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(Reuters) - Hooded gunmen stormed the Paris offices of a weekly satirical magazine known for lampooning radical Islam, killing at least 12 people, including two police officers in the worst militant attack on French soil in recent decades.
One of the men was captured on video shouting "Allah!" as four shots rang out. Two assailants were then seen calmly leaving the scene.
A police union official said the assailants remained at large and there were fears of further attacks.
Charlie Hebdo (Charlie Weekly) is well known for courting controversy with satirical attacks on political and religious leaders and has published numerous cartoons ridiculing the Prophet Mohammad. The last tweet on its account mocked Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the militant Islamic State, which has taken control of large swathes of Iraq and Syria.
President Francois Hollande rushed to the scene.
"An act of indescribable barbarity has just been committed today in Paris," he said. "Measures have been taken to find those responsible, they will be hunted for as long as it takes to catch them and bring them to justice."
A short amateur video broadcast by French television stations shows two hooded men outside the building. One of them sees a wounded policeman lying on the ground and strides over to him to shoot him dead at point-blank range. The two then walk over to a black saloon car and drive off.
In another clip on Television station iTELE, they are heard shouting: "We have killed Charlie Hebdo. We have avenged the Prophet Mohammad."
A police official said the gunmen fled towards the eastern Paris suburbs after holding up a car.
"There is a possibility of other attacks and other sites are being secured," Police union official Rocco Contento said.
Sirens could be heard across Paris as Prime Minister Manuel Valls said security would be ramped up at transport hubs, religious sites, media offices and department stores.
A firebomb attack gutted the headquarters of Charlie Hebdo in November 2011 after it put an image of the Prophet Mohammad on its cover in what it described as a Shariah edition.
On CNN, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said the people of France have been stalwart allies of the United States in the fight against Islamic State, while acknowledging it was not yet clear who was responsible for the attack in Paris.
One of the men was captured on video shouting "Allah!" as four shots rang out. Two assailants were then seen calmly leaving the scene.
A police union official said the assailants remained at large and there were fears of further attacks.
Charlie Hebdo (Charlie Weekly) is well known for courting controversy with satirical attacks on political and religious leaders and has published numerous cartoons ridiculing the Prophet Mohammad. The last tweet on its account mocked Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the militant Islamic State, which has taken control of large swathes of Iraq and Syria.
President Francois Hollande rushed to the scene.
"An act of indescribable barbarity has just been committed today in Paris," he said. "Measures have been taken to find those responsible, they will be hunted for as long as it takes to catch them and bring them to justice."
A short amateur video broadcast by French television stations shows two hooded men outside the building. One of them sees a wounded policeman lying on the ground and strides over to him to shoot him dead at point-blank range. The two then walk over to a black saloon car and drive off.
In another clip on Television station iTELE, they are heard shouting: "We have killed Charlie Hebdo. We have avenged the Prophet Mohammad."
A police official said the gunmen fled towards the eastern Paris suburbs after holding up a car.
"There is a possibility of other attacks and other sites are being secured," Police union official Rocco Contento said.
Sirens could be heard across Paris as Prime Minister Manuel Valls said security would be ramped up at transport hubs, religious sites, media offices and department stores.
A firebomb attack gutted the headquarters of Charlie Hebdo in November 2011 after it put an image of the Prophet Mohammad on its cover in what it described as a Shariah edition.
On CNN, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said the people of France have been stalwart allies of the United States in the fight against Islamic State, while acknowledging it was not yet clear who was responsible for the attack in Paris.
—But I can tell you that we have worked closely with the French in this effort to degrade and ultimately destroy ISIL," he said, referring to another acronym identifying Islamic state, which embraces a radical and violent interpretation of Islam.
Another 20 people were injured in the attack, including four or five critically. Police union official Contento described the scene inside the offices as "carnage".
Ten members of the Charlie Hebdo staff died in the attack, prosecutors said. Sources at the weekly said the dead included co-founder Jean "Cabu" Cabut and editor-in-chief Stephane "Charb" Charbonnier
"About a half an hour ago two black-hooded men entered the building with Kalashnikovs (rifles)," witness Benoit Bringer told TV station iTELE. "A few minutes later we heard lots of shots."
In a video shot by journalist Martin Boudot from a rooftop near the magazine's offices, a man can be heard screaming "Allah"; then followed the sound of three or four shots.
"They're coming out. There are two of them," says a new voice on the video as two men appear in the frame, then raise their arms in a shooting posture.
France last year reinforced its anti-terrorism laws and is already on alert after calls from Islamist militants to attack its citizens and interests in reprisal for French military strikes on Islamist strongholds in the Middle East and Africa.
"I am extremely angry. These are criminals, barbarians. They have sold their soul to hell. This is not freedom. This is not Islam and I hope the french will come out united at the end of this," said Hassen Chalghoumi, imam of the Drancy mosque in Paris's Seine-Saint-Denis northern suburb.
GUNMEN FLED
Dozens of police and emergency services were at the site as police secured a wide perimeter around the shooting site, where a Reuters reporter saw a car riddled with bullet holes.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel was among European leaders condemning the shooting.
"This abominable act is not only an attack on the lives of French citizens and their security. It is also an attack on freedom of speech and the press, core elements of our free democratic culture."
The New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists described the attack as a brazen assault on free expression.
The scale of the violence is appalling," said CPJ Deputy Director Robert Mahoney. "Journalists must now stand together to send the message that such murderous attempts to silence us will not stand."
Another 20 people were injured in the attack, including four or five critically. Police union official Contento described the scene inside the offices as "carnage".
Ten members of the Charlie Hebdo staff died in the attack, prosecutors said. Sources at the weekly said the dead included co-founder Jean "Cabu" Cabut and editor-in-chief Stephane "Charb" Charbonnier
"About a half an hour ago two black-hooded men entered the building with Kalashnikovs (rifles)," witness Benoit Bringer told TV station iTELE. "A few minutes later we heard lots of shots."
In a video shot by journalist Martin Boudot from a rooftop near the magazine's offices, a man can be heard screaming "Allah"; then followed the sound of three or four shots.
"They're coming out. There are two of them," says a new voice on the video as two men appear in the frame, then raise their arms in a shooting posture.
France last year reinforced its anti-terrorism laws and is already on alert after calls from Islamist militants to attack its citizens and interests in reprisal for French military strikes on Islamist strongholds in the Middle East and Africa.
"I am extremely angry. These are criminals, barbarians. They have sold their soul to hell. This is not freedom. This is not Islam and I hope the french will come out united at the end of this," said Hassen Chalghoumi, imam of the Drancy mosque in Paris's Seine-Saint-Denis northern suburb.
GUNMEN FLED
Dozens of police and emergency services were at the site as police secured a wide perimeter around the shooting site, where a Reuters reporter saw a car riddled with bullet holes.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel was among European leaders condemning the shooting.
"This abominable act is not only an attack on the lives of French citizens and their security. It is also an attack on freedom of speech and the press, core elements of our free democratic culture."
The New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists described the attack as a brazen assault on free expression.
The scale of the violence is appalling," said CPJ Deputy Director Robert Mahoney. "Journalists must now stand together to send the message that such murderous attempts to silence us will not stand."
Late last year, a man shouting "Allahu Akbar" ("God is greatest") injured 13 by ramming a vehicle into a crowd in the eastern city of Dijon. French officials say several attacks were prevented in recent weeks and Valls has said France had "never before faced such a high threat linked to terrorism".
While there was no immediate claim for the shooting, one supporter of Islamic State suggested in a tweet the image of Mohammed was the reason for the attack.
The last major attack in Paris was in the mid-1990s when the Algerian Armed Islamic Group (GIA) carried out a spate of attacks, including the bombing of a commuter train in 1995 which killed eight people and injured 150.
(Reporting By Brian Love, Sophie Louet, Alexandria Sage, Gerard Bon, Dominique Rodriguez and Ali Abdelaty in Cairo; Writing by John Irish and Mark John; Editing by Ralph Boulton)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/07/us-france-shooting-idUSKBN0KG0Y120150107
While there was no immediate claim for the shooting, one supporter of Islamic State suggested in a tweet the image of Mohammed was the reason for the attack.
The last major attack in Paris was in the mid-1990s when the Algerian Armed Islamic Group (GIA) carried out a spate of attacks, including the bombing of a commuter train in 1995 which killed eight people and injured 150.
(Reporting By Brian Love, Sophie Louet, Alexandria Sage, Gerard Bon, Dominique Rodriguez and Ali Abdelaty in Cairo; Writing by John Irish and Mark John; Editing by Ralph Boulton)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/07/us-france-shooting-idUSKBN0KG0Y120150107
This is a sad day for parisians, freedom of press and for people who peacefully practice their religion and don't go to extremes with it.
Why do we see humor/satire as a direct threat? How can we lose it like this?
We see it also on these forums a lot. Someone being sarcastic and other posters taking it as a direct insult to their personality and everything they stand for. Have we developped a total reluctance to laugh at each other once in a while? Are we so easily offended and going overboard with it?
This makes me sad. 😢
Why do we see humor/satire as a direct threat? How can we lose it like this?
We see it also on these forums a lot. Someone being sarcastic and other posters taking it as a direct insult to their personality and everything they stand for. Have we developped a total reluctance to laugh at each other once in a while? Are we so easily offended and going overboard with it?
This makes me sad. 😢
Posted by GetMisted
FoxNews be warned.
You aren't giving up, are you?lol
I don't care about the agenda here. I expect a lot of racial and religious bashing to follow up.
Just the idea of it. Going to a satirical magazine and killing people who run it. Why? I'm talking in general about us people..can we not cope with humor/satire anymore? Criticism? Do we get riled up over anything and some of us take it to the extreme in this scenario.
It just shows..a lot of intolerance and self-importance. We're all just passing time on this planet.
Islam - the religion of peace.
*eyeroll*
*eyeroll*
Posted by GetMisted
Sad yes..
But just think. The Media/News stirs a lot of emotions. None of us can sit here and say we didn't see this coming.
When you have news outlets pushing agendas and propoganda, things like this are bound to upset people.
FoxNews be warned.
😕
I'm confused--
Do you mean we should have seen it coming because
we know muslims kill people who do this?
Posted by Damnata
In another clip on Television station iTELE, they are heard shouting: "... We have avenged the Prophet Mohammad."
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The 2011 bombing:
Not sure what other conclusion to draw from your statement.
Posted by DamnataPosted by KVZZMIR11
This is why no one likes Muslims.
Aaaand here we go.click to expand
It's relevant to the story.
Monty, you're talking to me or GetMisted? Got confused on your last sentence.
It just seems that moderation in general seems to be tough to accomplish. I mean we debate in real life and we care about our opinions and we react emotionally when someone has a different mindset. But then we chill and maybe grudgingly consider their point of view. Or let it go completely.
I don't see this as a religion/race issue. It's just a human tendency which seems to go unchecked a lot over the last few years.
It just seems that moderation in general seems to be tough to accomplish. I mean we debate in real life and we care about our opinions and we react emotionally when someone has a different mindset. But then we chill and maybe grudgingly consider their point of view. Or let it go completely.
I don't see this as a religion/race issue. It's just a human tendency which seems to go unchecked a lot over the last few years.
Thats people for you, some can do great things others cause great devastation.
Posted by Damnata
Monty, you're talking to me or GetMisted? Got confused on your last sentence.
It just seems that moderation in general seems to be tough to accomplish. I mean we debate in real life and we care about our opinions and we react emotionally when someone has a different mindset. But then we chill and maybe grudgingly consider their point of view. Or let it go completely.
I don't see this as a religion/race issue. It's just a human tendency which seems to go unchecked a lot over the last few years.
I'm talking to GETMISTED, who said we should have seen it coming.
🙂
Posted by KVZZMIR11
How can you like someone who is willing to kill you in the name of God?
They are absolutely no different than your perverted neighbor that threatens to cut your head off if you don't stop pointing lasers into his windows at night.
Hate them all! They are batshit crazy people!
This is exactly the kind of radical mindset I am referring to. Why can there be no moderation?
There will be good and bad people under any religion/race/etc. Why not acknowledge that?
We just seem to veer off into the black vs white mindset all the time.
Posted by KVZZMIR11
... your perverted neighbor that threatens to cut your head off if you don't stop pointing lasers into his windows at night.
😆
Why would you do that?
Posted by xyPosted by CapTennPosted by DamnataPosted by KVZZMIR11
This is why no one likes Muslims.
Aaaand here we go.
It's relevant to the story.
You forget the Christian Crusades?
How come that's not noted?
How come we only choose to this, a misrepresentation of Muslims...click to expand
Because this story is not 400 years old.....only 24 hours.
Posted by KVZZMIR11Posted by xyPosted by CapTennPosted by DamnataPosted by KVZZMIR11
This is why no one likes Muslims.
Aaaand here we go.
It's relevant to the story.
You forget the Christian Crusades?
How come that's not noted?
How come we only choose to this, a misrepresentation of Muslims...
Please don't mention the "Catholic" Crusades if you don't know the full story.
It just makes you look na??ve.click to expand
That's putting it kindly..........
Posted by CapTenn
Islam - the religion of peace.
*eyeroll*
*eyeroll*
It's got nothing to do with Islam in itself, it's about the extremists who happen to be practicing it. You're putting too much importance on religion and not enough on personal responsibility. That in itself is extremist thinking.
Posted by DarkFire
The west will back you up, but for once Europe needs take care of these problems in their territory
It was just the diplomatic response from an ally, basically political protocol.
Maybe you can explain your "for once" comment, because I have this suspicion the average american thinks the US are helping all the countries in the world..and it's just not true. Not that they should help.
Posted by enfant_terriblePosted by CapTenn
Islam - the religion of peace.
*eyeroll*
*eyeroll*
It's got nothing to do with Islam in itself, it's about the extremists who happen to be practicing it. You're putting too much importance on religion and not enough on personal responsibility. That in itself is extremist thinking.click to expand
I don't emphasize their religion -- they do.
Thanks, though.
Posted by FoxPosted by CapTennPosted by enfant_terriblePosted by CapTenn
Islam - the religion of peace.
*eyeroll*
*eyeroll*
It's got nothing to do with Islam in itself, it's about the extremists who happen to be practicing it. You're putting too much importance on religion and not enough on personal responsibility. That in itself is extremist thinking.
I don't emphasize their religion -- they do.
Thanks, though.
You just did lmao.click to expand
Read the article linked.
I didn't write it.....lmao
Posted by xyPosted by CapTennPosted by DamnataPosted by KVZZMIR11
This is why no one likes Muslims.
Aaaand here we go.
It's relevant to the story.
You forget the Christian Crusades?
How come that's not noted?
How come we only choose to this, a misrepresentation of Muslims...click to expand
You mean the Catholics.
They stopped doing that about 700 years ago, iirc-- give or take a century.
Posted by LadyOfRebirth
You killed over 500,000 people in Iraq alone these last 12 years.
Nothing like spreading democracy, baby. It's frightening that some people actually believe that's what was going on. Being kind and bringing democracy on a platter for those poor oppressed people. I mean, who wouldn't want that?
Atleast we can all agree the media is bad everywhere. It's just the reasoning that spin in our minds when following it (myself and everyone else included) that seem..warped.
Posted by CapTennPosted by enfant_terriblePosted by CapTenn
Islam - the religion of peace.
*eyeroll*
*eyeroll*
It's got nothing to do with Islam in itself, it's about the extremists who happen to be practicing it. You're putting too much importance on religion and not enough on personal responsibility. That in itself is extremist thinking.
I don't emphasize their religion -- they do.
Thanks, though.click to expand
What difference does it make if they do? If someone shot up a place in the name of Christ you'd make no assumptions about his religious beliefs, you'd just figure him for a nutcase. But when a muslim does it it's cuz he's a muslim nutcase.
Posted by DamnataPosted by KVZZMIR11
How can you like someone who is willing to kill you in the name of God?
They are absolutely no different than your perverted neighbor that threatens to cut your head off if you don't stop pointing lasers into his windows at night.
Hate them all! They are batshit crazy people!
This is exactly the kind of radical mindset I am referring to. Why can there be no moderation?
There will be good and bad people under any religion/race/etc. Why not acknowledge that?
We just seem to veer off into the black vs white mindset all the time.
click to expand
um there is moderation 99.9% of the time. That's why these events stand out, and get your attention.
? Americans can't do anything, we got enough problems of our own with police killing innocent civilians on camera and still get away with it. This world is full of humans with no morals and that could be any teenager, woman or man. Race or religion is not the issue no more, its about who haves the power and who doesn't. Police in America realize that they can kill someone innocent and make up a story later. This world is going to shit and if people keep thinking this is a race issue or even based on religion then that person has been completely trapped in the closet for the last 20 years. I don't care has become the world motto.
Posted by DamnataPosted by DarkFire
The west will back you up, but for once Europe needs take care of these problems in their territory
It was just the diplomatic response from an ally, basically political protocol.
Maybe you can explain your "for once" comment, because I have this suspicion the average american thinks the US are helping all the countries in the world..and it's just not true. Not that they should help.
click to expand
Posted by enfant_terriblePosted by CapTennPosted by enfant_terriblePosted by CapTenn
Islam - the religion of peace.
*eyeroll*
*eyeroll*
It's got nothing to do with Islam in itself, it's about the extremists who happen to be practicing it. You're putting too much importance on religion and not enough on personal responsibility. That in itself is extremist thinking.
I don't emphasize their religion -- they do.
Thanks, though.
What difference does it make if they do? If someone shot up a place in the name of Christ you'd make no assumptions about his religious beliefs, you'd just figure him for a nutcase. But when a muslim does it it's cuz he's a muslim nutcase.click to expand
Seems to be a LOT of Muslim nutcases.
Better.
Posted by DarkFirePosted by DamnataPosted by DarkFire
The west will back you up, but for once Europe needs take care of these problems in their territory
It was just the diplomatic response from an ally, basically political protocol.
Maybe you can explain your "for once" comment, because I have this suspicion the average american thinks the US are helping all the countries in the world..and it's just not true. Not that they should help.
Two sides of the world, two different medias, two different views.
Not saying what I said is 100% correct, just expressing what I've seen during the last 20 years of life.click to expand
I agree. But I am living here so I'd know better if this continent actually gets help from the US, don't you think?
At the end of it, see you have your mindset, I have mine and we can agree to disagree.
Now imagine if everyone would come up with a compromise to let arguments go peacefully.
Posted by AstrobynPosted by DamnataPosted by KVZZMIR11
How can you like someone who is willing to kill you in the name of God?
They are absolutely no different than your perverted neighbor that threatens to cut your head off if you don't stop pointing lasers into his windows at night.
Hate them all! They are batshit crazy people!
This is exactly the kind of radical mindset I am referring to. Why can there be no moderation?
There will be good and bad people under any religion/race/etc. Why not acknowledge that?
We just seem to veer off into the black vs white mindset all the time.
um there is moderation 99.9% of the time. That's why these events stand out, and get your attention.click to expand
You're missing the point.
I was talking about the moderation in how we perceive this. Not the moderation in how often these things happen. Obviously they don't happen all the time.
But whenever it does happen, we always fall back on race/religion/etc. That's what I was talking about.
Posted by GetMisted
@monty.. Sorry on my phone and don't feel like quoting.
Not because they are muslim, but because society as a whole can't take a joke. Especially when it comes to religion.
The French can take a joke; the integrated French muslims can too. There's just a few clit-cutters here and there that can't.
Oh well, they can't kill us all. If we can mock our Gods and prophets, the celebrities, surely Mohammed isn't getting any special treatment.
Posted by KVZZMIR11
Watch carefully because it might be your tolerant asshole on the line next...
The odds are against that happening, with my tolerant ass living in a country where guns aren't so easily affordable. Where you can only have one under a special permit for police or judges.
I'm sure your radical ass will be on the line far more often than mine. But then, it's just statistics.
Isn't sarcasm great?
Posted by GetMistedPosted by LadyOfRebirth
Funny how no one is mentioning all the attacks on Swedish mosques just last week.
Or how many Muslim people died at the hand of America and it's western allies in recent wars.
It's okay though, when western armies kill innocent people it's justified, right?
You killed over 500,000 people in Iraq alone these last 12 years.
Just stfu, seriously.
^^^^click to expand
Arson is suspected in two fires.
The Swedes are clearly embarrassed at the foray.
"Love-bombed" it reads.
link
Not sure about the rest of your post--
This is France; not America.
Posted by DamnataPosted by AstrobynPosted by DamnataPosted by KVZZMIR11
How can you like someone who is willing to kill you in the name of God?
They are absolutely no different than your perverted neighbor that threatens to cut your head off if you don't stop pointing lasers into his windows at night.
Hate them all! They are batshit crazy people!
This is exactly the kind of radical mindset I am referring to. Why can there be no moderation?
There will be good and bad people under any religion/race/etc. Why not acknowledge that?
We just seem to veer off into the black vs white mindset all the time.
um there is moderation 99.9% of the time. That's why these events stand out, and get your attention.
You're missing the point.
I was talking about the moderation in how we perceive this. Not the moderation in how often these things happen. Obviously they don't happen all the time.
But whenever it does happen, we always fall back on race/religion/etc. That's what I was talking about.click to expand
No. You failed to make a clear point.
Posted by KVZZMIR11Posted by LadyOfRebirth
Funny how no one is mentioning all the attacks on Swedish mosques just last week.
Or how many Muslim people died at the hand of America and it's western allies in recent wars.
It's okay though, when western armies kill innocent people it's justified, right?
You killed over 500,000 people in Iraq alone these last 12 years.
Just stfu, seriously.
This is why....
[place random graphic videos here for sensationalism]
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Yes throw in a couple of graphic videos and suddenly we're all more enlightened on the subject matter.
Retard.
Posted by DirtyFrank
And why is it always Muslim ? Be it boko haram selling little girls or some knife wielders in China or attack against Buddhist in Myanmar or Gang rapes in India or mass murder of children in Pakistan or shooting in Sydney.
It's called confirmation bias.
If you look at it with a religious bias in place..you will browse articles and only remember those where the specific race was the culprit. And that's how you believe everything is always about those people and they do all the damage in the world, thus reinforcing that bias. You see what you want to see all the time. Prolongued exposure
Same with the topics on cops. Cases where the cops were in the wrong got so much attention, it's hard to fathom the are also cops out there who do their job right.
In the end it's hard to telll which is the majority. Personally, I think the majority is the exact opposite of what the media portrays it to be. For every 1 article about a shooting, there's other 10 nice things happening in the world.
Posted by DirtyFrank
And why is it always Muslim ? Be it boko haram selling little girls or some knife wielders in China or attack against Buddhist in Myanmar or Gang rapes in India or mass murder of children in Pakistan or shooting in Sydney.
Classic case of tunnel vision. You should make out with CapTenn.
Why do ppl always confuse religion with sociological factors?
And non-Christians being massacred by Christians in godforsaken parts of Africa of course that isn't happening?
Sociological factors.
Sociological factors.
Still going full retard.
Posted by seraphPosted by Damnata
(Reuters) - Hooded gunmen stormed the Paris offices of a weekly satirical magazine known for lampooning radical Islam, killing at least 12 people, including two police officers in the worst militant attack on French soil in recent decades.
This point caught my attention.
"lampooning radical Islam"
Is it really necessary to do this?
While it might be in vogue to poke fun (as a means of criticism/suggesting the need for reform) at the radical elements of Islam (or any other faith), if you know (and most of us do, especially those in the media) that making fun of one of the figureheads of a religion - especially Islam, or one of the ideas to which "radical" (or even "moderate") elements of that faith are known to take offense (and sometimes violently), why even do it?
Muslims in general, for instance - not just "radical" elements of Islam - take The Prophet Mohammed's teachings and how his image and likeness are treated very seriously as a matter of course. Why mock that? Even if those in the "West" (e.g., America, France) feel that somehow "Islamic propaganda" misrepresents or otherwise belittles American (or French) values, why is that taken as license to give the same in return?
"Lampooning" elements, ideas and figureheads of another's faith (whether Christian, Muslim, Hindu, etc.) is as juvenile as it is wrong to use faith as a justification for violence.
That weekly satirical magazine had a choice about what to publish, and they were not ignorant about what they were doing and how such material would be received.
Once again, a shocking deficit of common sense resulted in a surplus of tragedy.click to expand
Yup. It's the media. The words are framed in a specific order and with specific terms to pump up the sensationalism. I usually read articles on reuters but even this one was a bit biased.
I don't see violence as a logical aftermath of a joke/satire so I can't relate Seraph. So the "Why do it?" in my case falls on death ears.
Just being honest. I never had to worry myself about someone choking me to death for a joke and I hope I never will.
Even though sometimes karma gets you for acting smart/sarcastic:
True story.
Just being honest. I never had to worry myself about someone choking me to death for a joke and I hope I never will.
Even though sometimes karma gets you for acting smart/sarcastic:
True story.
Posted by seraph
That weekly satirical magazine had a choice about what to publish, and they were not ignorant about what they were doing and how such material would be received.
Once again, a shocking deficit of common sense resulted in a surplus of tragedy.
Damn...I was losing hope there for a minute. Ditto & thank you Seraph!! The first thing that came to my mind was..
LOGIC/COMMON SENSE
Knowing the radical extremists who murder in the name of allah and what they are capable of currently and in the past I guess in France doesn't compute? So..the mind set let's fuck with them, belittle them while hiding behind a lead pencil and print for......what exactly? 12 dead people?
Does France and other wanna be comics get a clue now? Why not throw on a uniform like the rest of our soldiers across the world and just get on the front line and spit out that satire? Why hide behind a pencil, desk and paper? smh
Posted by Damnata
I don't see violence as a logical aftermath of a joke/satire so I can't relate Seraph. So the "Why do it?" in my case falls on death ears.
Just being honest. I never had to worry myself about someone choking me to death for a joke and I hope I never will.
Even though sometimes karma gets you for acting smart/sarcastic:
True story.
Week after week of watching a head get sawed off manually, 9/11, and every single terroristic incident that took place in the last 15 years isn't something I would joke about, nor would I ever think to play the "DARE" game... But that's me.
Posted by capricornmoon
What is the purpose of taunting terrorist groups in cartoon depictions? Is it really necessary?
Doesn't make sense at all. nada
^I get it LIB.
But this was also a career for people. Should a stand-up comedian be shot on stage? A lot of them walk a very fine line between offensive and funny.
As with everything, we default to our perspective. In mine, no harm is actually being done to anyone. So I don't see the link with escalating violence or why I should think I might get killed if I write satire.
I have my beliefs and I've seen cartoons that mock them too. Does that give me a valid reason to lose it? Is it the cartoonist's fault for me losing it?
In the case I don't think they anticipated this in any degree. Threats will happen but something like this? Might be common sense for some, for me it would be literally unthinkable.
As far as "Throw an uniform"..why? If they had a passion for that, they'd be in the army but weren't. I resent this being seen as "oh they were just cowards hiding behind a cartoon". No, they were working at a magazine, that's what they loved. I don't see where cowardice factors in this.
I enjoy reading different perspectives in this topic anyway 🙂
But this was also a career for people. Should a stand-up comedian be shot on stage? A lot of them walk a very fine line between offensive and funny.
As with everything, we default to our perspective. In mine, no harm is actually being done to anyone. So I don't see the link with escalating violence or why I should think I might get killed if I write satire.
I have my beliefs and I've seen cartoons that mock them too. Does that give me a valid reason to lose it? Is it the cartoonist's fault for me losing it?
In the case I don't think they anticipated this in any degree. Threats will happen but something like this? Might be common sense for some, for me it would be literally unthinkable.
As far as "Throw an uniform"..why? If they had a passion for that, they'd be in the army but weren't. I resent this being seen as "oh they were just cowards hiding behind a cartoon". No, they were working at a magazine, that's what they loved. I don't see where cowardice factors in this.
I enjoy reading different perspectives in this topic anyway 🙂
Also the main purpose of a business is not to taunt people who wouldn't like it anyway.
It's to draw profit from the audience that enjoys satire.
So no, as a business decision I wouldn't cater to the minority.
If there would be no audience, they would've had no success. No succes = reconsidering the angle on satire.
I still can't see it as common sense like for example poking a bear. That's common sense it will maul you. Or resisting arrest. I really think they didn't see the implications, common sense or not. Still didn't somehow deserve it for it.
It's to draw profit from the audience that enjoys satire.
So no, as a business decision I wouldn't cater to the minority.
If there would be no audience, they would've had no success. No succes = reconsidering the angle on satire.
I still can't see it as common sense like for example poking a bear. That's common sense it will maul you. Or resisting arrest. I really think they didn't see the implications, common sense or not. Still didn't somehow deserve it for it.
Posted by Damnata
^I get it LIB.
But this was also a career for people. Should a stand-up comedian be shot on stage? A lot of them walk a very fine line between offensive and funny.
As with everything, we default to our perspective. In mine, no harm is actually being done to anyone.
I don't think you do at all. If you think comparing a stand up comedian to this bullshit:
"French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, which was targeted by gunmen on Wednesday, is no stranger to controversy, extremist threats and violence.
The anti-religious, left-wing magazine has no qualms about offending people. From publishing the Danish cartoons of Muhammad that sparked Middle East riots in 2005 to renaming an edition "Shariah Hebdo" and listing Islam's prophet as its supposed editor-in-chief, the weekly has repeatedly caricatured Muslims and their beliefs.
On New Year's Eve, it published a caricature of a dog having sex with the leg of French President Francois Hollande, while on Dec. 20 it published a cartoon of the Virgin Mary giving birth to Jesus, who was depicted with a pig nose."
There's comedy and there's extreme anti-religion. Please don't try to put both in the same boat.
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