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I’m really struggling with the how our society combines Transgender issues and polices with Gay issues and polices. So, I would like to talk my thoughts out with anyone willing to discuss this with me respectfully.

I could never really validate the transgender issue, because gender has little value to me. I see gender as a mechanism in the systems of life to keep it advancing.

What we consider male vs female in humanity, mostly has to do with cultural constructs. I will agree most of the time it is just an exaggeration of biology. Women are built with bigger hips, so we walk with a sway naturally, our faces flush during arousal so we put makeup on to mimic those experiences. Which I think really comes down to a matting competition in some ways.

I do believe that masculine and femineity is a spectrum. Some of it is natural based on or biology and some of it is our experience and conditioning. But different cultures have valued different feminine and masculine traits, which become the cultural norm for them.

But for someone to say, I feel like the opposite gender makes no sense to me. I do not “feel” like a woman, I have the body of a woman, I have the cultural experience and conditioning of a woman. But that is all superficial and has little do with how I feel as a human being.

But that’s all gender is to me, the body (genitalia/hormones) and experience/conditioning. So, if a person does not have the body or conditioning of gender, how do they feel that they are that gender?

I agree that we all take on an identity, we create and nurture an ego which is vital to participate in the shared experience in this world. And fuck it if I care what identity you want to take on, and what experiences you want to have while you are on this earth. But I don’t like how some parts of our culture are promoting or encouraging this, because I think this is affecting some of the most vulnerable people.

I do not mean this as an insult, but when I look at the individual Trans experience, it seems to always be a response to trauma, or fetishization.

I see men and women who don’t always fit, the gender roles of the culture, have a lot of negative experiences, and that trauma can result in the rejection of what people see as their deficiency in that gender defined by the culture.

And honestly when I see Transgender women oversexualizing themselves 24/7, I do see it as a fetishization of women, and find it insulting. But I see this more as sexuality vs identity. If that makes sense?

Anyways these are my thoughts when it comes to gender and western culture, I would love a discussion to understand different POV further.

Posted by Solo
I have a few questions that pop up and we can tackle them each individually.

This can get messy quick because of things like puberty blockers vs actual surgery and things like that.

If you don't have the info already, don't look it up yet, but take a rough guess on how many you would say for blockers and then surgery and then overall population is trans. And we'll go through afterwards.

Is acceptance the same thing as "pushing?" If we didn't beat on left handed kids to use their rights, would it be viewed as pushing left handedness? This is kinda what I view it akin to. I also do think it kinda fits into the "mental illness" bracket as it's fundamentally your brain and body not feeling like they match, right? However I don't think I should be bothered what they undergo to treat it if you view it that way, or make themselves comfortable or just be who they want. I have a trans cousin FTM and tbh she always did strike me as boyish. Pretty much everything about her. How her features were. How she stood and walked. How she acted. Not over the top, just comfortable. I haven't seen him in a long time, but it wasn't super surprising to hear about. Not that I ever explicitly thought that of them though.

I think we also know at this point that it's not gays and trans people in general that are attacking children. Which is part of the fear mongering that's used.

I want to live in a culture that accepts a wide spectrum of femininity and masculinity. I don’t want to live in a culture that validates people’s ideas that there is something wrong with them that they can or should change.

I don’t think its gays and trans attacking children, I think that the pendulum has shifted to far in parts of our cultural that it is encouraging bad ideas.

I think that people who are struggling to process trauma are often the ones in these mental health spaces. The mental health spaces in our culture is mostly dominated with people who have very liberal views. And again this comes down attaching Trans issues with Gay issues, because excepting who you are attracted to is not the same thing as rejecting who you are. But often in the liberal culture I see it treated as the same thing.

My niece came to me and said I don't feel like a girl, I said cool neither do I, her therapist at collage started her on a gender transition therapy program, and put her into an LGTB pier group that is just a cycle of validation. This is my step sisters kids, has SA trauma from 14 yo, and a lifetime of neglect. That kind of acceptance and validation is exactly what she has been craving her whole life, and she'd deciding on wither or not she's gonna go on hormones, but hasn't even considered what it would be like to shave your face everyday. She just doesn't want her boobs anymore so she doesn't have to feel like a target or victim.

Posted by Stardustmopped
There’s a lot of topics here but the one I’m curious about is that …men are transitioning into women because they failed to live up to the societal expectations of what it means to be a man? Right?

I’ve seen a lot of hypermasculine men transition. Gabbi Tuft former WWE wrestler comes to mind. They were hot af as a man. How do we explain those people? I don’t know their life, it could have stemmed from trauma but they seemed pretty well adjusted as a man-wife, family, career.

Those men who transform themselves as women want to get fucked. My guess is they tired of living as a man and they think living as women would be easy. Even I gotta say some transvestite look cute while some can at least shave their faces if they want to go all the way with it.

transsexualism itself is a spectrum. There are : real hermaphrodites, frustrated homosexuals, crossdressers (gay or straight), aesthetes, women who don't accept imposed feminity or are scared to be preyed on by men, men who don't accept imposed masculinity, etc, etc...but most modern people(post 2000s) who define themselves as "transgenders" are just sexual perverts, men who fetishize and the sexualize women image, with mental problems and supported by a certain group of people who constantly fund and support subversion of societies.

The rules should be simple:do what you want, don't bother others, treat the mentally sick people and don't touch the kids, but even this is too much for this particular group of people who hates healthy societies.

Realllly makes you think.

By the way, "LGBT" is not a real thing. Most of these different letters don't have anything to do with each other, and even hate each other sometimes. It's just a certain group of people who decided to bundle them together as a group, and use them as a rock to throw at healthy societies. to disrupt politics. It's a syndicate, but the people who use it for disruption (and their follower sheep), are not LGBT themselves most of the time.

Unlike what they want you to believe, gays are very rarely persecuted, except in modern anti-western societies who resist these imposed values, but in most times and places accross the wheel of time, gay men were always at the top of the power scale, and not bothering anybody with it.

I don't really know this person, I don't have an opinion on their experience, and I honestly am not trying to speak for anyone's experience.



Just googling the pictures of this person, there looks like a lot of oversexualization going on there... Just visually the look is giving, being an sexual object for men. But you can also attribute that to the WWE culture, that oversexualizes everything.

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Posted by Stardustmopped
There’s a lot of topics here but the one I’m curious about is that …men are transitioning into women because they failed to live up to the societal expectations of what it means to be a man? Right?
I’ve seen a lot of hypermasculine men transition. Gabbi Tuft former WWE wrestler comes to mind. They were hot af as a man. How do we explain those people? I don’t know their life, it could have stemmed from trauma but they seemed pretty well adjusted as a man-wife, family, career.

Those men who transform themselves as women want to get fucked. My guess is they tired of living as a man and they think living as women would be easy. Even I gotta say some transvestite look cute while some can at least shave their faces if they want to go all the way with it.

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Damn. This is exactly what someone said to me. He has a friend who's now gay?? Or something because he says he knew his friend as a teenager and this friend had posters of hot women on his walls. And me being a doubter,I was like, well he was just suppressing his sexuality by being hyper masculine and super straight (which is a valid gay experience sometimes) .. but his friend was watching straight porn at the time too. So, I don't know, maybe there are a few that go that route too.

Hot take, but I think the most outspoken transgender people in today's society tend to really let their issues overshadow the gender's/sex's rights. Are trans women really understanding or even advocating for born-as-female rights? They may never truly know. I respect their expression though even if they proverbially have grabbed the mic and hogged it to themselves 🙃 sorry, I'm just neglected

@Solo

I think this is a big enough issue that 1 out of 10 people may know someone who is dealing with it. That is a relatively small percentage of people.

But this topic in our culture is affecting almost everyone and is causing a lot dividing our culture. Either your for "THIS" and "THAT", or your against it "ALL". And I think my argument is that "THIS" and "THAT" are two very different things, and the division more about the "THAT" then the "THIS", so lets talk about that.

(lol, that paragraph just delighted my gem moon)

I don't understand your last paragraph, but I will say that I do care about what vulnerable people in our society are being exposed to, that their feelings that something is wrong with them are systematically being validated, and encouraged. I think this is very harmful.

@Solo

Ok so lets talk about policy, I live in California at least for the next 4 months.

Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns.

All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws.

You see where this is going? I see where this had good intentions to solve problems, but you are creating more problems. And I just don't think that what the government should be for.

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Posted by Stardustmopped
There’s a lot of topics here but the one I’m curious about is that …men are transitioning into women because they failed to live up to the societal expectations of what it means to be a man? Right?
I’ve seen a lot of hypermasculine men transition. Gabbi Tuft former WWE wrestler comes to mind. They were hot af as a man. How do we explain those people? I don’t know their life, it could have stemmed from trauma but they seemed pretty well adjusted as a man-wife, family, career.

Those men who transform themselves as women want to get fucked. My guess is they tired of living as a man and they think living as women would be easy. Even I gotta say some transvestite look cute while some can at least shave their faces if they want to go all the way with it.

Damn. This is exactly what someone said to me. He has a friend who's now gay?? Or something because he says he knew his friend as a teenager and this friend had posters of hot women on his walls. And me being a doubter,I was like, well he was just suppressing his sexuality by being hyper masculine and super straight (which is a valid gay experience sometimes) .. but his friend was watching straight porn at the time too. So, I don't know, maybe there are a few that go that route too.

Hot take, but I think the most outspoken transgender people in today's society tend to really let their issues overshadow the gender's/sex's rights. Are trans women really understanding or even advocating for born-as-female rights? They may never truly know. I respect their expression though even if they proverbially have grabbed the mic and hogged it to themselves 🙃 sorry, I'm just neglected

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Well it's obvious he's not gay if he got posters of hot women. If he's a hundred percent gay I would think he would have posters of hot men. I think that's one way of showing your gay side. Heck even I had posters of male professional wrestlers as a late teenager to my early 20s and I never consider myself gay. I was just a fan of them. They can hog the mic up all to themselves all they want I couldn't care less. But I know who ain't gone hog the mic all up to express themselves....me! I ain't got nothing to prove.

Perhaps the movement is for covert depopulation without ripping out the camos.

2. Hormone therapy is essentially sterilization. These people will never experience their own family in its raw form.

This is all promoted and subsidized by your government. And other 'left' leaning admins across Europe etc.

In my opinion, it is all about a religious / world domination shift. Weaken the population, run their house of cards on fumes then finish them off.

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Posted by Astrobyn
@Solo
Ok so lets talk about policy, I live in California at least for the next 4 months.
Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws.
You see where this is going? I see where this had good intentions to solve problems, but you are creating more problems. And I just don't think that what the government should be for.

Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns. ----- yeah this is something that I'm unsure about. To "turn kids in" could hurt them if their parents are those kinds, but also maybe it could cause undue influence to "try it out" tho I'm not really sure, just a personal thought. Ultimately I think it's on the parents to be on top of their childs health though and should know about that kinda stuff going on before school would ever be aware.

All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws. ----- idk about a school but this doesn't sound bad to me? What is any medical care, ANY ANY? I don't see contraceptives being provided to a teenager that wants them as a bad thing. And kids are a wide range and we know how much they differ year to year.

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If the government gives my kid prescription drugs without my knowledge or approval, I'll be the first one to support the civil war.

I don't even get into any of that. It's too much yapping. Bottom line is weak mindedness is considered a good thing, where strong dominance is considered bad. Like weak men and weak women are what seems to be taking over the world. You got weak degenerate women with weak degenerate men who want to worship them. Trans or not, it's all the same. The second you add sexuality and attraction into the mix it turns into a fuck fest rather than anything reasonable with actual morals. It's due to the brain rot from porn and social media. Men and women both are simply gross. I accept trans people. I know someone who was a girl who sat next to me in art class, and now he is truly a handsome looking man. At the same time he doesn't sell his body over the internet. So there is a fine line for me though. Trans people shouldn't be selling sexuality to children. That would be like me going up to kids and explaining natural reproduction. There is a time and place. It's called sex education, and taught to teenagers around the age of 16.

Anything @solo says in this topic is mush mouth warped brain rot. I'm at the point I think the kid is better off just deleting tbh.

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Perhaps the movement is for covert depopulation without ripping out the camos.

2. Hormone therapy is essentially sterilization. These people will never experience their own family in its raw form.

This is all promoted and subsidized by your government. And other 'left' leaning admins across Europe etc.

In my opinion, it is all about a religious / world domination shift. Weaken the population, run their house of cards on fumes then finish them off.

Its very evil/selfish.

To demobilise people.

'they' know the power/weaknesses of the mind

and essentially waste everyone's time because no one can progress efficiently while hurt/confused or too busy deleting others 'offline'. Their 'games' stay intact longer this way too. The bubbles gonna burst one way or another though.

Posted by Astrobyn
I’m really struggling with the how our society combines Transgender issues and polices with Gay issues and polices. So, I would like to talk my thoughts out with anyone willing to discuss this with me respectfully.

I could never really validate the transgender issue, because gender has little value to me. I see gender as a mechanism in the systems of life to keep it advancing.

What we consider male vs female in humanity, mostly has to do with cultural constructs. I will agree most of the time it is just an exaggeration of biology. Women are built with bigger hips, so we walk with a sway naturally, our faces flush during arousal so we put makeup on to mimic those experiences. Which I think really comes down to a matting competition in some ways.

I do believe that masculine and femineity is a spectrum. Some of it is natural based on or biology and some of it is our experience and conditioning. But different cultures have valued different feminine and masculine traits, which become the cultural norm for them.

But for someone to say, I feel like the opposite gender makes no sense to me. I do not “feel” like a woman, I have the body of a woman, I have the cultural experience and conditioning of a woman. But that is all superficial and has little do with how I feel as a human being.

But that’s all gender is to me, the body (genitalia/hormones) and experience/conditioning. So, if a person does not have the body or conditioning of gender, how do they feel that they are that gender?

I agree that we all take on an identity, we create and nurture an ego which is vital to participate in the shared experience in this world. And fuck it if I care what identity you want to take on, and what experiences you want to have while you are on this earth. But I don’t like how some parts of our culture are promoting or encouraging this, because I think this is affecting some of the most vulnerable people.

I do not mean this as an insult, but when I look at the individual Trans experience, it seems to always be a response to trauma, or fetishization.

I see men and women who don’t always fit, the gender roles of the culture, have a lot of negative experiences, and that trauma can result in the rejection of what people see as their deficiency in that gender defined by the culture.

And honestly when I see Transgender women oversexualizing themselves 24/7, I do see it as a fetishization of women, and find it insulting. But I see this more as sexuality vs identity. If that makes sense?

Anyways these are my thoughts when it comes to gender and western culture, I would love a discussion to understand different POV further.

I have nothing to say other than this whole thing 'feels' evil to me and I just don't understand.

(I can't actually believe I'm allowed to see men beat a woman face in on tv and people cheer.)

There are some questionable things that are off about how society (we) deal in 'genders' but in nature, the male has the sperm, the female has the egg. That's it.

When people 'feel' like another sex or are confused with their identity growing up, this stage in development is normal. However this stage in development is being used now to manipulate (both the child and parents) to 'disconnect all' from all natural self including the heart.

So guess what, now people are not making wise decisions and quick to anger because the respect and value to self is now is gone.

What happens when there is no value in what one sees in the mirror? Damage.

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Posted by Astrobyn
I’m really struggling with the how our society combines Transgender issues and polices with Gay issues and polices. So, I would like to talk my thoughts out with anyone willing to discuss this with me respectfully.
I could never really validate the transgender issue, because gender has little value to me. I see gender as a mechanism in the systems of life to keep it advancing.
What we consider male vs female in humanity, mostly has to do with cultural constructs. I will agree most of the time it is just an exaggeration of biology. Women are built with bigger hips, so we walk with a sway naturally, our faces flush during arousal so we put makeup on to mimic those experiences. Which I think really comes down to a matting competition in some ways.
I do believe that masculine and femineity is a spectrum. Some of it is natural based on or biology and some of it is our experience and conditioning. But different cultures have valued different feminine and masculine traits, which become the cultural norm for them.
But for someone to say, I feel like the opposite gender makes no sense to me. I do not “feel” like a woman, I have the body of a woman, I have the cultural experience and conditioning of a woman. But that is all superficial and has little do with how I feel as a human being.
But that’s all gender is to me, the body (genitalia/hormones) and experience/conditioning. So, if a person does not have the body or conditioning of gender, how do they feel that they are that gender?
I agree that we all take on an identity, we create and nurture an ego which is vital to participate in the shared experience in this world. And fuck it if I care what identity you want to take on, and what experiences you want to have while you are on this earth. But I don’t like how some parts of our culture are promoting or encouraging this, because I think this is affecting some of the most vulnerable people.
I do not mean this as an insult, but when I look at the individual Trans experience, it seems to always be a response to trauma, or fetishization.
I see men and women who don’t always fit, the gender roles of the culture, have a lot of negative experiences, and that trauma can result in the rejection of what people see as their deficiency in that gender defined by the culture.
And honestly when I see Transgender women oversexualizing themselves 24/7, I do see it as a fetishization of women, and find it insulting. But I see this more as sexuality vs identity. If that makes sense?
Anyways these are my thoughts when it comes to gender and western culture, I would love a discussion to understand different POV further.

I have nothing to say other than this whole thing 'feels' evil to me and I just don't understand.

(I can't actually believe I'm allowed to see men beat a woman face in on tv and people cheer.)

There are some questionable things that are off about how society (we) deal in 'genders' but in nature, the male has the sperm, the female has the egg. That's it.

When people 'feel' like another sex or are confused with their identity growing up, this stage in development is normal. However this stage in development is being used now to manipulate (both the child and parents) to 'disconnect all' from all natural self including the heart.

So guess what, now people are not making wise decisions and quick to anger because the respect and value to self is now is gone.

What happens when there is no value in what one sees in the mirror? Damage.

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I apricate your perspective, and I agree.

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@Solo
Ok so lets talk about policy, I live in California at least for the next 4 months.
Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws.
You see where this is going? I see where this had good intentions to solve problems, but you are creating more problems. And I just don't think that what the government should be for.

Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns. ----- yeah this is something that I'm unsure about. To "turn kids in" could hurt them if their parents are those kinds, but also maybe it could cause undue influence to "try it out" tho I'm not really sure, just a personal thought. Ultimately I think it's on the parents to be on top of their childs health though and should know about that kinda stuff going on before school would ever be aware.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws. ----- idk about a school but this doesn't sound bad to me? What is any medical care, ANY ANY? I don't see contraceptives being provided to a teenager that wants them as a bad thing. And kids are a wide range and we know how much they differ year to year.
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If the government gives my kid prescription drugs without my knowledge or approval, I'll be the first one to support the civil war.
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Can you cite me this? The only thing that I've found is on College Campuses.

But also, I'll just add in that if it was public schools, you say you'd start a civil war over that - lets keep it in the context of contraception since that's where it seems to be - So you'd rather your kid get pregnant or knock someone up? You can say "my kid won't do that" but we know kids are kids. You'd rather your kid have unsafe sex than safe? Kids have sex at school and shit, you're not gonna be around all the time.

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Well, with the prevalence of super resistant STDs floating around and some very interesting increases of HIV 1/2, the folks protesting having open access to clinics/resources (in schools or otherwise) are going to be very upset and SOL when their child's reproductive organs rot away.

As a former high school teacher - I saw and heard some very interesting things going on when the students didn't think I was paying attention. Kids are NOT angels anymore, and if you think yours are: you're in for a shock. There's a reason schools have metal detectors and video cameras EVERYWHERE except the restrooms - and even that could change soon, and probably should.

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@Solo
Ok so lets talk about policy, I live in California at least for the next 4 months.
Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws.
You see where this is going? I see where this had good intentions to solve problems, but you are creating more problems. And I just don't think that what the government should be for.

Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns. ----- yeah this is something that I'm unsure about. To "turn kids in" could hurt them if their parents are those kinds, but also maybe it could cause undue influence to "try it out" tho I'm not really sure, just a personal thought. Ultimately I think it's on the parents to be on top of their childs health though and should know about that kinda stuff going on before school would ever be aware.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws. ----- idk about a school but this doesn't sound bad to me? What is any medical care, ANY ANY? I don't see contraceptives being provided to a teenager that wants them as a bad thing. And kids are a wide range and we know how much they differ year to year.
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If the government gives my kid prescription drugs without my knowledge or approval, I'll be the first one to support the civil war.
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Can you cite me this? The only thing that I've found is on College Campuses.
But also, I'll just add in that if it was public schools, you say you'd start a civil war over that - lets keep it in the context of contraception since that's where it seems to be - So you'd rather your kid get pregnant or knock someone up? You can say "my kid won't do that" but we know kids are kids. You'd rather your kid have unsafe sex than safe? Kids have sex at school and shit, you're not gonna be around all the time.
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Well, with the prevalence of super resistant STDs floating around and some very interesting increases of HIV 1/2, the folks protesting having open access to clinics/resources (in schools or otherwise) are going to be very upset and SOL when their child's reproductive organs rot away.
As a former high school teacher - I saw and heard some very interesting things going on when the students didn't think I was paying attention. Kids are NOT angels anymore, and if you think yours are: you're in for a shock. There's a reason schools have metal detectors and video cameras EVERYWHERE except the restrooms - and even that could change soon, and probably should.
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Yeeeeerrrrp or they'll blame their kids for sinning and tell them that it's a consequence from God. People were fingering/sucking/fucking under the stairwells at my high school. A lotta kids I knew had already had sex in MIDDLE SCHOOL. And I went to a good school! Like there were no daily fights or anything like that. Stuff popped off but it generally wasn't often. People were more likely to come in drunk and off drugs and fuck than fight.

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A couple self-righteous people in here are in for a rude awakening. 😇

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@Solo
Ok so lets talk about policy, I live in California at least for the next 4 months.
Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws.
You see where this is going? I see where this had good intentions to solve problems, but you are creating more problems. And I just don't think that what the government should be for.

Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns. ----- yeah this is something that I'm unsure about. To "turn kids in" could hurt them if their parents are those kinds, but also maybe it could cause undue influence to "try it out" tho I'm not really sure, just a personal thought. Ultimately I think it's on the parents to be on top of their childs health though and should know about that kinda stuff going on before school would ever be aware.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws. ----- idk about a school but this doesn't sound bad to me? What is any medical care, ANY ANY? I don't see contraceptives being provided to a teenager that wants them as a bad thing. And kids are a wide range and we know how much they differ year to year.
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If the government gives my kid prescription drugs without my knowledge or approval, I'll be the first one to support the civil war.
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Can you cite me this? The only thing that I've found is on College Campuses.

But also, I'll just add in that if it was public schools, you say you'd start a civil war over that - lets keep it in the context of contraception since that's where it seems to be - So you'd rather your kid get pregnant or knock someone up? You can say "my kid won't do that" but we know kids are kids. You'd rather your kid have unsafe sex than safe? Kids have sex at school and shit, you're not gonna be around all the time.

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Here is a list of all the schools with clinics

https://www.schoolhealthcenters.org/school-based-health/sbhcs-by-county/

They call them wellness centers but these are full on clinics run by companies that have many other locations open to the public. The ones in our city are listed as Non-Profit organization, I don't understand that.. nor do i believe that there isn't a financial motivation to these entities. Most of the care given is subsidized by the state, as I understand.

I'm not exactly sure how it works, my kid is 7, every year when I register her for public school, there is a question to opt into free health insurance, and its worded like "if your child need medical care, do we have your permission to use this free health insurance to get your child the help that they need."

So I think once you check that box and sign the registration form, they are good to go to clinic at no cost and if they are over the age of 12 they can do so without your consent.

and I just pulled this off of google regarding CA laws...

Minor consent laws

Minors aged 12 and over can consent to some services without parent or guardian involvement, including sexual and reproductive health, mental health, and drug and alcohol treatment.

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@Solo
Ok so lets talk about policy, I live in California at least for the next 4 months.
Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws.
You see where this is going? I see where this had good intentions to solve problems, but you are creating more problems. And I just don't think that what the government should be for.

Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns. ----- yeah this is something that I'm unsure about. To "turn kids in" could hurt them if their parents are those kinds, but also maybe it could cause undue influence to "try it out" tho I'm not really sure, just a personal thought. Ultimately I think it's on the parents to be on top of their childs health though and should know about that kinda stuff going on before school would ever be aware.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws. ----- idk about a school but this doesn't sound bad to me? What is any medical care, ANY ANY? I don't see contraceptives being provided to a teenager that wants them as a bad thing. And kids are a wide range and we know how much they differ year to year.
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If the government gives my kid prescription drugs without my knowledge or approval, I'll be the first one to support the civil war.
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Can you cite me this? The only thing that I've found is on College Campuses.
But also, I'll just add in that if it was public schools, you say you'd start a civil war over that - lets keep it in the context of contraception since that's where it seems to be - So you'd rather your kid get pregnant or knock someone up? You can say "my kid won't do that" but we know kids are kids. You'd rather your kid have unsafe sex than safe? Kids have sex at school and shit, you're not gonna be around all the time.
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Well, with the prevalence of super resistant STDs floating around and some very interesting increases of HIV 1/2, the folks protesting having open access to clinics/resources (in schools or otherwise) are going to be very upset and SOL when their child's reproductive organs rot away.

As a former high school teacher - I saw and heard some very interesting things going on when the students didn't think I was paying attention. Kids are NOT angels anymore, and if you think yours are: you're in for a shock. There's a reason schools have metal detectors and video cameras EVERYWHERE except the restrooms - and even that could change soon, and probably should.

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This doesn't justify removing the parental rights.

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@Solo
Ok so lets talk about policy, I live in California at least for the next 4 months.
Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws.
You see where this is going? I see where this had good intentions to solve problems, but you are creating more problems. And I just don't think that what the government should be for.

Currently in public school, there are laws that prohibit educators from notifying parents if your kid changes their name or pronouns. ----- yeah this is something that I'm unsure about. To "turn kids in" could hurt them if their parents are those kinds, but also maybe it could cause undue influence to "try it out" tho I'm not really sure, just a personal thought. Ultimately I think it's on the parents to be on top of their childs health though and should know about that kinda stuff going on before school would ever be aware.
All of the High schools in the town that I live have a healthcare clinic inside of the high school, they sign all these kids up for Medical-Cal and now they have free healthcare down the hall from Algebra. and these kids can get any medical care without the knowledge or permission of their parents paid for by the state. Including Hormonal Birth Control, more awesome laws. ----- idk about a school but this doesn't sound bad to me? What is any medical care, ANY ANY? I don't see contraceptives being provided to a teenager that wants them as a bad thing. And kids are a wide range and we know how much they differ year to year.
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If the government gives my kid prescription drugs without my knowledge or approval, I'll be the first one to support the civil war.
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Can you cite me this? The only thing that I've found is on College Campuses.
But also, I'll just add in that if it was public schools, you say you'd start a civil war over that - lets keep it in the context of contraception since that's where it seems to be - So you'd rather your kid get pregnant or knock someone up? You can say "my kid won't do that" but we know kids are kids. You'd rather your kid have unsafe sex than safe? Kids have sex at school and shit, you're not gonna be around all the time.
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Well, with the prevalence of super resistant STDs floating around and some very interesting increases of HIV 1/2, the folks protesting having open access to clinics/resources (in schools or otherwise) are going to be very upset and SOL when their child's reproductive organs rot away.
As a former high school teacher - I saw and heard some very interesting things going on when the students didn't think I was paying attention. Kids are NOT angels anymore, and if you think yours are: you're in for a shock. There's a reason schools have metal detectors and video cameras EVERYWHERE except the restrooms - and even that could change soon, and probably should.
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This doesn't justify removing the parental rights.

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After working with student's parents personally and in a professional manner, I regretfully disagree wholeheartedly. If you had things under control, metal detectors, cameras, and health care facilities inside of schools wouldn't be necessary.

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I like the male criminals who are saying theyre women and then impregnating the women's prisons.. to me, that's the peak of quintessential gullibleness.

And men who have think It’s okay to use women’s bathrooms and changing rooms because they “identify” as a woman

The world has gone completely mad.

As for the way children are being brainwashed, that is totally outrageous and should be stopped. We all know children are susceptible and open to suggestions by adults …

I think that there are some points made that some policies that remove parental rights individual minors who may not have the preferential parental guidance, which can benefit society as a whole.

But choosing this over taking away our freedom, in the form of limiting our parental rights. Is a really bad road to go down, our freedoms will to be chipped away in the name of what is good for all as we continue down this path, especially as we head into a new future with AI.

I just don't agree with it.

This you tube video came out today, (full disclosure I think undercurrents skews right of the political spectrum). But I love how this doctor is describing the effects of hormones as human goes threw the human maturation process.

My opinion that this should be done on children or anyone under the age of 25 has been clear to me. But I think this lay's it all out. and its totally, Sciences

and @Solo a report came out last week, and it is a lot more kids then we all thought.

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This you tube video came out today, (full disclosure I think undercurrents skews right of the political spectrum). But I love how this doctor is describing the effects of hormones as human goes threw the human maturation process.
My opinion that this should be done on children or anyone under the age of 25 has been clear to me. But I think this lay's it all out. and its totally, Sciences
and @Solo a report came out last week, and it is a lot more kids then we all thought.

I'll have to look at this when I come back later, but relevant to Grossman - What do you think about conversion therapy for gay people? What do you think about no sexual education in schools across the country?

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idk who/what Grossman is. I think conversion therapy for gay people is stupid and very harmful.

Personally I don't have a problem educating my child about sex, she's 7 and probably has more knowledge about the subject then most kids in high school.

Honestly sex is so weird in our culture, we still have a lot of puritan values, but also hardcore porn is also apart of mainstream consciousness.

I don't have a good answer on how to address it through education.

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This you tube video came out today, (full disclosure I think undercurrents skews right of the political spectrum). But I love how this doctor is describing the effects of hormones as human goes threw the human maturation process.
My opinion that this should be done on children or anyone under the age of 25 has been clear to me. But I think this lay's it all out. and its totally, Sciences
and @Solo a report came out last week, and it is a lot more kids then we all thought.

I'll have to look at this when I come back later, but relevant to Grossman - What do you think about conversion therapy for gay people? What do you think about no sexual education in schools across the country?
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idk who/what Grossman is. I think conversion therapy for gay people is stupid and very harmful.
Personally I don't have a problem educating my child about sex, she's 7 and probably has more knowledge about the subject then most kids in high school.
Honestly sex is so weird in our culture, we still have a lot of puritan values, but also hardcore porn is also apart of mainstream consciousness.
I don't have a good answer on how to address it through education.

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I agree with your statement about sex being viewed oddly in our culture lol. It really is.

With regard to Grossman, that's who's claiming the science though, right? And those are her views, allegedly. I say that because y'know, I'm going off of wiki stuff about what she's participated in. Her website is.. interesting. She's also misrepresenting something like puberty blockers having a chance to affect fertility by sensationalizing it saying children are being sterilized. The Cass report does question the efficacy of puberty blockers and hormone therapy early on but does generally say that better training should be adopted, better evidence should be brought forward, working off of high-quality evidence should be encouraged, access to care should be expanded, trans people should participate in studies for long term results and potentially different routes of care, and that everyone should remember to keep the standard of healthcare the same for everyone while still offering personalized approaches and more than that.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/in-what-is-a-woman-matt-walsh-asks-a-question/

here's a thing that references a previous appearance from her.

https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/

here's the review where you can read an overview on page or read the entire pdf if you'd like - this is guided toward the NHS

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This is not hard to understand or for me to agree, hormone blockers are going to retard the puberty process of your body and also your brain. When hormones are basically the magic ingredient that unlocks everything in your body.

We are literally sterilizing ourselves from drinking water out of plastic bottles, because these micro plastic mimic hormones in our body.

Our medical industry is just the next evolution of quackery and snake oil. Our knowledge at this point is so limited we don't even know what the appendix is for. We don't have a full grasp on how our bodies work as it relates to our medical industry.

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This you tube video came out today, (full disclosure I think undercurrents skews right of the political spectrum). But I love how this doctor is describing the effects of hormones as human goes threw the human maturation process.
My opinion that this should be done on children or anyone under the age of 25 has been clear to me. But I think this lay's it all out. and its totally, Sciences
and @Solo a report came out last week, and it is a lot more kids then we all thought.

I'll have to look at this when I come back later, but relevant to Grossman - What do you think about conversion therapy for gay people? What do you think about no sexual education in schools across the country?
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idk who/what Grossman is. I think conversion therapy for gay people is stupid and very harmful.
Personally I don't have a problem educating my child about sex, she's 7 and probably has more knowledge about the subject then most kids in high school.
Honestly sex is so weird in our culture, we still have a lot of puritan values, but also hardcore porn is also apart of mainstream consciousness.
I don't have a good answer on how to address it through education.
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I agree with your statement about sex being viewed oddly in our culture lol. It really is.
With regard to Grossman, that's who's claiming the science though, right? And those are her views, allegedly. I say that because y'know, I'm going off of wiki stuff about what she's participated in. Her website is.. interesting. She's also misrepresenting something like puberty blockers having a chance to affect fertility by sensationalizing it saying children are being sterilized. The Cass report does question the efficacy of puberty blockers and hormone therapy early on but does generally say that better training should be adopted, better evidence should be brought forward, working off of high-quality evidence should be encouraged, access to care should be expanded, trans people should participate in studies for long term results and potentially different routes of care, and that everyone should remember to keep the standard of healthcare the same for everyone while still offering personalized approaches and more than that.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/in-what-is-a-woman-matt-walsh-asks-a-question/
here's a thing that references a previous appearance from her.
https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/
here's the review where you can read an overview on page or read the entire pdf if you'd like - this is guided toward the NHS
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This is not hard to understand or for me to agree, hormone blockers are going to retard the puberty process of your body and also your brain. When hormones are basically the magic ingredient that unlocks everything in your body.

We are literally sterilizing ourselves from drinking water out of plastic bottles, because these micro plastic mimic hormones in our body.

Our medical industry is just the next evolution of quackery and snake oil. Our knowledge at this point is so limited we don't even know what the appendix is for. We don't have a full grasp on how our bodies work as it relates to our medical industry.

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The medical industry has discouraged people from listening to their bodies and healing themselves.

They have installed so much fear and mistrust in human intuition due to their greed and brainwashed so many people into believing they need to fill their their bodies with synthetic medicine. One woman I spoke to said she was having side effects from statins and her doc told her she’d have a heart

attack if she came off them. Total fearmongering. He also told her “everyone’s on statins”

Bullshit

It’s a huge money making scam which has the potential to harm people.

i raised this exact issue here a year ago and a few liberals came for my neck 😅

https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/something-unsettling-about-pushing-lgbtq-on-kids--15592223/

at this point, i don’t even openly talk about the trans issue. i don’t wanna get bitched at by wokies 😅

i’m just quietly hoping more and more people wake up and see how ridiculous and harmful things have gotten. if enough people become suspicious and say no, this madness will cease to continue.

things such as….

doctors/elites/big pharma trying to get rich off of gender affirming care/procedures on minors, dudes dressed up as women throwing tantrums at restaurants for being called “sir”, mediocre dudes in sports who used to rank 462nd in men’s division now ranking 1st in women’s division, woke teachers irresponsibly telling kids they can be whatever gender they wanna be, people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions, the whole they/them nonsense, people identifying as pretty much anything under the sun including animals/objects and trying to drag mentally stable people into it by throwing tantrums when people refuse to participate in their delusions etc

level headed folks of the LGBT community don’t wanna be associated with or lumped together with the above nonsense. 😅 and if we dare to even say anything about it, these wokies will immediately go into victim mode.😅

they make even regular gay dudes like me look like homophobic straight men from the deep south or something 😂

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i raised this exact issue here a year ago and a few liberals came for my neck 😅

https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/something-unsettling-about-pushing-lgbtq-on-kids--15592223/

at this point, i don’t even openly talk about the trans issue. i don’t wanna get bitched at by wokies 😅

i’m just quietly hoping more and more people wake up and see how ridiculous and harmful things have gotten. if enough people become suspicious and say no, this madness will cease to continue.

things such as….

doctors/elites/big pharma trying to get rich off of gender affirming care/procedures on minors, dudes dressed up as women throwing tantrums at restaurants for being called “sir”, mediocre dudes in sports who used to rank 462nd in men’s division now ranking 1st in women’s division, woke teachers irresponsibly telling kids they can be whatever gender they wanna be, people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions, the whole they/them nonsense, people identifying as pretty much anything under the sun including animals/objects and trying to drag mentally stable people into it by throwing tantrums when people refuse to participate in their delusions etc

level headed folks of the LGBT community don’t wanna be associated with or lumped together with the above nonsense. 😅 and if we dare to even say anything about it, these wokies will immediately go into victim mode.😅

they make even regular gay dudes like me look like homophobic straight men from the deep south or something 😂

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I’m really struggling with the how our society combines Transgender issues and polices with Gay issues and polices. So, I would like to talk my thoughts out with anyone willing to discuss this with me respectfully.

I could never really validate the transgender issue, because gender has little value to me. I see gender as a mechanism in the systems of life to keep it advancing.

What we consider male vs female in humanity, mostly has to do with cultural constructs. I will agree most of the time it is just an exaggeration of biology. Women are built with bigger hips, so we walk with a sway naturally, our faces flush during arousal so we put makeup on to mimic those experiences. Which I think really comes down to a matting competition in some ways.

I do believe that masculine and femineity is a spectrum. Some of it is natural based on or biology and some of it is our experience and conditioning. But different cultures have valued different feminine and masculine traits, which become the cultural norm for them.

But for someone to say, I feel like the opposite gender makes no sense to me. I do not “feel” like a woman, I have the body of a woman, I have the cultural experience and conditioning of a woman. But that is all superficial and has little do with how I feel as a human being.

But that’s all gender is to me, the body (genitalia/hormones) and experience/conditioning. So, if a person does not have the body or conditioning of gender, how do they feel that they are that gender?

I agree that we all take on an identity, we create and nurture an ego which is vital to participate in the shared experience in this world. And fuck it if I care what identity you want to take on, and what experiences you want to have while you are on this earth. But I don’t like how some parts of our culture are promoting or encouraging this, because I think this is affecting some of the most vulnerable people.

I do not mean this as an insult, but when I look at the individual Trans experience, it seems to always be a response to trauma, or fetishization.

I see men and women who don’t always fit, the gender roles of the culture, have a lot of negative experiences, and that trauma can result in the rejection of what people see as their deficiency in that gender defined by the culture.

And honestly when I see Transgender women oversexualizing themselves 24/7, I do see it as a fetishization of women, and find it insulting. But I see this more as sexuality vs identity. If that makes sense?

Anyways these are my thoughts when it comes to gender and western culture, I would love a discussion to understand different POV further.

Reading the first page of this thread was gross.

Throught history there have been gay and lesbian people. As well as those who find both attatrctive sexually. It's natural.

I believe this scares some people because weaker people question that possibilty for themselves.

Transgender is even rarer and new. Use to just be cross dressing and the like. Now those who feel strongly enough can transform the external.

The over politicalsization and publicity is blowing this all out of perportion. I personally have met 2 who you wouldn't know unless someone told you. They fit as a woman mind body and soul. Thats a percent of a percent population wise. So why are people losingbthier fucking minds over this. If that rarity is so much a issue go play the lottery every weak. Sometimes it is just mental health, not hurting yourself or others leave them alone.

Kids naturally expertment and explore different things growing up. They are finding themselves. They play pretend as naturally as we breath. What comes natural/fits the indivisual they will keep and will change as they better understand the world and themeelves.



The over dramatization of the topic has opened the door for the young to explore it in unhealthy ways which matches the tone of the discussion.

Really fucking unhealthy, ignorant and toxic.

None of the LGBTQ issues are complex or even complicated. It's a discription of gender and sexuality.

Humans are strange wonderfully complex creatures but.... people are stupid.

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i raised this exact issue here a year ago and a few liberals came for my neck 😅
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/something-unsettling-about-pushing-lgbtq-on-kids--15592223/
at this point, i don’t even openly talk about the trans issue. i don’t wanna get bitched at by wokies 😅
i’m just quietly hoping more and more people wake up and see how ridiculous and harmful things have gotten. if enough people become suspicious and say no, this madness will cease to continue.
things such as….
doctors/elites/big pharma trying to get rich off of gender affirming care/procedures on minors, dudes dressed up as women throwing tantrums at restaurants for being called “sir”, mediocre dudes in sports who used to rank 462nd in men’s division now ranking 1st in women’s division, woke teachers irresponsibly telling kids they can be whatever gender they wanna be, people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions, the whole they/them nonsense, people identifying as pretty much anything under the sun including animals/objects and trying to drag mentally stable people into it by throwing tantrums when people refuse to participate in their delusions etc
level headed folks of the LGBT community don’t wanna be associated with or lumped together with the above nonsense. 😅 and if we dare to even say anything about it, these wokies will immediately go into victim mode.😅
they make even regular gay dudes like me look like homophobic straight men from the deep south or something 😂

people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions ----- this is the kinda fear mongering they do over GAY PEOPLE LIKE YOU lol. They think YOURE a groomer.

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whoever “they” are, i haven’t met them. *shrug* intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t. for example, conservatives love level headed trans people like blaire white because she stands for common sense. people are only afraid of (or more like disturbed) by the irrational gay/trans/non binary people who are like loose cannons or who act in questionable ways.

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i raised this exact issue here a year ago and a few liberals came for my neck 😅
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/something-unsettling-about-pushing-lgbtq-on-kids--15592223/
at this point, i don’t even openly talk about the trans issue. i don’t wanna get bitched at by wokies 😅
i’m just quietly hoping more and more people wake up and see how ridiculous and harmful things have gotten. if enough people become suspicious and say no, this madness will cease to continue.
things such as….
doctors/elites/big pharma trying to get rich off of gender affirming care/procedures on minors, dudes dressed up as women throwing tantrums at restaurants for being called “sir”, mediocre dudes in sports who used to rank 462nd in men’s division now ranking 1st in women’s division, woke teachers irresponsibly telling kids they can be whatever gender they wanna be, people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions, the whole they/them nonsense, people identifying as pretty much anything under the sun including animals/objects and trying to drag mentally stable people into it by throwing tantrums when people refuse to participate in their delusions etc
level headed folks of the LGBT community don’t wanna be associated with or lumped together with the above nonsense. 😅 and if we dare to even say anything about it, these wokies will immediately go into victim mode.😅
they make even regular gay dudes like me look like homophobic straight men from the deep south or something 😂

people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions ----- this is the kinda fear mongering they do over GAY PEOPLE LIKE YOU lol. They think YOURE a groomer.
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whoever “they” are, i haven’t met them. *shrug* intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t. for example, conservatives love level headed trans people like blaire white because she stands for common sense. people are only afraid of (or more like disturbed) by the irrational gay/trans/non binary people who are like loose cannons or who act in questionable ways.
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From 2022

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/11/1096623939/accusations-grooming-political-attack-homophobic-origins

"intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t" ----- even if we don't widen that statement and keep it to strictly knowing who would hurt a child, it's false.

https://www.d2l.org/education/5-steps/step-1/

30% of children are abused by family members.

As many as 60% are abused by people the family trusts.

We do not know every person that will hurt someone. "I never would have thought they'd be this type of person" is a common sentiment.

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from the article you posted:

*********On his Fox News program, Tucker Carlson claimed that California teachers are trying to "indoctrinate schoolchildren" about sexual and gender identity. "They're grooming 7-year-olds and talking to 7-year-olds about their sex lives," he said.

On her Fox News show, Laura Ingraham accused the Walt Disney Co. of "pushing a sexual agenda" on children. "This isn't programming. This is propaganda for grooming," she said.

And U.S. Senate candidate J.D. Vance of Ohio defended the term on Fox News, saying, "If you don't want to be called a groomer, don't try to sexualize 6-, 7-year-old children."*********



well, i’m not entirely sure but i’m guessing the teachers who were being accused of these things were caught talking to little kids about gender identity and sexuality and stuff? in that case, i’m sorry but i don’t really blame the parents for being upset. teachers should just teach the regular school curriculum and maybe basic morality and leave gender conversations to the parents. if a kid asks, the teacher can let the parent know first and let the parent decide what they wanna do/what they wanna tell their kids. then all of this might’ve been avoided? :/

like, when i see news like this, “parents livid over california school’s mandatory drag show” and many other news like this, i can sorta sympathize with the parents : https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/california-school-drag-show-causes-outrage-17832300.php

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i raised this exact issue here a year ago and a few liberals came for my neck 😅
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/something-unsettling-about-pushing-lgbtq-on-kids--15592223/
at this point, i don’t even openly talk about the trans issue. i don’t wanna get bitched at by wokies 😅
i’m just quietly hoping more and more people wake up and see how ridiculous and harmful things have gotten. if enough people become suspicious and say no, this madness will cease to continue.
things such as….
doctors/elites/big pharma trying to get rich off of gender affirming care/procedures on minors, dudes dressed up as women throwing tantrums at restaurants for being called “sir”, mediocre dudes in sports who used to rank 462nd in men’s division now ranking 1st in women’s division, woke teachers irresponsibly telling kids they can be whatever gender they wanna be, people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions, the whole they/them nonsense, people identifying as pretty much anything under the sun including animals/objects and trying to drag mentally stable people into it by throwing tantrums when people refuse to participate in their delusions etc
level headed folks of the LGBT community don’t wanna be associated with or lumped together with the above nonsense. 😅 and if we dare to even say anything about it, these wokies will immediately go into victim mode.😅
they make even regular gay dudes like me look like homophobic straight men from the deep south or something 😂

people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions ----- this is the kinda fear mongering they do over GAY PEOPLE LIKE YOU lol. They think YOURE a groomer.
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whoever “they” are, i haven’t met them. *shrug* intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t. for example, conservatives love level headed trans people like blaire white because she stands for common sense. people are only afraid of (or more like disturbed) by the irrational gay/trans/non binary people who are like loose cannons or who act in questionable ways.
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From 2022
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/11/1096623939/accusations-grooming-political-attack-homophobic-origins
"intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t" ----- even if we don't widen that statement and keep it to strictly knowing who would hurt a child, it's false.
https://www.d2l.org/education/5-steps/step-1/
30% of children are abused by family members.
As many as 60% are abused by people the family trusts.
We do not know every person that will hurt someone. "I never would have thought they'd be this type of person" is a common sentiment.
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from the article you posted:

*********On his Fox News program, Tucker Carlson claimed that California teachers are trying to "indoctrinate schoolchildren" about sexual and gender identity. "They're grooming 7-year-olds and talking to 7-year-olds about their sex lives," he said.

On her Fox News show, Laura Ingraham accused the Walt Disney Co. of "pushing a sexual agenda" on children. "This isn't programming. This is propaganda for grooming," she said.

And U.S. Senate candidate J.D. Vance of Ohio defended the term on Fox News, saying, "If you don't want to be called a groomer, don't try to sexualize 6-, 7-year-old children."*********


well, i’m not entirely sure but i’m guessing the teachers who were being accused of these things were caught talking to little kids about gender identity and sexuality and stuff? in that case, i’m sorry but i don’t really blame the parents for being upset. teachers should just teach the regular school curriculum and maybe basic morality and leave gender conversations to the parents. if a kid asks, the teacher can let the parent know first and let the parent decide what they wanna do/what they wanna tell their kids. then all of this might’ve been avoided? :/

like, when i see news like this, “parents livid over california school’s mandatory drag show” and many other news like this, i can sorta sympathize with the parents : https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/california-school-drag-show-causes-outrage-17832300.php

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Exactly. It really is quite messed up. You just have to realize these people who think they are woke are living in an isolated bubble in a sea of people who are actually awake. I truly feel bad for the woke mind. They can only view things with a one sided mind, and refuse to see how it effects everyone as a whole.

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i raised this exact issue here a year ago and a few liberals came for my neck 😅
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/something-unsettling-about-pushing-lgbtq-on-kids--15592223/
at this point, i don’t even openly talk about the trans issue. i don’t wanna get bitched at by wokies 😅
i’m just quietly hoping more and more people wake up and see how ridiculous and harmful things have gotten. if enough people become suspicious and say no, this madness will cease to continue.
things such as….
doctors/elites/big pharma trying to get rich off of gender affirming care/procedures on minors, dudes dressed up as women throwing tantrums at restaurants for being called “sir”, mediocre dudes in sports who used to rank 462nd in men’s division now ranking 1st in women’s division, woke teachers irresponsibly telling kids they can be whatever gender they wanna be, people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions, the whole they/them nonsense, people identifying as pretty much anything under the sun including animals/objects and trying to drag mentally stable people into it by throwing tantrums when people refuse to participate in their delusions etc
level headed folks of the LGBT community don’t wanna be associated with or lumped together with the above nonsense. 😅 and if we dare to even say anything about it, these wokies will immediately go into victim mode.😅
they make even regular gay dudes like me look like homophobic straight men from the deep south or something 😂

people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions ----- this is the kinda fear mongering they do over GAY PEOPLE LIKE YOU lol. They think YOURE a groomer.
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whoever “they” are, i haven’t met them. *shrug* intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t. for example, conservatives love level headed trans people like blaire white because she stands for common sense. people are only afraid of (or more like disturbed) by the irrational gay/trans/non binary people who are like loose cannons or who act in questionable ways.
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From 2022
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/11/1096623939/accusations-grooming-political-attack-homophobic-origins
"intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t" ----- even if we don't widen that statement and keep it to strictly knowing who would hurt a child, it's false.
https://www.d2l.org/education/5-steps/step-1/
30% of children are abused by family members.
As many as 60% are abused by people the family trusts.
We do not know every person that will hurt someone. "I never would have thought they'd be this type of person" is a common sentiment.
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from the article you posted:
*********On his Fox News program, Tucker Carlson claimed that California teachers are trying to "indoctrinate schoolchildren" about sexual and gender identity. "They're grooming 7-year-olds and talking to 7-year-olds about their sex lives," he said.
On her Fox News show, Laura Ingraham accused the Walt Disney Co. of "pushing a sexual agenda" on children. "This isn't programming. This is propaganda for grooming," she said.
And U.S. Senate candidate J.D. Vance of Ohio defended the term on Fox News, saying, "If you don't want to be called a groomer, don't try to sexualize 6-, 7-year-old children."*********

well, i’m not entirely sure but i’m guessing the teachers who were being accused of these things were caught talking to little kids about gender identity and sexuality and stuff? in that case, i’m sorry but i don’t really blame the parents for being upset. teachers should just teach the regular school curriculum and maybe basic morality and leave gender conversations to the parents. if a kid asks, the teacher can let the parent know first and let the parent decide what they wanna do/what they wanna tell their kids. then all of this might’ve been avoided? :/
like, when i see news like this, “parents livid over california school’s mandatory drag show” and many other news like this, i can sorta sympathize with the parents : https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/california-school-drag-show-causes-outrage-17832300.php

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Exactly. It really is quite messed up. You just have to realize these people who think they are woke are living in an isolated bubble in a sea of people who are actually awake. I truly feel bad for the woke mind. They can only things with a one sided mind, and refuse to see how it effects everyone as a whole.

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exactly. extremists on both sides are ruining it for everyone.

no sane, rational gay/bi/lesbian/trans/straight person wants to be associated with whatever tf this buffoonery/mental illness is 😅:





i mean, is this what an “all inclusive, loving society” looks like ? 😅

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i raised this exact issue here a year ago and a few liberals came for my neck 😅
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/something-unsettling-about-pushing-lgbtq-on-kids--15592223/
at this point, i don’t even openly talk about the trans issue. i don’t wanna get bitched at by wokies 😅
i’m just quietly hoping more and more people wake up and see how ridiculous and harmful things have gotten. if enough people become suspicious and say no, this madness will cease to continue.
things such as….
doctors/elites/big pharma trying to get rich off of gender affirming care/procedures on minors, dudes dressed up as women throwing tantrums at restaurants for being called “sir”, mediocre dudes in sports who used to rank 462nd in men’s division now ranking 1st in women’s division, woke teachers irresponsibly telling kids they can be whatever gender they wanna be, people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions, the whole they/them nonsense, people identifying as pretty much anything under the sun including animals/objects and trying to drag mentally stable people into it by throwing tantrums when people refuse to participate in their delusions etc
level headed folks of the LGBT community don’t wanna be associated with or lumped together with the above nonsense. 😅 and if we dare to even say anything about it, these wokies will immediately go into victim mode.😅
they make even regular gay dudes like me look like homophobic straight men from the deep south or something 😂

people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions ----- this is the kinda fear mongering they do over GAY PEOPLE LIKE YOU lol. They think YOURE a groomer.
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whoever “they” are, i haven’t met them. *shrug* intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t. for example, conservatives love level headed trans people like blaire white because she stands for common sense. people are only afraid of (or more like disturbed) by the irrational gay/trans/non binary people who are like loose cannons or who act in questionable ways.
click to expand

From 2022
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/11/1096623939/accusations-grooming-political-attack-homophobic-origins
"intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t" ----- even if we don't widen that statement and keep it to strictly knowing who would hurt a child, it's false.
https://www.d2l.org/education/5-steps/step-1/
30% of children are abused by family members.
As many as 60% are abused by people the family trusts.
We do not know every person that will hurt someone. "I never would have thought they'd be this type of person" is a common sentiment.
click to expand

from the article you posted:
*********On his Fox News program, Tucker Carlson claimed that California teachers are trying to "indoctrinate schoolchildren" about sexual and gender identity. "They're grooming 7-year-olds and talking to 7-year-olds about their sex lives," he said.
On her Fox News show, Laura Ingraham accused the Walt Disney Co. of "pushing a sexual agenda" on children. "This isn't programming. This is propaganda for grooming," she said.
And U.S. Senate candidate J.D. Vance of Ohio defended the term on Fox News, saying, "If you don't want to be called a groomer, don't try to sexualize 6-, 7-year-old children."*********

well, i’m not entirely sure but i’m guessing the teachers who were being accused of these things were caught talking to little kids about gender identity and sexuality and stuff? in that case, i’m sorry but i don’t really blame the parents for being upset. teachers should just teach the regular school curriculum and maybe basic morality and leave gender conversations to the parents. if a kid asks, the teacher can let the parent know first and let the parent decide what they wanna do/what they wanna tell their kids. then all of this might’ve been avoided? :/
like, when i see news like this, “parents livid over california school’s mandatory drag show” and many other news like this, i can sorta sympathize with the parents : https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/california-school-drag-show-causes-outrage-17832300.php
click to expand

Exactly. It really is quite messed up. You just have to realize these people who think they are woke are living in an isolated bubble in a sea of people who are actually awake. I truly feel bad for the woke mind. They can only things with a one sided mind, and refuse to see how it effects everyone as a whole.
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exactly. extremists on both sides are ruining it for everyone.

no sane, rational gay/bi/lesbian/trans/straight person wants to be associated with whatever tf this buffoonery/mental illness is 😅:

It's literally people being unhinged for no reason. The person screaming is crazy, and the person recording isn't much better. The person recording is like "Oh wow a dumpster fire. Wonder what would happen if I threw more gasoline on it?"

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i raised this exact issue here a year ago and a few liberals came for my neck 😅
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/something-unsettling-about-pushing-lgbtq-on-kids--15592223/
at this point, i don’t even openly talk about the trans issue. i don’t wanna get bitched at by wokies 😅
i’m just quietly hoping more and more people wake up and see how ridiculous and harmful things have gotten. if enough people become suspicious and say no, this madness will cease to continue.
things such as….
doctors/elites/big pharma trying to get rich off of gender affirming care/procedures on minors, dudes dressed up as women throwing tantrums at restaurants for being called “sir”, mediocre dudes in sports who used to rank 462nd in men’s division now ranking 1st in women’s division, woke teachers irresponsibly telling kids they can be whatever gender they wanna be, people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions, the whole they/them nonsense, people identifying as pretty much anything under the sun including animals/objects and trying to drag mentally stable people into it by throwing tantrums when people refuse to participate in their delusions etc
level headed folks of the LGBT community don’t wanna be associated with or lumped together with the above nonsense. 😅 and if we dare to even say anything about it, these wokies will immediately go into victim mode.😅
they make even regular gay dudes like me look like homophobic straight men from the deep south or something 😂

people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions ----- this is the kinda fear mongering they do over GAY PEOPLE LIKE YOU lol. They think YOURE a groomer.
click to expand

whoever “they” are, i haven’t met them. *shrug* intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t. for example, conservatives love level headed trans people like blaire white because she stands for common sense. people are only afraid of (or more like disturbed) by the irrational gay/trans/non binary people who are like loose cannons or who act in questionable ways.
click to expand

From 2022
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/11/1096623939/accusations-grooming-political-attack-homophobic-origins
"intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t" ----- even if we don't widen that statement and keep it to strictly knowing who would hurt a child, it's false.
https://www.d2l.org/education/5-steps/step-1/
30% of children are abused by family members.
As many as 60% are abused by people the family trusts.
We do not know every person that will hurt someone. "I never would have thought they'd be this type of person" is a common sentiment.
click to expand

from the article you posted:
*********On his Fox News program, Tucker Carlson claimed that California teachers are trying to "indoctrinate schoolchildren" about sexual and gender identity. "They're grooming 7-year-olds and talking to 7-year-olds about their sex lives," he said.
On her Fox News show, Laura Ingraham accused the Walt Disney Co. of "pushing a sexual agenda" on children. "This isn't programming. This is propaganda for grooming," she said.
And U.S. Senate candidate J.D. Vance of Ohio defended the term on Fox News, saying, "If you don't want to be called a groomer, don't try to sexualize 6-, 7-year-old children."*********

well, i’m not entirely sure but i’m guessing the teachers who were being accused of these things were caught talking to little kids about gender identity and sexuality and stuff? in that case, i’m sorry but i don’t really blame the parents for being upset. teachers should just teach the regular school curriculum and maybe basic morality and leave gender conversations to the parents. if a kid asks, the teacher can let the parent know first and let the parent decide what they wanna do/what they wanna tell their kids. then all of this might’ve been avoided? :/
like, when i see news like this, “parents livid over california school’s mandatory drag show” and many other news like this, i can sorta sympathize with the parents : https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/california-school-drag-show-causes-outrage-17832300.php
click to expand

Exactly. It really is quite messed up. You just have to realize these people who think they are woke are living in an isolated bubble in a sea of people who are actually awake. I truly feel bad for the woke mind. They can only things with a one sided mind, and refuse to see how it effects everyone as a whole.
click to expand

exactly. extremists on both sides are ruining it for everyone.
no sane, rational gay/bi/lesbian/trans/straight person wants to be associated with whatever tf this buffoonery/mental illness is 😅:


i mean, is this what an “all inclusive, loving society” looks like ? 😅

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It's literally people being unhinged for no reason. The person screaming is crazy, and the person recording isn't much better. The person recording is like "Oh wow a dumpster fire. Wonder what would happen if I threw more gasoline on it?"

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the guy probably recorded it so he can use the footage as evidence if he gets attacked or something 😂

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I’m really struggling with the how our society combines Transgender issues and polices with Gay issues and polices. So, I would like to talk my thoughts out with anyone willing to discuss this with me respectfully.
I could never really validate the transgender issue, because gender has little value to me. I see gender as a mechanism in the systems of life to keep it advancing.
What we consider male vs female in humanity, mostly has to do with cultural constructs. I will agree most of the time it is just an exaggeration of biology. Women are built with bigger hips, so we walk with a sway naturally, our faces flush during arousal so we put makeup on to mimic those experiences. Which I think really comes down to a matting competition in some ways.
I do believe that masculine and femineity is a spectrum. Some of it is natural based on or biology and some of it is our experience and conditioning. But different cultures have valued different feminine and masculine traits, which become the cultural norm for them.
But for someone to say, I feel like the opposite gender makes no sense to me. I do not “feel” like a woman, I have the body of a woman, I have the cultural experience and conditioning of a woman. But that is all superficial and has little do with how I feel as a human being.
But that’s all gender is to me, the body (genitalia/hormones) and experience/conditioning. So, if a person does not have the body or conditioning of gender, how do they feel that they are that gender?
I agree that we all take on an identity, we create and nurture an ego which is vital to participate in the shared experience in this world. And fuck it if I care what identity you want to take on, and what experiences you want to have while you are on this earth. But I don’t like how some parts of our culture are promoting or encouraging this, because I think this is affecting some of the most vulnerable people.
I do not mean this as an insult, but when I look at the individual Trans experience, it seems to always be a response to trauma, or fetishization.
I see men and women who don’t always fit, the gender roles of the culture, have a lot of negative experiences, and that trauma can result in the rejection of what people see as their deficiency in that gender defined by the culture.
And honestly when I see Transgender women oversexualizing themselves 24/7, I do see it as a fetishization of women, and find it insulting. But I see this more as sexuality vs identity. If that makes sense?
Anyways these are my thoughts when it comes to gender and western culture, I would love a discussion to understand different POV further.

Reading the first page of this thread was gross.

Throught history there have been gay and lesbian people. As well as those who find both attatrctive sexually. It's natural.

I believe this scares some people because weaker people question that possibilty for themselves.

Transgender is even rarer and new. Use to just be cross dressing and the like. Now those who feel strongly enough can transform the external.

The over politicalsization and publicity is blowing this all out of perportion. I personally have met 2 who you wouldn't know unless someone told you. They fit as a woman mind body and soul. Thats a percent of a percent population wise. So why are people losingbthier fucking minds over this. If that rarity is so much a issue go play the lottery every weak. Sometimes it is just mental health, not hurting yourself or others leave them alone.

Kids naturally expertment and explore different things growing up. They are finding themselves. They play pretend as naturally as we breath. What comes natural/fits the indivisual they will keep and will change as they better understand the world and themeelves.



The over dramatization of the topic has opened the door for the young to explore it in unhealthy ways which matches the tone of the discussion.

Really fucking unhealthy, ignorant and toxic.

None of the LGBTQ issues are complex or even complicated. It's a discription of gender and sexuality.

Humans are strange wonderfully complex creatures but.... people are stupid.

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This is the most sane and rational post in the entire thread so far. Good job, sir.

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i raised this exact issue here a year ago and a few liberals came for my neck 😅
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/something-unsettling-about-pushing-lgbtq-on-kids--15592223/
at this point, i don’t even openly talk about the trans issue. i don’t wanna get bitched at by wokies 😅
i’m just quietly hoping more and more people wake up and see how ridiculous and harmful things have gotten. if enough people become suspicious and say no, this madness will cease to continue.
things such as….
doctors/elites/big pharma trying to get rich off of gender affirming care/procedures on minors, dudes dressed up as women throwing tantrums at restaurants for being called “sir”, mediocre dudes in sports who used to rank 462nd in men’s division now ranking 1st in women’s division, woke teachers irresponsibly telling kids they can be whatever gender they wanna be, people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions, the whole they/them nonsense, people identifying as pretty much anything under the sun including animals/objects and trying to drag mentally stable people into it by throwing tantrums when people refuse to participate in their delusions etc
level headed folks of the LGBT community don’t wanna be associated with or lumped together with the above nonsense. 😅 and if we dare to even say anything about it, these wokies will immediately go into victim mode.😅
they make even regular gay dudes like me look like homophobic straight men from the deep south or something 😂

people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions ----- this is the kinda fear mongering they do over GAY PEOPLE LIKE YOU lol. They think YOURE a groomer.
click to expand

whoever “they” are, i haven’t met them. *shrug* intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t. for example, conservatives love level headed trans people like blaire white because she stands for common sense. people are only afraid of (or more like disturbed) by the irrational gay/trans/non binary people who are like loose cannons or who act in questionable ways.
click to expand

From 2022
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/11/1096623939/accusations-grooming-political-attack-homophobic-origins
"intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t" ----- even if we don't widen that statement and keep it to strictly knowing who would hurt a child, it's false.
https://www.d2l.org/education/5-steps/step-1/
30% of children are abused by family members.
As many as 60% are abused by people the family trusts.
We do not know every person that will hurt someone. "I never would have thought they'd be this type of person" is a common sentiment.
click to expand

from the article you posted:
*********On his Fox News program, Tucker Carlson claimed that California teachers are trying to "indoctrinate schoolchildren" about sexual and gender identity. "They're grooming 7-year-olds and talking to 7-year-olds about their sex lives," he said.
On her Fox News show, Laura Ingraham accused the Walt Disney Co. of "pushing a sexual agenda" on children. "This isn't programming. This is propaganda for grooming," she said.
And U.S. Senate candidate J.D. Vance of Ohio defended the term on Fox News, saying, "If you don't want to be called a groomer, don't try to sexualize 6-, 7-year-old children."*********

well, i’m not entirely sure but i’m guessing the teachers who were being accused of these things were caught talking to little kids about gender identity and sexuality and stuff? in that case, i’m sorry but i don’t really blame the parents for being upset. teachers should just teach the regular school curriculum and maybe basic morality and leave gender conversations to the parents. if a kid asks, the teacher can let the parent know first and let the parent decide what they wanna do/what they wanna tell their kids. then all of this might’ve been avoided? :/
like, when i see news like this, “parents livid over california school’s mandatory drag show” and many other news like this, i can sorta sympathize with the parents : https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/california-school-drag-show-causes-outrage-17832300.php
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Exactly. It really is quite messed up. You just have to realize these people who think they are woke are living in an isolated bubble in a sea of people who are actually awake. I truly feel bad for the woke mind. They can only things with a one sided mind, and refuse to see how it effects everyone as a whole.
click to expand

exactly. extremists on both sides are ruining it for everyone.
no sane, rational gay/bi/lesbian/trans/straight person wants to be associated with whatever tf this buffoonery/mental illness is 😅:


i mean, is this what an “all inclusive, loving society” looks like ? 😅

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Bro you coulda posted the whole damn video.

i saw the longer version too. the dude filming was apparently some religious dude who was preaching about god. but what i’m saying is, if these liberals want freedom of speech and an all inclusive society, why are they allowed to talk/say whatever they wanna and he’s not? (he = the religious dude). he’s not hurting anyone by simply preaching on a street corner. i mean i don’t even believe in god but this religious dude has a right to express his opinions too if these wokies have a right to express theirs. :/

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i raised this exact issue here a year ago and a few liberals came for my neck 😅
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/something-unsettling-about-pushing-lgbtq-on-kids--15592223/
at this point, i don’t even openly talk about the trans issue. i don’t wanna get bitched at by wokies 😅
i’m just quietly hoping more and more people wake up and see how ridiculous and harmful things have gotten. if enough people become suspicious and say no, this madness will cease to continue.
things such as….
doctors/elites/big pharma trying to get rich off of gender affirming care/procedures on minors, dudes dressed up as women throwing tantrums at restaurants for being called “sir”, mediocre dudes in sports who used to rank 462nd in men’s division now ranking 1st in women’s division, woke teachers irresponsibly telling kids they can be whatever gender they wanna be, people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions, the whole they/them nonsense, people identifying as pretty much anything under the sun including animals/objects and trying to drag mentally stable people into it by throwing tantrums when people refuse to participate in their delusions etc
level headed folks of the LGBT community don’t wanna be associated with or lumped together with the above nonsense. 😅 and if we dare to even say anything about it, these wokies will immediately go into victim mode.😅
they make even regular gay dudes like me look like homophobic straight men from the deep south or something 😂

people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions ----- this is the kinda fear mongering they do over GAY PEOPLE LIKE YOU lol. They think YOURE a groomer.
click to expand

whoever “they” are, i haven’t met them. *shrug* intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t. for example, conservatives love level headed trans people like blaire white because she stands for common sense. people are only afraid of (or more like disturbed) by the irrational gay/trans/non binary people who are like loose cannons or who act in questionable ways.
click to expand

From 2022
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/11/1096623939/accusations-grooming-political-attack-homophobic-origins
"intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t" ----- even if we don't widen that statement and keep it to strictly knowing who would hurt a child, it's false.
https://www.d2l.org/education/5-steps/step-1/
30% of children are abused by family members.
As many as 60% are abused by people the family trusts.
We do not know every person that will hurt someone. "I never would have thought they'd be this type of person" is a common sentiment.
click to expand

from the article you posted:
*********On his Fox News program, Tucker Carlson claimed that California teachers are trying to "indoctrinate schoolchildren" about sexual and gender identity. "They're grooming 7-year-olds and talking to 7-year-olds about their sex lives," he said.
On her Fox News show, Laura Ingraham accused the Walt Disney Co. of "pushing a sexual agenda" on children. "This isn't programming. This is propaganda for grooming," she said.
And U.S. Senate candidate J.D. Vance of Ohio defended the term on Fox News, saying, "If you don't want to be called a groomer, don't try to sexualize 6-, 7-year-old children."*********

well, i’m not entirely sure but i’m guessing the teachers who were being accused of these things were caught talking to little kids about gender identity and sexuality and stuff? in that case, i’m sorry but i don’t really blame the parents for being upset. teachers should just teach the regular school curriculum and maybe basic morality and leave gender conversations to the parents. if a kid asks, the teacher can let the parent know first and let the parent decide what they wanna do/what they wanna tell their kids. then all of this might’ve been avoided? :/
like, when i see news like this, “parents livid over california school’s mandatory drag show” and many other news like this, i can sorta sympathize with the parents : https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/california-school-drag-show-causes-outrage-17832300.php
click to expand

Exactly. It really is quite messed up. You just have to realize these people who think they are woke are living in an isolated bubble in a sea of people who are actually awake. I truly feel bad for the woke mind. They can only things with a one sided mind, and refuse to see how it effects everyone as a whole.
click to expand

exactly. extremists on both sides are ruining it for everyone.
no sane, rational gay/bi/lesbian/trans/straight person wants to be associated with whatever tf this buffoonery/mental illness is 😅:


i mean, is this what an “all inclusive, loving society” looks like ? 😅
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Bro you coulda posted the whole damn video.

I'm not saying her reaction is the best but another person says that everyone is sick of it and if I heard right, that they've called the cops before on him and are doing it/will do it again. It doesn't sound like it's completely unprovoked, though I'm pretty sure a person has a right to do that where they want? Even if it's annoying as fuck.
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i saw the longer version too. the dude filming was apparently some religious dude who was preaching about god. but what i’m saying is, if these liberals want freedom of speech and an all inclusive society, why are they allowed to talk/say whatever they wanna and he’s not? (he = the religious dude). he’s not hurting anyone by simply preaching on a street corner. i mean i don’t even believe in god but this religious dude has a right to express his opinions too if these wokies have a right to express theirs. :/
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Do you admit that you were wrong on other things you claimed?

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which part? i don’t believe i said anything crazy. :/

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i raised this exact issue here a year ago and a few liberals came for my neck 😅
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/something-unsettling-about-pushing-lgbtq-on-kids--15592223/
at this point, i don’t even openly talk about the trans issue. i don’t wanna get bitched at by wokies 😅
i’m just quietly hoping more and more people wake up and see how ridiculous and harmful things have gotten. if enough people become suspicious and say no, this madness will cease to continue.
things such as….
doctors/elites/big pharma trying to get rich off of gender affirming care/procedures on minors, dudes dressed up as women throwing tantrums at restaurants for being called “sir”, mediocre dudes in sports who used to rank 462nd in men’s division now ranking 1st in women’s division, woke teachers irresponsibly telling kids they can be whatever gender they wanna be, people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions, the whole they/them nonsense, people identifying as pretty much anything under the sun including animals/objects and trying to drag mentally stable people into it by throwing tantrums when people refuse to participate in their delusions etc
level headed folks of the LGBT community don’t wanna be associated with or lumped together with the above nonsense. 😅 and if we dare to even say anything about it, these wokies will immediately go into victim mode.😅
they make even regular gay dudes like me look like homophobic straight men from the deep south or something 😂

people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions ----- this is the kinda fear mongering they do over GAY PEOPLE LIKE YOU lol. They think YOURE a groomer.
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whoever “they” are, i haven’t met them. *shrug* intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t. for example, conservatives love level headed trans people like blaire white because she stands for common sense. people are only afraid of (or more like disturbed) by the irrational gay/trans/non binary people who are like loose cannons or who act in questionable ways.
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From 2022
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/11/1096623939/accusations-grooming-political-attack-homophobic-origins
"intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t" ----- even if we don't widen that statement and keep it to strictly knowing who would hurt a child, it's false.
https://www.d2l.org/education/5-steps/step-1/
30% of children are abused by family members.
As many as 60% are abused by people the family trusts.
We do not know every person that will hurt someone. "I never would have thought they'd be this type of person" is a common sentiment.
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from the article you posted:
*********On his Fox News program, Tucker Carlson claimed that California teachers are trying to "indoctrinate schoolchildren" about sexual and gender identity. "They're grooming 7-year-olds and talking to 7-year-olds about their sex lives," he said.
On her Fox News show, Laura Ingraham accused the Walt Disney Co. of "pushing a sexual agenda" on children. "This isn't programming. This is propaganda for grooming," she said.
And U.S. Senate candidate J.D. Vance of Ohio defended the term on Fox News, saying, "If you don't want to be called a groomer, don't try to sexualize 6-, 7-year-old children."*********

well, i’m not entirely sure but i’m guessing the teachers who were being accused of these things were caught talking to little kids about gender identity and sexuality and stuff? in that case, i’m sorry but i don’t really blame the parents for being upset. teachers should just teach the regular school curriculum and maybe basic morality and leave gender conversations to the parents. if a kid asks, the teacher can let the parent know first and let the parent decide what they wanna do/what they wanna tell their kids. then all of this might’ve been avoided? :/
like, when i see news like this, “parents livid over california school’s mandatory drag show” and many other news like this, i can sorta sympathize with the parents : https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/california-school-drag-show-causes-outrage-17832300.php

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Okay so like you took the quotes from the article that I posted

"well, i’m not entirely sure but i’m guessing the teachers who were being accused of these things were caught talking to little kids about gender identity and sexuality and stuff?"

This is part of what you posted in response. I linked curriculum, which is subject to local idea of how to do it but the overall is not "sexualizing 7 year olds." It's talking about people in history and their families and stuff. So, there may have been localized issues out there but there is no "sexualizing 7 year olds" in the grand scheme of the curriculum.

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oh you’re talking about this article right here?

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-05-11/california-takes-opposite-path-of-florida-texas-on-inclusive-education

well, i don’t really think showing 3rd graders (7-8 yr olds?) gay pride videos is appropriate but that’s just my opinion.

i can also see how some concerned parents might interpret the teacher’s action as “bringing the topic of sexuality into a 3rd grade classroom”.

even if that wasn’t the teacher’s intention. and whether she followed local/state guidelines or not isn’t the issue for these parents.

:/

also, if you search “detransitioning” on YouTube, you’ll come across many videos/interviews of trans people who regret transitioning as kids and are now warning against minors transitioning. always two sides to a coin.

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i raised this exact issue here a year ago and a few liberals came for my neck 😅
https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/something-unsettling-about-pushing-lgbtq-on-kids--15592223/
at this point, i don’t even openly talk about the trans issue. i don’t wanna get bitched at by wokies 😅
i’m just quietly hoping more and more people wake up and see how ridiculous and harmful things have gotten. if enough people become suspicious and say no, this madness will cease to continue.
things such as….
doctors/elites/big pharma trying to get rich off of gender affirming care/procedures on minors, dudes dressed up as women throwing tantrums at restaurants for being called “sir”, mediocre dudes in sports who used to rank 462nd in men’s division now ranking 1st in women’s division, woke teachers irresponsibly telling kids they can be whatever gender they wanna be, people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions, the whole they/them nonsense, people identifying as pretty much anything under the sun including animals/objects and trying to drag mentally stable people into it by throwing tantrums when people refuse to participate in their delusions etc
level headed folks of the LGBT community don’t wanna be associated with or lumped together with the above nonsense. 😅 and if we dare to even say anything about it, these wokies will immediately go into victim mode.😅
they make even regular gay dudes like me look like homophobic straight men from the deep south or something 😂

people who already had pedophile tendencies now having an excuse to openly assault without much repercussions ----- this is the kinda fear mongering they do over GAY PEOPLE LIKE YOU lol. They think YOURE a groomer.
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whoever “they” are, i haven’t met them. *shrug* intelligent people can easily tell the difference between who is really a danger to society and who isn’t. for example, conservatives love level headed trans people like blaire white because she stands for common sense. people are only afraid of (or more like disturbed) by the irrational gay/trans/non binary people who are like loose cannons or who act in questionable ways.
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I have a good friend who is a gay conservative. It seems like a lot of gay folks are conservative these days. He's been ran off every Social Media platform. He has had his business almost destroyed. The whole time it's wyts who are telling him how oppressed and hated he is by his tribe, while they attempt to destroy his entire life because of his ttibe. He says being a gay conservative these days must be similar to being a Jew in Hitlers Germany. He's been doxxed, he's had it rough.

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so sorry about your friend having to endure all that abuse/BS 😢

i said something similar in my previous post but i just find it IRONIC how all these liberals who are supposed to be fighting for and encouraging an all inclusive, loving society where freedom of speech is respected YET they are the ones trying to shut people up who don’t agree with them 😅 lol

hopefully the tide will turn soon and your friend will feel safe again. 🙏

@Solo

the article you showed me says “gay pride video” at least three times near the top 😅

“…a third-grade teacher was removed from her teaching position after facing threats for showing a gay pride video. “



“Gay pride videos shown in a Glendale third-grade classroom have added an intense local chapter to a national debate over how and when lessons on gender identity and sexual orientation should be broached in public schools.”

“The episode unfolded with the disclosure that a teacher at Jefferson Elementary had shown her students gay pride videos…”



https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-05-11/california-takes-opposite-path-of-florida-texas-on-inclusive-education

neither of us know what the actual “approved” curriculum looked like 😅

anyway 😅

we’re kinda focusing on kids and transitioning right now but i’m sure you know this issue goes way beyond that.

the other issue i have with this movement is :

the blatant lack of concern towards women’s safety.

the blatant lack of respect towards how a lot of women feel. i have many female friends who are not at all happy with what is happening right now.

this movement is conveniently ignoring a huge population of women who are saying they are indeed uncomfortable with sharing a bathroom with men, competing in sports with men who have gone through puberty who are twice their size and have an obvious unfair advantage over them yet the wokies are basically saying to them, “so? too bad.”

they’re basically like, “we don’t care if you feel uncomfortable as long as WE feel comfortable.”

um…i’m sorry but how is that okay?😅

berlin (world aquatics) made a category for transgender athletes in the 2023 swimming competition....they had to cancel it cuz no one signed up lol 😅

https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2023/oct/03/swimming-world-cup-category-for-transgender-athletes-cancelled-after-no-entries-received

I would honestly like to see some limits any kind of medical intervention (hormones & Surgeries) till after the age of 25, when the human body and brain are fully developed. But I will admit that does limit the individual freedoms of anyone considered adult in this country over the age of 18. (so that's a personal conflict)



Outside of that, its non of my business, IDGAF what you put on your body or do to your body.

But you do evolve everyone else's opinion once you want to start using public funds and resources.

- You want to make new laws.

- Use any government health insurance to pay for medical treatments,

- You want to spend money and resources educating children in public schools

These are personal issues, that I don't' think the government should be involved in.

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yeah same shit happens to fat kids or kids with disabilities, or any other perceived differences that kids might have.

But I'm not ok, with someone teaching my child that some people are born in the wrong body. Because that is not a fact, and its stupid, and we shouldn't teach children stupid opinions.

You want to say men can have more feminine traits and women can have more masculine traits. I'm cool with that, but it should end there.

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yeah same shit happens to fat kids or kids with disabilities, or any other perceived differences that kids might have.
But I'm not ok, with someone teaching my child that some people are born in the wrong body. Because that is not a fact, and its stupid, and we shouldn't teach children stupid opinions.
You want to say men can have more feminine traits and women can have more masculine traits. I'm cool with that, but it should end there.

have u read anything that has been linked or anything?

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yeah same shit happens to fat kids or kids with disabilities, or any other perceived differences that kids might have.
But I'm not ok, with someone teaching my child that some people are born in the wrong body. Because that is not a fact, and its stupid, and we shouldn't teach children stupid opinions.
You want to say men can have more feminine traits and women can have more masculine traits. I'm cool with that, but it should end there.

have u read anything that has been linked or anything?
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That last link sent me to an ADHD test Link, fuck you I just have a gem moon.

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@Solo
the article you showed me says “gay pride video” at least three times near the top 😅
“…a third-grade teacher was removed from her teaching position after facing threats for showing a gay pride video. “

“Gay pride videos shown in a Glendale third-grade classroom have added an intense local chapter to a national debate over how and when lessons on gender identity and sexual orientation should be broached in public schools.”
“The episode unfolded with the disclosure that a teacher at Jefferson Elementary had shown her students gay pride videos…”

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-05-11/california-takes-opposite-path-of-florida-texas-on-inclusive-education
neither of us know what the actual “approved” curriculum looked like 😅
anyway 😅
we’re kinda focusing on kids and transitioning right now but i’m sure you know this issue goes way beyond that.
the other issue i have with this movement is :
the blatant lack of concern towards women’s safety.
the blatant lack of respect towards how a lot of women feel. i have many female friends who are not at all happy with what is happening right now.
this movement is conveniently ignoring a huge population of women who are saying they are indeed uncomfortable with sharing a bathroom with men, competing in sports with men who have gone through puberty who are twice their size and have an obvious unfair advantage over them yet the wokies are basically saying to them, “so? too bad.”
they’re basically like, “we don’t care if you feel uncomfortable as long as WE feel comfortable.”
um…i’m sorry but how is that okay?😅

Oh shit missed that, thanks. Okay but that goes to show that they faced proper push back on that and it being age inappropriate. Brother I can go look at what the outline of the curriculum is. No, it's not the same as being in class, but you can read what it's generally supposed to be.

All that other shit you said is basically niche issues which I talked about before.

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lol oh sorry i didn’t get the notification for this until now for some reason. well it might be a “niche” issue for us men, but to women it’s not. people might say things like, “well what’s wrong with letting men compete in women’s sports? what’s the big deal?” but they don’t realize that it’s scholarships, educational opportunities, job opportunities, careers, money that you are taking away from biological women who deserve them and who have trained all their lives to get where they’re at. :/

to us dudes, it may just be a “niche” issue but to the women in sports and the families who are rooting for them, it’s not really a “niche” issue. it’s their entire lives probably. so i just hope they take that into consideration when making rules for sports. you know? 🤷‍♂️

genders were separated in sports because of real differences between man and woman, not the social construct of gender.

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@Solo
the article you showed me says “gay pride video” at least three times near the top 😅
“…a third-grade teacher was removed from her teaching position after facing threats for showing a gay pride video. “

“Gay pride videos shown in a Glendale third-grade classroom have added an intense local chapter to a national debate over how and when lessons on gender identity and sexual orientation should be broached in public schools.”
“The episode unfolded with the disclosure that a teacher at Jefferson Elementary had shown her students gay pride videos…”

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-05-11/california-takes-opposite-path-of-florida-texas-on-inclusive-education
neither of us know what the actual “approved” curriculum looked like 😅
anyway 😅
we’re kinda focusing on kids and transitioning right now but i’m sure you know this issue goes way beyond that.
the other issue i have with this movement is :
the blatant lack of concern towards women’s safety.
the blatant lack of respect towards how a lot of women feel. i have many female friends who are not at all happy with what is happening right now.
this movement is conveniently ignoring a huge population of women who are saying they are indeed uncomfortable with sharing a bathroom with men, competing in sports with men who have gone through puberty who are twice their size and have an obvious unfair advantage over them yet the wokies are basically saying to them, “so? too bad.”
they’re basically like, “we don’t care if you feel uncomfortable as long as WE feel comfortable.”
um…i’m sorry but how is that okay?😅

Oh shit missed that, thanks. Okay but that goes to show that they faced proper push back on that and it being age inappropriate. Brother I can go look at what the outline of the curriculum is. No, it's not the same as being in class, but you can read what it's generally supposed to be.
All that other shit you said is basically niche issues which I talked about before.
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lol oh sorry i didn’t get the notification for this until now for some reason. well it might be a “niche” issue for us men, but to women it’s not. people might say things like, “well what’s wrong with letting men compete in women’s sports? what’s the big deal?” but they don’t realize that it’s scholarships, educational opportunities, job opportunities, careers, money that you are taking away from biological women who deserve them and who have trained all their lives to get where they’re at. :/
to us dudes, it may just be a “niche” issue but to the women in sports and the families who are rooting for them, it’s not really a “niche” issue. it’s their entire lives probably. so i just hope they take that into consideration when making rules for sports. you know? 🤷‍♂️
genders were separated in sports because of real differences between man and woman, not the social construct of gender.
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Hold on. "well what’s wrong with letting men compete in women’s sports? what’s the big deal?” ----- this is not the thought by like literally anyone with half a brain. Which is part of the reason it's a niche issue, there's such a small amount and people generally do not think trans people should be in their identified-sport.

" but they don’t realize that it’s scholarships, educational opportunities, job opportunities, careers, money that you are taking away from biological women who deserve them and who have trained all their lives to get where they’re at. :/" ----- This might be a point. However and I know it's different because we're men, do you ever think about transmen taking opportunity from you? Being in your bathroom, etc? I know that I don't. Maybe it doesn't apply, idk.

"genders were separated in sports because of real differences between man and woman, not the social construct of gender." ----- that's cool and I think most people agree.

Again you're getting more wrapped up in those kinda things when that's not what my issue has ever been.

It's been with people saying they're making the kids gay and trans by teaching them about other people existing.

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oh ok good to know you’re at least against men competing in women’s sports. i’ve come across so many leftists who support it. justifying anything in the name of “inclusiveness” no matter how ridiculous it is lol 😅

as far as the other way around, trans men (biological women) entering in men’s spaces, men’s sports….i think that should be evaluated carefully too in order to protect the trans men’s safety (i’m not discrediting the trans man’s capabilities or anything) but a part of me can’t imagine what might possibly go down in martial arts/combat sports for example.

seeing as we’ve already seen a few cases of women getting beat up pretty badly in MMA by trans women (biological men). i’m sure that doesn’t come as a surprise to anyone but still i worry for the women going into men’s spaces and sports.

some women athletes (martial arts) are apparently even dropping out of competitions after finding out they will be going up against a man.

and i guess i understand cuz throwing a woman into a ring to fend for herself against a full blown man (who lived as a man for over 30 years) just doesn’t seem right.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/mma/article-12688629/amp/Transgender-marital-arts-competitions-fair-safe-medals-jiu-jitsu.html

https://gript.ie/backlash-on-social-media-as-trans-fighter-beats-woman-to-submission-in-mma-fight/