My laid-back apathetic Capricorn boyfriend.

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Hello -- Scorpgirl here.

Cappie and I have been dating for about a year now, with a number of breakups initiated always by me.

We have the usual Cap/Scorp attraction and sex is like taking a ride to the planet Saturn and beyond -- out of this world; it mystifies both of us.

I am a bohemian artist (Master's in Music); he is an uptight Chinese engineer. This could be part of the problem.

As a classic Cap, work is first on his list and it consumes him, then there is his elderly mother, then his two daughters. He'll never get over being the only divorced person in his family -- the "losing face" thing is double for him being chinese AND a Cap. (Being Jewish and a Scorp, I could give a shit what people think...)

He will text me just about every day, and I know he is not seeing anyone else. He just never wants to do anything exciting, and he can go for weeks without seeing me. This is why we break up. Our last break up lasted for 2 months, then my psychic perception told me he was calling me -- I unblocked him and he hd called me five times on Christmas day.

We are both in our 40s, divorced. I know this is pathetic -- why can't two people with children get this fixed.

He is THE most stubborn person I know. How can I get his slow ass to hurry up? I just don't see the point of this relationship, but he will not let go.
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@kitten la rouge

He doesn't know what to make of my bluntness. He'd prefer someone more ladylike, but I make him laugh with my directness. As for "ass" comments:

Him: You think that just because my mother lives in Chinatown, that she has to see a Chinese acupuncturist

[Capricorns and their goddamn family....He chauffeurs his mother every week to the acupuncturist.]

Him:You're prejudiced against Chinese people!

Me: If I'm prejudiced, why am I doing your yellow ass?

Yes, he had to laugh at that one. So uptight....
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You're 40 years old and have break ups every few months like a couple of teenagers?

Why are you sticking around? Why are you coming up with dumb reasons to stay around if you don't like it and don't understand why you're together?

You pin it on him for wanting to continue, but you're the one that also allows you two to "get back together" after break ups you initiate.

You seem like the weak link here.
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He doesn't seem apathetic to me. At all.

He has a consuming job. He cares about his family. He contacts you every day. He doesn't see anyone else. What about that is apathetic?

I think you are just jealous that his energies are directed toward his family and career (which will ALWAYS come first). You might as well understand right now that they will always come before you and the more you're jealous of that, the more you're going to push him away.

I'd break up with you too, if you couldn't understand my career and family committments.

And you break up, get together, break up get together - that is not stability. Caps are not going to rush into an unstable relationship, so of course he's going to be slow. Because of that factor, it's going to take him even longer to get there, if ever.

You might as well slow your roll. You're not going to get anywhere with the attitude you're expressing here.
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@kitten la rouge

[Capricorns and their goddamn family....He chauffeurs his mother every week to the acupuncturist.]

..



This statement just pisses me off.

You should be grateful you have the quality of man that is willing to do this. The way a man treats his mother is the way he will treat his wife.



*smh*

I hope this cap finds someone who appreciates his family instead of resenting them.
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it sounds like he needs an independent woman who has her OWN interests/hobbies, ect.

so if you are into your art, music, ect whatever, then you focus on those things. And you wont have to worry about who is catering to who.

this Guy's focus points are his work/career/family. Don't get jealous, because the very thing that ATTRACTS you to him, is the very same thing that you are repelled of. It's the dichotomy.

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Posted by truecap
He doesn't seem apathetic to me. At all.

He has a consuming job. He cares about his family. He contacts you every day. He doesn't see anyone else. What about that is apathetic?

I think you are just jealous that his energies are directed toward his family and career (which will ALWAYS come first). You might as well understand right now that they will always come before you and the more you're jealous of that, the more you're going to push him away.

I'd break up with you too, if you couldn't understand my career and family committments.

And you break up, get together, break up get together - that is not stability. Caps are not going to rush into an unstable relationship, so of course he's going to be slow. Because of that factor, it's going to take him even longer to get there, if ever.

You might as well slow your roll. You're not going to get anywhere with the attitude you're expressing here.



She's an entitled, selfish bitch, tbh. WHO does this? Who questions his priorities when she gets with a guy who was already doing this? You saw what you were getting into and want to change it?

Go fuck yourself you entitled whore. Jesus. This bs seriously pisses me off. No wonder she's divorced.
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True Cap,

Thanks for the advice. It's helping.

Triple Cap. Got it about the lady like behavior. Don't need the "time to move on" advice, though. I can think for myself.

RockyRoadIcecream -- Can you think of a better username, or do you just like to name yourself after the junk food you obsess over when everyone else is out Saturday night and having a good time? Your arse must be the size of a house -- like your mouth. You are one judgmental woman. I bet you're lonely as hell -- anyone with any humanity would be scared to come near you.

Having questions in relationships and dealing with them is called (slowly, so you'll get it) having. a. life. Acting superior and judgmental means you are taking no risks in life, you're "in control", except you're not really, are you?, because you're so angry and unhappy that you have to dump your confused hateful attitude over a stranger who can't fight back. Coward.

If I gave you the exact precis (look it up) of our relationship, it would take too long. So I said "I broke up most of the time", which is a generalization.

Thank you everyone else who actually took the time to give some insight into my situation.



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RockyRoadIcecream -- Can you think of a better username, or do you just like to name yourself after the junk food you obsess over when everyone else is out Saturday night and having a good time? Your arse must be the size of a house -- like your mouth. You are one judgmental woman. I bet you're lonely as hell -- anyone with any humanity would be scared to come near you.

Having questions in relationships and dealing with them is called (slowly, so you'll get it) having. a. life. Acting superior and judgmental means you are taking no risks in life, you're "in control", except you're not really, are you?, because you're so angry and unhappy that you have to dump your confused hateful attitude over a stranger who can't fight back. Coward.

If I gave you the exact precis (look it up) of our relationship, it would take too long. So I said "I broke up most of the time", which is a generalization.



...Are you sure you're 40 years old?

And lol at you slinging around "judgemental" and "in control." Did you READ what you wrote??
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Saggie bnr,

Thank you for liking my take on the subject! It's nice to meet someone on the forum who has a sense of humor and doesn't take themselves so seriously.

Of course, I edited my story, and didn't give all the details. I have a life, and I'm not sharing it all with a bunch of strangers.

Was not expecting the level of hostility I received.

Some of the ladies on here have a hard time being a woman, with the vulnerable feelings about relationships that we have. So if another woman dares to be open and honest, they jump all over her. Yuck.
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Scorpgirl

The Chinese culture puts BIG emphasis on family. It's custom that we have to both pay respect to our elders (like gifts and pay for friends and family) AND take care of the children. This is especially the case if it's a Chinese guy. I've known many who had to buy a big house because they had to house both their parents and their children. I have not known any Chinese grandparents go into retire homes. So each day he has to work, take care of his children AND his mother. How would he have any energy to do much of anything else?




I think it's just rude as fuck to criticize someone for looking out/taking care of their FAMILY because the universe of this guy doesn't revolve around her. It makes one wonder where the hell her priorities are.

"Ditch your family for me!" Really? And she wonders why there's backlash? :/

Guys dread getting with women like her. Women like her are why we have to deal with jaded guys who think all women are self centered individuals expecting him to drop his life all for her. "CHANGE FOR ME!!!"

Eff that noise.

OP, I can't help but wonder why you're sticking around when you're not even happy with the situation. Just go. Go find someone that'll make YOU happy and he can go on his way and find someone who makes HIM happy and won't expect him to change his entire life/ditch the family for her.
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Posted by champranger

I think this has a lot do with cultural gap.

With western culture, I find that once becoming adult, north americans tend to want to move out and live separate from parents most of the time. Once parents retire, they probably go into retire homes. For Chinese, it's like this (especially for generations before mine)... first your parents take care of you until you have a good career and then you take care of your parents (and children once you have them). If you have siblings, then amongst the siblings, the one lives the closest to the parents usually are expected to take care of them.



And ignorance. And lack of any attempt to understand other cultures.

Maybe I just take for granted I have a lot of Asian friends and have seen how they roll with that type of thing. Some of it is weird to me being a different culture, but shit, that's just how they are. I wouldn't jump into a relationship with one and then be all "well you're with my white ass now, so you have to drop all your cultural beliefs/traditions because I'm here and we're going to do things the white way."

If you want to drag astrology into it- from my observations, Caps are very family oriented. Scorps are very emotion oriented. If this Scorp has a problem with sharing her Cap with things that existed in his life prior to her existence in his, she should move along because her emotions will not get met since she seems very NOT family oriented- just focused on her own personal needs and wants.

It seems that she just keeps going back because she's thriving off the dramas that this situation creates and she sees him as a challenge to change to her own mold. It's that control thing Scorps love to pull with people. He's a human being, not something to be conquered.

Aside from astrology, she just needs to learn some cultural tolerance. That drivel in her original post where she looked down on his culture almost as if it were "abnormal," criticizing how much he does for his family like it's a major inconvenience for HER, said a lot about her character, tbh.
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Posted by Scorpgirl
Having questions in relationships and dealing with them is called (slowly, so you'll get it) having. a. life. Acting superior and judgmental means you are taking no risks in life, you're "in control", except you're not really, are you?, because you're so angry and unhappy that you have to dump your confused hateful attitude over a stranger who can't fight back. Coward.

If I gave you the exact precis (look it up) of our relationship, it would take too long. So I said "I broke up most of the time", which is a generalization.




Look who's trying to be condescending on the cap board. hahahaha!!!

It falls on deaf ears here, we're the masters of it. lol!!!



Sorry, scorp, couldn't resist.
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Posted by champranger
I like Scorps in general. I really do. But from my observations, once a Scorp is convinced, it can become really hard to convince them otherwise, IMO. Not because they aren't open to alternatives but that they are likely to believe that further interaction with those people are a waste of time and effort for the Scorp. In other words, it appears that they are likely to see the fault on others before they see it on themselves, IMO.



Yeah, I've noticed this too.

"Well this is what I've erroneously concluded, and that's final!" Okay. Have fun making life as difficult and complicated as possible for yourself. Don't let the door hit you on the way out...

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Update to all the dried-up, bitter, old-before-their-time hags who attacked me after I asked for advice:

My Cap man just told me he loves me and wants to make a commitment to me.

Scorpgirl

Proud mother of two
Proud girlfriend to the elusive Asian engineer Cap
Master's Degree
Successful musician, published author, and life coach
Proud survivor of losing a mother when I was 8 years old, and all the other rotten things that seem to happen to Scorps -- I survived, overcame, and am thriving.

My advice to women who forgot how to be feminine: get yourself a man, and some kids, and get laid once in a while. I'm sorry your life isn't working. Mine is.

I'm sorry you're so angry and bitter that you have to attack me. I'm praying for you.





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Posted by Scorpgirl
Update to all the dried-up, bitter, old-before-their-time hags who attacked me after I asked for advice:

My Cap man just told me he loves me and wants to make a commitment to me.

Scorpgirl

Proud mother of two
Proud girlfriend to the elusive Asian engineer Cap
Master's Degree
Successful musician, published author, and life coach
Proud survivor of losing a mother when I was 8 years old, and all the other rotten things that seem to happen to Scorps -- I survived, overcame, and am thriving.

My advice to women who forgot how to be feminine: get yourself a man, and some kids, and get laid once in a while. I'm sorry your life isn't working. Mine is.

I'm sorry you're so angry and bitter that you have to attack me. I'm praying for you.







that's really awesome he wants commitment with you.

your list of attributes are very awesome for alot of men. He must be very proud of you.
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Well, only about 4-5 caps commented on the thread, so realize there are other signs that posted. Not sure which users you're calling "cold". The capricorns who posted weren't cold in thier comments.

Caps aren't cold, we're just realist who take the emotional mumbo jumbo out of the equation and give direct, honest answers.



With all due respect truecap I do believe Caps have a strong tendency to be cold and apathetic which is necessary at times however as a watery woman I prefer a more compassionate approach to communication. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this.
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maybe you need one with a water mercury but with air and earth (the air to get your aquarius moon or at least 11th house, and some earth to ground your water)
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Well, only about 4-5 caps commented on the thread, so realize there are other signs that posted. Not sure which users you're calling "cold". The capricorns who posted weren't cold in thier comments.

Caps aren't cold, we're just realist who take the emotional mumbo jumbo out of the equation and give direct, honest answers.



With all due respect truecap I do believe Caps have a strong tendency to be cold and apathetic which is necessary at times however as a watery woman I prefer a more compassionate approach to communication. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this.
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You can always choose not to come to the Cap Board. *shrugs*
But, if you want a logical, rational, brutally honest answer post your question on the Cap board. If you want soft, touchy feely people telling you what you want to hear, take it to another board.
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Uhm, it's obvious things didn't work out..considering her reply where she boasts of her accomplishments. Not saying they broke up and he doesn't love her..but he just suddenly made a commitment? Such a coincidence after the bashing she got in this topic..isn't life grand? Must be destiny.

It's called saving face. Scorpios are fond of that.

Her lack of humbleness will be her downfall with any Earth sign man.

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Posted by champranger
Posted by Scorpgirl

My advice to women who forgot how to be feminine: get yourself a man, and some kids, and get laid once in a while. I'm sorry your life isn't working. Mine is.


Bad advice because what will likely happen is like what happened to one of my friend, who ended up having to raise a baby alone.
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Especially considering being 'feminine' does not solely rely on having men, children or sex in your life to be considered a 'successful' woman... by any definition.
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Posted by ScorpiosHarmony
Posted by truecap
Well, only about 4-5 caps commented on the thread, so realize there are other signs that posted. Not sure which users you're calling "cold". The capricorns who posted weren't cold in thier comments.

Caps aren't cold, we're just realist who take the emotional mumbo jumbo out of the equation and give direct, honest answers.



With all due respect truecap I do believe Caps have a strong tendency to be cold and apathetic which is necessary at times however as a watery woman I prefer a more compassionate approach to communication. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this.
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...said she in the coldest sentences uttered on the cap board since I don't know when. And the way you try to manipulate your words into sounding educated and agreeable doesn't make it any better. In the future, you might want to try a more compassionate approach to communication.
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Posted by HappyCapper
Posted by ScorpiosHarmony
Posted by truecap
Well, only about 4-5 caps commented on the thread, so realize there are other signs that posted. Not sure which users you're calling "cold". The capricorns who posted weren't cold in thier comments.

Caps aren't cold, we're just realist who take the emotional mumbo jumbo out of the equation and give direct, honest answers.



With all due respect truecap I do believe Caps have a strong tendency to be cold and apathetic which is necessary at times however as a watery woman I prefer a more compassionate approach to communication. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this.



...said she in the coldest sentences uttered on the cap board since I don't know when. And the way you try to manipulate your words into sounding educated and agreeable doesn't make it any better. In the future, you might want to try a more compassionate approach to communication.



piss off with your policing tactics, how's that for compassionate communication!
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Not good, tbh. Not good at all. But I'm sure you're working on it. I'm sure you'll be just fine.
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Posted by truecap
Posted by ScorpiosHarmony
Posted by truecap
Well, only about 4-5 caps commented on the thread, so realize there are other signs that posted. Not sure which users you're calling "cold". The capricorns who posted weren't cold in thier comments.

Caps aren't cold, we're just realist who take the emotional mumbo jumbo out of the equation and give direct, honest answers.



With all due respect truecap I do believe Caps have a strong tendency to be cold and apathetic which is necessary at times however as a watery woman I prefer a more compassionate approach to communication. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this.


You can always choose not to come to the Cap Board. *shrugs*
But, if you want a logical, rational, brutally honest answer post your question on the Cap board. If you want soft, touchy feely people telling you what you want to hear, take it to another board.



And you wonder why ya'll get labelled cold...

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Honesty and realism actually help people. It might hurt in the short term, but eventually they understand that the intent is to help. When they take the emotional blinders off, they see it as a blessing. Sugar coating and telling them what they want to hear hurts them in the long run.
Besides, it takes more courage and warmth to be honest with someone than it does to pat their hand and say "there, there baby".

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Posted by Scorpgirl
Hello -- Scorpgirl here.

Cappie and I have been dating for about a year now, with a number of breakups initiated always by me.

We have the usual Cap/Scorp attraction and sex is like taking a ride to the planet Saturn and beyond -- out of this world; it mystifies both of us.

I am a bohemian artist (Master's in Music); he is an uptight Chinese engineer. This could be part of the problem.

As a classic Cap, work is first on his list and it consumes him, then there is his elderly mother, then his two daughters. He'll never get over being the only divorced person in his family -- the "losing face" thing is double for him being chinese AND a Cap. (Being Jewish and a Scorp, I could give a shit what people think...)

He will text me just about every day, and I know he is not seeing anyone else. He just never wants to do anything exciting, and he can go for weeks without seeing me. This is why we break up. Our last break up lasted for 2 months, then my psychic perception told me he was calling me -- I unblocked him and he hd called me five times on Christmas day.

We are both in our 40s, divorced. I know this is pathetic -- why can't two people with children get this fixed.

He is THE most stubborn person I know. How can I get his slow ass to hurry up? I just don't see the point of this relationship, but he will not let go.



Why are you guys fighting? what's going on here? Scorpio Vs Capricron fight for who's the coldest? LOL

the girl is getting frustrated because cap isn't showing any signs of committing, I can understand that

I'm a Medical Doctor (almost...), I barely have any free time during weekends and I hardly see my friends (many of them scorpios)

They know it's not because I stopped liking them, but because I'm always busy doing my own thing, it's kind of understood between us.

Now....

if this guy isn't showing signs of trying to take this to next level it's kind of... weird

I mean, yeah, you guys are grown up, you should get married already, and he should explain to you why he can't see you very often.