of himself.
+110000000000
I only have one fire sign and I'm not generally a confident person.
Yet confident enough to admit it even in IRL ... Go figure lol
Posted by e11e
Jupiter and how it's aspected = Confidence
Jupiter in Libra.
??Square Sun, Uranus and Neptune in Cap.
??Square Mars in Cancer.
??Trine Saturn in Aquairus.
Confidence? Arrogance? Insanity? Any ideas? 😄
You have just supported my opinion.
Posted by SirHornsPosted by e11e
Jupiter and how it's aspected = Confidence
Jupiter in Libra.
??Square Sun, Uranus and Neptune in Cap.
??Square Mars in Cancer.
??Trine Saturn in Aquairus.
Confidence? Arrogance? Insanity? Any ideas? 😄click to expand
Yes, these squares are weakening.
My father and I have both Saturn in Aquarius. While I try and try to compensate the inferiority complex it gives me regarding scientific knowledge, my father has already thrown in the towel. He has an allergy against educated people. With his Venus in Pisces and Mars in Virgo he prefers to please the rest which is more than 80% of the society. His confidence, he has it from his Sun and Merc in Aries.
Posted by DwellingOnMovePosted by SirHornsPosted by e11e
Jupiter and how it's aspected = Confidence
Jupiter in Libra.
??Square Sun, Uranus and Neptune in Cap.
??Square Mars in Cancer.
??Trine Saturn in Aquairus.
Confidence? Arrogance? Insanity? Any ideas? 😄
Yes, these squares are weakening.
My father and I have both Saturn in Aquarius. While I try and try to compensate the inferiority complex it gives me regarding scientific knowledge, my father has already thrown in the towel. He has an allergy against educated people. With his Venus in Pisces and Mars in Virgo he prefers to please the rest which is more than 80% of the society. His confidence, he has it from his Sun and Merc in Aries.click to expand
it might be his upbringing, or his NEED to please society to get UP in society too. i dont believe it's those signs, as many signs under every sun has people pleasing skills.
people pleasing is a trait so they can get UP in society for the most part (there's a lot of truth to this), so that others will feel that temporary happiness.
I read on Psychology that in general "Truth hurts". No one really wants to hear it because it's better to live in a world of delusion, or idealism.
but then, there's that dichotomy that if you don't give some idealistic/delusions, you'll Always stand apart and alone.
and people don't like to be loners for the most part.
Isolation is a pisces trait, they are not afraid to be alone, because in being alone and apart from everyone, they recharge.
the trait is more fire/air in general, to be WITH people, because they are energized by the company of others.
water/earth are NOT afraid of being alone and/or standing apart from the rest of society. OUTCASTS.
the trait is more fire/air in general, to be WITH people, because they are energized by the company of others.
water/earth are NOT afraid of being alone and/or standing apart from the rest of society. OUTCASTS.
Posted by e11e
being an outcast for the sake of being an outcast is really being the same as the rest.
an outcast usually doesn't even know they are one 😛
yes they DO know they are one.
if they are NOT in any group clique. and they've been through school being outcast and don't join with the crowd.
it's NOT that hard to decipher.
you cannot fake it. especially if you've been an outcast since childhood.
it's something that CANNOT be mimicked.
because your nature is as Always the way it was since birth.
it's something that CANNOT be mimicked.
because your nature is as Always the way it was since birth.
Posted by e11e
When my virgo son was younger, I was talked to by many of his teachers about his 'arrogance'.
He is all earth and fire. Moon in sag, venus in leo.....virgo merc in retrograde.
I never seen it in him....as he was very critical of himself from what I observed. However, he would put a ton of energy into a topic or homework to help him gain the 'confidence' to speak to it intelligently and answer questions......he also loved to debate with others, it's how he learns.
because of all that fire and earth stubborness.....he was often perceived as 'arrogant'.
That experience has made me see things from a different perspective.
Sometimes what we see as 'arrogant' are our own projections of our insecurities.
History teacher calling Virgo Dad: "Damnata is unruly. I dislike that"
Virgo Dad: "I know. I taught her that" *slams phone*
That woman hated me for speaking my mind and boy was I opinionated as fuck back then.
This being said, I don't see it as confidence necessarily.
It circles a lot around impulse. And water and fire are both reactionary elements. Different ways.
Fire placements make one more extraverted though. And the downside is that I haven't met one fire dominant person who wasn't a bit..let's go with gullible. We really are liable to take everything as face value and just share our enthusiasm. Meanwhile, we are oblivious to anyone's agenda and it does come back to bite us in the ass.
But then, to sum up fire placements think of the ending of gone with the wind.
"After all, tomorrow is another day."
There always is a new tomorrow for fire placements, a new oportunity, a different way out there, a new experience. It's an infinite number of combinations in kaleidoscopes and we just raise them and stare at the sun through them.
It circles a lot around impulse. And water and fire are both reactionary elements. Different ways.
Fire placements make one more extraverted though. And the downside is that I haven't met one fire dominant person who wasn't a bit..let's go with gullible. We really are liable to take everything as face value and just share our enthusiasm. Meanwhile, we are oblivious to anyone's agenda and it does come back to bite us in the ass.
But then, to sum up fire placements think of the ending of gone with the wind.
"After all, tomorrow is another day."
There always is a new tomorrow for fire placements, a new oportunity, a different way out there, a new experience. It's an infinite number of combinations in kaleidoscopes and we just raise them and stare at the sun through them.
Posted by Damnata
It's an infinite number of combinations in kaleidoscopes and we just raise them and stare at the sun through them.
Is that really safe though? You might want to research that a bit before you do that.
My Leo Moon definitely makes me a tad gullible. I often attract people who want to take advantage of my generosity. Fire as intuition, in person and on the fly, makes sense though. Fire signs are the most impulsive and leadership oriented (?), so they would definitely need to be somewhat intuitive about circumstances for that to work in a lot of contexts, though perhaps its not intuition about peoples' psychological states like water.
Having more of a risk-taking nature in general, which Sag/Leo/Aries all seem to have, would seem to require greater confidence and intuition.
Posted by TaurusLovesScorpioPosted by Damnata
It's an infinite number of combinations in kaleidoscopes and we just raise them and stare at the sun through them.
Is that really safe though? You might want to research that a bit before you do that.click to expand
Fire suns I know..just walk into a room and respond to the vibe of everyone in it..primal energy.
Water suns..they zero in on one channel of communication with one person they hit it off/connect with. More specialised.
Water suns..they zero in on one channel of communication with one person they hit it off/connect with. More specialised.
Posted by DamnataPosted by TaurusLovesScorpioPosted by Damnata
It's an infinite number of combinations in kaleidoscopes and we just raise them and stare at the sun through them.
Is that really safe though? You might want to research that a bit before you do that.
click to expand
Hahahhaha.....Monkey see/monkey do, Aries Moon?
she's observing Moon, I thought.
Posted by beautifuldiasterPosted by aNEWdayPosted by tiziani
If you have mercury, Uranus and saturn in your 5th house than they are all probably the same sign, right?
click to expand
Almost, merc and saturn are in scorp. Uranus in Sag.. must have missed that as part of fire ha
Going to look into that, thanks for the tip!
Posted by exxtasyx
I think Fire = desperation, attention seeking and will manipulate and do whatever when not in the spotlight.
Confidence comes from Air, in my opinion. They don't even compete with anyone, they just go about their things and do amazing and don't even notice the envy from others.
And this is coming from someone ruled by Water and FIRE.
that is very big of you to say, could be your water parts speaking 🙂
i do agree that air has a quiet confidence about them. In my opinion its due to their confidence in their KNOWLEDGE. Or something like that.
I do, however, think some aqua women and even men i've met, come across as arrogant. And lets not forget about Kanye haha!
@Rabbit and TLS
Any of you familliar with the concept of metaphors? You hold that instrument towards the light. That's why I used the word "Sun". I didn't even check for shadows when I posted that photo because I was in awe of that huge kaleidoscope. Had a small one when I was little and I would carry it everywhere.
Moving on, not even addressing TLS's "monkey see, monkey do" idiotic comment. You go, Leo Moon. Dazzle me with your brilliance.
Rabbit..don't even think of comparing the american education system to the romanian one. Just..don't. Yes, we are familliar with the Sun. Still waiting for Americans to learn the math we do in highschool cuz they only do that in college. Learning different languages while they're at it too. On top of many, many other things. I'm not bragging at all (sarcasm, ofc I am..the education system is one of the few things that work in this country)
as for your "I know you guys don't get a lot of Sun there.."..I say cheers and touch?, kind sir.
Any of you familliar with the concept of metaphors? You hold that instrument towards the light. That's why I used the word "Sun". I didn't even check for shadows when I posted that photo because I was in awe of that huge kaleidoscope. Had a small one when I was little and I would carry it everywhere.
Moving on, not even addressing TLS's "monkey see, monkey do" idiotic comment. You go, Leo Moon. Dazzle me with your brilliance.
Rabbit..don't even think of comparing the american education system to the romanian one. Just..don't. Yes, we are familliar with the Sun. Still waiting for Americans to learn the math we do in highschool cuz they only do that in college. Learning different languages while they're at it too. On top of many, many other things. I'm not bragging at all (sarcasm, ofc I am..the education system is one of the few things that work in this country)
as for your "I know you guys don't get a lot of Sun there.."..I say cheers and touch?, kind sir.
*I think I'm acting a bit groggy/defensive. Just woke up.
Hope I haven't upset anyone with that post. I just read it again and it sounded defensive to me.
Anyway, what I said stands. 😄
Hope I haven't upset anyone with that post. I just read it again and it sounded defensive to me.
Anyway, what I said stands. 😄
Fire just equal loudness
Perhaps that can be conceived as confidence
But it really just means fire placements are loud
:/
Perhaps that can be conceived as confidence
But it really just means fire placements are loud
:/
Posted by AfternoonDelights22
Fire just equal loudness
Perhaps that can be conceived as confidence
But it really just means fire placements are loud
:/
yeah, i don't see it as = confidence
however..dogs that don't bark..don't get fed.
I realize this is the Astrology forum, however, this thread would lead some to believe that one day you looked up your chart and decided you are either a confident person or not a confident person.
Nope...this is something that comes from PARENTS and upbringing from the day you arrived into this world....real life stuff.
If you weren't raised to have confidence and received reassurance by good parents, life experience might be able teach you along the way. Question is..will you learn from it or defy it?
Nope...this is something that comes from PARENTS and upbringing from the day you arrived into this world....real life stuff.
If you weren't raised to have confidence and received reassurance by good parents, life experience might be able teach you along the way. Question is..will you learn from it or defy it?
Posted by lisabethur8
Isolation is a pisces trait, they are not afraid to be alone, because in being alone and apart from everyone, they recharge.
the trait is more fire/air in general, to be WITH people, because they are energized by the company of others.
water/earth are NOT afraid of being alone and/or standing apart from the rest of society. OUTCASTS.
I didn't realize independent meant "OUTCASTS" (?) I don't see it that way at all. I was the type of kid throughout school to be friends with everyone...hated cliques because I chose not to be a follower, yet the people in these cliques did not mind that at all. I never felt like an outcast. I love being around people to this day as I did then. I just walked my own path and did what worked for me and still do. Don't feel like an outcast at all.
Posted by lisabethur8
I read on Psychology that in general "Truth hurts". No one really wants to hear it because it's better to live in a world of delusion, or idealism.
but then, there's that dichotomy that if you don't give some idealistic/delusions, you'll Always stand apart and alone.
and people don't like to be loners for the most part.
What I bolded above^^ is the absolute TRUTH. It doesn't make one a "loner", it weeds out people who believe in the truth and respect it from those who worship delusions and are fooling themselves causing a lack of growth. Personally, if everyone was delusional, I'd find comfort in being alone. I won't settle for anything less in a person. Yet I am pleased to know there are people out there who are real.
Posted by GENERALIZODPosted by LetltB
I realize this is the Astrology forum, however, this thread would lead some to believe that one day you looked up your chart and decided you are either a confident person or not a confident person.
Nope...this is something that comes from PARENTS and upbringing from the day you arrived into this world....real life stuff.
If you weren't raised to have confidence and received reassurance by good parents, life experience might be able teach you along the way. Question is..will you learn from it or defy it?
...WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN A NATAL CHARTclick to expand
Noone here knows how each person was raised by their parents. A natal chart gives you the surface of a person. If the upbringing was good or bad, the chart astrologically will dictate good or bad.
Posted by LetltB
Noone here knows how each person was raised by their parents. A natal chart gives you the surface of a person. If the upbringing was good or bad, the chart astrologically will dictate good or bad.
Meaning....if you had an awful childhood, the birth chart doesn't teach you how to get past that negativity. Life does if you allow it. Those who rebel against it or are so down on themselves need outside help, not an astro chart.
Posted by GENERALIZODPosted by LetltB
I realize this is the Astrology forum, however, this thread would lead some to believe that one day you looked up your chart and decided you are either a confident person or not a confident person.
Nope...this is something that comes from PARENTS and upbringing from the day you arrived into this world....real life stuff.
If you weren't raised to have confidence and received reassurance by good parents, life experience might be able teach you along the way. Question is..will you learn from it or defy it?
...WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN A NATAL CHARTclick to expand
Definitely
Posted by Damnata
Rabbit..don't even think of comparing the american education system to the romanian one. Just..don't. Yes, we are familliar with the Sun. Still waiting for Americans to learn the math we do in highschool cuz they only do that in college. Learning different languages while they're at it too. On top of many, many other things. I'm not bragging at all (sarcasm, ofc I am..the education system is one of the few things that work in this country)
as for your "I know you guys don't get a lot of Sun there.."..I say cheers and touch?, kind sir.
Following the derail...
Curious to know what you personally know of the American education system? Perhaps you speak of a specific state/area?? There are kids in high school here who take up to 20 credits of college while in high school, along with a multitude of elective langauges taught and yea...math too.
Posted by GENERALIZODPosted by LetltBPosted by LetltB
Noone here knows how each person was raised by their parents. A natal chart gives you the surface of a person. If the upbringing was good or bad, the chart astrologically will dictate good or bad.
Meaning....if you had an awful childhood, the birth chart doesn't teach you how to get past that negativity. Life does if you allow it. Those who rebel against it or are so down on themselves need outside help, not an astro chart.
OK THAT MAKES SENSE.click to expand
I guess if we look at a negative upbringing, we may be able to say that the negative aspects of a chart are more pronounced (?)
Confidence is generated by your apreciation by others, if parents first it helps.
Fire and cardinal helps because it makes you do it.
I met the love of my life, got all recognition I needed and then my 5 fire planets and alot of cardinals help to do the rest.
Fire and cardinal helps because it makes you do it.
I met the love of my life, got all recognition I needed and then my 5 fire planets and alot of cardinals help to do the rest.
Posted by e11e
I am neutral about my upbringing, it was neither good or bad (compared to others). I see my parents as separate from me and independent from my actions. I take total accountability to the decisions I've made in my life....the good ones and the bad ones.
You weren't separate from your parents until you flew from the nest.
It's what you took from that upbringing to your first step down your individual path.
Your brother obviously took the upbringing differently as he took his first step down his individual path.
Upbringing is the core of each person prior to stepping out into the real world without mom and dad around. They will utilize what they were taught and raised as initially and apply it to the real world. Whether it was good or bad, or as you define it "neutral", will only matter when real life situations ocur and you are right smack in the middle of it. How your brother saw his upbringing as an individual is clearly different from yours.
Posted by e11e
How do you explain two siblings with essentially the same upbringing that see it two different ways?
My brother and I are a good example.
I have zero planets in my 4th house and it's in aqua. I am neutral about my upbringing, it was neither good or bad (compared to others). I see my parents as separate from me and independent from my actions. I take total accountability to the decisions I've made in my life....the good ones and the bad ones.
My brother, on the other hand, has saturn in the 4th house......is in his mid 30's.....and to this day, even if he were to stub his toe, it's because of the lousy upbringing we had. He takes no responsibility for any of his actions and blames it on our childhood.
Me - Aries Moon
Him - Cancer Moon
Upbringing can also encompass alot of perception that is fed by our natal placements, especially when there are countless people in this world who had very difficult upbringings and are extremely healthy and productive people in society.
All I can say is, I look at the Moon in my children's chart. They have different Moons, both mutable however, and I know from 21 to 28, I raised the slightly different, but still mutable.
I treated my children according to who they were/are. My daughter is a Pisces. I was extremely cognizant of her being a Pisces, while pregnant and patenting. She is a Pisces Moon and Mercury.
My 5th house is mutable.
Also Elle, just like with my kids having both mutable Moons, notice you and your brother's Moons are both cardinal.
Posted by e11ePosted by VenusAquarius
Also Elle, just like with my kids having both mutable Moons, notice you and your brother's Moons are both cardinal.
If we are strictly looking at upbringing, according to LIB, that shouldn't matter.
My point is...it MOST DEFINITELY matters.click to expand
I see what's she's saying and what you are saying. Bringing both thoughts together, I believe it is the modality that is the upbringing similarity diverging in approach according to element.
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