Nurture; Nature and Astrology

Nurture; Nature and Astrology


Going to keep this simple,

Nurture- our upbringing( values, morals, religion and so on, that our parents and other big influences like grandparents teach us.)

Nature- what we learn from the out side world through interaction with others, friends, school, teacher, relationships and so on.

Astrology-
the study of the movements and relative positions of celestial bodies interpreted as having an influence on human affairs and the natural world. Your astrological sign at the time of your birthday and the surrounding planets and their placements.


We ask ourselves over and over again, "is the reason why X is acting this way because his astrological sing is B, if so what can I do."

We however forget, that other things play a huge part in our personalities and characteristics as we grow up. However, how does it all intertwine. For example; lets say you were brought up in a household where marriage was something really important. As you grow older, and date someone you find out their parents have never been married yet lead a very healthy relationship, maybe even better then your own parents.
Lets fast forward, you have been in your current relationship for four years; mom comes to you can say "Honey when are you and (fill in the blank) are going to get married don't you think it's time."

You look at mom and say "Well, I don't think marriage on paper is that important. All that matters is the mind set; not the paper itself."

Mom looks at you quizzically and says "of course it's important, when you truly love someone , you marry that person. It shows you are committed to them and the relationship, not to mention in the bible it clear speaks of this union."

You tell mom, "yeah well, (fill in the blank) his parents have been together for over twenty years. Are you trying to say just cause they aren't married, that their love and union isn't as good as you and dads?"

Now, obviously because of nature I've been exposed to other ideals, which makes me question marriage which I was nurtured with as a child, now can you say me not pushing the marriage issue with my bf is because my Venus and Mars is in Aquarius?
Could someone else with other placements push the issue of marriage, or is it all in what you believe in and how you were brought up?

All this is hypothetical, but I'm wondering how all three intertwine and what are your thoughts on it. Because no matter what I believe all should be taken

In to consideration. Do you over look one or the other? Can you base a persons characteristics solely on their astrological sign?

What are your thoughts in this?

Posted by M
For me they're all as filters + just common consideration. Astrology = potential we shape. Just like other demographical cards we're dealt. The rest you develop by living and learning.

As for entwining, astrology usually serves as my framework (pending another major influence). Simply lets me get a handle on who I'm dealing with...baseline persona/thinking process. Like when prepping before you meet another culture. Then I tie that framework in with what I'm presently seeing, maybe add in things I've been told. All in a few seconds/back of my mind as things draw on.

Great topic. It's difficult to express my thinking on it (words are so confining), but I like it :p

Thank you _—
I brought it up because I've seen many discribe their relationships with others, and ask about the zodiac sign, and if it's in the norm for a person to act a certain way. Whether the act is disrespectful, or the person is detached, many just sum it up as astrology playing it's course; ultimately forgetting that astrology is but a fraction of the problem or the solution.

I do believe; that astrology can be a stepping stone to help us evolve, letting us know our strengths and weaknesses(in our foundation) and how to build, and tweak. Then you can take other aspects of your personality and look in to it as well to evolve as an individual.
Don't know if this makes much sense. Just trying to see how people look at astrology and it's coexistence with out up bringing and what we are exposed to from he outside world.

Posted by M
Yeah. Understanding where it's coming from/ why is one thing, but it's not a free pass :p

I agree; I don't think astrology should be used as a crutch to allow people, or make excuses for people to be a certain way.
It shouldn't be thought of as "Well I act like this because I'm (fill in the zodiac sign blank)."

A lot goes in to play, I'd say the biggest influence in our behavior over time is nature; what we are exposed to, who we are exposed to, what we experience and how we evolve due to it. To me it's not black and white, there is a big in between.
When we consider talking about it; I believe many should first ask deeper rooted questions, instead summoning it up to astrology.

Characteristic wise, for example, the father , Capricorns, I have noticed that many are serious, but not how others say. From my experience, it's a level maturity that they inhibit when it comes to paying bills, working, stock exchange, planning for the future not for the now, making sure the family is covered if something was to happen. Have money set aside just in case all atms go down and you can't use your debit cards, that kind of serious. So yes this is true; however, this can be amplified due to the up bringing, did this person have siblings, was he allowed to socialize as a child and teen and so on.

So yes I believe personality traits astrologically are there, but I believe there is more. And others should realize that there is more, the just using zodiac signs as an excuse.

I wonder however; how all three can be used to balance a person internally as externally.

Love this thread!! Nurture & nature imo will always outweigh astrology. Sure there is influences based on placements, houses etc. but same person growing up in abusive house vs. A loving home turns out extremely different. The generalities might be the same but their persona would be 100% different. At least that's my 2 cents on it.

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Posted by M
Yeah. Understanding where it's coming from/ why is one thing, but it's not a free pass :p

I agree; I don't think astrology should be used as a crutch to allow people, or make excuses for people to be a certain way. It shouldn't be thought of as "Well I act like this because I'm (fill in the zodiac sign blank)." A lot goes in to play, I'd say the biggest influence in our behavior over time is nature; what we are exposed to, who we are exposed to, what we experience and how we evolve due to it. To me it's not black and white, there is a big in between.
When we consider talking about it; I believe many should first ask deeper rooted questions, instead summoning it up to astrology. Characteristic wise, for example, the father , Capricorns, I have noticed that many are serious, but not how others say. From my experience, it's a level maturity that they inhibit when it comes to paying bills, working, stock exchange, planning for the future not for the now, making sure the family is covered if something was to happen. Have money set aside just in case all atms go down and you can't use your debit cards, that kind of serious. So yes this is true; however, this can be amplified due to the up bringing, did this person have siblings, was he allowed to socialize as a child and teen and so on. So yes I believe personality traits astrologically are there, but I believe there is more. And others should realize that there is more, the just using zodiac signs as an excuse.
I wonder however; how all three can be used to balance a person internally as externally.

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yes but if you say it over and over again, people start to believe in it. It's conditioning in the mind. But when you leave the place of astrology you see everywhere that plenty of people in different sun signs exhibit the same quality of responsibility and seriousness. Ok, fine, put some chart analysis on it, aspects, ect. It's when you're forced to be put into a situation like that. Do you sink or rise? Most people will take responsibility and struggle because you want to have a roof over your head, food in the fridge, your children fast asleep warm in their beds, nice clothes in the closet, ect. Nurture vs. Nature. I've seen it where people have been nurtured alot but still grow up irresponsible. Same with no

Same with not being nurtured - they turn out the most responsible. Doesn't matter.