something unsettling about pushing LGBTQ on kids…:/ (Page 3)

@Findingbalance

so sorry, i assumed you were a guy all this time. i saw you referring to your partner/love interest as a he/him in the past so i thought maybe you were lgbtq 😅

“Honestly though I am an observer, from childhood. And the most dangerous people I've observed are the ones who become so entrenched that they lose site of everything else. ”

i agree. i think we need to just realize we don’t have all the answers. we may have opinions but not answers. it’s dangerous when anyone tries to appoint themselves as god or some sorta authority figure on a sensitive situation that has more than one answer.

but i do wanna say that i hope ppl will have enough respect for gender identity that they will not treat it like a fashion/changing a t-shirt.

“I've also spent a lot of time being misunderstood or told what I'm thinking/feeling, by people who are inevitably wrong and usually projecting, so I get that part of the discussion.”

i think i know that feeling a little too well myself 😅when i’m not sure how someone feels, i try to ask usually. it’s easier than just guessing.

i wanna wrap up this discussion.

thank you to everyone who participated.

i knew there would be disagreements and differences of opinions but i was able to get numerous perspectives on the subject and it was enlightening, even if i couldn’t fully understand or agree with some of the thoughts shared. but it was informative and enlightening nonetheless. gave me some stuff to think about.

i wanna thank everyone for weighing in.

Posted by Iaorst
In a broader context, the human ability to forsee consequences or see outside/beyond own person is terribly overestimated.

true. also it comes down to responsibility. just like when big pharma deflected responsibility and ran away after ppl started reporting horrific side effects from the vaccine, these hormone people will just do the same. my grandfather suddenly developed lung cancer soon after taking the vaxx (still in and out of hospital for it, been seeing a bunch of stuff online recently about the vaxx being linked to cancer as well) , my friend’s once-healthy family member suddenly developed serious heart problems and brain hemorrhage that is still ongoing but we won’t get too deeply into that ‘cause i don’t have the time or energy to deal with vaxx fanatics 😅

i can’t engage with ppl who refuse to see anything beyond their little world…

“if it ain’t happening to me, then it doesn’t exist” is a lazy way to think.

i don’t like irresponsible kindness disguised as tolerance/broad-mindedness or clemency.

Posted by serenidad
so, for the past couple of months, i kept seeing stuff on social media about transgender/lgbtq education. teaching little kids in kindergarten or elementary schools about transgender/lgbtq stuff and i dunno i just felt a bit of a discomfort/unsettling feeling about the whole thing…


some questions that came to my mind were :


1) most people don’t even know who they are or what they wanna do yet at 19 or 20. so wouldn’t it just cause more harm than good to bombard kids with extra info they don’t necessarily need at that age?

why is there a need to confuse little kids who are still impressionable…? :/ why is there such a sense of emergency surrounding this whole trans/lgbtq thing ?


2)i could be wrong but i was under the impression that if a kid is gay, les, bi, or trans, he/she will most likely figure it out on their own without anyone’s help or prompting. at least that was the case for me personally….i barely knew anything about lgbtq in my childhood or even early teenage years but i just kinda realized on my own that i was bi…

is there a need to confuse little kids who will eventually figure out on their own if they’re lgbtq or not ?



i understand that discrimination was and is still an issue and we definitely have come a long way thanks to the people who have raised their voices regarding lgbtq but i feel like bombarding kids with this info should be off-limits….:/ just because i think it will only confuse them or give them stress.



3)i read that transgender treatments and surgeries bring in big bucks for Pharma….could that possibly be the reason for the sense of emergency surrounding this movement? :/



what are your thoughts about this ?


also, discussions about transgender people being allowed in bathrooms of their preference? (meaning a man can go into a woman’s bathroom if they say they’re transgender…and stuff like that) ?


this seems unsettling to me as well because it could easily be abused by the wrong people with bad intentions….:/


also a man competing as a woman in the woman’s olympics and just strange stuff like that….:/


i wanna hear some thoughts because i might just be overthinking it….:/ ? like, sticking my nose where it doesn’t belong ?:/

You're not alone in how you feel. This shit has gone too far. People are identifying as cats and doors. Just weird af.

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Posted by serenidad
so, for the past couple of months, i kept seeing stuff on social media about transgender/lgbtq education. teaching little kids in kindergarten or elementary schools about transgender/lgbtq stuff and i dunno i just felt a bit of a discomfort/unsettling feeling about the whole thing…

some questions that came to my mind were :

1) most people don’t even know who they are or what they wanna do yet at 19 or 20. so wouldn’t it just cause more harm than good to bombard kids with extra info they don’t necessarily need at that age?

why is there a need to confuse little kids who are still impressionable…? :/ why is there such a sense of emergency surrounding this whole trans/lgbtq thing ?

2)i could be wrong but i was under the impression that if a kid is gay, les, bi, or trans, he/she will most likely figure it out on their own without anyone’s help or prompting. at least that was the case for me personally….i barely knew anything about lgbtq in my childhood or even early teenage years but i just kinda realized on my own that i was bi…

is there a need to confuse little kids who will eventually figure out on their own if they’re lgbtq or not ?


i understand that discrimination was and is still an issue and we definitely have come a long way thanks to the people who have raised their voices regarding lgbtq but i feel like bombarding kids with this info should be off-limits….:/ just because i think it will only confuse them or give them stress.


3)i read that transgender treatments and surgeries bring in big bucks for Pharma….could that possibly be the reason for the sense of emergency surrounding this movement? :/


what are your thoughts about this ?

also, discussions about transgender people being allowed in bathrooms of their preference? (meaning a man can go into a woman’s bathroom if they say they’re transgender…and stuff like that) ?

this seems unsettling to me as well because it could easily be abused by the wrong people with bad intentions….:/

also a man competing as a woman in the woman’s olympics and just strange stuff like that….:/

i wanna hear some thoughts because i might just be overthinking it….:/ ? like, sticking my nose where it doesn’t belong ?:/

You're not alone in how you feel. This shit has gone too far. People are identifying as cats and doors. Just weird af.

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it’s a slippery slope for sure…:/

it seems all too easy for some people to lose touch with reality completely while searching for something to identity with. identifying as cats and doors (as in your example) is a sign that a person has probably lost touch with reality…

it’s fine as long as these people do this in private. without burdening anyone else. you can be a cabbage or a cactus or whatever you wanna be. as long as you’re doing it in private. 😅

but if you’re trying to get the rest of society involved, saying things like “the waiter at the restaurant didn’t acknowledge me as a cabbage. that’s discrimination.”

Then, we have a huge problem. Lol

when you’re trying to pass laws, throwing tantrums when people don’t see you as a cabbage, it becomes a whole another issue.

i mean….what’s really stopping anyone from saying things like these in the future too….

“i’m 30 but i feel like 8 today so can i pay kid’s admission fee to get in?”

“i’m a fully able-bodied person but i feel disabled so can i apply for disability benefits?”

these statements sound silly and absurd at this very moment, right…?

but who really knows in several years…

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Posted by Iaorst
In a broader context, the human ability to forsee consequences or see outside/beyond own person is terribly overestimated.

true. also it comes down to responsibility. just like when big pharma deflected responsibility and ran away after ppl started reporting horrific side effects from the vaccine, these hormone people will just do the same. my grandfather suddenly developed lung cancer soon after taking the vaxx (still in and out of hospital for it, been seeing a bunch of stuff online recently about the vaxx being linked to cancer as well) , my friend’s once-healthy family member suddenly developed serious heart problems and brain hemorrhage that is still ongoing but we won’t get too deeply into that ‘cause i don’t have the time or energy to deal with vaxx fanatics 😅

i can’t engage with ppl who refuse to see anything beyond their little world…

“if it ain’t happening to me, then it doesn’t exist” is a lazy way to think.

i don’t like irresponsible kindness disguised as tolerance/broad-mindedness or clemency.
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Pharma companies are like any other oriented to profit-making and loss-mitigation. Their prime motivation is unlikely a sense of goodwill. Of course this does not discount that there are people within with such motivations -- like in the area of research there'll certainly be many with humanist drives who care deeply about their work, but i doubt they have more say in matters than an investor for example. Hospitals are another example, handrubbing behind the scenes for position gaining or influence, and its halls and wards could as well be Asclepius' temple(this example seems more like nature's orientation to survival. Still).

Not saying they're drooling with harmful intent but even if they were, they are subjected to regulations which keep them in check...more or less.

That business side of it puts a question mark on any claim that people's wellbeing is the main concern.


Point is, any responsibility that's accepted is heavily shaped by that orientation of loss v profit.


Whether it's the breeze or my sleepy head this feels jumbled. I'm open to corrections or elaborations.



... I don't know how much you've been affected by it, or what gestures like this are worth in spaces like this, but I'm sorry about your grandfather.

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when i said irresponsible kindness, i was mainly talking about the people who support this trans/hormone movement on kids. their heart is in the right place yet their kindness is misplaced.

as for big pharma, yes, i believe you are right on the mark in saying that their prime motivation is unlikely a sense of goodwill. if people became healthy or didn’t rely on medicine, these companies wouldn’t make any money. keeping people sick, and dependent on meds they don’t really need means more money. i know a girl who was prescribed anti depressants for several years and was self harming and had suicidal thoughts all the time but as soon as she went off of it, her mood improved tremendously, she stopped self harming and she wasn’t suicidal anymore.

even with the vaxx, they kept changing their tunes frequently about its effectiveness and purpose. it ultimately turned out to be one of those situations where the longer people remained unjabbed, the more evidence they saw supporting their decisions. yet gov and big pharma even ended up forcing that shit on kids, knowing it wasn’t effective. all for what?

anyway, thanks. my grandpa is hanging in there right now.

A man is a man a woman a woman. In the end,for example if people die in a plane crash and there's nothing left but bones. How do they make a difference if it's a female or a male? By the bones. Simple as that.

And also fuck those who had reported me for the bestiality comment and Pan. Motherfuckers in here

Anyway. Gotta get ready for my Ramadan. I rest this case Ladies and Gents.

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A man is a man a woman a woman. In the end,for example if people die in a plane crash and there's nothing left but bones. How do they make a difference if it's a female or a male? By the bones. Simple as that.

By the boner more like. Arf arf.

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Posted by FValentina
A man is a man a woman a woman. In the end,for example if people die in a plane crash and there's nothing left but bones. How do they make a difference if it's a female or a male? By the bones. Simple as that.

according to this dude, there’s 100 genders.

even the poor transgender woman sitting next to him can’t understand wtf he’s talking about.

many members of lgbtq/trans (including myself) who are fed up with this new “i can identify as anything” nonsense. i honestly don’t know how this is helping lgbtq get more respect.

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A man is a man a woman a woman. In the end,for example if people die in a plane crash and there's nothing left but bones. How do they make a difference if it's a female or a male? By the bones. Simple as that.

according to this dude, there’s 100 genders.

even the poor transgender woman sitting next to him can’t understand wtf he’s talking about.

many members of lgbtq/trans (including myself) who are fed up with this new “i can identify as anything” nonsense. i honestly don’t know how this is helping lgbtq get more respect.



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The best promotion for LGBT recently has arguably been rupauls drag race, something anyone can enjoy. Worst is theory like the one mentioned above, I think it's also been the best blow for fourth wave feminism. Nobody who is busy is interested in gender academia.

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i was watching an interview the other day about this woman who escaped north korea, she's all over the media right now (i think she did a TED talk?) and she was spitting facts.

"instead of learning about someone's character and who they are as a person, all of our energy is now being spent on learning about someone's pronouns. even north korea isn't this crazy. at least we know what a woman is, and what a man is. but in america, you can identify as a african american or as a korean even. it's chaos. what is true is so lost that nothing is true anymore."

"not having a problem is actually a problem. they're creating problems."

powerful coming from a north korean defector.

"we're studying knowledge to find truth. a feeling is not a fact. feeling isn't the same thing as logic. now, we have every excuse to not find truth and just say we feel triggered. and you feel accepted, legitimized because you feel a certain way."

"there's no more wrong and bad. nothing is clear, everything is blurry."

gender neutral family are raising their child as a "theyby"

Posted by serenidad
many members of lgbtq/trans (including myself) who are fed up with this new “i can identify as anything” nonsense. i honestly don’t know how this is helping lgbtq get more respect.

That's the problem with all these movements, it's a small loud minority within a minority that hijacks the voice of the entire group. It's not actual representation. Same with BLM. Most African-Americans know the BLM and their whole narrative is full of shit but they still get to represent 'the black voice' cuz the average black man can't outshout Al Sharpton.

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Posted by serenidad

many members of lgbtq/trans (including myself) who are fed up with this new “i can identify as anything” nonsense. i honestly don’t know how this is helping lgbtq get more respect.

That's the problem with all these movements, it's a small loud minority within a minority that hijacks the voice of the entire group. It's not actual representation. Same with BLM. Most African-Americans know the BLM and their whole narrative is full of shit but they still get to represent 'the black voice' cuz the average black man can't outshout Al Sharpton.

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i actually dunno enough about al sharpton (first time hearing the name) to accurately comment on him. :/

but yeah i agree that it’s the small loud minority within the minority who takes over/hijacks the voice of the entire group. like, i honestly dunno how tf these people go on news shows looking confident af while fabricating shit out of thin air like, “there are 100 genders” or “biological sex is not real”.

The thing is they are encouraging kids about a choice even adults are conflicted on. I understand teaching them differences but what 5-10 year old cares about that? Why should kids be exposed to that? Thats unsettling and confusing to a child. I don't think ppl can compare religion to this and I'm not religious.



Although I don't mind it, I myself find it a little disturbing about someone changing their "gender". Thats just not natural to ME but again, I'm not THEM and what's natural to me might not be to them.



They should just let kids be kids. Why are we even introducing this to kids?

Posted by Rimzy
Separation of school, government and church is critical because it removes freedom of religion.


The issue with removing any education related to sex being taught at school, is complete ignorance and through ignorance breed’s misinformation and shame regarding sex. Our boomer parents are a product of that environment, they knew what sex was at a young age but they were ashamed of any bodily functions.


Example: are you their god, it’s me Margaret (book).


Now as times have changed and inclusion is becoming increasingly important, sexual orientation is now more common but it’s not necessarily because it’s more prevalent today…people have always had sexual orientations that differ since the dawn of time. It was just never allowed to be discussed due in large part to religion condemning anyone who didn’t fit the mould and that mould was necessary to increase birth rates= increasing Christians and Catholics, so more donations are made and a larger following is born.


So now in modern times, due to inclusion there are now defined terms of sexuality and through those terms is a level of base understanding of what they mean. It doesn’t mean an identity is being formed for a child, that identity in most children is already there from the age of 4 upwards. Many people who identify as any of the lgbtq are children when they first identify themselves, and many have always been afraid of voicing that due to our culture as a society.


Men have always been gay

Women have always been lesbians


For all we know, Jesus was a travelling gay man that was in a gang and did some weird shit in the desert and did some mushrooms 🍄 with his flock of men…tripping.


Our society bases its values on Christian beliefs and that very ignorance is in your OP.


Children are not being taught sexuality, they’re being included in allowing information about their own beliefs that haven’t been identified yet.

at 5— I can see teenagers being informed but I rather not have my child have that forced in his brain

Posted by Libra4rmTX
The thing is they are encouraging kids about a choice even adults are conflicted on. I understand teaching them differences but what 5-10 year old cares about that? Why should kids be exposed to that? Thats unsettling and confusing to a child. I don't think ppl can compare religion to this and I'm not religious.



Although I don't mind it, I myself find it a little disturbing about someone changing their "gender". Thats just not natural to ME but again, I'm not THEM and what's natural to me might not be to them.



They should just let kids be kids. Why are we even introducing this to kids?

the people who encourage it think children are fully capable of weighing out the pros and cons of everything, and thinking clearly about the long term consequences of their decisions.

even at 5-10...

by this logic, kids can join gangs, hitch hike with random strangers across the country, date an adult, do whatever they please if they “felt” like it. :/

here’s an interview of a trans woman admitting the transition was a mistake.

“they affirmed me into self-harm.”

“they didn’t protect me from myself”

“they didn’t tackle my childhood traumas.”

“sometimes the bitter truth is better than a sweet lie”



all heartbreaking to hear.

when she says “they”, she also means the doctors.

the shorter version:





the entire interview:

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Posted by Libra4rmTX
The thing is they are encouraging kids about a choice even adults are conflicted on. I understand teaching them differences but what 5-10 year old cares about that? Why should kids be exposed to that? Thats unsettling and confusing to a child. I don't think ppl can compare religion to this and I'm not religious.


Although I don't mind it, I myself find it a little disturbing about someone changing their "gender". Thats just not natural to ME but again, I'm not THEM and what's natural to me might not be to them.


They should just let kids be kids. Why are we even introducing this to kids?

the people who encourage it think children are fully capable of weighing out the pros and cons of everything, and thinking clearly about the long term consequences of their decisions.

even at 5-10...

by this logic, kids can join gangs, hitch hike with random strangers across the country, date an adult, do whatever they please if they “felt” like it. :/


here’s an interview of a trans woman admitting the transition was a mistake.


“they affirmed me into self-harm.”


“they didn’t protect me from myself”


“they didn’t tackle my childhood traumas.”


“sometimes the bitter truth is better than a sweet lie”



all heartbreaking to hear.

when she says “they”, she also means the doctors.


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This issue is so major because I fear what else they may encourage on kids. When you broke down the logic, thats exactly what I fear is the logic and the ppl they are using for this agenda are truly scorned.



If I'm to be real and honest, I feel like we are a step away from lowering the consensual sex age because I've already seen a pedo sympathing case. And I hate that they are using the LBGT communtiy as both a shield and a sword because I think they just wanna be heard but what you said about logic was so spot on that my response seems irrelvant. it just bothers me how kids are now the target for whatever is going on. Its sad. About to watch the vid now

Butcher community

I have no choice but to link Tucker since liberal left media wouldn't touch these facts with a 10 foot pole.

This LGBTQ bullshit has gone to far. It doesn't need to be taught in classes and I don't it being normalized to my kids. When it's something like this, I want to control the narrative for my children. Not some woke 20 year old classroom teacher with lime green hair telling my kids that same sex relationships are totally normal.

I don't want my kids thinking that it is normal, it simply is NOT. No matter how many woke clowns try to push it through media.

It's gotten so bad that it's even in Disney movies now. Can't even watch a family movie without gay shit being thrown in my face.

Also, there are only 2 genders.

I said what I said.

Posted by Prince_Pisces
Tucker Carlson 🤭

Yes. I assume you only get your news from the liberal left which means you only know 50% of the full truth.

Posted by _ixi_
"News"


Just read U.S. District Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil's opinion, leaning heavily on the arguments of Fox's lawyers: The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' "


She wrote: "Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statement he makes."


Vyskocil, an appointee of President Trump's, added, "Whether the Court frames Mr. Carlson's statements as 'exaggeration,' 'non-literal commentary,' or simply bloviating for his audience, the conclusion remains the same — the statements are not actionable."

You think the CBS, NBC, etc. are credible news outlets? You think they don't lie, omit, exaggerate or downplay shit? I am not saying that either the conservative or the liberal outlet are correct alone, I am saying that you have to watch both to get a fair representation of what's going on. If you don't agree with that, you are senseless fucking "our shit don't stink" -idealogue and not much more

And who the fuck is U.S. District Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil and why would her OPINIONS matter?

I don't get it. What's the trauma here?

> Bans gender-affirming care for minors

> Allows teachers to ignore preferred pronouns

> Bans trans students from using bathrooms tied to gender identity

Only in a senseless world is common sense considered extreme. This bill is one of the most sensible things I've seen in years out of US of A irregardless of ideology. It's going in the right direction. Note that the bill says "allows" teachers to ignore preferred pronouns, meaning they can choose not to ignore. So why is the bluehaired lady getting her boxers in a twist?

What a shitshow.

The guy is going so far as to say Kids will kill themselves without ever looking at himself and what he did contribute.

I mean yea, when they are giving them this mental mindset.You are not you, don't trust your body, don't trust your parents,you are someone else,your body is a failure, if you don't butcher your penis you aren't a functional human being and idk what else...They are forcing this mindset on the KIDS now. It won't end good.

I think those who are going this far need to be locked up.End of this sick story.

I don't know why we are tolerating all that while they are grooming our children.

That's not gay or lesbian no more just a sick cult.

Here we go again, ☝️this clown @x- stating the obvious and pretending he said something outrageousely smart and profound.

He is the self-proclaimed "educator" of his community 🙌 The narcissist inclinations and academia complex goes hand-in-hand with embodying the part.

Posted by BigTeddyBear2
This LGBTQ bullshit has gone to far. It doesn't need to be taught in classes and I don't it being normalized to my kids. When it's something like this, I want to control the narrative for my children. Not some woke 20 year old classroom teacher with lime green hair telling my kids that same sex relationships are totally normal.


I don't want my kids thinking that it is normal, it simply is NOT. No matter how many woke clowns try to push it through media.


It's gotten so bad that it's even in Disney movies now. Can't even watch a family movie without gay shit being thrown in my face.


Also, there are only 2 genders.


I said what I said.

the thing these lgbtq extremists fail to understand is, if they are entitled to their preferences, so are the rest of society.

the extremists want their feelings validated, their preferences accommodated by all, but they forget that other people have preferences too, just like them. :/

for example, nowadays, a straight man refusing to date a trans woman is seen as “discrimination”.

they literally get so angry over this.

that’s similar to a man throwing a tantrum because a lesbian woman refused to date him. a lesbian is a lesbian because she likes biological women.

similar thing with that dude who ranked #462 in men’s swimming but then suddenly claimed he felt like a woman after going through full-on male puberty and ranked #1 in women’s swimming. i mean, the guy was huge compared to the other girls.

people were outraged. and rightfully so. :/

(there is also a lot of evidence that his claims about feeling like a woman are pretty “questionable”)



anyhow, all i’m saying is,

these extremists gotta understand other people’s rights don’t end where their feelings begin.

when a group of people think their feelings outweigh everyone else’s, we got a problem.

Posted by Saphire01
I knew I was lgbt, my entire life. I can't speak for everyone. But there's a trauma you go through, when you have to figure out what you are, and being raised as someone else. Imagine if straight people were raised to be lgbt, and gaslit on the existence of straight people. Maybe you're partially unsettled because the brain has similar response to feminine men as seeing gore. But that does not mean that we're unsettling. We're just people.

i'm bisexual (been in a relationship with a guy for 8 yrs now, about to tie the knot later this year) so my discomfort isn't towards lgbtq...lol 😅

it's towards people encouraging kids to go through gender transition ed/treatments at their tender age when their brains, values, preferences, and critical/logical thinking skills aren't fully developed/solidified yet.

i was just merely suggesting that maybe there's no harm in waiting till they're at least in their mid-teens to broach the subject. :/

come to think of it, we don't have gendered pronouns where i'm from

if we get visited by extraterrestrials, we're gonna refer to them in the same collective we do ourselves

one less social cue to learn for me