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Who do you Think would be Considered to be a Plutonian Person? (Page 4)
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Posted by nevesVery! Agreed.
That color horoscope seems highly inaccurate. IMO.
Posted by ElleDuMondeOoo! Vesta! So, you're one of those Vestanians? Cool!😏
on that color horoscope I'm
1. Venus
2. Pluto
3. Vesta
The only consistency across all methods I've looked at has been venus.
Posted by cheekyfaerieSo why would you be mistaken for a fire sign?Posted by HappyCapperYep and nope. Air house. Fire's the element I most lack. *shrugs*Posted by cheekyfaerieOh, I'm not surprised by the plutonian/saturnian stuff. I was merely wondering why you would be mistaken for a fire sign. Aren't you a scorpio rising? Is your pluto in a fire house?Posted by HappyCapperHa. It's really not that interesting. Just saying when you see all my Scorpio and Pluto, with their aspects, it's not hard to see why I have more Pluto than Saturn. Likewise my Sag in Neptune in the First explains the Fire.Posted by cheekyfaeriePost it!🙂Posted by HappyCapperEh. It makes sense when you see my chart.Posted by cheekyfaerieLOL Not confusing at all.😄
Ha. My Pluto edges out my Saturn, but I still get mistaken for a Fire sign. 😆
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Posted by HappyCapperI thirdly..agree. : )Posted by nevesVery! Agreed.
That color horoscope seems highly inaccurate. IMO.click to expand
Posted by MohiniHehehePosted by HappyCapperI thirdly..agree. : )Posted by nevesVery! Agreed.
That color horoscope seems highly inaccurate. IMO.
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Posted by everlynnastro.com - Extended Chart Selection - Pullen/Astrolog - simple chart delineation by Walter Pullen(in the drop down list)
I'm not a hundred percent sure how to look it up. I remember someone did it for me I had no Pluto aspects. I think. But that was when I had my ascendant wrong. But I know for sure I have a weak Pluto.
Posted by everlynnYou have asked this so many times, so let's figure it out once and for all. I'll walk you through it.Posted by HappyCapperI tried. I give up.Posted by everlynnastro.com - Extended Chart Selection - Pullen/Astrolog - simple chart delineation by Walter Pullen(in the drop down list)
I'm not a hundred percent sure how to look it up. I remember someone did it for me I had no Pluto aspects. I think. But that was when I had my ascendant wrong. But I know for sure I have a weak Pluto.
But no I'm not plutonian anyway. But thanks anyway.click to expand
How far did you make it in the chain?
Posted by ElleDuMondeHis software is Open Source (GPL - to be more exact), and the source code available on his site:
Pullen seems to keep his exact formula super secret....pfft scorpios.
On Pullen...my top three of signs/planets
1. Venus
2. Sun
3. Neptune
1. Libra
2. Scorpio
3. Pisces
The only reason I think my sun is in there is because it's in my 1st house.....which is weird because Sun is really representative of the 5th house (leo) and that house is empty.
http://www.astrolog.org/astrolog/astfile.htm
I you know a programmer, he/she - might be able to do so reverse engineering on that and find out the exact formula. Though, to me it seems pretty decent.
It's true that the Sun is representative for Leo and the 5'th House - but the Sun feels at home in any position where it can shine. And the ASC - is one of the best placements for the Sun to shine, unless it's debilitated by some challenging aspects. The ASC is the outer shell (the external nature) - while the Sun is ones inner nature, and if this two are combined - one can be on the outside same as on the inside. The natal house of Scorpio (the 8'th house) - is one of the weakest position for the Sun, since - it's a very private/intimate position. Let me put it this way... expressing an 8'th house Sun - can be as hard as revealing ones genitalia. That's something that comes easier - only with an intimate partner. So, yeah - the Sun feels quite at home even in the 1'st house - cause it can shine freely. I don't know how it ranks based aspects - but based on its position - it should rank pretty high. While the sum of the two (position + aspects) - it's how it ranks as a whole in the Pullen chart. Your Venus could be heavily aspected. And If it's in Libra/Taurus or 2nd/7th house - it can lift Libra in rank.
In the 5'th house - the Sun can act as a catalyst - as an innate source of creativity. This individuals will always be child-like to some extent - and that, indeed, is the true nature of the Sun. Since that's the only way we can be creative - through our inner-child. ^^
Posted by HappyCapperI can't if that topic was deleted (or the account). My posts disappeared. :S
Ah, okay, I see. Well, you do tend to explain things very well, so I'm sure it was a good one. Do know a link, or two, on that topic, that I could read?
Posted by nevesThanks for sharing! *drools*Posted by ElleDuMondeHis software is Open Source (GPL - to be more exact), and the source code available on his site:
Pullen seems to keep his exact formula super secret....pfft scorpios.
On Pullen...my top three of signs/planets
1. Venus
2. Sun
3. Neptune
1. Libra
2. Scorpio
3. Pisces
The only reason I think my sun is in there is because it's in my 1st house.....which is weird because Sun is really representative of the 5th house (leo) and that house is empty.
http://www.astrolog.org/astrolog/astfile.htm</strong>
I you know a programmer, he/she - might be able to do so reverse engineering on that and find out the exact formula. Though, to me it seems pretty decent.
It's true that the Sun is representative for Leo and the 5'th House - but the Sun feels at home in any position where it can shine. And the ASC - is one of the best placements for the Sun to shine, unless it's debilitated by some challenging aspects. The ASC is the outer shell (the external nature) - while the Sun is ones inner nature, and if this two are combined - one can be on the outside same as on the inside. The natal house of Scorpio (the 8'th house) - is one of the weakest position for the Sun, since - it's a very private/intimate position. Let me put it this way... expressing an 8'th house Sun - can be as hard as revealing ones genitalia. That's something that comes easier - only with an intimate partner. So, yeah - the Sun feels quite at home even in the 1'st house - cause it can shine freely. I don't know how it ranks based aspects - but based on its position - it should rank pretty high. While the sum of the two (position + aspects) - it's how it ranks as a whole in the Pullen chart. Your Venus could be heavily aspected. And If it's in Libra/Taurus or 2nd/7th house - it can lift Libra in rank.
In the 5'th house - the Sun can act as a catalyst - as an innate source of creativity. This individuals will always be child-like to some extent - and that, indeed, is the true nature of the Sun. Since that's the only way we can be creative - through our inner-child. ^^
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Posted by LuckyLibra979Yup.
Smh this is what im saying. Ppl get desperate for an identity. Whats wrong with yours?
Posted by nevesOh, I was thinking about where you might have gotten the info from. Or was it a mix of what you're learnt over the years? In that case, do you have any favourite web sites that may hold such info?Posted by HappyCapperI can't if that topic was deleted (or the account). My posts disappeared. :S
Ah, okay, I see. Well, you do tend to explain things very well, so I'm sure it was a good one. Do know a link, or two, on that topic, that I could read?click to expand
Posted by everlynnOkay. Gl.🙂Posted by HappyCapperHappyCapper I did that thing whatever it is you told me. And I can't remember what happened next. But it couldn't find how to do it or where to go. My mind function on an 80 year old level. I'll have to go back to it whenever I get some more time.Posted by everlynnYou have asked this so many times, so let's figure it out once and for all. I'll walk you through it.Posted by HappyCapperI tried. I give up.Posted by everlynnastro.com - Extended Chart Selection - Pullen/Astrolog - simple chart delineation by Walter Pullen(in the drop down list)
I'm not a hundred percent sure how to look it up. I remember someone did it for me I had no Pluto aspects. I think. But that was when I had my ascendant wrong. But I know for sure I have a weak Pluto.
But no I'm not plutonian anyway. But thanks anyway.
How far did you make it in the chain?click to expand
Yes but they are still all different depending on Sign and so on...
I am extremely plutonian or as I would like to think Wednesday Adam-ish. I am a guy though...
If you have your ac... it will show more outerly... or Sun there with pluto...
Mercury will be more about writing.
I have Pluto retro in the 8th house of Scorpio. My Mars and Saturn are also there but in the 9th house of scorpio due to my rising being 27 something degree in Aqua.
My Mars aspects my Sun in Aries which amps this up as they are the same ruler and fire of the sun...
My Mercury is opposite pluto... Which my Mercury is in Aries. Which means I write about the occult but have to learn how to use it correctly for time and place. Hitler actually had his speaking ability from Mercury in Aries but 7th house... Mine shows I will talk about this kinda stuff but also not as much until have Saturn return. Which has been true although I have studied it longer.
My Mars and Saturn in Scorpio. Sextile my Piscesmoon conj. my Venus in less then one degree. The orb size increases in a friendly sign with friendly planets... even more so the moon... Lilith conj. them to being less then 7 degrees away. Lilith in Pisces is a very watery placement and Lilith is know as the dark moon and I believe also affects scorpio or to have a Plutonian affect.
I however would not seem this way at first because I am a rising Aqua.
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I am extremely plutonian or as I would like to think Wednesday Adam-ish. I am a guy though...
If you have your ac... it will show more outerly... or Sun there with pluto...
Mercury will be more about writing.
I have Pluto retro in the 8th house of Scorpio. My Mars and Saturn are also there but in the 9th house of scorpio due to my rising being 27 something degree in Aqua.
My Mars aspects my Sun in Aries which amps this up as they are the same ruler and fire of the sun...
My Mercury is opposite pluto... Which my Mercury is in Aries. Which means I write about the occult but have to learn how to use it correctly for time and place. Hitler actually had his speaking ability from Mercury in Aries but 7th house... Mine shows I will talk about this kinda stuff but also not as much until have Saturn return. Which has been true although I have studied it longer.
My Mars and Saturn in Scorpio. Sextile my Piscesmoon conj. my Venus in less then one degree. The orb size increases in a friendly sign with friendly planets... even more so the moon... Lilith conj. them to being less then 7 degrees away. Lilith in Pisces is a very watery placement and Lilith is know as the dark moon and I believe also affects scorpio or to have a Plutonian affect.
I however would not seem this way at first because I am a rising Aqua.
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Posted by ShinzoAgree... however it will be dominate it still will be flavored different with each sign or other placements in the chart.Posted by firebunnyTotally agree with this. Using Pullen Astrology, If Pluto is ranked one of your top 3.. Definitely consider you as plutonian. I have Pluto ranked as my 4th.. now because Pluto Rx conjunct my descendant, this is how I deal with other people. My Mars is square Pluto Rx, Moon in tight sextile to Pluto Rx, Mercury is parallel to Zero degrees Pluto by declination = Conjunct (which many notable astrologer consider as just as strong and sometimes stronger, see link below for explanation), I also feel very plutonian in me personal life and not just saying it to feel special. Its been a blessing and a curse.
i think it is aspects to pluto and if they have pluto in top 3 pullen i will accept those as valid plutonians
http://aliceportman.com/declinations/ ''As declinations are a measurement from the Earth’s equator, parallels give the ability to manifest things on Earth. I consider them a particularly strong ‘aspect’.''
You have a lot to learn @HappyCapper if you think one comment by someone defines you as being Plutonian. Several aspects can define you as Plutonian, not just one. Yes, Having Pluto in your first or conjunct your ascendant is very potent but they way you speak (mercury in hard aspect) might not be, the way you love (Venus in hard aspect), the way you act (Mars in hard aspect) might not be and so on. It's all relative and depends your chartclick to expand
I was 1 for plutonian in Pullen Astrology.... However add Lilith with my Pisces Moon and Venus... it is close... I don't think they factor in lilith as much and I don't blame them... but Lilith in Pisces is extremely strong vs other sizes that even it out or lessen it.
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@neves
Thank you very much! Think I've watched every one of her videos already and I have googled endlessly. I do make my own intepretations, but I want to look outside that as well, as others are so much more experienced than I am and so I would like to learn from them - so you could say I do both.
I find her videos to be either very good or jaw droppingly bad. BUT, I feel I'm too much of a noob to be able to judge that properly. But I think it's totally worth it to listen to her videos because of the gems amidst the piles.
Thank you for your input! It's always interesting to read your posts.🙂
Thank you very much! Think I've watched every one of her videos already and I have googled endlessly. I do make my own intepretations, but I want to look outside that as well, as others are so much more experienced than I am and so I would like to learn from them - so you could say I do both.
I find her videos to be either very good or jaw droppingly bad. BUT, I feel I'm too much of a noob to be able to judge that properly. But I think it's totally worth it to listen to her videos because of the gems amidst the piles.
Thank you for your input! It's always interesting to read your posts.🙂
Posted by FragranceMoon in the 8th house is strong... The AC should make this visible more then some other... people may see you as emo-ish with a darker hue. We all have it with some this... however it may show more in the way you think because of the Moon. 8th house is basically Scorpio but what is the sign in that house where moon is placed... That could even the energy out much more... and take of such a powerful placement. Say if it was in an Earth sign or Gemini.Posted by exxtasyxDo you think Pluto in the first is a more powerful placement than another planet in the first? I'm not surePosted by FragranceThey're both #1 for me. *giggles*
Dominant Pluto? I would be: Scorpio and Pluto rank first in Pullen
But to answer the question of this thread... I don't think most people are Plutonian. I don't think most Scorpio Suns are even Plutonian.
A Plutonian's life is a disaster. You are stripped of everything you worked for. You live a certain kind of life for 7-8 years, then complete chaos happens, you lose everything, including yourself - and then you have to build a new life from scratch. You'll live that life for another 8-10 years, and then it happens AGAIN. This bullshit is the most fucked up thing a person can experience. But you do get stronger and wiser after each experience. And you become a completely different person each time it happens.
I also think Pluto in the 1st House is a very, very powerful placement. Even if you have very little Pluto in your chart, if you have it in your 1st House, you WILL experience this bullshit.
I have it though + Ascendant + Moon in the 8th + Pluto major aspects. Many people have much more Scorpio energy that that... I can't even imagine what it's like living their livesclick to expand
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Posted by piscesmoon2Thank you for your response!🙂
Yes but they are still all different depending on Sign and so on...
I am extremely plutonian or as I would like to think Wednesday Adam-ish. I am a guy though...
If you have your ac... it will show more outerly... or Sun there with pluto...
Mercury will be more about writing.
I have Pluto retro in the 8th house of Scorpio. My Mars and Saturn are also there but in the 9th house of scorpio due to my rising being 27 something degree in Aqua.
My Mars aspects my Sun in Aries which amps this up as they are the same ruler and fire of the sun...
My Mercury is opposite pluto... Which my Mercury is in Aries. Which means I write about the occult but have to learn how to use it correctly for time and place. Hitler actually had his speaking ability from Mercury in Aries but 7th house... Mine shows I will talk about this kinda stuff but also not as much until have Saturn return. Which has been true although I have studied it longer.
My Mars and Saturn in Scorpio. Sextile my Piscesmoon conj. my Venus in less then one degree. The orb size increases in a friendly sign with friendly planets... even more so the moon... Lilith conj. them to being less then 7 degrees away. Lilith in Pisces is a very watery placement and Lilith is know as the dark moon and I believe also affects scorpio or to have a Plutonian affect.
I however would not seem this way at first because I am a rising Aqua.
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So, you have Pluto, Mars and Saturn in scorpio with pluto also in the 8th. Your Mercury is also opposite Pluto.
The effect your sun, moon and venus have from pluto, as I understand it, is through aspects to planets in scorpio - do you really count those?
In what way does lilith correlate to pluto/scorpio.
Since everyone seems to have a different theory about what they believe the definition of being Plutonian is, I'm not going to pretend to know whether you're Plutonian or not, I just wouldn't personally have considered that to be extremely Plutonian...unless you left something out. But you seem to have done this a lot longer than I have, and I'm eager to learn, so if you would like to elaborate, I'd love to listen!
Posted by everlynnAh. Great! You got it!🙂Posted by HappyCapperGot it.Posted by everlynnOkay. Gl.🙂Posted by HappyCapperHappyCapper I did that thing whatever it is you told me. And I can't remember what happened next. But it couldn't find how to do it or where to go. My mind function on an 80 year old level. I'll have to go back to it whenever I get some more time.Posted by everlynnYou have asked this so many times, so let's figure it out once and for all. I'll walk you through it.Posted by HappyCapperI tried. I give up.Posted by everlynnastro.com - Extended Chart Selection - Pullen/Astrolog - simple chart delineation by Walter Pullen(in the drop down list)
I'm not a hundred percent sure how to look it up. I remember someone did it for me I had no Pluto aspects. I think. But that was when I had my ascendant wrong. But I know for sure I have a weak Pluto.
But no I'm not plutonian anyway. But thanks anyway.
How far did you make it in the chain?
Mercury
Moon
Saturn
In that order.
Pluto is very weak. As I stated.
So no I guess I'm not plutonian.click to expand
Nothing wrong with not being a Plutonian - consider it a blessing.🙂
Posted by piscesmoon2Yes, I appear "dark", uninterested (this I can really be to be honest) or just reserved. However, not always... because sometimes I feel the urge to share my optimism with othersPosted by FragranceMoon in the 8th house is strong... The AC should make this visible more then some other... people may see you as emo-ish with a darker hue. We all have it with some this... however it may show more in the way you think because of the Moon. 8th house is basically Scorpio but what is the sign in that house where moon is placed... That could even the energy out much more... and take of such a powerful placement. Say if it was in an Earth sign or Gemini.Posted by exxtasyxDo you think Pluto in the first is a more powerful placement than another planet in the first? I'm not surePosted by FragranceThey're both #1 for me. *giggles*
Dominant Pluto? I would be: Scorpio and Pluto rank first in Pullen
But to answer the question of this thread... I don't think most people are Plutonian. I don't think most Scorpio Suns are even Plutonian.
A Plutonian's life is a disaster. You are stripped of everything you worked for. You live a certain kind of life for 7-8 years, then complete chaos happens, you lose everything, including yourself - and then you have to build a new life from scratch. You'll live that life for another 8-10 years, and then it happens AGAIN. This bullshit is the most fucked up thing a person can experience. But you do get stronger and wiser after each experience. And you become a completely different person each time it happens.
I also think Pluto in the 1st House is a very, very powerful placement. Even if you have very little Pluto in your chart, if you have it in your 1st House, you WILL experience this bullshit.
I have it though + Ascendant + Moon in the 8th + Pluto major aspects. Many people have much more Scorpio energy that that... I can't even imagine what it's like living their lives
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no... it's in Cancer lol
But I'm not exceptionally traditional and I'm not clingy. I just want my space that's all 😄
Thank you for the feedback. :-)
Posted by HappyCapperWell thank you for your interest... lolPosted by piscesmoon2Thank you for your response!🙂
Yes but they are still all different depending on Sign and so on...
I am extremely plutonian or as I would like to think Wednesday Adam-ish. I am a guy though...
If you have your ac... it will show more outerly... or Sun there with pluto...
Mercury will be more about writing.
I have Pluto retro in the 8th house of Scorpio. My Mars and Saturn are also there but in the 9th house of scorpio due to my rising being 27 something degree in Aqua.
My Mars aspects my Sun in Aries which amps this up as they are the same ruler and fire of the sun...
My Mercury is opposite pluto... Which my Mercury is in Aries. Which means I write about the occult but have to learn how to use it correctly for time and place. Hitler actually had his speaking ability from Mercury in Aries but 7th house... Mine shows I will talk about this kinda stuff but also not as much until have Saturn return. Which has been true although I have studied it longer.
My Mars and Saturn in Scorpio. Sextile my Piscesmoon conj. my Venus in less then one degree. The orb size increases in a friendly sign with friendly planets... even more so the moon... Lilith conj. them to being less then 7 degrees away. Lilith in Pisces is a very watery placement and Lilith is know as the dark moon and I believe also affects scorpio or to have a Plutonian affect.
I however would not seem this way at first because I am a rising Aqua.
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So, you have Pluto, Mars and Saturn in scorpio with pluto also in the 8th. Your Mercury is also opposite Pluto.
The effect your sun, moon and venus have from pluto, as I understand it, is through aspects to planets in scorpio - do you really count those?
In what way does lilith correlate to pluto/scorpio.
Since everyone seems to have a different theory about what they believe the definition of being Plutonian is, I'm not going to pretend to know whether you're Plutonian or not, I just wouldn't personally have considered that to be extremely Plutonian...unless you left something out. But you seem to have done this a lot longer than I have, and I'm eager to learn, so if you would like to elaborate, I'd love to listen!click to expand
I actually have A/C as well Sextile pluto as well... I have a very interesting weird chart.
http://darkstarastrology.com/pluto-ascendant-aspects/
Lilith in Pisces... Sounds a lot like Scorpioish and pluto. So it is friendly to the energy... Water to water... in watery house of 2... evens are more watery normally 2 is not the most water or anything... Not as watery ho
Well thank you for your interest... lol
I actually have A/C as well Sextile pluto as well... I have a very interesting weird chart.
http://darkstarastrology.com/pluto-ascendant-aspects/
Lilith in Pisces... Sounds a lot like Scorpioish and pluto. So it is friendly to the energy... Water to water... in watery house of 2... evens are more watery normally 2 is not the most water or anything... Not as watery houses are more like air or fire odd... with the exception of the 11 house Aqua... It is a power number... it is the same with Earth. Capricorn is the Sea Neph. So it is the watery of the earth signs... These houses are all the hire house in progression of ruling houses... Sag... is more open but more in a Scorpio fire way... still not very watery although open... to the ideas.
http://sanjaperic.com/2005/04/28/lilith-in-pisces/
I have studied astrology for a number of years... Aquarius are normally the Sciences spaces... So my Rising Aqua... shows that with Uranus mid heaven. Uranus was the god of the sky responsible for creating the Titans... With the Earth... If you Have Uranus conj. mid heaven is is kinda exulted.
I use it to make people more respective to what I have to say... astrology is fun and no one really think of it as hard core occultish... I new a psychic that used playing cards not Tarot for this reason.
Yes I would say I am one of the strongest plutonian people I know of... there are a few more on here that would rival me though... and my uncle is a 12 house Scorpio Sun... very plutonian... You have to remember that some of these people maybe spiritual through religions of different types. Often they relate to the message because they are INFJ ish... I have seen other INFJ with less Scorpio but just as much water to equal them out.
Basically my chart has many exulted points though houses, planets, or Signs...
I honestly thought as I was growing up everyone thought like me until around 7 then started to get I was different. It took me a long time for me to except myself as I am not as I thought I should fit in... Now that I have embraced it I am very strong and work with my environment much better.
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I actually have A/C as well Sextile pluto as well... I have a very interesting weird chart.
http://darkstarastrology.com/pluto-ascendant-aspects/
Lilith in Pisces... Sounds a lot like Scorpioish and pluto. So it is friendly to the energy... Water to water... in watery house of 2... evens are more watery normally 2 is not the most water or anything... Not as watery houses are more like air or fire odd... with the exception of the 11 house Aqua... It is a power number... it is the same with Earth. Capricorn is the Sea Neph. So it is the watery of the earth signs... These houses are all the hire house in progression of ruling houses... Sag... is more open but more in a Scorpio fire way... still not very watery although open... to the ideas.
http://sanjaperic.com/2005/04/28/lilith-in-pisces/
I have studied astrology for a number of years... Aquarius are normally the Sciences spaces... So my Rising Aqua... shows that with Uranus mid heaven. Uranus was the god of the sky responsible for creating the Titans... With the Earth... If you Have Uranus conj. mid heaven is is kinda exulted.
I use it to make people more respective to what I have to say... astrology is fun and no one really think of it as hard core occultish... I new a psychic that used playing cards not Tarot for this reason.
Yes I would say I am one of the strongest plutonian people I know of... there are a few more on here that would rival me though... and my uncle is a 12 house Scorpio Sun... very plutonian... You have to remember that some of these people maybe spiritual through religions of different types. Often they relate to the message because they are INFJ ish... I have seen other INFJ with less Scorpio but just as much water to equal them out.
Basically my chart has many exulted points though houses, planets, or Signs...
I honestly thought as I was growing up everyone thought like me until around 7 then started to get I was different. It took me a long time for me to except myself as I am not as I thought I should fit in... Now that I have embraced it I am very strong and work with my environment much better.
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Posted by FragrancePosted by piscesmoon2Posted by FragrancePosted by exxtasyxNo problem... yes it helps even out the Cancers... Plutoish people can be very realistic and so our emotions can be hard to move at times. However the closer the ties the easier because we are very loyal people normally.Posted by FragranceThey're both #1 for me. *giggles*
Dominant Pluto? I would be: Scorpio and Pluto rank first in Pullen
But to answer the question of this thread... I don't think most people are Plutonian. I don't think most Scorpio Suns are even Plutonian.
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Posted by everlynnThey way mine works as transits come around... because my Saturn was in Scorpio I was hiding most of how I am... and to some people I still do... I have said and done some amazing things here or there... I still find them odd. After Saturn has transited though Scorpio because I am 32 it... I basically had to except and embrace my nature. I do charts for people all over... normally can pick up on thing. Said things to people that they relate to without knowing anything... people crying kinda things. I don't try to make it a public thing less know the better... It is not about me but them. I need to use it to help understand my life better as well to... as many complications have happened in my life but also learned from them...
LOL why you say consider it a blessing? Is it that bad?
It can't possibly be as bad as saturian.
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Sorry I thought you where saying Saturian as in pluto placements being hard... There is not good and bad just like there is no darkness only an absents of light. Albert Einstein... Some of his words but don't remember the quote all the way... See some are more sensitive then others... Saturn people bring the rest of us back to earth help keep us orderly. However sometimes they will be mixed with stuff like pluto which means you will do this for these kinda people more then other by relating.
We are all exactly where we need to be.
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We are all exactly where we need to be.
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Posted by HappyCapperGreat! Haha. I also love this combination. People think I'm very mysterious since I'm always in deep thought and my actions are always calculated. Lol 😄Posted by fallendarkangelThat is a beautiful combo! (...or in other words: me too😏)
In Pullen:
Pluto: 58.5 ( 2) + 36.0 ( 2) = 94.5 ( 1) / 13.5%
Sun: 50.0 ( 3) + 28.5 ( 4) = 78.5 ( 2) / 11.2%
Uranus: 65.0 ( 1) + 9.8 ( 9) = 74.8 ( 3) / 10.7
Saturn: 50.0 ( 4) + 19.0 ( 5) = 69.0 ( 4) / 9.8
Capricorn: 121.7 ( 1) / 17.4%
Aquarius: 108.2 ( 2) / 15.4%
Pisces: 96.1 ( 3) / 13.7%
Scorpio: 81.3 ( 4) / 11.6%
I have Pluto aspecting my four angles and 2 luminaries.
But I have a strong 10th House and 3 planets (Venus, Mars, Neptune) are in Cap, so I am Capricornian- Plutonianclick to expand
Posted by ElleDuMondeI got 62 points, but I didn't include the Alpha Dog. I don't know how to identify it. Lol. ‚
here is a test
https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/how-strong-is-your-pluto-heres-the-score/
(I forgot to include my Uranus sextile Pluto haha)
Posted by HappyCapperWell i don't have a strong mercury. Not many aspects to it anyhow-Posted by SkittyAh. Thank you.🙂 May I ask, what did you mean by "I think it's mainly due to ascendants."Posted by HappyCapperI am not sure how exactly Pullen calculates it.Posted by PlaguedThis is interesting. Would you care to elaborate on the bold text? In what way do you feel Pullen is wrong? And also, what features in your chart, makes you plutonian, in your opinion?
Haha well pullen calculates based off of a few things aspects etc. So to say "if pluto isn't in your top you aren't plutonian" is a tad bit silly in a sense.
At least for me it wouldn't be plausible to dismiss plutonian influence. Wherever that sag is coming from I don't feel it.
Based off positions and aspects
1) venus = 71.5
2) sun = 70.2
3) mercury = 68.4
4) pluto = 59.8
Signs power and ranking
1) Libra = 123.4
2) Scorpio = 83.3
3) Leo = 63.3
4) sagittarius = 53.6
Sorry guys ima jump on the pluto bandwagon cause I can.
My order-
Leo/Scorp/Aqua
Mercury/Sun/Pluto
Uranus is 4th, Saturn is 9th-
I think it's mainly due to ascendants.
click to expand
But- It rules my ascendant
I think they base it on ascendant + stelliums
My Venus literally touches most everything in my chart- I have double the amount of aspects to it than any other planet, yet it's only ranked 8th. - and i identify more with my Venus than i do with any other planet.... so /shrug
Posted by SassyKiwiSo overrated in my opinion.. now Neptunian, that's where its at lol. Jk 😄
Plutonians are those who have
- Pluto as their chart ruler
- 8th house stellium
- Personal planets with hard aspects to Pluto
- Pluto in the 1st house
- Scorpio stellium
No weak sextile or trine shit
Also there's nothing special about them and their lives aren't extraordinarily full of hardships or mystery
Posted by HappyCapperA quick input.. Are you all certain you have ticked the additional objects applicable before creating your chart. In my previous comment, I mentioned Pluto was ranked 4th but including all the additional objects which I can't believe I forgot to do, shows its actually ranked 3rd. These little anomalies make a difference. Also, Pullen does not take into account declinations (correct me if I'm wrong) which is very important in astrology nowadays. Pullen is a great tool for measurement but should still be seen as a work in progress if not already.Posted by PlaguedThis is interesting. Would you care to elaborate on the bold text? In what way do you feel Pullen is wrong? And also, what features in your chart, makes you plutonian, in your opinion?
Haha well pullen calculates based off of a few things aspects etc. So to say "if pluto isn't in your top you aren't plutonian" is a tad bit silly in a sense.
At least for me it wouldn't be plausible to dismiss plutonian influence. Wherever that sag is coming from I don't feel it.
Based off positions and aspects
1) venus = 71.5
2) sun = 70.2
3) mercury = 68.4
4) pluto = 59.8
Signs power and ranking
1) Libra = 123.4
2) Scorpio = 83.3
3) Leo = 63.3
4) sagittarius = 53.6
Sorry guys ima jump on the pluto bandwagon cause I can.click to expand
Posted by SassyKiwiIf I may add, Pluto or Scorpio in any angular houses (1st, 4th, 7th and 10th)
Plutonians are those who have
- Pluto as their chart ruler
- 8th house stellium
- Personal planets with hard aspects to Pluto
- Pluto in the 1st house
- Scorpio stellium
No weak sextile or trine butter
Also there's nothing special about them and their lives aren't extraordinarily full of hardships or mystery
@piscesmoon2
I'm sorry, but I don't understand how lilith in pisces is scorpionic or plutonic. Water is indeed friendly with water, but that doesn't mean that a scorpio is cancarian or that piscean energy is scorpionic. Pisces is pisces, not scorpio.
And also, again, do you mean that a planet would be plutonian because it's aspected by other planets that are situated in scorpio? Do you also count aspects to planets situated in the 8th house? Or planets aspected by planets that are aspected to pluto? It just seems a tad far fetched for me. Do you know a link where I could read about this?
Sorry for all these questions, but I don't get it and I would really like to. Thanks for your replies and for your patience.🙂
I'm sorry, but I don't understand how lilith in pisces is scorpionic or plutonic. Water is indeed friendly with water, but that doesn't mean that a scorpio is cancarian or that piscean energy is scorpionic. Pisces is pisces, not scorpio.
And also, again, do you mean that a planet would be plutonian because it's aspected by other planets that are situated in scorpio? Do you also count aspects to planets situated in the 8th house? Or planets aspected by planets that are aspected to pluto? It just seems a tad far fetched for me. Do you know a link where I could read about this?
Sorry for all these questions, but I don't get it and I would really like to. Thanks for your replies and for your patience.🙂
Posted by GetMistedMghhhagh! *drops chin* You could start your own powerplant!Posted by ElleDuMonde97
here is a test
https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/how-strong-is-your-pluto-heres-the-score/
click to expand
Posted by fallendarkangelLOL I forgot my Neptune sextile Pluto.😄Posted by ElleDuMondeI got 62 points, but I didn't include the Alpha Dog. I don't know how to identify it. Lol. ‚
here is a test
https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/how-strong-is-your-pluto-heres-the-score/
(I forgot to include my Uranus sextile Pluto haha)click to expand
Posted by SkittyAh, that's interesting! Thank you!🙂 Seems, your venus must be placed veeery low in the placement column?Posted by HappyCapperWell i don't have a strong mercury. Not many aspects to it anyhow-Posted by SkittyAh. Thank you.🙂 May I ask, what did you mean by "I think it's mainly due to ascendants."Posted by HappyCapperI am not sure how exactly Pullen calculates it.Posted by PlaguedThis is interesting. Would you care to elaborate on the bold text? In what way do you feel Pullen is wrong? And also, what features in your chart, makes you plutonian, in your opinion?
Haha well pullen calculates based off of a few things aspects etc. So to say "if pluto isn't in your top you aren't plutonian" is a tad bit silly in a sense.
At least for me it wouldn't be plausible to dismiss plutonian influence. Wherever that sag is coming from I don't feel it.
Based off positions and aspects
1) venus = 71.5
2) sun = 70.2
3) mercury = 68.4
4) pluto = 59.8
Signs power and ranking
1) Libra = 123.4
2) Scorpio = 83.3
3) Leo = 63.3
4) sagittarius = 53.6
Sorry guys ima jump on the pluto bandwagon cause I can.
My order-
Leo/Scorp/Aqua
Mercury/Sun/Pluto
Uranus is 4th, Saturn is 9th-
I think it's mainly due to ascendants.
But- It rules my ascendant
I think they base it on ascendant + stelliums
My Venus literally touches most everything in my chart- I have double the amount of aspects to it than any other planet, yet it's only ranked 8th. - and i identify more with my Venus than i do with any other planet.... so /shrugclick to expand
Posted by ShinzoThanks.🙂Posted by HappyCapperA quick input.. Are you all certain you have ticked the additional objects applicable before creating your chart. In my previous comment, I mentioned Pluto was ranked 4th but including all the additional objects which I can't believe I forgot to do, shows its actually ranked 3rd. These little anomalies make a difference. Also, Pullen does not take into account declinations (correct me if I'm wrong) which is very important in astrology nowadays. Pullen is a great tool for measurement but should still be seen as a work in progress if not already.Posted by PlaguedThis is interesting. Would you care to elaborate on the bold text? In what way do you feel Pullen is wrong? And also, what features in your chart, makes you plutonian, in your opinion?
Haha well pullen calculates based off of a few things aspects etc. So to say "if pluto isn't in your top you aren't plutonian" is a tad bit silly in a sense.
At least for me it wouldn't be plausible to dismiss plutonian influence. Wherever that sag is coming from I don't feel it.
Based off positions and aspects
1) venus = 71.5
2) sun = 70.2
3) mercury = 68.4
4) pluto = 59.8
Signs power and ranking
1) Libra = 123.4
2) Scorpio = 83.3
3) Leo = 63.3
4) sagittarius = 53.6
Sorry guys ima jump on the pluto bandwagon cause I can.click to expand
I always thought the Pullen program was a finished program. Hmm.
What are these additional objects you feel should be included?
I have 3 planets/asteroids in the 8th house, 2 are in scorpio and the other is already very plutonic if it's in the 8th house. Kinda scarey to read tbh.
Then I have vesta and pluto in the 1st house and they're both in scorpio but it's not my rising sign. Does this make me Plutonian?
How many planets in a house makes it a stellium? 3 or 4?
Then I have vesta and pluto in the 1st house and they're both in scorpio but it's not my rising sign. Does this make me Plutonian?
How many planets in a house makes it a stellium? 3 or 4?
I also have venus trine pluto and neptune sextile pluto
Posted by AriElla7This is just me, but I don't count asteroids at all. There seems to be different opinions on how many planets are in a stellium - some say three, some say four.
I have 3 planets/asteroids in the 8th house, 2 are in scorpio and the other is already very plutonic if it's in the 8th house. Kinda scarey to read tbh.
Then I have vesta and pluto in the 1st house and they're both in scorpio but it's not my rising sign. Does this make me Plutonian?
How many planets in a house makes it a stellium? 3 or 4?
I didn't understand what was in your 8th house and in scorpio, respectively. Would you care to clarify?
Thanks for your reply!🙂
Posted by ElleDuMondei got 50, if i did this correctly. .... so a tiny bit in me 😉
here is a test
https://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/how-strong-is-your-pluto-heres-the-score/
Posted by HappyCapperIt might be finished but doesn't include Declinations as far as i'm aware. Which is another major part/study of astrology as well by Kt Boehrer. If you were born at a time when Pluto is Out of Bounds, which is very rare or at a time when Pluto is at 0-1 degrees of declination which is very potent because these points are on the celestial equator. Declinations is not really talked about in this forum but mainly relationships and what not. That's why I don't bother to argue anymore because knowledge isn't expanded at all on dxpnet. Nothing against you. Maybe I've missed the topic but its just what I've noticed on here.Posted by ShinzoThanks.🙂Posted by HappyCapperA quick input.. Are you all certain you have ticked the additional objects applicable before creating your chart. In my previous comment, I mentioned Pluto was ranked 4th but including all the additional objects which I can't believe I forgot to do, shows its actually ranked 3rd. These little anomalies make a difference. Also, Pullen does not take into account declinations (correct me if I'm wrong) which is very important in astrology nowadays. Pullen is a great tool for measurement but should still be seen as a work in progress if not already.Posted by PlaguedThis is interesting. Would you care to elaborate on the bold text? In what way do you feel Pullen is wrong? And also, what features in your chart, makes you plutonian, in your opinion?
Haha well pullen calculates based off of a few things aspects etc. So to say "if pluto isn't in your top you aren't plutonian" is a tad bit silly in a sense.
At least for me it wouldn't be plausible to dismiss plutonian influence. Wherever that sag is coming from I don't feel it.
Based off positions and aspects
1) venus = 71.5
2) sun = 70.2
3) mercury = 68.4
4) pluto = 59.8
Signs power and ranking
1) Libra = 123.4
2) Scorpio = 83.3
3) Leo = 63.3
4) sagittarius = 53.6
Sorry guys ima jump on the pluto bandwagon cause I can.
I always thought the Pullen program was a finished program. Hmm.
What are these additional objects you feel should be included?click to expand
Just tick everything.. POF, Chiron, Vertex, Pallas etc. I know they are just asteroids and dwarf planet but still important.
Posted by HappyCapperAsteroids in 8th house are chiron pallas and lilith lmao.. Chiron and pallas are scorpio. Pluto and Saturn are scorpio.Posted by AriElla7This is just me, but I don't count asteroids at all. There seems to be different opinions on how many planets are in a stellium - some say three, some say four.
I have 3 planets/asteroids in the 8th house, 2 are in scorpio and the other is already very plutonic if it's in the 8th house. Kinda scarey to read tbh.
Then I have vesta and pluto in the 1st house and they're both in scorpio but it's not my rising sign. Does this make me Plutonian?
How many planets in a house makes it a stellium? 3 or 4?
I didn't understand what was in your 8th house and in scorpio, respectively. Would you care to clarify?
Thanks for your reply!🙂click to expand
The scoring system on ElleDuMonde's link says:
0-10 would be considered low, while 15-30 indicates a moderately strong influence. 30-60, strong, Scores as high as 70, Very strong.
My score: 49
If I don't count asteroids in the 8th house I still come out with a score of 40.
If I add asteroids to "Other planets in Scorpio" I come out with a score of 55.
Either way, I'm between 30-60
Posted by ShadowcatI have two hard aspects to plutoPosted by AriElla74. Do you have any hard aspects?
I have 3 planets/asteroids in the 8th house, 2 are in scorpio and the other is already very plutonic if it's in the 8th house. Kinda scarey to read tbh.
Then I have vesta and pluto in the 1st house and they're both in scorpio but it's not my rising sign. Does this make me Plutonian?
How many planets in a house makes it a stellium? 3 or 4?click to expand
@Shinzo
Okay. Thank you!🙂
Yes, there seems to be different schools and beliefs in astrology. Personally I don't pay much attention to declinations or asteroids, anymore, as I haven't noticed much of an effect of either of them in myself or in other people, tbh. But I don't have a smidge of proof of any of that, so...🙂
Okay. Thank you!🙂
Yes, there seems to be different schools and beliefs in astrology. Personally I don't pay much attention to declinations or asteroids, anymore, as I haven't noticed much of an effect of either of them in myself or in other people, tbh. But I don't have a smidge of proof of any of that, so...🙂
Posted by AriElla7I personally don't count asteroids - I'm even grumpy about astro.com forcing me to include Chiron. lol As I understand it, you're not supposed to include asteroids in "other planets" in that test.Posted by HappyCapperAsteroids in 8th house are chiron pallas and lilith lmao.. Chiron and pallas are scorpio. Pluto and Saturn are scorpio.Posted by AriElla7This is just me, but I don't count asteroids at all. There seems to be different opinions on how many planets are in a stellium - some say three, some say four.
I have 3 planets/asteroids in the 8th house, 2 are in scorpio and the other is already very plutonic if it's in the 8th house. Kinda scarey to read tbh.
Then I have vesta and pluto in the 1st house and they're both in scorpio but it's not my rising sign. Does this make me Plutonian?
How many planets in a house makes it a stellium? 3 or 4?
I didn't understand what was in your 8th house and in scorpio, respectively. Would you care to clarify?
Thanks for your reply!🙂
The scoring system on ElleDuMonde's link says:
0-10 would be considered low, while 15-30 indicates a moderately strong influence. 30-60, strong, Scores as high as 70, Very strong.
My score: 49
If I don't count asteroids in the 8th house I still come out with a score of 40.
If I add asteroids to "Other planets in Scorpio" I come out with a score of 55.
Either way, I'm between 30-60click to expand
Do you feel the test reflected your expectations of it?
Posted by AriElla7Ah.🙂 Which ones, may I ask?Posted by ShadowcatI have two hard aspects to plutoPosted by AriElla74. Do you have any hard aspects?
I have 3 planets/asteroids in the 8th house, 2 are in scorpio and the other is already very plutonic if it's in the 8th house. Kinda scarey to read tbh.
Then I have vesta and pluto in the 1st house and they're both in scorpio but it's not my rising sign. Does this make me Plutonian?
How many planets in a house makes it a stellium? 3 or 4?click to expand
@HappyCapper
If they're not to be included then I guess my score is 40, but Chiron is considered as relevant as small Pluto now..
I didn't really have any expectations but was curious to know, regardless of the results.
My hard aspects are sun and mars. Do you have any? I haven't read the whole topic.
If they're not to be included then I guess my score is 40, but Chiron is considered as relevant as small Pluto now..
I didn't really have any expectations but was curious to know, regardless of the results.
My hard aspects are sun and mars. Do you have any? I haven't read the whole topic.
Astrology is not exactly a science - and definitely not and exact science (like math), so you don't need to be that advanced to judge it properly. It's enough to know the basics (which is basically - the core of astrology) - so you know what they're talking about. Beyond that point, you should be able to tell - based on how much it fits (how much it proves to be to true), while taking in consideration the interpretations of certain placements from your own chart - and your your real life experience. That description should really click to a big extent. Though, it's also worth to take in consideration that - those are general descriptions, and with some knowledge of astrology - you might be able to tell - why they don't fit 100% . Ironically, the most common misconception - is related to Sun signs. Cause, well... apparently there's few people who have a real interest interest in astrology (in depth). Most people seem to think - it's just about the Sun sign, probbaly because it's the only thing they know. The Sun sign might reveal some tendencies - but that's just one part - and sometimes, quite a small part (if it's a debilitated Sun, if it's in a house that doesn't compliment the sign in question or if it's aspected by other planets - which can redefine its nature).
For example: A Taurus Sun in 12'th house in conjunction with Neptune - and opposite Uranus. Taurus is a fixed earth sing - the most grounded of all the other earth signs - the most physical, quite pragmatic and lawful by nature. And yet, the Taurus from that example - is not that grounded, since it's flooded by Neptune's fogy nature - which makes the individual in question more or less unconscious and somehow charming - from afar. While the opposition with Uranus - can influence him to be rebellious as well (antiauthoritarian - for example). With Taurus in 12'th house, his ASC could fall in Gemini too - which makes him a bit wacky and childish - compared to the cautions (safety-driven) and serious nature of a Taurus. Thus, judging someone or asking advices - based on the Sun sign alone - might be pretty pointless/inaccurate.
Even so... the stereotypes can be entertaining - if you're aware - it's just something you do for fun and don't take things to seriously. 🙂
For example: A Taurus Sun in 12'th house in conjunction with Neptune - and opposite Uranus. Taurus is a fixed earth sing - the most grounded of all the other earth signs - the most physical, quite pragmatic and lawful by nature. And yet, the Taurus from that example - is not that grounded, since it's flooded by Neptune's fogy nature - which makes the individual in question more or less unconscious and somehow charming - from afar. While the opposition with Uranus - can influence him to be rebellious as well (antiauthoritarian - for example). With Taurus in 12'th house, his ASC could fall in Gemini too - which makes him a bit wacky and childish - compared to the cautions (safety-driven) and serious nature of a Taurus. Thus, judging someone or asking advices - based on the Sun sign alone - might be pretty pointless/inaccurate.
Even so... the stereotypes can be entertaining - if you're aware - it's just something you do for fun and don't take things to seriously. 🙂
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