Holding Hands

After two days of hearing NOTHING at all from Libra Girl; she calls for help with her car; we have dinner at my place and hold hands throughout watching a DVD. Yeah, keeping it subtle. But, WOW, holding hands seems to me, according to these Libra posts, quite a sign of affection from Libra. Please let me know what you think! Thanks.

I believe it is quite the sign of affection.....if you can sit with a Libran and touch in some way, its a good sign 🙂

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I told you!! Well done mate..now, keep a steady pace and she?s all yours.

P-Angel, you crack me up.

Sola, Thanks for all the encouragement. Steady pace it is.

Holding hands is definetly a move in the right direction.

If she does it in public, you are in.

lol, Atom . . just convince her that you have three hands and next time, you want her to hold the one in the middle.

** dirty minded fishy . . back to the gutter

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Ohmygod P-Angel..lol!!

I pulled last night..Mr. Scorpio can GTF (GET TO F***)!

Atom.. holding hands is a way of showing affection without being forward.. you know how the libra's are so stand-offish and want you to make the first move, so holding hand your hand is a move in the right direction. My libra always tries to hold my hand when we are together. I have never had that before from a man..

Atom.. none of that third hand mess either.. not yet!

Thanks, aquarianbrat. I "get" P-Angel's humour.

Just trying to figure out how to get you on the scoreboard, is all.

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Wow, been working lots, so haven't got back to these boards for a while. Thanks, P-Angel, for your encouragement too. I did see Libra Girl on Tuesday---we had dinner together, held hands AGAIN watching a DVD; then she played the piano sitting close to me. Then, after dropping her off at her house; she held our hug a little longer than usual then walked to the door holding hands. THEN, why do you Libra folks DO this—?, she didn't call for two days---TWO DAYS---then called out of the blue with some lame excuse as if to check if I'm still around. SLOW stuff! Sometimes I feel like I'm pulling teeth to keep this relationship going. Moving through molasses. It SEEMS she really likes me but what does it take for "the nickel to drop" so she REALLY shows she likes me. OR is this it—? I'd REALLY like to have this girl around more often!

You are the boy. Why didn't you call her?

Atom, because you are an Aries, you naturally have this chase and conquer thing inside of you when it comes to securing love. I'm not faulting you, rather, just talking about an instinct and how it can, in this situation, be your road block.

With the Aries, when they do this, they attempt to charm the other person into desiring them . . well, that's ok, except then, they expect the other person to then .. pursue you for your effection and devotion to them. In some cases, this works, but, it's apparant that it's having the opposite effect.

Your sitting back thinking, "Ok, I have her attention and she likes me. Why isn't she wanting to move forward" . . this is a normal state for the Aries because historically, when they charm the pants off of someone, that "someone" wants the Aries so bad that they move in to take the prize .. you.

But, you're not understanding that the Libra female is submissive .. in all likelihood, she's sitting back thinking, "Ok, he's got me. Why isn't he taking me?"

From your own admission, you are used to women "taking you" after you've charmed her and so you're now waiting for it to happen with this lady. It's not.

It's not, Atom . . you're gonna have to take her, mate. Move in . . .

Thanks, P-A.

Atom.. have you read the board here sweety? Listen to P-Angel please and do what you have to do.. I am sure she is freaking out also over you not calling etc..

Like LS said.. Why didn't you call.. you're the boy? Great question LS..

Okay. I called her. Kept it on a friend "Howya doin'?" level. Just let her talk and talk and talk and talk. Kept it light. Attempted to pin down a time to see her this week (! *er, 'sorry, this type of things frustrates me*---it would be nice for HER to suggest a time some time!); and she's checking her schedule, etc.

I decided NOT to talk about our relationship. I'd like to know black and white things; where I stand; her feelings; her perspective about US; but it always feels like we're going to start a long chess match---her being evasive; my not knowing if she's nutz about me and that's her nature as our relationship gets stronger OR if it's okay to have me around but she doesn't want to "hurt" me (say, it seems you Librans use that phrase a LOT).

So my heart is with her, but I'm at arm's length. (I've been thinking about that phrase, "I don't want to hurt you." Is it an excuse not to get close? Does she think she's so much better than everyone else that she "hurts" people all the time because they are so enamoured or fall for her so quickly? Anyway, the way I look at it is I've been hurt so bad before there is no way she could hurt me as much as one girl did a few years back (another Soap Opera, another time).

'Appreciate your feedback and comments!

Holding hands just seems to be different with a libra, it is like they focus there energy through there hands and it becomes something more. It is very affectionate for us. Watch out for "Frosty Fingers" too, this is when you run your fingers accross someone with the lightest of possible touch. Sometimes they do this with a thumb or finger just while your holding hands. this is a big sign of affection with us.

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Thanks, nic'! She did the "frosty fingers" thing out of the blue a few months back (telling me that's how a friend of hers sells jewelry, of all things). VERY sensual. When we ARE together she tends to "accidently" touch my hand and brush against me quite often. I find myself putting my arm around her, only for a short time. She doesn't really pull away, I just find that maybe it's awkward for her. So I keep the time short. What are your thoughts on this, nicodemus, Chatz, et al?

Putting your arm around a libra's shoulder is a pain in the ass just because they are so spiratic. Stopping, starting, turning, at every thing they notice either in the world around them or in their head. Being a Libra guy I can only give you my best guess as to how a libra girl would take it. And my guess is probably not the best idea, we are really sensitive to feeling restricted, and putting your arm around them is kind of restricting. I noticed with the Libra girl I was with this week, she really liked to weave her arm around mine and hold my hand. Iv'e never really been with a girl that did it that way, and I found myself preffering it to the arm around, or just holding hands. As a guy, i tend to put my hand on a girls thigh alot when sitting or driving and do the light touch thing without even noticing. She made a positive comment to that, and when I wasn't she would put her hand on my leg so that I would. I think thats a winner too.

Ummmmm...Atom, my LIbran puts his arm around me...he cannot sit near me without touching and always lightly tickles my arm or hand or yeah...ok enuff, you get the drift...and looks over with those gorgeous Libran eyes and steals a kiss....its so wonderful to be in his arms....he's very gentle though and him putting his arm around me happens without me even noticing at first, and accidentally brushing up and/or touching— oh aren't they good how they do that??

Im afraid I can't really add anything to nic's info up there as Im not LIbran - thank goodness, or I'd be as crazy as them LOL...no offence guys 🙂, just my bad humour again LOL.

Perhaps do what nic's LIbran lady does....that might help but gotta say, women don't generally sit with their arms around their man so I dunno *shrugs*...sorry

I am not good at holding hands, touching someone when talking etc. Just not a very physical person. And until someone pointed that out this lacking did not cross my mind...

But I am good at giving one kiss on the cheek (or two) at arrival or departure. Find that warm and friendly and you ought to know where you stand when I do that.

With lovers, no idea what I do. But when in love I want to touch all the time. Oh, and kiss...

Im not really a touchy person for a female. I like to kiss a lot and cuddle in bed. During the day, i prefer quick affections and nothing too heavy because im easily irritated. Touch her, just not too often. My advice is that she will touch you to signal that she needs affection. Give it to her, and NEVER pull away from her..let her do that when she?s had enough. And when you are holding hands, kiss hers lightly, and then she?ll definately move in for the kill!!

By the way, i agree completely with LS, you?ve got to do the calling, there?s no point in waiting for the lady. Librans love their men to take control.

"My advice is that she will touch you to signal that she needs affection. Give it to her, and NEVER pull away from her..let her do that when she?s had enough."

This seems a bit affectionately controlling.

Of course it isnt..the guy wants some advice and i intend to make mine work for him.

He needs to know what the signs are and to pick up and act on them successfully. Libra?s, or not me, arent into the whole control thing. Lets leave that to the Cancerians of the world!!

"Lets leave that to the Cancerians of the world!!"

Aymen to that. I might have taken your advice the wrong way after this last week with that libra girl. My bad. She was the same way, when she wanted it she wanted it now, which is hot. But when she didn't, she didn't and that in itself isn't frustrating, it's getting the signals right that can be.

** Does she think she's so much better than everyone else that she "hurts" people all the time because they are so enamoured or fall for her so quickly?

It isn't that she thinks she is so much better, it is just that this is what happens. If she is like me, men give me their hearts because of the way I look. They don't bother to think through whether or not they would be happy with me. They have a weird sense of entitlement.

** Librans love their men to take control.

YES.

Libras don't really care about control and power. People always think that but I don't think they could be more wrong. We care about cooperation and getting along. We rather surrender control to our partner because we don't like making decision and we want to get along. However, freedom is very important to us. We are an air sign. You can't trap air because it finds a way to creep out.

Yep...

I think we're the ones that bring things back to the 50/50 line so that there is balance (the balance that WE need). At the outset we don't know what we will need to contribute, we'll just do the necessary. If it means making suggestions then that's what we'll do, if it means waiting for the other one to call cause he likes to be the decision maker, then we'll do that. We just love...

Libra, I'm trying to catch on to the 50/50 thing AND the control thing. I've been around independent women all my life; mainly sitting back and enjoying them doing their own thing. I've had to be a little more firm with Libra Girl then I'd like (not male chauvanist, just firm). It's almost like she wants me to make ALL the decisions all the time---yet change them at the last minute if necessary.

"yet change them at the last minute if necessary."

Oh it is so true. I got a kick out of just watching the Libra girl do her thing this weekend. I am go with the flow, I don't plan I just get up and do to my hearts content when it comes to everything. It isn't the most organized way to do things but it is the most enjoyable for me. The difference between her and I is that I am continual motion. I contemplate, decide, act, then move on to the next thing. She will contemplate, decide, change her mind, change her mind again, ask me what I think, counter my advice, then act, then change her mind again. We must have made a zig zag accross that town ten times to do two things. I just lit a cigarette, leaned back and went with it. Worse than a Gemini I swear.

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Atom, here is news for you: we do want you to make the decisions. Only when I strongly disagree will I speak up. Rest I'll go with the flow. I am really waiting until we're alone again so let's just get through the day. Whatever we do is irrelevant. As long as you're there. And if I did not make any decisions then you cannot be disappointed with me. So your image of me is in tact and you still like me.

Nico, your Libra sounds nervous. Either confirm your love or friendship or whatever, or let her grow on her own and she will come around.

"Rest I'll go with the flow. I am really waiting until we're alone again so let's just get through the day."

Uh oh, two libras together=what do you want to do? I dunno what do you want to do?

You know it...!

(that's how it goes. no plans are made. it's quiet mayhem.)

Thanks, Libra. I find I do make the plans SPECIFICALLY and she has a way of changing them SUBTLELY IF there is something else she REALLY wants to do. I don't mind this; I'm just getting used to this! I've also been with her when she didn't want to make a decision AT ALL. So she'd say, "Just make up your mind!" And (thank God Aries can do this)I'd make a quick decision and tell her, "Get your coat. We're going here. We're doing this." I'm thinking I should probably have a variety of back-up plans available. Does that make sense?

Anyway, you Libra women are intriguing and wonderful. I have entered a new world.

I can sense her sense of humour from your lines...