Live or die

If you were told you were going to die tomorrow, would you be ok with this? A cap friend of mine has said --a few times now-- that he would be ready to go, no problem with that.

I don't get this thinking as I want to live forever.

Is it depression that would make someone think this way or are you caps really this morbid?

I guess it's all subjective in how one views it. To die pointlessly in a tragic car accident doesn't serve a purpose. I would hardly think capricorn Martin Luther Kings death was without meaning, as he was assassinated for fighting for freedom and equality. If he would have survived, his quality of life would have improved. As opposed to trying to do nothing and continuing to live in the same oppressive environment. So I hardly think his efforts were done in vain. So I suppose it's based off the conditions and environment one lives in and what were the terms of the individuals death. There really isn't enough info to put things into perspective. Is your capricorn friend talking about dying for a cause or just needlessly dying? Because there's definitely a difference between those two examples I just cited. Ovid- I grabbed a pile of dust, and holding it up, foolishly asked for as many birthdays as the grains of dust. I forgot to ask that they be years of youth.

Yes, bring it. I haz no regrets.

Posted by M
Morbid by what definition?

I swear this has been posted already, but all I found was the one in Misc.

It was posted by APC, addressing the same issue.

On this case, she probably wants the Cap insight on this..so I am out.

*hugs APC on the way out for clogging her inbox*

Posted by M
Morbid by what definition?

I swear this has been posted already, but all I found was the one in Misc.

I might have asked this previously...

Morbid as is not wanting to live....

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Posted by M
Morbid by what definition?

I swear this has been posted already, but all I found was the one in Misc.

It was posted by APC, addressing the same issue.

On this case, she probably wants the Cap insight on this..so I am out.

*hugs APC on the way out for clogging her inbox*

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Yeah trying to get to the bottom oh this thinking.... 🙂

Posted by mrdesperado
I guess it's all subjective in how one views it. To die pointlessly in a tragic car accident doesn't serve a purpose. I would hardly think capricorn Martin Luther Kings death was without meaning, as he was assassinated for fighting for freedom and equality. If he would have survived, his quality of life would have improved. As opposed to trying to do nothing and continuing to live in the same oppressive environment. So I hardly think his efforts were done in vain. So I suppose it's based off the conditions and environment one lives in and what were the terms of the individuals death. There really isn't enough info to put things into perspective. Is your capricorn friend talking about dying for a cause or just needlessly dying? Because there's definitely a difference between those two examples I just cited. Ovid- I grabbed a pile of dust, and holding it up, foolishly asked for as many birthdays as the grains of dust. I forgot to ask that they be years of youth.

Nah, it's dying as in ready to go. He feels he's been on earth long enough. He's late thirties... That's young to want to go. He seems to have a good life but obviously he has his darkness to deal with.

It's the second time this convo came up. It's worrisome to me.

I don't know why you think it's worrisome. It's his call to make if he wants to end it.

I am of a familiar mindset: I would like to live and experience a lot of things but if Death comes knocking on my door tomorrow..I have no regrets and I'm OK with it. I won't kill myself or anything.

Is the possibility of him committing suicide that worries you? Because his theories on Death are just theories.

My mother who is a cap for example, has battled severe depression all her life. Even through her nightmare of being in and out of the hospital, she never once thought about dying. She had given up and felt paralyzed by her darkness but never wanted her life to end. She always wanted help to get better.

Isn't it instinctive to want to live?

Posted by Damnata
I don't know why you think it's worrisome. It's his call to make if he wants to end it.

I am of a familiar mindset: I would like to live and experience a lot of things but if Death comes knocking on my door tomorrow..I have no regrets and I'm OK with it. I won't kill myself or anything.

Is the possibility of him committing suicide that worries you? Because his theories on Death are just theories.

I guess I struggle with that same thought. I really want to live a long time. I guess I don't understand the mindset.

survival instinct and all that? yes.

But for various reasons some people may perceive this existence as a void..or might feel they've been through a lot and there's nothing new they can experience.

I cannot fault this mindset.

Not taking into account people with depression either as I think their perspective is warped at that point in time..but people who are doing alright and just see no point for it anymore.. I have to assume it's their choice and they thought a lot about it.

Posted by Damnata
survival instinct and all that? yes.

But for various reasons some people may perceive this existence as a void..or might feel they've been through a lot and there's nothing new they can experience.

I cannot fault this mindset.

Not taking into account people with depression either as I think their perspective is warped at that point in time..but people who are doing alright and just see no point for it anymore.. I have to assume it's their choice and they thought a lot about it.

That makes sense when you say they perceive their existence as void... And he had been through a lot.

But lots of people go through tons of shit and they want to live.... Anyway I guess it comes down to how they're wired?

Yup, how they're wired or the environment they've dealt with.

As long as they thought about this and chose it with an open heart..it is essential to be a genuine mindset, unaltered by depression or addictions.

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Posted by mrdesperado
I guess it's all subjective in how one views it. To die pointlessly in a tragic car accident doesn't serve a purpose. I would hardly think capricorn Martin Luther Kings death was without meaning, as he was assassinated for fighting for freedom and equality. If he would have survived, his quality of life would have improved. As opposed to trying to do nothing and continuing to live in the same oppressive environment. So I hardly think his efforts were done in vain. So I suppose it's based off the conditions and environment one lives in and what were the terms of the individuals death. There really isn't enough info to put things into perspective. Is your capricorn friend talking about dying for a cause or just needlessly dying? Because there's definitely a difference between those two examples I just cited. Ovid- I grabbed a pile of dust, and holding it up, foolishly asked for as many birthdays as the grains of dust. I forgot to ask that they be years of youth.

Nah, it's dying as in ready to go. He feels he's been on earth long enough. He's late thirties... That's young to want to go. He seems to have a good life but obviously he has his darkness to deal with.

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Being ready to go, and wanting to go -- that's two different things. I think you are twisting your friend's words in one direction or the other. I assume he's ready if it were to happen.

Is your friend a Christian? If so, there's your answer. This earthly existence we know as life, is not life at all. It's a fallen condition, ripe with despair, and sinfulness knows no bounds. There is a better life that awaits every Christian, a perfect life, and it is eternal.

I kind of have that "nothing new under the sun" mindset. I often feel Im ready for the next phase. On one hand I want to live for a long time, on the other Im extremely bored with life. I just dont want to die a slow and painful death, but this thread is interesting cause just Saturday I was thinking about getting murdered walking home. I was like what if someone just pulled a gun out and shot me? I think about death a lot...drowning, burning, car wrecks etc.

I just think its all severe boredom.

When this Cappie rapper said he laughed after getting robbed and shot at, I figured then many of us need extreme excitement.

Your friend is just bored and like NEXT ..

Posted by Damnata

But for various reasons some people may perceive this existence as a void..or might feel they've been through a lot and there's nothing new they can experience.

I cannot fault this mindset.

Agreed.

Posted by CapTenn
Being ready to go, and wanting to go -- that's two different things. I think you are twisting your friend's words in one direction or the other. I assume he's ready if it were to happen.

Is your friend a Christian? If so, there's your answer. This earthly existence we know as life, is not life at all. It's a fallen condition, ripe with despair, and sinfulness knows no bounds. There is a better life that awaits every Christian, a perfect life, and it is eternal.

Yup. This life is just purgatory.

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Posted by Damnata
survival instinct and all that? yes.

But for various reasons some people may perceive this existence as a void..or might feel they've been through a lot and there's nothing new they can experience.

I cannot fault this mindset.

Not taking into account people with depression either as I think their perspective is warped at that point in time..but people who are doing alright and just see no point for it anymore.. I have to assume it's their choice and they thought a lot about it.

Right. The depression angle... is this Cap clinically depressed?

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No, I wouldn't think so...

Posted by depressedviolence
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what... say what you gotta say ;P

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Posted by mrdesperado
I guess it's all subjective in how one views it. To die pointlessly in a tragic car accident doesn't serve a purpose. I would hardly think capricorn Martin Luther Kings death was without meaning, as he was assassinated for fighting for freedom and equality. If he would have survived, his quality of life would have improved. As opposed to trying to do nothing and continuing to live in the same oppressive environment. So I hardly think his efforts were done in vain. So I suppose it's based off the conditions and environment one lives in and what were the terms of the individuals death. There really isn't enough info to put things into perspective. Is your capricorn friend talking about dying for a cause or just needlessly dying? Because there's definitely a difference between those two examples I just cited. Ovid- I grabbed a pile of dust, and holding it up, foolishly asked for as many birthdays as the grains of dust. I forgot to ask that they be years of youth.

Nah, it's dying as in ready to go. He feels he's been on earth long enough. He's late thirties... That's young to want to go. He seems to have a good life but obviously he has his darkness to deal with.

Being ready to go, and wanting to go -- that's two different things. I think you are twisting your friend's words in one direction or the other. I assume he's ready if it were to happen.

Is your friend a Christian? If so, there's your answer. This earthly existence we know as life, is not life at all. It's a fallen condition, ripe with despair, and sinfulness knows no bounds. There is a better life that awaits every Christian, a perfect life, and it is eternal.

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Nahh, religion means nothing to him.

Posted by lnana04
I kind of have that "nothing new under the sun" mindset. I often feel Im ready for the next phase. On one hand I want to live for a long time, on the other Im extremely bored with life. I just dont want to die a slow and painful death, but this thread is interesting cause just Saturday I was thinking about getting murdered walking home. I was like what if someone just pulled a gun out and shot me? I think about death a lot...drowning, burning, car wrecks etc.

I just think its all severe boredom.

When this Cappie rapper said he laughed after getting robbed and shot at, I figured then many of us need extreme excitement.

Your friend is just bored and like NEXT ..

That's interesting Inana, he does say it's all rather boring...

Why do you find life boring?

He could be tired of fighting.

I'd have to ask what country does you and your friend live in, as well as does your friend take antidepressants? Because these very pills individuals take to cure depression cause massive side effects like suicide ideation. I mean to think these pharmaceutical companies give medications that cause suicide ideation is just utter lunacy in America. Many of these individuals who take these pills lose sense of self and empathy for others. Therefore they resort to causing themself pain in order to feel at least something. So if your friend is having these thoughts, ask if they're taking any pills for depression.

Posted by mrdesperado
I'd have to ask what country does you and your friend live in, as well as does your friend take antidepressants? Because these very pills individuals take to cure depression cause massive side effects like suicide ideation. I mean to think these pharmaceutical companies give medications that cause suicide ideation is just utter lunacy in America. Many of these individuals who take these pills lose sense of self and empathy for others. Therefore they resort to causing themself pain in order to feel at least something. So if your friend is having these thoughts, ask if they're taking any pills for depression.

I agree with your take on this but I don't think he's on meds. He's not the kind of guy that would admit to depression, never mind getting help for it.

We live in Canada.

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Posted by aquapiscescusp
If you were told you were going to die tomorrow, would you be ok with this? A cap friend of mine has said --a few times now-- that he would be ready to go, no problem with that.

I don't get this thinking as I want to live forever.

Is it depression that would make someone think this way or are you caps really this morbid?

I totally get it, well in my own way. I'm afraid of how I'm going to die and suffering for a long time before dying scares me. Losing this life doesn't scare me for reasons that have to do with my personal spiritual beliefs, I won't force on anyone. I don't want to live this life forever.

If you think this is a morbid attitude, then I guess I'm just morbid.

I've never had a depression diagnosis but when I've felt "depressed" I've actually been more afraid of losing this life because then I won't have a chance to see if I could've made things better over time. Sort of conflicts with my beliefs but that's how I felt.

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I asked him if he would take his own life and he said he couldn't do that. Thanks for sharing.

Posted by StoicGoat
He could be tired of fighting.

Yeah, an internal battle of sorts. Don't you wish you could just make someone's pain go away?

Posted by aquapiscescusp
He's not the kind of guy that would admit to depression, never mind getting help for it.

That sounds like a guy-thing more than a Cap-thing LOL.

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Posted by aquapiscescusp
He's not the kind of guy that would admit to depression, never mind getting help for it.

That sounds like a guy-thing more than a Cap-thing LOL.

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Well helloOoo 🙂

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Posted by aquapiscescusp
He's not the kind of guy that would admit to depression, never mind getting help for it.

That sounds like a guy-thing more than a Cap-thing LOL.

Well helloOoo 🙂

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Howdy 🙂

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Posted by StoicGoat
He could be tired of fighting.

Yeah, an internal battle of sorts. Don't you wish you could just make someone's pain go away?

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I have often wished so, but I know that to do so would be cheating them. The challenges we face in this life, the suffering, pain, etc., can be punishments, but they are also always opportunities to learn and to grow. It would be selfish of me to steal that from them only to grant a moment's peace.

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Posted by StoicGoat
He could be tired of fighting.

Yeah, an internal battle of sorts. Don't you wish you could just make someone's pain go away?

I have often wished so, but I know that to do so would be cheating them. The challenges we face in this life, the suffering, pain, etc., can be punishments, but they are also always opportunities to learn and to grow. It would be selfish of me to steal that from them only to grant a moment's peace.

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Thats a good point, hoping they do learn and grow from it.