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Who do you Think would be Considered to be a Plutonian Person? (Page 5)
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Posted by AriElla7I know Chiron is considered way more important than I see it. lol I have three Squares from Chiron to personal planets, two of them tight, and I don't feel any evidence of them in me, so I don't know what to say other than that I don't see it.
@HappyCapper
If they're not to be included then I guess my score is 40, but Chiron is considered as relevant as small Pluto now..
I didn't really have any expectations but was curious to know, regardless of the results.
My hard aspects are sun and mars. Do you have any? I haven't read the whole topic.
In their defence, my Chiron Squares may be drowned by my Pluto Squares, so that may be why.
I have Sun, Moon and Venus Square Pluto. All tight.
Posted by HappyCapperπPosted by AriElla7I know Chiron is considered way more important than I see it. lol I have three Squares from Chiron to personal planets, two of them tight, and I don't feel any evidence of them in me, so I don't know what to say other than that I don't see it.
@HappyCapper
If they're not to be included then I guess my score is 40, but Chiron is considered as relevant as small Pluto now..
I didn't really have any expectations but was curious to know, regardless of the results.
My hard aspects are sun and mars. Do you have any? I haven't read the whole topic.
In their defence, my Chiron Squares may be drowned by my Pluto Squares, so that may be why.
I have Sun, Moon and Venus Square Pluto. All tight.click to expand
I'm not worried about my sun square too much because it's about lessons and mastering them, which has pretty much already been done.. Plus I have other placements that even other things out, esp my moon and my scorp placement in the 2nd house, and I recharge when I need to. The hard mars aspect has a Phoenix quality to it so I'm ok with it as well.. And it's true nothing brings me down but repercussion requires a heck of a lot to receive it.
@neves
I love nerding in on things, and right now, astrology is my main nerding focus, but I promise that you will never ever have to worry about me going overboard in the ways you mention. I totally agree it could be very dangerous to your sanity if you handle it wrong. I use it because it's fun and, as you say, a tool for self-reflection and as a way of learning more about other people. Not in the way that I look at someone's moon(for instance) and think: aaah, that's how that person is, but rather: Hmm, is that person really like that? Maybe another moon would have been more accurate?
As you say, astrology is not a science and I will not fully believe any of it until I see some form of proof, and having some scientific background, helps me calling BS when it's due in that department(not saying I'm perfect at it, just that I think it helps). The reason why I have continued researching astrology is that some things are just too accurate for my liking. I mean, think about it; it really shouldn't work!
Sure, I think my chart describes me a bit too well for my liking, but if you want to look at that objectically, that could be pure psychology(I really don't think it is - I'm not easily fooled, and I've posed questions to friends and family to get their outside view, but anyway). But, how is it that my sceptic of a friend has given me five charts of people I had never met or even heard about before, and I can describe them pretty well? And that's just one example. I want to know why it actually seems to work at times. That's a major drive.
In short: do not worry! And thank you for all your input! Keep writing as much as you like - I really enjoy reading it!π
I love nerding in on things, and right now, astrology is my main nerding focus, but I promise that you will never ever have to worry about me going overboard in the ways you mention. I totally agree it could be very dangerous to your sanity if you handle it wrong. I use it because it's fun and, as you say, a tool for self-reflection and as a way of learning more about other people. Not in the way that I look at someone's moon(for instance) and think: aaah, that's how that person is, but rather: Hmm, is that person really like that? Maybe another moon would have been more accurate?
As you say, astrology is not a science and I will not fully believe any of it until I see some form of proof, and having some scientific background, helps me calling BS when it's due in that department(not saying I'm perfect at it, just that I think it helps). The reason why I have continued researching astrology is that some things are just too accurate for my liking. I mean, think about it; it really shouldn't work!
Sure, I think my chart describes me a bit too well for my liking, but if you want to look at that objectically, that could be pure psychology(I really don't think it is - I'm not easily fooled, and I've posed questions to friends and family to get their outside view, but anyway). But, how is it that my sceptic of a friend has given me five charts of people I had never met or even heard about before, and I can describe them pretty well? And that's just one example. I want to know why it actually seems to work at times. That's a major drive.
In short: do not worry! And thank you for all your input! Keep writing as much as you like - I really enjoy reading it!π
Posted by AriElla7It's probably wise not to worry about them, but I don't think you can ever be done mastering them, imo. As I see it and have experienced it so far, it's a life long project. Just when you think you're safe...you realise that you're really not. But I do think you get tougher and tougher and learn better ways of handling things every day of your life. Jaded? Maybe.πPosted by HappyCapperπPosted by AriElla7I know Chiron is considered way more important than I see it. lol I have three Squares from Chiron to personal planets, two of them tight, and I don't feel any evidence of them in me, so I don't know what to say other than that I don't see it.
@HappyCapper
If they're not to be included then I guess my score is 40, but Chiron is considered as relevant as small Pluto now..
I didn't really have any expectations but was curious to know, regardless of the results.
My hard aspects are sun and mars. Do you have any? I haven't read the whole topic.
In their defence, my Chiron Squares may be drowned by my Pluto Squares, so that may be why.
I have Sun, Moon and Venus Square Pluto. All tight.
I'm not worried about my sun square too much because it's about lessons and mastering them, which has pretty much already been done.. Plus I have other placements that even other things out, esp my moon and my scorp placement in the 2nd house, and I recharge when I need to. The hard mars aspect has a Phoenix quality to it so I'm ok with it as well.. And it's true nothing brings me down but repercussion requires a heck of a lot to receive it.click to expand
@HappyCapper, not jaded. That's gotta go too.
Posted by AriElla7LOL Yeah, yeah, yeah, I s'pose.π
@HappyCapper, not jaded. That's gotta go too.
Posted by HappyCapperHahaha. What's your score by the way?Posted by fallendarkangelLOL I forgot my Neptune sextile Pluto.πPosted by ElleDuMondeI got 62 points, but I didn't include the Alpha Dog. I don't know how to identify it. Lol. β
here is a test
https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/how-strong-is-your-pluto-heres-the-score/
(I forgot to include my Uranus sextile Pluto haha)click to expand
Posted by fallendarkangelHad to count it again.LOL I got 68, not counting the bonus section.Posted by HappyCapperHahaha. What's your score by the way?Posted by fallendarkangelLOL I forgot my Neptune sextile Pluto.πPosted by ElleDuMondeI got 62 points, but I didn't include the Alpha Dog. I don't know how to identify it. Lol. β
here is a test
https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/how-strong-is-your-pluto-heres-the-score/
(I forgot to include my Uranus sextile Pluto haha)click to expand
Posted by HappyCapperWow you're highly Plutonian also. ΕPosted by fallendarkangelHad to count it again.LOL I got 68, not counting the bonus section.Posted by HappyCapperHahaha. What's your score by the way?Posted by fallendarkangelLOL I forgot my Neptune sextile Pluto.πPosted by ElleDuMondeI got 62 points, but I didn't include the Alpha Dog. I don't know how to identify it. Lol. β
here is a test
https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/how-strong-is-your-pluto-heres-the-score/
(I forgot to include my Uranus sextile Pluto haha)click to expand
Posted by fallendarkangelAt lest according to that test. There seem to be loads of opinions about who's plutonian and who's not. I'm plutonian according to the Pullen theory as well, but not if you go by the theory that you need a scorpio sun - I don't have that.πPosted by HappyCapperWow you're highly Plutonian also. ΕPosted by fallendarkangelHad to count it again.LOL I got 68, not counting the bonus section.Posted by HappyCapperHahaha. What's your score by the way?Posted by fallendarkangelLOL I forgot my Neptune sextile Pluto.πPosted by ElleDuMondeI got 62 points, but I didn't include the Alpha Dog. I don't know how to identify it. Lol. β
here is a test
https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/how-strong-is-your-pluto-heres-the-score/
(I forgot to include my Uranus sextile Pluto haha)click to expand
Posted by HappyCapperIt's ok. I believe that having a Scorpio sun is not the only thing needed to be considered as Plutonian. π I've met my fellow Scorpios who doesn't have any major Pluto aspects and they don't seem to be intense even if I'm already close to them.Posted by fallendarkangelAt lest according to that test. There seem to be loads of opinions about who's plutonian and who's not. I'm plutonian according to the Pullen theory as well, but not if you go by the theory that you need a scorpio sun - I don't have that.πPosted by HappyCapperWow you're highly Plutonian also. ΕPosted by fallendarkangelHad to count it again.LOL I got 68, not counting the bonus section.Posted by HappyCapperHahaha. What's your score by the way?Posted by fallendarkangelLOL I forgot my Neptune sextile Pluto.πPosted by ElleDuMondeI got 62 points, but I didn't include the Alpha Dog. I don't know how to identify it. Lol. β
here is a test
https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/how-strong-is-your-pluto-heres-the-score/
(I forgot to include my Uranus sextile Pluto haha)click to expand
Posted by fallendarkangelI know what you mean. I have a work collegue who is a scorpio sun with nothing else in scorpio with one weak pluto aspect(I seem to remember) and nothing in the 8th and scorpio is number 7 in her Pullen ranking. It is indeed difficult to see her as a plutonian person, but since I agree with the theory that you see everything as filtered through your sun...yeah, it's difficult.Posted by HappyCapperIt's ok. I believe that having a Scorpio sun is not the only thing needed to be considered as Plutonian. π I've met my fellow Scorpios who doesn't have any major Pluto aspects and they don't seem to be intense even if I'm already close to them.Posted by fallendarkangelAt lest according to that test. There seem to be loads of opinions about who's plutonian and who's not. I'm plutonian according to the Pullen theory as well, but not if you go by the theory that you need a scorpio sun - I don't have that.πPosted by HappyCapperWow you're highly Plutonian also. ΕPosted by fallendarkangelHad to count it again.LOL I got 68, not counting the bonus section.Posted by HappyCapperHahaha. What's your score by the way?Posted by fallendarkangelLOL I forgot my Neptune sextile Pluto.πPosted by ElleDuMondeI got 62 points, but I didn't include the Alpha Dog. I don't know how to identify it. Lol. β
here is a test
https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/how-strong-is-your-pluto-heres-the-score/
(I forgot to include my Uranus sextile Pluto haha)click to expand
The reason why I would possibly consider myself to be plutonian would be that my personal planets(all, or all but one, depending on the theory you use.) are very much affected. Did you check that pluto square link for your moon square pluto? There's a lot of info there, I think.
Posted by HappyCapperWhat was the dominant signs and planets of your colleague? I also don't believe with those decan thing that Scorpios born in October are the epitome of a Scorpio. They act like Libras and I don't sense any intensity amongPosted by fallendarkangelI know what you mean. I have a work collegue who is a scorpio sun with nothing else in scorpio with one weak pluto aspect(I seem to remember) and nothing in the 8th and scorpio is number 7 in her Pullen ranking. It is indeed difficult to see her as a plutonian person, but since I agree with the theory that you see everything as filtered through your sun...yeah, it's difficult.Posted by HappyCapperIt's ok. I believe that having a Scorpio sun is not the only thing needed to be considered as Plutonian. π I've met my fellow Scorpios who doesn't have any major Pluto aspects and they don't seem to be intense even if I'm already close to them.Posted by fallendarkangelAt lest according to that test. There seem to be loads of opinions about who's plutonian and who's not. I'm plutonian according to the Pullen theory as well, but not if you go by the theory that you need a scorpio sun - I don't have that.πPosted by HappyCapperWow you're highly Plutonian also. ΕPosted by fallendarkangelHad to count it again.LOL I got 68, not counting the bonus section.Posted by HappyCapperHahaha. What's your score by the way?Posted by fallendarkangelLOL I forgot my Neptune sextile Pluto.πPosted by ElleDuMondeI got 62 points, but I didn't include the Alpha Dog. I don't know how to identify it. Lol. β
here is a test
https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/how-strong-is-your-pluto-heres-the-score/
(I forgot to include my Uranus sextile Pluto haha)
The reason why I would possibly consider myself to be plutonian would be that my personal planets(all, or all but one, depending on the theory you use.) are very much affected. Did you check that pluto square link for your moon square pluto? There's a lot of info there, I think.click to expand
Posted by HappyCapperYeah I've seen the link you provided. Thanks btw πPosted by fallendarkangelI know what you mean. I have a work collegue who is a scorpio sun with nothing else in scorpio with one weak pluto aspect(I seem to remember) and nothing in the 8th and scorpio is number 7 in her Pullen ranking. It is indeed difficult to see her as a plutonian person, but since I agree with the theory that you see everything as filtered through your sun...yeah, it's difficult.Posted by HappyCapperIt's ok. I believe that having a Scorpio sun is not the only thing needed to be considered as Plutonian. π I've met my fellow Scorpios who doesn't have any major Pluto aspects and they don't seem to be intense even if I'm already close to them.Posted by fallendarkangelAt lest according to that test. There seem to be loads of opinions about who's plutonian and who's not. I'm plutonian according to the Pullen theory as well, but not if you go by the theory that you need a scorpio sun - I don't have that.πPosted by HappyCapperWow you're highly Plutonian also. ΕPosted by fallendarkangelHad to count it again.LOL I got 68, not counting the bonus section.Posted by HappyCapperHahaha. What's your score by the way?Posted by fallendarkangelLOL I forgot my Neptune sextile Pluto.πPosted by ElleDuMondeI got 62 points, but I didn't include the Alpha Dog. I don't know how to identify it. Lol. β
here is a test
https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/how-strong-is-your-pluto-heres-the-score/
(I forgot to include my Uranus sextile Pluto haha)
The reason why I would possibly consider myself to be plutonian would be that my personal planets(all, or all but one, depending on the theory you use.) are very much affected. Did you check that pluto square link for your moon square pluto? There's a lot of info there, I think.click to expand
I just want to ask your opinion about this. If a Pluto made aspect with a Sun in 7th House, could we interpret the Pluto like it is in a 7th House also?
@fallendarkangel
1. Sag
2. Libra
3. Virgo
1. Venus
2. Mercury
3. Saturn
Nah, must say the decan thing hasn't been noticable to me either, tbh. There seems to be a lot of crap in astrology that is there just because some astrologer wanted some energy in their chart, so they found a way. Like in the OP, people who want to be plutonic so badly that they feel the need to dig just anywhere so find some of that. I wonder just how plutonian we could be in our own heads if we really, really tried. lol
I'm not an astrologer, mind you, so this is just my view of things:
No, I don't think you could say that. That's my opinion, though. I don't remember having read it anywhere either. Where did you get it from? Do you have a link?
1. Sag
2. Libra
3. Virgo
1. Venus
2. Mercury
3. Saturn
Nah, must say the decan thing hasn't been noticable to me either, tbh. There seems to be a lot of crap in astrology that is there just because some astrologer wanted some energy in their chart, so they found a way. Like in the OP, people who want to be plutonic so badly that they feel the need to dig just anywhere so find some of that. I wonder just how plutonian we could be in our own heads if we really, really tried. lol
I'm not an astrologer, mind you, so this is just my view of things:
No, I don't think you could say that. That's my opinion, though. I don't remember having read it anywhere either. Where did you get it from? Do you have a link?
Posted by blackphaseThe consensus, currently, is that there is none.π
I am not sure if you came to a consensus on this yet..
But, Scorp Asc & Scorp Pluto 1st House - Pluto Conjunct Asc
8th House Sun
Pluto & Scorpio are both my chart rulers
Not sure what other points you considered to be important, but let me know and I'll tell ya if I have em π
People seem to have a wide range of ideas on what would be considered to be plutonian.
What pluto aspects do you have? Also, I seem to remember that you have a scorpio moon and maybe something else in scorpio as well + something more in the 8th? Venus? Damnit, I don't remember.π
*Edit: Wait, that venus was almost in the 9th, right, so it Counts in the 9th instead? No? Damn it! Trying to remember. π
Posted by HappyCapperI agree. I think being Plutonian seems to be overrated IMO. Many people wanted to be it, but they didn't know how hard it is. π’ I think your colleague acts more like a Libra. It mellows down her Scorpio and having no Pluto tones down her Scorpionic tendencies even more.
@fallendarkangel
1. Sag
2. Libra
3. Virgo
1. Venus
2. Mercury
3. Saturn
Nah, must say the decan thing hasn't been noticable to me either, tbh. There seems to be a lot of crap in astrology that is there just because some astrologer wanted some energy in their chart, so they found a way. Like in the OP, people who want to be plutonic so badly that they feel the need to dig just anywhere so find some of that. I wonder just how plutonian we could be in our own heads if we really, really tried. lol
I'm not an astrologer, mind you, so this is just my view of things:
No, I don't think you could say that. That's my opinion, though. I don't remember having read it anywhere either. Where did you get it from? Do you have a link?
Just a theory of mine. I've been thinking about it for weeks. Lol β
Posted by fallendarkangelWell, I love theories.π Does your theory limit itself to the sun specifically, or other planets too? Because depending on a person't pluto aspects(in your example, but if it was a valid theory, it would stretch to other planets as well) there could be a looot of pluto houses.πPosted by HappyCapperI agree. I think being Plutonian seems to be overrated IMO. Many people wanted to be it, but they didn't know how hard it is. π’ I think your colleague acts more like a Libra. It mellows down her Scorpio and having no Pluto tones down her Scorpionic tendencies even more.
@fallendarkangel
1. Sag
2. Libra
3. Virgo
1. Venus
2. Mercury
3. Saturn
Nah, must say the decan thing hasn't been noticable to me either, tbh. There seems to be a lot of crap in astrology that is there just because some astrologer wanted some energy in their chart, so they found a way. Like in the OP, people who want to be plutonic so badly that they feel the need to dig just anywhere so find some of that. I wonder just how plutonian we could be in our own heads if we really, really tried. lol
I'm not an astrologer, mind you, so this is just my view of things:
No, I don't think you could say that. That's my opinion, though. I don't remember having read it anywhere either. Where did you get it from? Do you have a link?
Just a theory of mine. I've been thinking about it for weeks. Lol βclick to expand
Posted by blackphaseSounds pretty plutonian to me! I'm no expert, though. Elle shared a link. I don't know how accuate it is (at least I felt I got more points than i should have counted myself)Posted by HappyCapperScorp Moon, Pluto & AscPosted by blackphaseThe consensus, currently, is that there is none.π
I am not sure if you came to a consensus on this yet..
But, Scorp Asc & Scorp Pluto 1st House - Pluto Conjunct Asc
8th House Sun
Pluto & Scorpio are both my chart rulers
Not sure what other points you considered to be important, but let me know and I'll tell ya if I have em π
People seem to have a wide range of ideas on what would be considered to be plutonian.
What pluto aspects do you have? Also, I seem to remember that you have a scorpio moon and maybe something else in scorpio as well + something more in the 8th? Venus? Damnit, I don't remember.π
Sun, Venus, Jupiter & Chiron in the 8th
Pluto Conjunction Ascendant
Venus Trine Pluto
Neptune Sextile Pluto
Saturn Sextile Plutoclick to expand
https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/how-strong-is-your-pluto-heres-the-score/
Try it, if you like.π
Posted by blackphaseSeems many astrologers automatically puts the planet very close to the next house in that house, but there seems to be different theories about that as well. Check what you think fits your personality. If you have more planets close to such a border, you could check that as well, because I think you have to do it with all or none.Posted by HappyCapperUnsure on this one. Some charts put it in the 8th some in the 9th, it is very close.Posted by blackphaseThe consensus, currently, is that there is none.π
I am not sure if you came to a consensus on this yet..
But, Scorp Asc & Scorp Pluto 1st House - Pluto Conjunct Asc
8th House Sun
Pluto & Scorpio are both my chart rulers
Not sure what other points you considered to be important, but let me know and I'll tell ya if I have em π
People seem to have a wide range of ideas on what would be considered to be plutonian.
What pluto aspects do you have? Also, I seem to remember that you have a scorpio moon and maybe something else in scorpio as well + something more in the 8th? Venus? Damnit, I don't remember.π
*Edit: Wait, that venus was almost in the 9th, right, so it Counts in the 9th instead? No? Damn it! Trying to remember. πclick to expand
Posted by blackphaseI think I have your chart somewhere in my message box - I'll check. The stellium and alpha dogs you don't have to worry about since your pluto is not in a stellium. At least, that's how I read it.Posted by HappyCapperHmm, I'll have to look at it. I am looking at the link you sent now.Posted by blackphaseSeems many astrologers automatically puts the planet very close to the next house in that house, but there seems to be different theories about that as well. Check what you think fits your personality. If you have more planets close to such a border, you could check that as well, because I think you have to do it with all or none.Posted by HappyCapperUnsure on this one. Some charts put it in the 8th some in the 9th, it is very close.Posted by blackphaseThe consensus, currently, is that there is none.π
I am not sure if you came to a consensus on this yet..
But, Scorp Asc & Scorp Pluto 1st House - Pluto Conjunct Asc
8th House Sun
Pluto & Scorpio are both my chart rulers
Not sure what other points you considered to be important, but let me know and I'll tell ya if I have em π
People seem to have a wide range of ideas on what would be considered to be plutonian.
What pluto aspects do you have? Also, I seem to remember that you have a scorpio moon and maybe something else in scorpio as well + something more in the 8th? Venus? Damnit, I don't remember.π
*Edit: Wait, that venus was almost in the 9th, right, so it Counts in the 9th instead? No? Damn it! Trying to remember. π
I am not sure if it is part of major configuration (like a stellium, T-square, or Grand Trine) How can I find this out?
And this part too, I am not sure about.. "Stellium Planets: Lead planet (first in series) or Alpha Dog"click to expand
Posted by blackphaseIt is. But I'm talking about pluto being a part of a stellium - not being a stellium.πPosted by HappyCapperI thought a stellium was an abundance (at least 4) of one sign or house. How can one planet on it's own be a stellium? What makes a Pluto a stellium? I don't know much about this sorry. And I can send my chart if you do not have it.Posted by blackphaseI think I have your chart somewhere in my message box - I'll check. The stellium and alpha dogs you don't have to worry about since your pluto is not in a stellium. At least, that's how I read it.Posted by HappyCapperHmm, I'll have to look at it. I am looking at the link you sent now.Posted by blackphaseSeems many astrologers automatically puts the planet very close to the next house in that house, but there seems to be different theories about that as well. Check what you think fits your personality. If you have more planets close to such a border, you could check that as well, because I think you have to do it with all or none.Posted by HappyCapperUnsure on this one. Some charts put it in the 8th some in the 9th, it is very close.Posted by blackphaseThe consensus, currently, is that there is none.π
I am not sure if you came to a consensus on this yet..
But, Scorp Asc & Scorp Pluto 1st House - Pluto Conjunct Asc
8th House Sun
Pluto & Scorpio are both my chart rulers
Not sure what other points you considered to be important, but let me know and I'll tell ya if I have em π
People seem to have a wide range of ideas on what would be considered to be plutonian.
What pluto aspects do you have? Also, I seem to remember that you have a scorpio moon and maybe something else in scorpio as well + something more in the 8th? Venus? Damnit, I don't remember.π
*Edit: Wait, that venus was almost in the 9th, right, so it Counts in the 9th instead? No? Damn it! Trying to remember. π
I am not sure if it is part of major configuration (like a stellium, T-square, or Grand Trine) How can I find this out?
And this part too, I am not sure about.. "Stellium Planets: Lead planet (first in series) or Alpha Dog"click to expand
Posted by blackphaseI checked your chart and it doesn't seem to me that you would have any major configuration, involving pluto. I don't know if you checked the bonus section?
@HappyCapper - Okayy, now I see what you mean. I was just reading too much into it π
The only stellium I have would be 8th House (only if we go by the charts that put Venus in the 8th) My Pluto is in the 1st, so it would not be included, you are right.
So I finished ranking the strength of my Pluto influence now.. I got 59, going by the link you sent.
How would you decide if you thought a person was plutonian or not?
Ruled by pluto as in pluto being the chart ruler or that pluto is ranked number one in planet ranking?
Posted by blackphaseI don't approve of the term as such, tbh, but that's just me. The chart ruler is the planetary ruler of your ASC. So in your case, your ASC is scorpio and the ruler of that is pluto, so pluto is indeed your chart ruler. When I speak of planet ranking, I'm talking about Pullen. Have you checked that?Posted by HappyCapperThose don't mean the same thing?
Ruled by pluto as in pluto being the chart ruler or that pluto is ranked number one in planet ranking?
I thought Pluto was my chart ruler becasue it out ranked all other planets.. Maybe just a coincidence that mine is both, or I was misinformed.. How can you tell the difference?click to expand
Posted by blackphaseWhen I talk about Pullen, I don't mean chart ruler, but top ranked planets in planet or sign ranking.Posted by HappyCapperYes.. Pluto is my chart ruler according to Pullen as well, that's where I got that from. I forgot that it also meant the ruler of ASC. So mine is Pluto for both.Posted by blackphaseI don't approve of the term as such, tbh, but that's just me. The chart ruler is the planetary ruler of your ASC. So in your case, your ASC is scorpio and the ruler of that is pluto, so pluto is indeed your chart ruler. When I speak of planet ranking, I'm talking about Pullen. Have you checked that?Posted by HappyCapperThose don't mean the same thing?
Ruled by pluto as in pluto being the chart ruler or that pluto is ranked number one in planet ranking?
I thought Pluto was my chart ruler becasue it out ranked all other planets.. Maybe just a coincidence that mine is both, or I was misinformed.. How can you tell the difference?
I get confused a lot as there seems to be a lot of coincidences in my chart. Every thing always points back to Scorp & Pluto.click to expand
I know, it's sooo confusing! π
Posted by blackphaseExactly! It's like you say: when I checked your chart just now, whatever I checked really made me come back to scorpio or pluto or 8th house. lolPosted by HappyCapperI see what you mean. I think I always just worded it improperly becasue Pluto is both for mine, so I have always just said chart ruler πPosted by blackphaseWhen I talk about Pullen, I don't mean chart ruler, but top ranked planets in planet or sign ranking.Posted by HappyCapperYes.. Pluto is my chart ruler according to Pullen as well, that's where I got that from. I forgot that it also meant the ruler of ASC. So mine is Pluto for both.Posted by blackphaseI don't approve of the term as such, tbh, but that's just me. The chart ruler is the planetary ruler of your ASC. So in your case, your ASC is scorpio and the ruler of that is pluto, so pluto is indeed your chart ruler. When I speak of planet ranking, I'm talking about Pullen. Have you checked that?Posted by HappyCapperThose don't mean the same thing?
Ruled by pluto as in pluto being the chart ruler or that pluto is ranked number one in planet ranking?
I thought Pluto was my chart ruler becasue it out ranked all other planets.. Maybe just a coincidence that mine is both, or I was misinformed.. How can you tell the difference?
I get confused a lot as there seems to be a lot of coincidences in my chart. Every thing always points back to Scorp & Pluto.
I know, it's sooo confusing! πclick to expand
Posted by blackphaseπππPosted by HappyCapperI'm trapped in it!!! AHHHHHHHHHHPosted by blackphaseExactly! It's like you say: when I checked your chart just now, whatever I checked really made me come back to scorpio or pluto or 8th house. lolPosted by HappyCapperI see what you mean. I think I always just worded it improperly becasue Pluto is both for mine, so I have always just said chart ruler πPosted by blackphaseWhen I talk about Pullen, I don't mean chart ruler, but top ranked planets in planet or sign ranking.Posted by HappyCapperYes.. Pluto is my chart ruler according to Pullen as well, that's where I got that from. I forgot that it also meant the ruler of ASC. So mine is Pluto for both.Posted by blackphaseI don't approve of the term as such, tbh, but that's just me. The chart ruler is the planetary ruler of your ASC. So in your case, your ASC is scorpio and the ruler of that is pluto, so pluto is indeed your chart ruler. When I speak of planet ranking, I'm talking about Pullen. Have you checked that?Posted by HappyCapperThose don't mean the same thing?
Ruled by pluto as in pluto being the chart ruler or that pluto is ranked number one in planet ranking?
I thought Pluto was my chart ruler becasue it out ranked all other planets.. Maybe just a coincidence that mine is both, or I was misinformed.. How can you tell the difference?
I get confused a lot as there seems to be a lot of coincidences in my chart. Every thing always points back to Scorp & Pluto.
I know, it's sooo confusing! πclick to expand
Posted by blackphaseI have no clue, tbh. I have something like it in my chart as well, but I think the two of us probably have fairly scorpio/pluto/8th house heavy charts with that energy spread all over instead on focused in one or two places - especially our personal planets. Don't know how common that is.Posted by HappyCapperIs it all that common to have everything correlate like this? I feel it's a very fortunate thing to have.Posted by blackphaseπππPosted by HappyCapperI'm trapped in it!!! AHHHHHHHHHHPosted by blackphaseExactly! It's like you say: when I checked your chart just now, whatever I checked really made me come back to scorpio or pluto or 8th house. lolPosted by HappyCapperI see what you mean. I think I always just worded it improperly becasue Pluto is both for mine, so I have always just said chart ruler πPosted by blackphaseWhen I talk about Pullen, I don't mean chart ruler, but top ranked planets in planet or sign ranking.Posted by HappyCapperYes.. Pluto is my chart ruler according to Pullen as well, that's where I got that from. I forgot that it also meant the ruler of ASC. So mine is Pluto for both.Posted by blackphasePosted by HappyCapperThose don't mean the same thing?
Ruled by pluto as in pluto being the chart ruler or that pluto is ranked number one in planet ranking?
I thought Pluto was my chart ruler becasue it out ranked all other planets.. Maybe just a coincidence that mine is both, or I was misinformed.. How can you tell the difference?
I get confused a lot as there seems to be a lot of coincidences in my chart. Every thing always points back to Scorp & Pluto.
I know, it's sooo confusing! πclick to expand
I thought I had pluto in the 2nd house simply because it's in scorpio. I was confused on planets in houses for a bit and was shocked to find pluto in the 1st house instead, with saturn and uranus in the 2nd. The cafeastrology chart source is incomplete in the aspect so I switched to astrotheme. It made sense though. Had an ah ha moment lol.
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Posted by AriElla7May I suggest yet another switch...to astro.com. I think most people seem to like them the best. Well, at least I do. π
I thought I had pluto in the 2nd house simply because it's in scorpio. I was confused on planets in houses for a bit and was shocked to find pluto in the 1st house instead, with saturn and uranus in the 2nd. The cafeastrology chart source is incomplete in the aspect so I switched to astrotheme. It made sense though. Had an ah ha moment lol.
@blackphase
We don't have it in the same way, but we both have it spread out over most personal planets and you have a lot on your ASC as well. I maaay have another square to my ASC as well, but I hope not and I absolutely refuse to aknowledge it until there is proof. Hehehe
We don't have it in the same way, but we both have it spread out over most personal planets and you have a lot on your ASC as well. I maaay have another square to my ASC as well, but I hope not and I absolutely refuse to aknowledge it until there is proof. Hehehe
Posted by HappyCapperI'll check it out πPosted by AriElla7May I suggest yet another switch...to astro.com. I think most people seem to like them the best. Well, at least I do. π
I thought I had pluto in the 2nd house simply because it's in scorpio. I was confused on planets in houses for a bit and was shocked to find pluto in the 1st house instead, with saturn and uranus in the 2nd. The cafeastrology chart source is incomplete in the aspect so I switched to astrotheme. It made sense though. Had an ah ha moment lol.click to expand
Posted by HappyCapperActually my theory can stretch to the luminaries and personal planets. But I've been thinking the same too about Pluto having many houses. It would really cause confusion. βPosted by fallendarkangelWell, I love theories.π Does your theory limit itself to the sun specifically, or other planets too? Because depending on a person't pluto aspects(in your example, but if it was a valid theory, it would stretch to other planets as well) there could be a looot of pluto houses.πPosted by HappyCapperI agree. I think being Plutonian seems to be overrated IMO. Many people wanted to be it, but they didn't know how hard it is. π’ I think your colleague acts more like a Libra. It mellows down her Scorpio and having no Pluto tones down her Scorpionic tendencies even more.
@fallendarkangel
1. Sag
2. Libra
3. Virgo
1. Venus
2. Mercury
3. Saturn
Nah, must say the decan thing hasn't been noticable to me either, tbh. There seems to be a lot of crap in astrology that is there just because some astrologer wanted some energy in their chart, so they found a way. Like in the OP, people who want to be plutonic so badly that they feel the need to dig just anywhere so find some of that. I wonder just how plutonian we could be in our own heads if we really, really tried. lol
I'm not an astrologer, mind you, so this is just my view of things:
No, I don't think you could say that. That's my opinion, though. I don't remember having read it anywhere either. Where did you get it from? Do you have a link?
Just a theory of mine. I've been thinking about it for weeks. Lol βclick to expand
Posted by fallendarkangelWhy pluto and the personal planets? As I see it, it would be more logical to say pluto and the other outer planets(counting the three). Or maybe I misunderstand.Posted by HappyCapperActually my theory can stretch to the luminaries and personal planets. But I've been thinking the same too about Pluto having many houses. It would really cause confusion. βPosted by fallendarkangelWell, I love theories.π Does your theory limit itself to the sun specifically, or other planets too? Because depending on a person't pluto aspects(in your example, but if it was a valid theory, it would stretch to other planets as well) there could be a looot of pluto houses.πPosted by HappyCapperI agree. I think being Plutonian seems to be overrated IMO. Many people wanted to be it, but they didn't know how hard it is. π’ I think your colleague acts more like a Libra. It mellows down her Scorpio and having no Pluto tones down her Scorpionic tendencies even more.
@fallendarkangel
1. Sag
2. Libra
3. Virgo
1. Venus
2. Mercury
3. Saturn
Nah, must say the decan thing hasn't been noticable to me either, tbh. There seems to be a lot of crap in astrology that is there just because some astrologer wanted some energy in their chart, so they found a way. Like in the OP, people who want to be plutonic so badly that they feel the need to dig just anywhere so find some of that. I wonder just how plutonian we could be in our own heads if we really, really tried. lol
I'm not an astrologer, mind you, so this is just my view of things:
No, I don't think you could say that. That's my opinion, though. I don't remember having read it anywhere either. Where did you get it from? Do you have a link?
Just a theory of mine. I've been thinking about it for weeks. Lol βclick to expand
A looot of confusion! lol In my case, pluto would be in my 2nd, 4th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 12th houses. π
Posted by HappyCapperActually my theory applies also to the outer planets aspecting inner planets. Also, I've read that personal planets are more influential to an individual rather than outer planets which is more generational. Hahaha. I know it's confusing. Lol πPosted by fallendarkangelWhy pluto and the personal planets? As I see it, it would be more logical to say pluto and the other outer planets(counting the three). Or maybe I misunderstand.Posted by HappyCapperActually my theory can stretch to the luminaries and personal planets. But I've been thinking the same too about Pluto having many houses. It would really cause confusion. βPosted by fallendarkangelWell, I love theories.π Does your theory limit itself to the sun specifically, or other planets too? Because depending on a person't pluto aspects(in your example, but if it was a valid theory, it would stretch to other planets as well) there could be a looot of pluto houses.πPosted by HappyCapperI agree. I think being Plutonian seems to be overrated IMO. Many people wanted to be it, but they didn't know how hard it is. π’ I think your colleague acts more like a Libra. It mellows down her Scorpio and having no Pluto tones down her Scorpionic tendencies even more.
@fallendarkangel
1. Sag
2. Libra
3. Virgo
1. Venus
2. Mercury
3. Saturn
Nah, must say the decan thing hasn't been noticable to me either, tbh. There seems to be a lot of crap in astrology that is there just because some astrologer wanted some energy in their chart, so they found a way. Like in the OP, people who want to be plutonic so badly that they feel the need to dig just anywhere so find some of that. I wonder just how plutonian we could be in our own heads if we really, really tried. lol
I'm not an astrologer, mind you, so this is just my view of things:
No, I don't think you could say that. That's my opinion, though. I don't remember having read it anywhere either. Where did you get it from? Do you have a link?
Just a theory of mine. I've been thinking about it for weeks. Lol β
A looot of confusion! lol In my case, pluto would be in my 2nd, 4th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 12th houses. πclick to expand
@fallendarkangel
The personal planets are used more directly by the native in everyday life, but they don't influence the rest of the chart as much. I agree with you in that the signs of the outer planets make less of a difference, as they are generational. The outer planets, as I see it, are of use when they touch other, and most importantly, personal planets - they influence them according to the rule that a planet is influenced pretty much only by a slower moving planet. It could have some influence from a faster moving planet as well, such as venus giving warmth to mars, for instance, but not real, hands on influence. This is, imo, why it's all about aspects.
If you for instance have a moon in taurus with the only aspect being a conjunction with your sun in the same sign, for instance, that taurus moon will be pure taurus and pretty much only influenced by the house it's in. If that same moon was instead aspected by a square to neptune and one square to pluto instead(this is just theory, so nvm if it's possible for a now living person), that moon would be influenced by neptunian and plutonian energy, hence getting to keep less of its taurian energy. Which means that that neptunian and plutonian energy will be carried with that moon on a day to day basis...making these energies very influential in day to day life for the native.
So, the personal planets are always used by the native, while the outer planets can have a lot of influence on these planets(which, again, are always used by the native)...if there are aspects between them. As I have understood it.
Am I babbling? Please tell me to clarify if it's completely unreadable.π
The personal planets are used more directly by the native in everyday life, but they don't influence the rest of the chart as much. I agree with you in that the signs of the outer planets make less of a difference, as they are generational. The outer planets, as I see it, are of use when they touch other, and most importantly, personal planets - they influence them according to the rule that a planet is influenced pretty much only by a slower moving planet. It could have some influence from a faster moving planet as well, such as venus giving warmth to mars, for instance, but not real, hands on influence. This is, imo, why it's all about aspects.
If you for instance have a moon in taurus with the only aspect being a conjunction with your sun in the same sign, for instance, that taurus moon will be pure taurus and pretty much only influenced by the house it's in. If that same moon was instead aspected by a square to neptune and one square to pluto instead(this is just theory, so nvm if it's possible for a now living person), that moon would be influenced by neptunian and plutonian energy, hence getting to keep less of its taurian energy. Which means that that neptunian and plutonian energy will be carried with that moon on a day to day basis...making these energies very influential in day to day life for the native.
So, the personal planets are always used by the native, while the outer planets can have a lot of influence on these planets(which, again, are always used by the native)...if there are aspects between them. As I have understood it.
Am I babbling? Please tell me to clarify if it's completely unreadable.π
Posted by HappyCapperWow! Thanks for a more detailed explanation. I got it now. π I'm just a newbie in Astrology and I really liked to learn more. Actually you're really good in explaining the concept. π
@fallendarkangel
The personal planets are used more directly by the native in everyday life, but they don't influence the rest of the chart as much. I agree with you in that the signs of the outer planets make less of a difference, as they are generational. The outer planets, as I see it, are of use when they touch other, and most importantly, personal planets - they influence them according to the rule that a planet is influenced pretty much only by a slower moving planet. It could have some influence from a faster moving planet as well, such as venus giving warmth to mars, for instance, but not real, hands on influence. This is, imo, why it's all about aspects.
If you for instance have a moon in taurus with the only aspect being a conjunction with your sun in the same sign, for instance, that taurus moon will be pure taurus and pretty much only influenced by the house it's in. If that same moon was instead aspected by a square to neptune and one square to pluto instead(this is just theory, so nvm if it's possible for a now living person), that moon would be influenced by neptunian and plutonian energy, hence getting to keep less of its taurian energy. Which means that that neptunian and plutonian energy will be carried with that moon on a day to day basis...making these energies very influential in day to day life for the native.
So, the personal planets are always used by the native, while the outer planets can have a lot of influence on these planets(which, again, are always used by the native)...if there are aspects between them. As I have understood it.
Am I babbling? Please tell me to clarify if it's completely unreadable.π
Posted by fallendarkangelWell, this is just how I have understood what I have read; I'm not an astrologer and I'm also pretty new to this. I have just nerded in on it pretty badly, so I have read a lot - but I'm still pretty new to it.πPosted by HappyCapperWow! Thanks for a more detailed explanation. I got it now. π I'm just a newbie in Astrology and I really liked to learn more. Actually you're really good in explaining the concept. π
@fallendarkangel
The personal planets are used more directly by the native in everyday life, but they don't influence the rest of the chart as much. I agree with you in that the signs of the outer planets make less of a difference, as they are generational. The outer planets, as I see it, are of use when they touch other, and most importantly, personal planets - they influence them according to the rule that a planet is influenced pretty much only by a slower moving planet. It could have some influence from a faster moving planet as well, such as venus giving warmth to mars, for instance, but not real, hands on influence. This is, imo, why it's all about aspects.
If you for instance have a moon in taurus with the only aspect being a conjunction with your sun in the same sign, for instance, that taurus moon will be pure taurus and pretty much only influenced by the house it's in. If that same moon was instead aspected by a square to neptune and one square to pluto instead(this is just theory, so nvm if it's possible for a now living person), that moon would be influenced by neptunian and plutonian energy, hence getting to keep less of its taurian energy. Which means that that neptunian and plutonian energy will be carried with that moon on a day to day basis...making these energies very influential in day to day life for the native.
So, the personal planets are always used by the native, while the outer planets can have a lot of influence on these planets(which, again, are always used by the native)...if there are aspects between them. As I have understood it.
Am I babbling? Please tell me to clarify if it's completely unreadable.πclick to expand
Posted by HappyCapperAre you serious? :O You're pretty good. I really need to review the astrology lessons I've read. Hahaha. πPosted by fallendarkangelWell, this is just how I have understood what I have read; I'm not an astrologer and I'm also pretty new to this. I have just nerded in on it pretty badly, so I have read a lot - but I'm still pretty new to it.πPosted by HappyCapperWow! Thanks for a more detailed explanation. I got it now. π I'm just a newbie in Astrology and I really liked to learn more. Actually you're really good in explaining the concept. π
@fallendarkangel
The personal planets are used more directly by the native in everyday life, but they don't influence the rest of the chart as much. I agree with you in that the signs of the outer planets make less of a difference, as they are generational. The outer planets, as I see it, are of use when they touch other, and most importantly, personal planets - they influence them according to the rule that a planet is influenced pretty much only by a slower moving planet. It could have some influence from a faster moving planet as well, such as venus giving warmth to mars, for instance, but not real, hands on influence. This is, imo, why it's all about aspects.
If you for instance have a moon in taurus with the only aspect being a conjunction with your sun in the same sign, for instance, that taurus moon will be pure taurus and pretty much only influenced by the house it's in. If that same moon was instead aspected by a square to neptune and one square to pluto instead(this is just theory, so nvm if it's possible for a now living person), that moon would be influenced by neptunian and plutonian energy, hence getting to keep less of its taurian energy. Which means that that neptunian and plutonian energy will be carried with that moon on a day to day basis...making these energies very influential in day to day life for the native.
So, the personal planets are always used by the native, while the outer planets can have a lot of influence on these planets(which, again, are always used by the native)...if there are aspects between them. As I have understood it.
Am I babbling? Please tell me to clarify if it's completely unreadable.πclick to expand
I have Pluto in the 8th.
Nuff said.
Nuff said.
Posted by fallendarkangelWhat can I say, it's fun!πPosted by HappyCapperAre you serious? :O You're pretty good. I really need to review the astrology lessons I've read. Hahaha. πPosted by fallendarkangelWell, this is just how I have understood what I have read; I'm not an astrologer and I'm also pretty new to this. I have just nerded in on it pretty badly, so I have read a lot - but I'm still pretty new to it.πPosted by HappyCapperWow! Thanks for a more detailed explanation. I got it now. π I'm just a newbie in Astrology and I really liked to learn more. Actually you're really good in explaining the concept. π
@fallendarkangel
The personal planets are used more directly by the native in everyday life, but they don't influence the rest of the chart as much. I agree with you in that the signs of the outer planets make less of a difference, as they are generational. The outer planets, as I see it, are of use when they touch other, and most importantly, personal planets - they influence them according to the rule that a planet is influenced pretty much only by a slower moving planet. It could have some influence from a faster moving planet as well, such as venus giving warmth to mars, for instance, but not real, hands on influence. This is, imo, why it's all about aspects.
If you for instance have a moon in taurus with the only aspect being a conjunction with your sun in the same sign, for instance, that taurus moon will be pure taurus and pretty much only influenced by the house it's in. If that same moon was instead aspected by a square to neptune and one square to pluto instead(this is just theory, so nvm if it's possible for a now living person), that moon would be influenced by neptunian and plutonian energy, hence getting to keep less of its taurian energy. Which means that that neptunian and plutonian energy will be carried with that moon on a day to day basis...making these energies very influential in day to day life for the native.
So, the personal planets are always used by the native, while the outer planets can have a lot of influence on these planets(which, again, are always used by the native)...if there are aspects between them. As I have understood it.
Am I babbling? Please tell me to clarify if it's completely unreadable.πclick to expand
Posted by Quantum*inhales sharply*
I have Pluto in the 8th.
Nuff said.
*drops jaw*
*feels faint*
*falls to floor*
Posted by HappyCapperStrong weed?Posted by Quantum*inhales sharply*
I have Pluto in the 8th.
Nuff said.
*drops jaw*
*feels faint*
*falls to floor*click to expand
Posted by QuantumLOL Just got really emotional when you broke the news, and your "Nuff said" told me not to speak, so I had to show my intense feelings instead. *nods repeatedly*Posted by HappyCapperStrong weed?Posted by Quantum*inhales sharply*
I have Pluto in the 8th.
Nuff said.
*drops jaw*
*feels faint*
*falls to floor*click to expand
Posted by HappyCapperLOLPosted by QuantumLOL Just got really emotional when you broke the news, and your "Nuff said" told me not to speak, so I had to show my intense feelings instead. *nods repeatedly*Posted by HappyCapperStrong weed?Posted by Quantum*inhales sharply*
I have Pluto in the 8th.
Nuff said.
*drops jaw*
*feels faint*
*falls to floor*click to expand
To be honest the description of Pluto in the Eighth made me laugh. It was SO not me.
But astrologically it's a strong Plutonian placement especially with my sun and moon being Scorpio.
@HappyCapper How are you?
Posted by QuantumReally? Before I changed to another house system I had mine in the 5th. SO not me...unfortunately - I kind of liked it there in theory. Do you have any pluto aspects? Sounds to me like it would make a difference in those, in that case.Posted by HappyCapperLOLPosted by QuantumLOL Just got really emotional when you broke the news, and your "Nuff said" told me not to speak, so I had to show my intense feelings instead. *nods repeatedly*Posted by HappyCapperStrong weed?Posted by Quantum*inhales sharply*
I have Pluto in the 8th.
Nuff said.
*drops jaw*
*feels faint*
*falls to floor*
To be honest the description of Pluto in the Eighth made me laugh. It was SO not me.
But astrologically it's a strong Plutonian placement especially with my sun and moon being Scorpio.click to expand
Is it very close to your 9th, per chance?
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