@scorpiothebadass
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Who is the Architect of the zodiac signs?
Your mom.
Its a lot more than just the signs. Its an extremely complex and beautiful system of energies/archetypes with a range of positive negative/expressions, associated with the signs/planets, and the transits that are constantly altering their pronouncement/expression. The whole thing looks very obviously like a put-up job, ultimately being based on an underlying geometry. Kinda ridiculous IMO to believe in Astrology, and not accept that there is intrinsic purpose/meaning in the Universe, including a mind/intelligence behind it, particularly when you start delving into the karmic aspects.
Posted by duchesslibro
Your mom.
my mom is a doctor
Ha! I honestly thought you were asking something different.. my other answer was going to be Me, airy peeps are INTP. Hahahahhahaha
Posted by Plato
The Babylonian star catalogues. Western societies' understanding of astrology (and thus, astronomy and anything about the universe) comes from Greece. The Greeks received their knowledge from Egypt. The Egyptians received their knowledge from the Gods, extraterrestrials, astral entities, whatever you want to call them.
As far as I am aware, Babylonian astrology is the oldest *system*, developing as a form of divination (along side the reading of the livers of animals) - and was not a method said to be revealed by the gods. It also is was not individualistic. These folks were not doing birth charts but more so making predictions about the society/nation as a collective, etc. The only ancient reference to Astrology as divinely revealed by celestial beings, that I'm aware of, is in the book of Enoch. And there, it is seen as a sort of forbidden knowledge revealed by fallen angels. What Egyptian sources say that Astrology is divinely revealed?
Posted by duchesslibro
Ha! I honestly thought you were asking something different.. my other answer was going to be Me, airy peeps are INTP. Hahahahhahaha
it cant be you
you are a pussy
Posted by YourFavoriteDXPMember
I believe that the science behind the star and planetary alignments is the work of God.Everything about the Zodiac manifests a classic case of science and religion coming together.
The scientific community doesn't approve of that.
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You're right, of course.
Posted by YourFavoriteDXPMember
I believe that the science behind the star and planetary alignments is the work of God.Everything about the Zodiac manifests a classic case of science and religion coming together.
yeah science is cause follows effect
religion is effect follows cause
and both of them makes sense
God, these people have no idea.
Ophiuchus is the right answer.
...like any other system of beliefs, the collective mind of stupid humans came up with this system.
Posted by Damnata
God, these people have no idea.Ophiuchus is the right answer.
...like any other system of beliefs, the collective mind of stupid humans came up with this system.
You are a virgo you cant understand metaphysical things
You logic its too demanding
What if they teached us astrology cuz of our limit capacity like an easy way how to find them?
She already is here for a reason right?
Im talking about 'them' who created us
This conversation between Plato and thecarcrushingscorpio is fascinating..
Do continue.
Is sarcasm included in the metaphysical? Just a little bit?
I won't get it though.
Well first off, as you may know, natal charts are only a component of astrology.
>>>Major component of modern Astrology, so worth pointing out that we aren't really talking about the same kind of system when we use the word "Astrology" in reference to ancient practice, particularly at its inception.
And the source? There are Egyptian 'Afterlife books' - although scattered, they contain a wealth of knowledge. I have not read them myself.
>>>Any serious study of the history of anything, entails being familiar with the primary sources. What Egyptian afterlife books are you talking about? The Book of the Dead? The Books of the Netherworld? I'm not familiar with Astrology discussed as being divinely revealed in either...I'm not trying to challenge you but genuinely interested in the subject. I've been fascinated with Egypt after smoking weed and watching that Tut mini-series....lolol
Fallen angels, extraterrestrials, astral entities, gods... they are all the same thing.
>>>I"m not saying they aren't; I tend to believe in extraterrestrials, and I don't rule out the possibility that there's been contact with humans; I tend to think there is a lot of credibility in some of the modern UFO sightings, etc. I'd just like to know what the texts say specifically, and what texts.
Enoch states in the book of Enoch that the fallen angels gave us a perverted understanding of the zodiac
>>>Some interpret it that way, yes. And the Hellenization of the Jews took place to such a degree that they were incorporating the zodiac into the mosaic floors of their Synagogues in the first few centuries AD. The Essenes, being a major sect, also give credence to Astrology and weave it into some of their apocalyptic predictions...
Posted by Plato
It is called esoteric and not exoteric for a reason. The bible is an exoteric source so it does mention something the masses can conceptualize easily, fallen angels, as the source. Enoch states in the book of Enoch that the fallen angels gave us a perverted understanding of the zodiac in order to teach us to worship the planets rather than our true Creator, the creator of everything including the planets.
Something like that, yes.
Semjâzâ taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, Armârôs the resolving of enchantments,
Barâqîjâl astrology, Kôkabêl the constellations, Ezêqêêl the knowledge of the clouds,
〈Araqiêl the signs of the earth, Shamsiêl the signs of the sun〉, and Sariêl the course of the moon.
And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . . .
The bible is an exoteric source so it does mention something the masses can conceptualize easily, fallen angels, as the source.
>>>The Bible doesn't mention fallen angels teaching humans astrology. Enoch is intertestamental/pseudepigraphal literature. The Book of Revelation though, actually incorporates a ton of the astrological lure of the day. "John" is seen by some anthropologists as engaging in a type of "astral prophecy" where astronomical phenomena are interpreted symbolically during an altered state of consciousness, e.g., a self-induced trance. Nostradamus incorporated both trance states and Astrology in tandem in his predictions as well, and many modern Astrologers do the same, entering into mediumistic/psychic states while doing readings. This is actually a very ancient practice which was very widespread, again, Astrology having started off as a ritualistic/ceremonial type of divination....
-cont.
Thou seest what Azâzêl hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and revealed
the eternal secrets which were (preserved) in heaven, which men were striving to learn:
And Semjâzâ, to whom Thou hast given authority to bear rule over his associates.
And they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth, and have slept with the women,
and have defiled themselves, and revealed to them all kinds of sins. And the women have
borne giants...
-Book of Enoch
Posted by Montgomery
-cont.Thou seest what Azâzêl hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and revealed
the eternal secrets which were (preserved) in heaven, which men were striving to learn:
And Semjâzâ, to whom Thou hast given authority to bear rule over his associates.
And they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth, and have slept with the women,
and have defiled themselves, and revealed to them all kinds of sins. And the women have
borne giants...
-Book of Enoch
Its interesting the tension and ambiguity there. Because the way the astrological knowledge is revealed, and the time it is revealed is seen as an evil - not necessarily the knowledge itself, which was accepted and used among the Essenes that preserved the Book of Enoch.
Posted by Damnata
Is sarcasm included in the metaphysical? Just a little bit?I won't get it though.
I know you like me
Dont act like you dont
Posted by TaurusLovesScorpio
Posted by Montgomery
-cont.Thou seest what Azâzêl hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and revealed
the eternal secrets which were (preserved) in heaven, which men were striving to learn:
And Semjâzâ, to whom Thou hast given authority to bear rule over his associates.
And they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth, and have slept with the women,
and have defiled themselves, and revealed to them all kinds of sins. And the women have
borne giants...
-Book of Enoch
Its interesting the tension and ambiguity there. Because the way the astrological knowledge is revealed, and the time it is revealed is seen as an evil - not necessarily the knowledge itself, which was accepted and used among the Essenes that preserved the Book of Enoch.
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I thought so, too... which brings in Plato's comment about the perversion.
That is-- was it taught incorrectly, so the 'striving to learn' ceased, and was
the perversion accepted as truth?
I don't know! lol
But I would like to... there is obviously something to the natal chart, itself,
and the influence of the planets on our personalities.
Posted by scorpiothebadass
Posted by Damnata
Is sarcasm included in the metaphysical? Just a little bit?I won't get it though.
I know you like me
Dont act like you dontclick to expand
*sigh*
Posted by duchesslibro
Your mom.
Lol I almost posted that , and then I decided against it
Posted by Damnata
Posted by scorpiothebadass
Posted by Damnata
Is sarcasm included in the metaphysical? Just a little bit?I won't get it though.
I know you like me
Dont act like you dont
*sigh*
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This Scorp sounds familiar....Damnata, I think we need to form a team and clean this board up once again...lol
you are asking a girl to defeat me?
shame on you
Posted by scorpiothebadass
you are asking a girl to defeat me?
shame on you
Not really, but, given your apparent sexism, it does now seem like a good way to shame you though...lol
Posted by Curiousram
Every Taurus i know is good at construction/building stuff.
+1
the earthy signs generally, they create mountains and great pyramids.
wasn't the building of the Pyramids during pluto taurus??
Posted by TaurusLovesScorpio
Posted by Damnata
Posted by scorpiothebadass
Posted by Damnata
Is sarcasm included in the metaphysical? Just a little bit?I won't get it though.
I know you like me
Dont act like you dont
*sigh*
This Scorp sounds familiar....Damnata, I think we need to form a team and clean this board up once again...lol
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Who is the Architect of the zodiac signs?