Missing People

Do you ever wonder about those people who have made a deep impact on you for a short period of time, never to be heard from again? Life sepperated you and you slowly drifted apart. . . It seems to me that every person that touched me deeply and then left leaves a small hole inside me. I wonder exactly why it is we were fated to meet for that time and then just drift apart. It's really sad when you need a good friend and find that they've all gone, and you have nobody to reach out to.

Do we all stop and reflect? Do we ever think about all those people we have influenced by our short encounters? I wonder if we ever realize the importance of our connections to other people, or the strength of them. It seems to me people don't value ties very much.

Oh "Due~Machine"....I do think that people come in all sizes, shapes, colors, defferences of thoughts and actions...no one really thinks like ourself and when we begin to realize this and accept the differences then we will have great opportunities for successful relationships.

It does not matter (to me) how long a relationship last (it is out of our control anyway) but the "quality" of that relationship and what I have learned for my growth from it. Moments...life is about moments..make each one worth your time and you will never have any regrets. Regrets come to those who wish they would have said this or that or did this or that...they were not in the moment with that person... Give each relationship your best and know that you have done so....I feel that it is important to have many relationships, this is a gift to us....the more the merrier...

Back to.....Life is how we each perceive for it to be for each one of us....Enjoy YOUR ride my friend!

Freebird....

Oh yeah....you bet I reflect...I wonder....I hope...I imagine....all of those things and more...Life is great isn't it?

"It seems to me that every person that touched me deeply and then left leaves a small hole inside me." SexMachine...maybe you could possibly change your thought about that and see each wonderful person as leaving a "kiss" mark on your heart and be grateful for them sharing life with you....just a thought.

Hello Machine of the Gods ! Again ! I think we all come to a point in life, where we remember a certain person, or moment with a person or two who have made an impact on our lives, some good ones that we feel good about, and would like again, and some bad, which we (years and years later)wish had never happened, but, if you are looking at it as a fate thing, you can see where you gained something positive out of it, and if you believe it is the Devine hand of God, then you can probably see where you have been led, one way or another. While in the military for about 9 years, I met some people I sincerely wish I could be with again. Friends who I would have done anything for and vice a versa. Now, many moons later, guess what, . .? . . I have no idea what ever happened to them, yet they gave me some excellant memories that I sometimes truly enjoy telling someone about, . . know what I mean —?

Hey there Polaris....do you think we remember moments or days?

She (Machine of the Gods) has a pretty cool name....I am wondering ....what exactly does that mean?

PS>>>>>> I KNOW what you mean. 😉

Freebird I personally find it very easy to remember moments, compared to remembering days. I know I had many days with some excellant moments that I would love to have all over again, but, alas, that will never happen, I can only hope for new ones, which someday, I can look back and say how much I enjoyed etc. etc.
Machine of the Gods, is a cool name, I agree, and I confess, am curious (when aint I ?) as to what it means. . .naturally, it is easy to fantasize as to something exotic and wild, because of the Greek Gods, however, I am inclined to think it is something along the lines of " being utilized by the Greek Gods to cause a specific activity to happen, or to be of use in guiding something or someone " Maybe something to do with Greek Mythology. . . ? I guess we got to ask Jeeves on this one too !!!

LOL... Really I wish the name was as interesting as all that. It's actually a literary device used in Greek plays alot to "save the ending". Basically the main character will get themselves into one hell of a mess, and in order to get out of it they will appeal to the Gods. The Gods will send something down to save the main character and save the ending of the play. It's what happens when there's no way for the ending to be realistically resolved.

And definitely, I think moments are easier to recall than days. I can't even remember what happened a week ago on a certain day in any logical order. I remember moments sinse as far back as when I was still in preschool.

My pondering was just along the lines of how much do we actually value our personal relationships? It seems to me that most people in this day and age would care more for their own personal advancement and very willingly sacrifice their friends for it. Maybe it just depends on the person, but I see it all the time. They will have a very good friend, and suddenly they just don't fit in with the "agenda" and so they are left without another thought. People just don't value the relationships they have with other people anymore. It's hard to know that you can actually count on somebody when this always happens, don't you think?

So I suppose I pose a question to you, how far much would you sacrifice (in the way of personal relationships) to preserve your own success?

Freebird, R U ready for this — According to "ASK JEEVES" machine of the gods can mean, " a person introduced suddenly and unexpectedly providing a contrived solution to an apparantly insoluble difficulty." So, I am thinking, she has a great sense of humor, obviously intelligent and probably like us, likes a good mystery. . . What do you think— I know my feathered friend that you hate to answer questions, but, I could not resist, . . . know what I mean———?? Smile Freebird, things could be worse, . .Did ya see the full moon last night?? Can you hum the Star Spangled Banner ? Can you say, dont stop ? AND > > > I myself value ties with those who appreciate my friendship, genuinely care about my feelings as I do about theirs, and in short, treat me honestly as they want to be treated, in a way like myself, having integrity, knowing what true friendship is supposed to be like, . . .now, is this too deep, or did I just loose anyone who read this —

Machine Lady, you stinker you ! You pose some very interesting thoughts, and I for a change know that answer. . .Depending on the circumstances, I value a true friendship, more than success, because I have to sleep with myself. If I loose a friendship because they want the success that I have earned, then they were not a real friend to begin with, however, if my success was at the loss of a friend, who had earned the success as much or more than me, I would insure that the powers that be know the truth. (Is this understandable?) About 8 years ago, I had a friend who was offered a job promotion over me(I had been promised the job) and he was offered the job, cause the head cheese was his brother in law. . . .my friend came to me and told me, he was willing to turn the job down, cause I had earned it, and he valued the friendship more than the job. I told him I appreciated his honesty, integrity and desire to be a true friend. I then told him, he needed to take the job offer, only because I felt bad for him to be in that position, and have to choose what to do. I in turn, did some soul searching, I remembered how I had done some excellant work, saved the company serious bucks and someone else got credit for my work. So, I turned my resignation in about 3 or 4 weeks later, cause I landed a better job, working for someone I knew was honest and would give credit, where credit was due. So Machine lady, does that answer yer question —

You know Machine Lady, for a Leo, you sound like you honestly value friendships, then again, what the shot do I know —? Just wondering if I got the right idea. . . .

To ponder the value of anything . . . hmmmmm . . does anyone value anything the same as or as much as someone else very often, or is it rare? Your questioning the value of friendships is thought provoking, only because some of us probably had as in HAD a friend, who either hurt us, because we trusted them, or insulted us because of a choice or belief we had, either way, I think there are more who dont care about friendships as much as there is the few, who really do . . . .

LOL Polaris, are Leo's not supposed to value friendships?

I'm pondering a lot lately. . . There's a lot of changes going on in my life right now, and it seems that the only permanent thing I have to rely on are those few very good friendships which I honestly don't think I could get by with out. When things start to break down you really examine your values and what's really important to you in life. I'm honestly surprised why so many people would backstab or turn away from their friends, but then I guess that a lot of people are just honorless materialists (not that I'm not materialistic, but I know that I would not sacrifice certain things for wealth).

Dusema (trying to find a short nickname) (it aint working yet) ANYHOW, I think that anyone who would sacrifice anything for wealth, is someone who has no honor or concept of true friendship. Maybe they are just self-centered stinkers (trust me the real word was not stinkers !) who have grown up thinking selfish is an OK way of going through life. I believe what comes around, goes around. . meaning, however we treat people, chances are, we are going to get a taste of the same medicine. I also think a selfish person will die in a lonely state, because, any who knew them, also knew that person did not care about them. . . . then there is the poor unfortunate, who grew up penniless, scrounging for a meager existance, and the only way to live, was to pretend friendship, to somehow get ahead, and so they are formed from an early date, to get any and everything they can get their hands on, before someone else does. I myself have a couple siblings, who were raised as I was, yet, they never understood the value of honest caring and sharing. I am thinking, Greed is a byproduct of the honorless, who never had the broken heart of betrayal at a young age. I still feel good when I do someone a favor, they try to give something for that favor, and you tell them, someday, I will need a favor. . . . . .sorry, got carried away . . .and yes, I believe Leos should value friendships as much as the next person, it is just that, I only knew one Leo who was honorable to friendship, to a point, that I would have trusted her with my life, had the need arised. Her whole family was like that. It is sad, we all know more about stinkers than about the good people we have known. I think that this is a by product of the way we learn things every day, like the news on TV or Radio, . .why — Because it is human nature to be negative about others who did something wrong, we look forward to hearing what the bad dude did today. At work, people talk about how so and so got in trouble again, because he did this or did that. We love to tell people, hey, did you hear what happened to John Doe ? Why he did this and he said that, you know what I mean? groups of employees, who have never heard someone gossip about something good for a change, instead of something negative. Believe it or not, it is harder to get people to say good things about their co-workers, then it is to get them to say bad things !!! Anyway you nice person you, you are one of the best people we have never seen, and you need to know we appreciate you no matter who has taken advantage of you.
We can not help but examine our values when we have been stabbed in the heart. You should be glad you are affected in a bad way because of the recent things that made you reflect, or made you sad ! When I was quite young, my dad told me something I thought weird, and not true basically, but, later found out was true, . . . . he told me "an honest man will tell you he can count the number of true friends on one hand" . . . . now, I can say from experiences, I believe that more now, than I ever did, . . .I always had fair weather friends. . . . . You know, some of us have bigger caring hearts than others, . . . we have been gifted with true caring and sharing, so, . . . naturally, when someone betrays us, we hurt, and we hurt bad. . . If we become cold and uncaring like the stinkers in the world, who will be left to care about those who truly need to be cared about ? I am sad for you, but, I think you will bounce back and say some more funny things, soon. I hope so anyway.

One more question, would a real friend put you in a position that makes you question your values, when it comes to that which you may have earned, in a fair and legitimate manner —I am just shooting in the dark, . . again ! Maybe this is a chance to learn who your real friends are !!

Hey there Doo6maasheena, where in flying didst thou hide—

Wow, I really love this thread.

I completely agree with you DuesexMachina (very cool username, btw) that it seems like others don't place enough value on their connections. "It seems to me that every person that touched me deeply and then left leaves a small hole inside me. I wonder exactly why it is we were fated to meet for that time and then just drift apart." I feel so much the same exact way that I'm suprised it wasn't me who wrote that. Very true...and I didn't used to think I was one of those people who has trouble "letting go" of people, but as it turns out, I am definitely one of those people, even if I hide it sometimes. I think about my experiences with people for a long time after it's already happened, often even years later I will still think about them. I try not to dwell on negatives too much, but I definitely dwell on the positive people and experiences. And when they are gone, and the time I was "meant" to have with them is "over", it can kill sometimes. Just for example, I am already deeply missing someone who I used to be good friends with and dated, also, when I was a teenager, who came for a couple weeks to visit but because he has this whole other life (in another country, no less)...he had to go back. It's very hard. Especially because I know, in my soul, that our time together is not over. I can just feel that there's even more in store for us, friends or otherwise, in the future.

Very good thread!

Don?t want to spoil the mood, but those "holes" remind me of swiss cheese...
I think that in fact we are looking back at the already written pages in the book of our lives.
Think of life experiences like a memory book; at the beginning all the pages are blank but as time passes more and more pages get written. On every one of these pages are the memories we bring along in our lifebook and it?s entirely up to ourselves which ones we choose to recall later on - reminiscencing -
My analogy isn?t a new school of thought, you know the old phrase: this chapter is closed...

Everyone that ever made a deep impact in my life is gone too. It really sucks because I miss them a lot especially since there is hardley anyone out there like them and they were the only people I truly considered friends.