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Marketing is generally a very well construed lie which works upon human weaker psychological flaws, it abuses this knowledge, advertisement campaigns re-wires our thinking, in a sub-surface level, nearly painless manipulation which is often undetected to the unsuspecting individual. Once masses fall upon such marketing, what ever service or goods marketed becomes but a near cult or trend, mass hysteria.



uh yeah lady scorpio you seem to put a negative slant on it. you fail to recognize creative marketing that may express family or company values which are not lies and are very real to the people. yes they are trying to connect with you on a deep level because they know that it is not always about prices and some competition needs to differentiate.
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Alright since my choice of words as of late seemingly carries itself across rather strongly to some, then shall we put it this way, is it 100% real and true?
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Oh FFS, I did not copy and paste my disclaimer, serious one could but not entirely anal, there is a sense of humour but it probably passed by most individual's heads as of late...

*Disclaimer: this post is entirely meant to be tongue-in-cheek and not otherwise*

Marketing:

1) Identify Market
2) Create

= Generates turd loads of money over BS ideas.


Art:

1) Create
2) Identify Market

= Generates penniless geniuses (after one is dead, in combination with a little luck, then the damn flows of money comes...no pun intended.)


I love both 😄
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Ok, from now on there shall be permanent disclaimers in my posts to clarify the mood and tone, the general scope in which it normally takes upon and not detailed case studies which I could go into but not necessitated.

Sense of humour, still alive here at home? I suppose mine had flown out the window but since having found it again, but where is the rest, hmm...?

*shakes my head*
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Jesus, gentleman I could be serious, anal even (if one were to go to an extreme) but my posts, even if they may be incoherent as of late, there is a distinct flavour of sarcasm in them, in case you have not noticed.



I did lol 🙂
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There are nuts in a bowl and otherwise, now frankly one is lost as what one must do with that whole lot of cracking.


(lol 911, hence why it was referred to the gentlemen, since the ladies were silenced) 😛
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omg i hate dxp double posts wtf.

anyway here is a great ones and no they are not trying to be fake they actually meant it as their values

coca cola



in this commercial the company brings attention to real relationships between a horse owner and his clysdale which the company uses as it's hertiage and symbol.


you think this is fake bullshit? maybe to some ceo who just came form harvard but not to the family owned part of the shareholders.

this is what i mean.



Factually it may ring truth but is the intent purely sincere, no, there is a goal behind providing such marketing, it is to evoke specific emotions, feelings and desire within the targeted audience. In doing so, to get them to prefer Coca-cola over any other particular brand and soda. At the end of the day it is working into the audience's subconsciousness to get them to instinctually feel good upon viewing this brand at a fridge in a grocers, so they may choose to buy this and not another. Is that not manipulation? It is.
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Ok, from now on there shall be permanent disclaimers in my posts to clarify the mood and tone, the general scope in which it normally takes upon and not detailed case studies which I could go into but not necessitated.

Sense of humour, still alive here at home? I suppose mine had flown out the window but since having found it again, but where is the rest, hmm...?

*shakes my head*



TLS - dear, its ok to say something that may not be perceived in a positive light. It is not natural anyways, nobody is always positive...We all have our moments here 😄
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Not even angry nor agitated at all, simply bluntly putting my point across.
This is a debate, no? Stick to what is on the table I'd say, oy vey.

One must rid oneself of the stench of Libran diplomacy that has rubbed off on me from time to time *shakes my stinger, struts a few steps* after all I am a Scorpion 😄
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omg i hate dxp double posts wtf.

anyway here is a great ones and no they are not trying to be fake they actually meant it as their values

coca cola



in this commercial the company brings attention to real relationships between a horse owner and his clysdale which the company uses as it's hertiage and symbol.


you think this is fake bullshit? maybe to some ceo who just came form harvard but not to the family owned part of the shareholders.

this is what i mean.



Factually it may ring truth but is the intent purely sincere, no, there is a goal behind providing such marketing, it is to evoke specific emotions, feelings and desire within the targeted audience. In doing so, to get them to prefer Coca-cola over any other particular brand and soda. At the end of the day it is working into the audience's subconsciousness to get them to instinctually feel good upon viewing this brand at a fridge in a grocers, so they may choose to buy this and not another. Is that not manipulation? It is.
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Sure there is.

Ultimately when it comes to marketing, its about creating more return for every dollar spent. Regardless of whether its emotion, humor, or just plain bullshit, that is still your end goal for having marketing.

When I have a product I want to release to consumers, your profit will come from how many of PRODUCT-A you sell but marketing is what maximizes said profit.

For every X amount of dollars I spend on marketing, I'm expecting Y amount of dollars back from PRODUCT-A selling.

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Do not get me wrong, I adore marketing and the industry as a whole but my point of view is sarcastic if not ironic at times - marketing, itself requires no sugar-coating. Why does one have to make a happy, non-confrontational, blissful attempt as to say we are doing so and so, to gather loyal etc. loyalty is another word of getting an individual hooked, at times addicted at worst a cult following. That is the goal, to have people forever associating themselves, their choices towards a particular label when one is in search of a soda (in the case of Coca-cola), and the definitive goal, to make money.

Yes this - $ $ $ $ $ $

Context, the whole good cause, family back story are simply tools to pull more people into this vortex, at the end of the day, it is all an art form or scheme depending upon how one looks at it to pry or gain money from the general public's pockets. Is this a malicious thing, no? Though it does exploit human thought processes and wiring as it were. Besides you truly think an ad does not have an impact strong enough on the conscious mind? That is the sole existence upon which marketing rests upon, impact and resulting effects which carries on afterwards, planting a seed in the target audience's minds, allowing them to nurture it as they pass by every billboard, tv advertisement, fridge in the grocers, they want them to link their product to a -feel-good emotion, to the point where the rewiring in their minds think they need this brand and no other, as they would not be comparable.

Manipulation does not need to be positive or negative but it is still what it is in such a case and I am not saying otherwise, if whomever decides to read my posts as negative, by all means very well do. My content exists as they are.
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How many of us routinely do things that would make us feel more comfortable to be in a relationship? I used to be definitely intent on the spiritual connection. Yet I'm not sure how many routines I actually give time to in my everyday life to make sure I am still spiritually connection with someone.

As I get older I will probably want more out of life and to spend my time in different domains. So I'm wondering if I dedicate enough time towards being accessible. How I was a year ago is already different to how I am now. Or perceived anyway. And I can imagine that being true for the next few years. It will be interesting to see if any of my relationships, friendships etc survive this change.



I don't know if there is a general answer for your thought. When I think back on my connections with past girlfriends, they were definitely NOT ALL THE SAME.

Anyways I bring that up because dedicating enough time towards accessibility is very dependent on the wants of your significant other.


I shall use myself as an example. I'm fairly independent BUT when I'm with a gal, I want her PRESENCE in my life. Otherwise what's the point?

Does that mean I need to see her everyday? Nope. But going a month without a phone call, sharing a meal, or just hanging out defeats the purpose of actually having a significant other. Hell even if its just a phone call of "Hey babe! Busy as fuck but thinking about you. Miss you! Bye!". That's her presence in my life. That's her wanting MY presence in hers.

Ultimately I share this because said GIRLFRIEND-X needs to be accessible to that.
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Posted by Grey
omg i hate dxp double posts wtf.

anyway here is a great ones and no they are not trying to be fake they actually meant it as their values

coca cola



in this commercial the company brings attention to real relationships between a horse owner and his clysdale which the company uses as it's hertiage and symbol.


you think this is fake bullshit? maybe to some ceo who just came form harvard but not to the family owned part of the shareholders.

this is what i mean.



Factually it may ring truth but is the intent purely sincere, no, there is a goal behind providing such marketing, it is to evoke specific emotions, feelings and desire within the targeted audience. In doing so, to get them to prefer Coca-cola over any other particular brand and soda. At the end of the day it is working into the audience's subconsciousness to get them to instinctually feel good upon viewing this brand at a fridge in a grocers, so they may choose to buy this and not another. Is that not manipulation? It is.



Sure there is.

Ultimately when it comes to marketing, its about creating more return for every dollar spent. Regardless of whether its emotion, humor, or just plain bullshit, that is still your end goal for having marketing.

When I have a product I want to release to consumers, your profit will come from how many of PRODUCT-A you sell but marketing is what maximizes said profit.

For every X amount of dollars I spend on marketing, I'm expecting Y amount of dollars back from PRODUCT-A selling.

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What you have shared is precisely my point VH, marketing is marketing.

There is no need to make up feel-good reasons as to why it works the way it is. It is an industry which thrives because frankly we all need money to continue financing the production of such products.
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Tiz, can you be specific as to where you changed? And what helped you make that change? is it what you read, heard, experienced?

I personally I feel like I haven't changed at all, but I gained some knew interesting knowledge 🙂



I think mostly it had to do with getting to grips with things events that happened a few years back. Like deaths in the family, changes in living situation and travelling.

All those things may have happened at the time, but the time after that was all spend in me understanding what they mean for me. How to make them work for me.

For example, I'm pretty terrible at being responsible with money. When I was younger, my family pretty much bankrolled everything I did personally and professionally. The last three years has been about me accounting for every pound I put in to get two pounds out. In general with numbers I am pretty terrible. You work in finance. They would never hire me in an industry like that lol

But I can sense when I get proficient with numbers and money to a certain level, my habits are going to change. I am going to want to do more fun stuff. Not just hang around in the house and be spiritual. Or dedicate my life to my job. I'm going to need to do activities that I not only like doing, but want to share with another person. If that makes sense. That's just my gut feeling.
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So currently you do not really go out much?
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omg i hate dxp double posts wtf.

anyway here is a great ones and no they are not trying to be fake they actually meant it as their values

coca cola



in this commercial the company brings attention to real relationships between a horse owner and his clysdale which the company uses as it's hertiage and symbol.


you think this is fake bullshit? maybe to some ceo who just came form harvard but not to the family owned part of the shareholders.

this is what i mean.



Factually it may ring truth but is the intent purely sincere, no, there is a goal behind providing such marketing, it is to evoke specific emotions, feelings and desire within the targeted audience. In doing so, to get them to prefer Coca-cola over any other particular brand and soda. At the end of the day it is working into the audience's subconsciousness to get them to instinctually feel good upon viewing this brand at a fridge in a grocers, so they may choose to buy this and not another. Is that not manipulation? It is.



Sure there is.

Ultimately when it comes to marketing, its about creating more return for every dollar spent. Regardless of whether its emotion, humor, or just plain bullshit, that is still your end goal for having marketing.

When I have a product I want to release to consumers, your profit will come from how many of PRODUCT-A you sell but marketing is what maximizes said profit.

For every X amount of dollars I spend on marketing, I'm expecting Y amount of dollars back from PRODUCT-A selling.

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What you have shared is precisely my point VH, marketing is marketing. There is no need to make up feel-good reasons as to why it works the way it is. It is an industry which thrives because frankly we all need money to continue financing the production of such products.
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Posted by Grey
omg i hate dxp double posts wtf.

anyway here is a great ones and no they are not trying to be fake they actually meant it as their values

coca cola



in this commercial the company brings attention to real relationships between a horse owner and his clysdale which the company uses as it's hertiage and symbol.


you think this is fake bullshit? maybe to some ceo who just came form harvard but not to the family owned part of the shareholders.

this is what i mean.



Factually it may ring truth but is the intent purely sincere, no, there is a goal behind providing such marketing, it is to evoke specific emotions, feelings and desire within the targeted audience. In doing so, to get them to prefer Coca-cola over any other particular brand and soda. At the end of the day it is working into the audience's subconsciousness to get them to instinctually feel good upon viewing this brand at a fridge in a grocers, so they may choose to buy this and not another. Is that not manipulation? It is.



Sure there is.

Ultimately when it comes to marketing, its about creating more return for every dollar spent. Regardless of whether its emotion, humor, or just plain bullshit, that is still your end goal for having marketing.

When I have a product I want to release to consumers, your profit will come from how many of PRODUCT-A you sell but marketing is what maximizes said profit.

For every X amount of dollars I spend on marketing, I'm expecting Y amount of dollars back from PRODUCT-A selling.

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What you have shared is precisely my point VH, marketing is marketing.

There is no need to make up feel-good reasons as to why it works the way it is. It is an industry which thrives because frankly we all need money to continue financing the production of such products.
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omg i hate dxp double posts wtf.

anyway here is a great ones and no they are not trying to be fake they actually meant it as their values

coca cola



in this commercial the company brings attention to real relationships between a horse owner and his clysdale which the company uses as it's hertiage and symbol.


you think this is fake bullshit? maybe to some ceo who just came form harvard but not to the family owned part of the shareholders.

this is what i mean.



Factually it may ring truth but is the intent purely sincere, no, there is a goal behind providing such marketing, it is to evoke specific emotions, feelings and desire within the targeted audience. In doing so, to get them to prefer Coca-cola over any other particular brand and soda. At the end of the day it is working into the audience's subconsciousness to get them to instinctually feel good upon viewing this brand at a fridge in a grocers, so they may choose to buy this and not another. Is that not manipulation? It is.



Sure there is.

Ultimately when it comes to marketing, its about creating more return for every dollar spent. Regardless of whether its emotion, humor, or just plain bullshit, that is still your end goal for having marketing.

When I have a product I want to release to consumers, your profit will come from how many of PRODUCT-A you sell but marketing is what maximizes said profit.

For every X amount of dollars I spend on marketing, I'm expecting Y amount of dollars back from PRODUCT-A selling.



What you have shared is precisely my point VH, marketing is marketing.

There is no need to make up feel-good reasons as to why it works the way it is. It is an industry which thrives because frankly we all need money to continue financing the production of such products.
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From the development/creation standpoint (Compared to the consumers)? Absolutely there is.

You need to convince me to spend dollars on a marketing budget.
You need to convince me why your mar
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From the development/creation standpoint (Compared to the consumers)? Absolutely there is.

You need to convince me to spend dollars on a marketing budget.
You need to convince me why your marketing plan of my product is going to give me more return for my dollar.
Tell me why your strategy is going to make my product outsell my competitors.

All of this has direct correlation on the "why".
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Do not get me wrong, I adore marketing and the industry as a whole but my point of view is sarcastic if not ironic at times - marketing, itself requires no sugar-coating. Why does one have to make a happy, non-confrontational, blissful attempt as to say we are doing so and so, to gather loyal etc. loyalty is another word of getting an individual hooked, at times addicted at worst a cult following. That is the goal, to have people forever associating themselves, their choices towards a particular label when one is in search of a soda (in the case of Coca-cola), and the definitive goal, to make money.

Yes this - $ $ $ $ $ $

Context, the whole good cause, family back story are simply tools to pull more people into this vortex, at the end of the day, it is all an art form or scheme depending upon how one looks at it to pry or gain money from the general public's pockets. Is this a malicious thing, no? Though it does exploit human thought processes and wiring as it were. Besides you truly think an ad does not have an impact strong enough on the conscious mind? That is the sole existence upon which marketing rests upon, impact and resulting effects which carries on afterwards, planting a seed in the target audience's minds, allowing them to nurture it as they pass by every billboard, tv advertisement, fridge in the grocers, they want them to link their product to a -feel-good emotion, to the point where the rewiring in their minds think they need this brand and no other, as they would not be comparable.

Manipulation does not need to be positive or negative but it is still what it is in such a case and I am not saying otherwise, if whomever decides to read my posts as negative, by all means very well do. My content exists as they are.



nice! thanks for agreeing with me 🙂
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There goes the lion strutting his mane 😛
Do not get ahead of yourself dear Grey, not agreeing...but agreeing to disagree in our different understandings and perception of what we each know as marketing.
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From the development/creation standpoint (Compared to the consumers)? Absolutely there is.

You need to convince me to spend dollars on a marketing budget.
You need to convince me why your marketing plan of my product is going to give me more return for my dollar.
Tell me why your strategy is going to make my product outsell my competitors.

All of this has direct correlation on the "why".



Hahahaha, information got lost in a black hole.

Yes and agreed to.
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From the development/creation standpoint (Compared to the consumers)? Absolutely there is.

You need to convince me to spend dollars on a marketing budget.
You need to convince me why your marketing plan of my product is going to give me more return for my dollar.
Tell me why your strategy is going to make my product outsell my competitors.

All of this has direct correlation on the "why".




yes this is obvious. we want all this metrics with our backroom meetings. the consumers should not worry or ever think in these terms is my point 😛
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Yup!
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Yes and agreed to.



See how that works, Scorpette! *Bats away her stinger and flexes*
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That is only because you are a Virgo, your kind are therapeutic to my senses, even when the worst of circumstances are befalling me.

My Stinger gets stuck in that load of dirt, dust and earth most of the time 😄
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From the development/creation standpoint (Compared to the consumers)? Absolutely there is.

You need to convince me to spend dollars on a marketing budget.
You need to convince me why your marketing plan of my product is going to give me more return for my dollar.
Tell me why your strategy is going to make my product outsell my competitors.

All of this has direct correlation on the "why".




yes this is obvious. we want all this metrics with our backroom meetings. the consumers should not worry or ever think in these terms is my point 😛



Yup!



tls was arguing with me without seeing this for like 30 posts. now she feels admiration for me and is trying to impress me with ice cubes.


sigh i can be so overhwelming sometimes😛 poor scorpio woman she admires me too much 🙂
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*continues to acknowledge and wincingly smiles*

Waiting for your Sun to set, then in darkness...it begins 🙂
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Yes and agreed to.



See how that works, Scorpette! *Bats away her stinger and flexes*



That is only because you are a Virgo, your kind are therapeutic to my senses, even when the worst of circumstances are befalling me.

My Stinger gets stuck in that load of dirt, dust and earth most of the time 😄
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You know, it's far easier to say "I love you, VH!".
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Yes and agreed to.



See how that works, Scorpette! *Bats away her stinger and flexes*



That is only because you are a Virgo, your kind are therapeutic to my senses, even when the worst of circumstances are befalling me.

My Stinger gets stuck in that load of dirt, dust and earth most of the time 😄



You know, it's far easier to say "I love you, VH!".



ew lol 🙂
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Haha that's how the scorps work, leebs!

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VH, your endearingly adorable Crabcake Venus is to blame, I swear upon it.

Are you attempting to get a Scorpette smitten?



Do tell me about my cancer in venus 🙂
Enlighten me on how that "should" make me behave?
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It is wondrously soft, sentimental, romantic, utterly adorable to a fault where it only deserves cuddles and lovingly prepared meals 🙂

Now, would you kindly pour me another glass of that wine, please. Sit back and relax for it is show time for 'Grey the Lion', he is entertaining, a generous show.

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VH, your endearingly adorable Crabcake Venus is to blame, I swear upon it.

Are you attempting to get a Scorpette smitten?



Do tell me about my cancer in venus 🙂
Enlighten me on how that "should" make me behave?



sure. it means you cook meals for me and 911 while we are watching a romantic movie and enjoying our wine. so kind hearted 😛
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Man, if it ever got to a point where I'm actually cooking for your lady, you've already lost her!

Besides, she's already mentioned she likes actions over words. Step up, man! Get your ass in there and make something for her.
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VH, your endearingly adorable Crabcake Venus is to blame, I swear upon it.

Are you attempting to get a Scorpette smitten?



Do tell me about my cancer in venus 🙂
Enlighten me on how that "should" make me behave?



It is wondrously soft, sentimental, romantic, utterly adorable to a fault where it only deserves cuddles and lovingly prepared meals 🙂

Now, would you kindly pour me another glass of that wine, please. Sit back and relax for it is show time for 'Grey the Lion', he is entertaining, a generous show.

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Hah that's how Layna described it. Venus cancer = Teddy bear. I SAY BAH TO THAT!
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VH, your endearingly adorable Crabcake Venus is to blame, I swear upon it.

Are you attempting to get a Scorpette smitten?



Do tell me about my cancer in venus 🙂
Enlighten me on how that "should" make me behave?



It is wondrously soft, sentimental, romantic, utterly adorable to a fault where it only deserves cuddles and lovingly prepared meals 🙂

Now, would you kindly pour me another glass of that wine, please. Sit back and relax for it is show time for 'Grey the Lion', he is entertaining, a generous show.





Hah that's how Layna described it. Venus cancer = Teddy bear. I SAY BAH TO THAT!
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Hah, so you shall continue to make me want to meld myself into a bush whilst I shall continue to convince you, that you are in fact a Teddy Bear in disguise. Fair shake of hands or does that deserve a hug?