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you just made me spit out my drink in public 😂

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I'm thankful for my Pisces moon that makes me not lazy to protect kids from any sexual topics, regardless the orientation, as long as possible.


For me personally, the most important thing is to set an example of how to be a tolerant, emotionally gentle adult without the help of religion books or any sort of ideology. Therefore they don't need to be taught that it's normal for men to love and marry each other. That it's wrong to justify violence in the name of religion.


Growing to be a tolerant person with healthy moral compass should come naturally for kids, and it's our responsible as adults to let them have the luxury. Obviously by not sacrificing their childhoods and innocence.



Don't be lazy, invest emotionally

you nailed it 🙏 🙏 👏

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@serenidad as a parent, I can see why you're questioning this. I am questioning it too.

I had this very same discussion with my MIL over the weekend. I, too, think its too early to discuss it with kids. I didn't even know what I wanted to do at 21. I heard from my MIL that a school in their town asked 4th graders to write an essay talking about whether as a girl or a boy, they feel like a boy, girl or something else. It didn't sit well with me. That's putting pressure on a child to decide how they feel about themselves at an age when they're just beginning to learn a whole bunch of other things.

Also the toilet thing, the sports thing ... Yup. I don't agree with it either. Why do we have to mix up everything? I don't get it. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable to go in a toilet with a man in there because how would I know that he isn't there for the wrong reasons? And its not going to stop crime by letting them use the toilet. However, it will be another place for another opportunity to feel unsafe.

“ I heard from my MIL that a school in their town asked 4th graders to write an essay talking about whether as a girl or a boy, they feel like a boy, girl or something else. It didn't sit well with me. That's putting pressure on a child to decide how they feel about themselves at an age when they're just beginning to learn a whole bunch of other things. ”


i agree, making 4th graders write an essay is a bit much :/

would it really hurt to wait until the kids are at least 12 -13 yrs old to start educating ? :/


yeah the toilet thing actually seems to be scaring a lot of women, including one of my best friends. she was voicing her concern about it to me just the other day :/

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Actually, the better thing to do is to actually educate the older generations. Like what another on here said... Do this in the workplace. Then we can educate our kids ourselves on the topic. But if you gotta ask my boy if he feels like a boy... I don't agree with that. Leave my child alone. That would really piss me off. And mind you, I'm not against lgbtq. I have relatives and friends. I wad the first one my cousin talked to when he was coming out as gay. He thought I noticed when we caught up and I didn't really ask him. To me, if he wants to talk about it, he will. It's not my place to ask. But a teacher asking kids if they feel they're a boy, girl or something else.... Phew. As an adult, I'd be conscious asking about that. You can't even ask that in a job interview. So why ask our kids?

I think it's pretty unfortunate tbh. I think kids should just be kids, and get to be innocent as long a possible. The idea of adults pushing any type of adult oriented views onto children is sick imo. I find any adult that wants to push any type if sexual, LGBT, or religious views onto kids as mentally unstable in many ways. I honestly believe they should be silenced in what ever way necessary, and children should get to live an innocent life free from fucked up, bias adult mindsets.

If you lead people to believe that sexuality is the only thing worth addressing in life, you get highly under evolved, low vibrational, easily controlled cattle.

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Do you believe that a parent has the right to choose for their child?

to what extent ?

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To all extents. But for the sake of the topic of hand I will rephrase.

Do you believe a parent has the right to choose their children's education and medical treatment?
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i’m gonna be honest, i don’t know. :/

i feel like parents should intervene when the child is in danger of some sort.
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Do you believe that you have the right to dictate the medical decisions and education choices that another parent makes on behalf of their child?
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no, i don’t have a right to tell other parents to wait until their kid is at least 19-20 or something to let him/her undergo transgender surgery but i wish they would wait until the kid is absolutely sure and knows the long term consequences well. :/

cuz there have been cases where kids have later regretted getting the treatments/surgery.

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The % of regret that trans adults have after getting gender affirming surgery is a fraction of the % of regret cis gender people who regret having gender affirming surgery. But your not trying to stop cis gendered people from getting breast implants (top surgery) so why play act at being concerned about trans surgery regret?

Stop pushing the false narrative that trans surgery is happening to kids. That's blatantly untrue. The care offered to trans children is counselling and hormone blockers. And on the rare occasion a child is getting surgery it is under the recommendation of their doctor and the approval of their parents. Where is this energy against 16 year old girls getting breast implants? That is gender affirming surgery and far more common place then 16 year old trans boys getting top surgery.

I am glad that you acknowledge that you don't have the right to make choices for children that are not your own. But by buying into the fearmongering on sm, great news source btw, you are doing exactly that.

The proposed and recently passed bills from the conservative right are to ban any mention lgbtq existence in the classroom and curriculum. Ban lgbtq school clubs, limit which sports teams transgender players can participate on. Enforce gender pronouns per the biological sex not the chosen gender of the child and as requested by the parent! But most alarmingly it criminalizes medical professionals who provide gender affirming care at the request of the parent which includes counseling, a child's choice to alter dress and presentation, and in rare cases the use of drugs to delay puberty or hormones during adolescence.

These laws are not meant to 'halt the pushing of LGBTQ on kids", there is no such thing. These laws are meant to eradicate and deny the existence of anyone who isn't cis and straight.

If you actually cared about the health and wellbeing of children we would be discussing the conservatives push to remove free school lunches when we have 9million starving children in this country. We would be talking about how more children have died from gunshot wounds at school than police officers in the line of duty in 2022.

We would be talking about how LGBTQ youth are not inherently prone to suicide risk because of gender identify or sexual orientation but because of how they are mistreated and stigmatized in society.

We would be talking about how the suicide rates for LGBTQ youth are 4xs that of their peers.

We would be talking about how transgender and nonbinary youth are 2 to 2.5xs as likely to commit suicide compared to their cisgendered LGBQ peers.

Now if you don't gaf about transyouth, you think they are make believe and a passing fad, that is great for you. Nobody is forcing you or your child to consume LGBTQ 'agenda'. As a parent you have the right to opt out of sex ed or any part of the curriculum you do not agree with.

But deciding that you want to push your beliefs on others and support the removal of rights that directly influence a Childs will to live? That's where you loose me in this discussion. Inflicting your will on others by removing their rights to medical care and the right to exist is pure evil.

Trust me on this one, with the number of your husbands on Grinder, the gays don't need to be recruiting future members in schools lol

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Do you believe that a parent has the right to choose for their child?

to what extent ?

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To all extents. But for the sake of the topic of hand I will rephrase.

Do you believe a parent has the right to choose their children's education and medical treatment?
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i’m gonna be honest, i don’t know. :/

i feel like parents should intervene when the child is in danger of some sort.
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Do you believe that you have the right to dictate the medical decisions and education choices that another parent makes on behalf of their child?
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no, i don’t have a right to tell other parents to wait until their kid is at least 19-20 or something to let him/her undergo transgender surgery but i wish they would wait until the kid is absolutely sure and knows the long term consequences well. :/

cuz there have been cases where kids have later regretted getting the treatments/surgery.
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The % of regret that trans adults have after getting gender affirming surgery is a fraction of the % of regret cis gender people who regret having gender affirming surgery. But your not trying to stop cis gendered people from getting breast implants (top surgery) so why play act at being concerned about trans surgery regret?

Stop pushing the false narrative that trans surgery is happening to kids. That's blatantly untrue. The care offered to trans children is counselling and hormone blockers. And on the rare occasion a child is getting surgery it is under the recommendation of their doctor and the approval of their parents. Where is this energy against 16 year old girls getting breast implants? That is gender affirming surgery and far more common place then 16 year old trans boys getting top surgery.

I am glad that you acknowledge that you don't have the right to make choices for children that are not your own. But by buying into the fearmongering on sm, great news source btw, you are doing exactly that.

The proposed and recently passed bills from the conservative right are to ban any mention lgbtq existence in the classroom and curriculum. Ban lgbtq school clubs, limit which sports teams transgender players can participate on. Enforce gender pronouns per the biological sex not the chosen gender of the child and as requested by the parent! But most alarmingly it criminalizes medical professionals who provide gender affirming care at the request of the parent which includes counseling, a child's choice to alter dress and presentation, and in rare cases the use of drugs to delay puberty or hormones during adolescence.

These laws are not meant to 'halt the pushing of LGBTQ on kids", there is no such thing. These laws are meant to eradicate and deny the existence of anyone who isn't cis and straight.

If you actually cared about the health and wellbeing of children we would be discussing the conservatives push to remove free school lunches when we have 9million starving children in this country. We would be talking about how more children have died from gunshot wounds at school than police officers in the line of duty in 2022.

We would be talking about how LGBTQ youth are not inherently prone to suicide risk because of gender identify or sexual orientation but because of how they are mistreated and stigmatized in society.

We would be talking about how the suicide rates for LGBTQ youth are 4xs that of their peers.

We would be talking about how transgender and nonbinary youth are 2 to 2.5xs as likely to commit suicide compared to their cisgendered LGBQ peers.

Now if you don't gaf about transyouth, you think they are make believe and a passing fad, that is great for you. Nobody is forcing you or your child to consume LGBTQ 'agenda'. As a parent you have the right to opt out of sex ed or any part of the curriculum you do not agree with.

But deciding that you want to push your beliefs on others and support the removal of rights that directly influence a Childs will to live? That's where you loose me in this discussion. Inflicting your will on others by removing their rights to medical care and the right to exist is pure evil.

Trust me on this one, with the number of your husbands on Grinder, the gays don't need to be recruiting future members in schools lol
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Define irony. This statement "But deciding that you want to push your beliefs on others" following an entire post about the need to require "education" regarding a topic parents want to have the choice to say they don't want taught to their children. You say it's needed. Some say they want to keep it away from their kids. It works both ways.

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Parents ALREADY have the choice to dictate what they want or do not want taught to their children.

The problem is when you decide that you don't like gay and trans people so you are going to erase their identity remove the choice of parents of trans children to have access to medical care.

So stop pushing your beliefs on others, yes THAT.

My cousin was born gay I can say it bacause at the age of 3 he liked pink , cooking, wearing heels and it never changed. He was suicidal because he thought he had to hide it from family even though we all saw it. Eventually he came out and was accepted.

A tomboy girls dressed tomboy and identified as male until she didn’t.

Now she’s grown up wears dresses has a boyfriend very much feminine. See brad pits daughter.

Kids don’t need to be taught anything in elementary jr high. in high school maybe is the time to have these discussion but any time soon not good.

There was a fourth grader whose teacher pushed vegan. She developed an eating disorder would not eat and had to be hospitalized

Children are impressionable

I don’t think gender and sexual orientation ever warranted a discussion as if it’s something to be discussed. You are what you are and people just need to accept it. Because society has ostracized the “unusual” or “different” people for centuries, we now must have these discussion to normalize what we, as society, rendered “abnormal” in the past. It’s rectification but I think it needs to be done moderately. There’s a fine balance but too much of anything is obnoxious.

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Do you believe that a parent has the right to choose for their child?

to what extent ?

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To all extents. But for the sake of the topic of hand I will rephrase.

Do you believe a parent has the right to choose their children's education and medical treatment?
click to expand

i’m gonna be honest, i don’t know. :/

i feel like parents should intervene when the child is in danger of some sort.
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Do you believe that you have the right to dictate the medical decisions and education choices that another parent makes on behalf of their child?
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no, i don’t have a right to tell other parents to wait until their kid is at least 19-20 or something to let him/her undergo transgender surgery but i wish they would wait until the kid is absolutely sure and knows the long term consequences well. :/

cuz there have been cases where kids have later regretted getting the treatments/surgery.
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The % of regret that trans adults have after getting gender affirming surgery is a fraction of the % of regret cis gender people who regret having gender affirming surgery. But your not trying to stop cis gendered people from getting breast implants (top surgery) so why play act at being concerned about trans surgery regret?

Stop pushing the false narrative that trans surgery is happening to kids. That's blatantly untrue. The care offered to trans children is counselling and hormone blockers. And on the rare occasion a child is getting surgery it is under the recommendation of their doctor and the approval of their parents. Where is this energy against 16 year old girls getting breast implants? That is gender affirming surgery and far more common place then 16 year old trans boys getting top surgery.

I am glad that you acknowledge that you don't have the right to make choices for children that are not your own. But by buying into the fearmongering on sm, great news source btw, you are doing exactly that.

The proposed and recently passed bills from the conservative right are to ban any mention lgbtq existence in the classroom and curriculum. Ban lgbtq school clubs, limit which sports teams transgender players can participate on. Enforce gender pronouns per the biological sex not the chosen gender of the child and as requested by the parent! But most alarmingly it criminalizes medical professionals who provide gender affirming care at the request of the parent which includes counseling, a child's choice to alter dress and presentation, and in rare cases the use of drugs to delay puberty or hormones during adolescence.

These laws are not meant to 'halt the pushing of LGBTQ on kids", there is no such thing. These laws are meant to eradicate and deny the existence of anyone who isn't cis and straight.

If you actually cared about the health and wellbeing of children we would be discussing the conservatives push to remove free school lunches when we have 9million starving children in this country. We would be talking about how more children have died from gunshot wounds at school than police officers in the line of duty in 2022.

We would be talking about how LGBTQ youth are not inherently prone to suicide risk because of gender identify or sexual orientation but because of how they are mistreated and stigmatized in society.

We would be talking about how the suicide rates for LGBTQ youth are 4xs that of their peers.

We would be talking about how transgender and nonbinary youth are 2 to 2.5xs as likely to commit suicide compared to their cisgendered LGBQ peers.

Now if you don't gaf about transyouth, you think they are make believe and a passing fad, that is great for you. Nobody is forcing you or your child to consume LGBTQ 'agenda'. As a parent you have the right to opt out of sex ed or any part of the curriculum you do not agree with.

But deciding that you want to push your beliefs on others and support the removal of rights that directly influence a Childs will to live? That's where you loose me in this discussion. Inflicting your will on others by removing their rights to medical care and the right to exist is pure evil.

Trust me on this one, with the number of your husbands on Grinder, the gays don't need to be recruiting future members in schools lol
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Define irony. This statement "But deciding that you want to push your beliefs on others" following an entire post about the need to require "education" regarding a topic parents want to have the choice to say they don't want taught to their children. You say it's needed. Some say they want to keep it away from their kids. It works both ways.
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Parents ALREADY have the choice to dictate what they want or do not want taught to their children.

The problem is when you decide that you don't like gay and trans people so you are going to remove the choice of parents of trans children to have access to medical care.

So stop pushing your beliefs on others, yes THAT.
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Your argument isn't bad, the problem is that there's a difference between counseling and hormone therapy. Younger kids will get so worked up that they think they NEED x y or z or they're going to diiiieeeee, because it's an age where emotional regulation and understanding are being learned.


I think one of the main things that's not being addressed is the root of it all. How does one feel male or female if you take sexual organs and societal stereotypes away? We're over complicating things. Focus there not on inventing new genders and acronyms.

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Its not up to you to push what you believe on someone else's child, that is the whole point. It is a choice between the parent and the medical professional. Taking hormone blockers because the child is suicidal as their body develops through puberty, this is something that can be reversed. It is not permanent.

Where is this energy when male infants get circumcised? A choice a parent makes on behalf of their child without the childs consent and a choice that is irreversible. Perhaps that child wanted to be intact? But its seen as 'normalize' therefore accepted in society. This is the only difference. And of course the glaring lack of consent from the individual having the circumcision.

BTW there is no 'invention' of new genders. Also a falsehood. And the acronyms and labels are created by cis gendered people to categorize the 'other'.

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Question. Are you equally unsettled by the indoctrination of children into religion?

yes, deeply unsettled. i feel like religion was created to make huge crowds of people more controllable….also making money from hefty donations….or maybe it was created so people could get through hard times or make sense of incomprehensible tragic life events…

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Yes I believe religion is for setting order for life and creating a fair life in general.. it is definitely what made me able to face tragic events and hard times, I think without it I'd have been lost and confused

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Do you believe that a parent has the right to choose for their child?

to what extent ?

click to expand

To all extents. But for the sake of the topic of hand I will rephrase.

Do you believe a parent has the right to choose their children's education and medical treatment?
click to expand

i’m gonna be honest, i don’t know. :/

i feel like parents should intervene when the child is in danger of some sort.
click to expand

Do you believe that you have the right to dictate the medical decisions and education choices that another parent makes on behalf of their child?
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no, i don’t have a right to tell other parents to wait until their kid is at least 19-20 or something to let him/her undergo transgender surgery but i wish they would wait until the kid is absolutely sure and knows the long term consequences well. :/

cuz there have been cases where kids have later regretted getting the treatments/surgery.
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The % of regret that trans adults have after getting gender affirming surgery is a fraction of the % of regret cis gender people who regret having gender affirming surgery. But your not trying to stop cis gendered people from getting breast implants (top surgery) so why play act at being concerned about trans surgery regret?


Stop pushing the false narrative that trans surgery is happening to kids. That's blatantly untrue. The care offered to trans children is counselling and hormone blockers. And on the rare occasion a child is getting surgery it is under the recommendation of their doctor and the approval of their parents. Where is this energy against 16 year old girls getting breast implants? That is gender affirming surgery and far more common place then 16 year old trans boys getting top surgery.


I am glad that you acknowledge that you don't have the right to make choices for children that are not your own. But by buying into the fearmongering on sm, great news source btw, you are doing exactly that.


The proposed and recently passed bills from the conservative right are to ban any mention lgbtq existence in the classroom and curriculum. Ban lgbtq school clubs, limit which sports teams transgender players can participate on. Enforce gender pronouns per the biological sex not the chosen gender of the child and as requested by the parent! But most alarmingly it criminalizes medical professionals who provide gender affirming care at the request of the parent which includes counseling, a child's choice to alter dress and presentation, and in rare cases the use of drugs to delay puberty or hormones during adolescence.


These laws are not meant to 'halt the pushing of LGBTQ on kids", there is no such thing. These laws are meant to eradicate and deny the existence of anyone who isn't cis and straight.


If you actually cared about the health and wellbeing of children we would be discussing the conservatives push to remove free school lunches when we have 9million starving children in this country. We would be talking about how more children have died from gunshot wounds at school than police officers in the line of duty in 2022.


We would be talking about how LGBTQ youth are not inherently prone to suicide risk because of gender identify or sexual orientation but because of how they are mistreated and stigmatized in society.

We would be talking about how the suicide rates for LGBTQ youth are 4xs that of their peers.

We would be talking about how transgender and nonbinary youth are 2 to 2.5xs as likely to commit suicide compared to their cisgendered LGBQ peers.


Now if you don't gaf about transyouth, you think they are make believe and a passing fad, that is great for you. Nobody is forcing you or your child to consume LGBTQ 'agenda'. As a parent you have the right to opt out of sex ed or any part of the curriculum you do not agree with.


But deciding that you want to push your beliefs on others and support the removal of rights that directly influence a Childs will to live? That's where you loose me in this discussion. Inflicting your will on others by removing their rights to medical care and the right to exist is pure evil.


Trust me on this one, with the number of your husbands on Grinder, the gays don't need to be recruiting future members in schools lol

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sorry, when i said surgery, i also meant treatments as well. it seems like in most cases, the actual surgery happens when these ppl are around 20 according to several examples i’ve seen (i think 20 is way too young too though. no one really knows wtf they’re doing at 20…still in the process of searching…figuring stuff out…their character/their preferences/the direction they wanna take in life, nothing is solidified yet at 20…) but yeah the treatments, even though it’s reversible, i don’t think it’s something kids should be preoccupied with at their age. as you have mentioned, there are much more serious issues going on that don’t receive the same amount of attention as the trans issue. they’re not being tackled and approached with the same intensity and urgency as the lgbtq/trans issue.

i mentioned somewhere in this thread but bullying being one example. equipping kids with crucial life skills being another.

what i’m trying to say is there are things that require greater attention BEFORE the trans issue should ever enter the picture. we can agree to disagree on this one. :/

“The proposed and recently passed bills from the conservative right are to ban any mention lgbtq existence in the classroom and curriculum. Ban lgbtq school clubs, limit which sports teams transgender players can participate on. Enforce gender pronouns per the biological sex not the chosen gender of the child and as requested by the parent! But most alarmingly it criminalizes medical professionals who provide gender affirming care at the request of the parent which includes counseling, a child's choice to alter dress and presentation, and in rare cases the use of drugs to delay puberty or hormones during adolescence. “

you’re right. to ban any mention of lgbtq is going a bit too far. as findingbalance said, extremes are dangerous. we shouldn’t deny the existence of trans and lgbtq as that could lead to more suicide cases and hate crimes.

the goal is to make everyone feel seen and safe. we don’t wanna make anyone feel like they have no where to turn to. 😢

so, i’m not against lgbtq/trans education. but i’m saying that they’re doing it too early.

you’re a very kind person for caring about lgbtq. i wanna make that clear.

but here’s the thing;

if adults are confused, i can only imagine how confused a kid would be. the two adults being interviewed in this video went from

female——>male——>female once again

in adulthood. (sorry, it’s in japanese cuz i live in japan) the first person said she felt uncomfortable being treated as a girl at first so she decided to have the surgery to turn male at 20, only to develop a sudden interest in cross dressing (dressing like a woman and passing herself off as a woman), she said she became jaded about being treated like a man and wanted to try something “different” :/ once she got more skilled with cross dressing and people actually started believing she’s a female, she felt happy and her life felt exciting again. :/

so in her 30s, she went and had another surgery to turn back into female. :/ she no longer feels uncomfortable being treated as female (the gender she was born with in the first place).

the second woman had the surgery at 22 to turn into a man, but once she started balding (due to male hormone treatment) , she suddenly decided she wanted to be a woman again :/ she said she wasn’t expecting to go bald with the treatments and being a man wasn’t all it cracked up to be after all.

the balding happened while she was still in her 20s.

i’ll leave you to decide what to make of it. i’m aware that it isn’t my place to tell anyone they can’t change their genders whenever they feel like it but i’m saying if adults are this confused, what makes you think children aren’t/won’t be?

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Oh, new studies show the effects of puberty blocking ARE NOT reversible. Sweden stopped prescribing them altogether. Many European countries are following suit and reversing their decisions.


I mean its basic common sense amd doesn't require much critical thinking to figure out the lack of hormones during development is going to cause issues in muscle and bone development at a minimal, along with psychological issues. Besides, there are so many hormones in the human body that dont play a direct role, you cannot stop development- you just retard it. Seems pretty fucking stupid to even think estrogen and testosterone only play a role in sexual development. For people who are so anti-religion and pro-science, the sure pay fuck-all attention to science.



Also, there are 2 sexes, male and female. Those 2 sexes form the foundation of genders on a spectrum from masculine (defined as being associated with men or boys) to feminine (defined as being associated with women or girls. Just like color is a spectrum of light and darkness. Yes, thay rainbow flag is made up of many colors. All those colors are a reflection of light. The ratio of light to darkness is what creates the differet wavelengths of light, of which the cone cells of the retina signals the brain as what we as a people have universally agreed upon and given names to as individual colors. But it's still just a comparative of light. Just like every gender anyone wants to dream up will always be a comparative between masculine (man) & feminine (female).


How about instead of trying to gaslight society with science that doesn't hold water, how about we focus more on teaching people acceptance? If society rewarded, gave parades for, honored people, made heroes of, those who were accepting of people, we wouldn't need to go against science and common sense. A fe.inine gay man who dresses in traditionally female clothes can still be accepted, even if they're only just a man dressed in women's clothing on a date with theor boyfriend. Focus on acceptance and not fake science pushing an agenda, and you'll get less pushback

thank you for breaking it down from a medical point of view. i appreciate the knowledge cuz i’m not well-informed about these things. you’re right that the hormone treatment shouldn’t be treated lightly either for the effect it could have on the body (especially children’s bodies) :/

There are 2 sexes lmao

Intersex people make up 1-2% of all people in the United states.

I get that for some very insecure individuals in order to feel confident in their own identity they need everyone around them to validate that identity by agreeing and conforming to their belief system.

Intersex people exist. Get over yourselves.

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@serenidad as a parent, I can see why you're questioning this. I am questioning it too.

I had this very same discussion with my MIL over the weekend. I, too, think its too early to discuss it with kids. I didn't even know what I wanted to do at 21. I heard from my MIL that a school in their town asked 4th graders to write an essay talking about whether as a girl or a boy, they feel like a boy, girl or something else. It didn't sit well with me. That's putting pressure on a child to decide how they feel about themselves at an age when they're just beginning to learn a whole bunch of other things.

Also the toilet thing, the sports thing ... Yup. I don't agree with it either. Why do we have to mix up everything? I don't get it. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable to go in a toilet with a man in there because how would I know that he isn't there for the wrong reasons? And its not going to stop crime by letting them use the toilet. However, it will be another place for another opportunity to feel unsafe.

“ I heard from my MIL that a school in their town asked 4th graders to write an essay talking about whether as a girl or a boy, they feel like a boy, girl or something else. It didn't sit well with me. That's putting pressure on a child to decide how they feel about themselves at an age when they're just beginning to learn a whole bunch of other things. ”

i agree, making 4th graders write an essay is a bit much :/

would it really hurt to wait until the kids are at least 12 -13 yrs old to start educating ? :/

yeah the toilet thing actually seems to be scaring a lot of women, including one of my best friends. she was voicing her concern about it to me just the other day :/

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Actually, the better thing to do is to actually educate the older generations. Like what another on here said... Do this in the workplace. Then we can educate our kids ourselves on the topic. But if you gotta ask my boy if he feels like a boy... I don't agree with that. Leave my child alone. That would really piss me off. And mind you, I'm not against lgbtq. I have relatives and friends. I wad the first one my cousin talked to when he was coming out as gay. He thought I noticed when we caught up and I didn't really ask him. To me, if he wants to talk about it, he will. It's not my place to ask. But a teacher asking kids if they feel they're a boy, girl or something else.... Phew. As an adult, I'd be conscious asking about that. You can't even ask that in a job interview. So why ask our kids?

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your concerns as a parent are valid too…

i guess parents just need to take matters into their own hands at the end of the day and just educate their kids on their own.

Posted by serenidad
sorry, when i said surgery, i also meant treatments as well. it seems like in most cases, the actual surgery happens when these ppl are around 20 according to several examples i’ve seen (i think 20 is way too young too though. no one really knows wtf they’re doing at 20…still in the process of searching…figuring stuff out…their character/their preferences/the direction they wanna take in life, nothing is solidified yet at 20…) but yeah the treatments, even though it’s reversible, i don’t think it’s something kids should be preoccupied with at their age. as you have mentioned, there are much more serious issues going on that don’t receive the same amount of attention as the trans issue. they’re not being tackled and approached with the same intensity and urgency as the lgbtq/trans issue.


i mentioned somewhere in this thread but bullying being one example. equipping kids with crucial life skills being another.

what i’m trying to say is there are things that require greater attention BEFORE the trans issue should ever enter the picture. we can agree to disagree on this one. :/


“The proposed and recently passed bills from the conservative right are to ban any mention lgbtq existence in the classroom and curriculum. Ban lgbtq school clubs, limit which sports teams transgender players can participate on. Enforce gender pronouns per the biological sex not the chosen gender of the child and as requested by the parent! But most alarmingly it criminalizes medical professionals who provide gender affirming care at the request of the parent which includes counseling, a child's choice to alter dress and presentation, and in rare cases the use of drugs to delay puberty or hormones during adolescence. “


you’re right. to ban any mention of lgbtq is going a bit too far. as findingbalance said, extremes are dangerous. we shouldn’t deny the existence of trans and lgbtq as that could lead to more suicide cases and hate crimes.


the goal is to make everyone feel seen and safe. we don’t wanna make anyone feel like they have no where to turn to.


so, i’m not against lgbtq/trans education. but i’m saying that they’re doing it too early.


you’re a very kind person for caring about lgbtq. i wanna make that clear.


but here’s the thing;


if adults are confused, i can only imagine how confused a kid would be. the two adults being interviewed in this video went from

female——>male——>female once again

in adulthood. (sorry, it’s in japanese cuz i live in japan) the first person said she felt uncomfortable being treated as a girl at first so she decided to have the surgery to turn male at 20, only to develop a sudden interest in cross dressing (dressing like a woman and passing herself off as a woman), she said she became jaded about being treated like a man and wanted to try something “different” :/ once she got more skilled with cross dressing and people actually started believing she’s a female, she felt happy and her life felt exciting again. :/

so in her 30s, she went and had another surgery to turn back into female. :/ she no longer feels uncomfortable being treated as female (the gender she was born with in the first place).


the second woman had the surgery at 22 to turn into a man, but once she started balding (due to male hormone treatment) , she suddenly decided she wanted to be a woman again :/ she said she wasn’t expecting to go bald with the treatments and being a man wasn’t all it cracked up to be after all.

the balding happened while she was still in her 20s.


i’ll leave you to decide what to make of it. i’m aware that it isn’t my place to tell anyone they can’t change their genders whenever they feel like it but i’m saying if adults are this confused, what makes you think children aren’t/won’t be?

By this logic 20 yrs olds should not be allowed to choose a major.

They shouldn't be allowed to choose a career.

Or a romantic partner.

Or have a child

Or buy a house.

After all, according to you no one knows wtf they are doing at 20, nothing is solidified.

The only people approaching the "trans issue" with the urgency you describe are the same people who seek to control and diminish trans and gay rights and existence. Trans people don't care about trans people as much as these crazy conservatives demanding to inspect childrens genitals before letting them into a restroom.

Children are being bullied for being gay and trans. Not just by their peers, that stuff you can overcome, but by literal legislation taking away their fundamental rights.

I don't care if parents want to control what their children are exposed to. That is their right. I care if you try to inflict your will and morals on other parents and how they choose to raise and support their children.

Posted by LadyNeptune
There are 2 sexes lmao

Intersex people make up 1-2% of all people in the United states.

I get that for some very insecure individuals in order to feel confident in their own identity they need everyone around them to validate that identity by agreeing and conforming to their belief system.


Intersex people exist. Get over yourselves.

😂 Are you talking about yourself? Haha. Just saying, you're actually the one getting aggressive trying to force your belief system on everyone here. All we're saying is we actually don't agree that it should be forced on our kids through the school system. Also, the mention of parents being able to opt out. Yup. Sure. But now it's everywhere. I don't remember seeing a movie on Netflix anymore where there isn't a gay or lesbian in the cast acting out being gay or lesbian. Isn't that forcing the idea on everyone? Not saying I'm not accepting of it, but as pointed out by others, too much of it is obnoxious. And again, let our kids be kids and stop messing with their heads just because some people think they're doing an amazing job pushing their belief system on everyone. And if someone speaks out, automatically labelled as "homophobic", "insecure" or whatever terms are used now. Why is your opinion right and ours is wrong? Why should we get over ourselves but not you? What made you better than us in this regard?

Sorry. But we're also not in the wrong here. It's also our right to reject what we don't think is best for our kids. And we shouldn't be shamed for not agreeing.

And btw the parents who don't support their childrens gender identity and sexual orientation? Well we gotta keep those nursing homes in buisness don't we.

Posted by LadyNeptune

Posted by serenidad
sorry, when i said surgery, i also meant treatments as well. it seems like in most cases, the actual surgery happens when these ppl are around 20 according to several examples i’ve seen (i think 20 is way too young too though. no one really knows wtf they’re doing at 20…still in the process of searching…figuring stuff out…their character/their preferences/the direction they wanna take in life, nothing is solidified yet at 20…) but yeah the treatments, even though it’s reversible, i don’t think it’s something kids should be preoccupied with at their age. as you have mentioned, there are much more serious issues going on that don’t receive the same amount of attention as the trans issue. they’re not being tackled and approached with the same intensity and urgency as the lgbtq/trans issue.

i mentioned somewhere in this thread but bullying being one example. equipping kids with crucial life skills being another.

what i’m trying to say is there are things that require greater attention BEFORE the trans issue should ever enter the picture. we can agree to disagree on this one. :/

“The proposed and recently passed bills from the conservative right are to ban any mention lgbtq existence in the classroom and curriculum. Ban lgbtq school clubs, limit which sports teams transgender players can participate on. Enforce gender pronouns per the biological sex not the chosen gender of the child and as requested by the parent! But most alarmingly it criminalizes medical professionals who provide gender affirming care at the request of the parent which includes counseling, a child's choice to alter dress and presentation, and in rare cases the use of drugs to delay puberty or hormones during adolescence. “

you’re right. to ban any mention of lgbtq is going a bit too far. as findingbalance said, extremes are dangerous. we shouldn’t deny the existence of trans and lgbtq as that could lead to more suicide cases and hate crimes.

the goal is to make everyone feel seen and safe. we don’t wanna make anyone feel like they have no where to turn to.

so, i’m not against lgbtq/trans education. but i’m saying that they’re doing it too early.

you’re a very kind person for caring about lgbtq. i wanna make that clear.

but here’s the thing;

if adults are confused, i can only imagine how confused a kid would be. the two adults being interviewed in this video went from

female——>male——>female once again

in adulthood. (sorry, it’s in japanese cuz i live in japan) the first person said she felt uncomfortable being treated as a girl at first so she decided to have the surgery to turn male at 20, only to develop a sudden interest in cross dressing (dressing like a woman and passing herself off as a woman), she said she became jaded about being treated like a man and wanted to try something “different” :/ once she got more skilled with cross dressing and people actually started believing she’s a female, she felt happy and her life felt exciting again. :/

so in her 30s, she went and had another surgery to turn back into female. :/ she no longer feels uncomfortable being treated as female (the gender she was born with in the first place).

the second woman had the surgery at 22 to turn into a man, but once she started balding (due to male hormone treatment) , she suddenly decided she wanted to be a woman again :/ she said she wasn’t expecting to go bald with the treatments and being a man wasn’t all it cracked up to be after all.

the balding happened while she was still in her 20s.

i’ll leave you to decide what to make of it. i’m aware that it isn’t my place to tell anyone they can’t change their genders whenever they feel like it but i’m saying if adults are this confused, what makes you think children aren’t/won’t be?

By this logic 20 yrs olds should not be allowed to choose a major.

They shouldn't be allowed to choose a career.

Or a romantic partner.

Or have a child

Or buy a house.

After all, according to you no one knows wtf they are doing at 20, nothing is solidified.


The only people approaching the "trans issue" with the urgency you describe are the same people who seek to control and diminish trans and gay rights and existence. Trans people don't care about trans people as much as these crazy conservatives demanding to inspect childrens genitals before letting them into a restroom.


Children are being bullied for being gay and trans. Not just by their peers, that stuff you can overcome, but by literal legislation taking away their fundamental rights.


I don't care if parents want to control what their children are exposed to. That is their right. I care if you try to inflict your will and morals on other parents and how they choose to raise and support their children.

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lol

i don’t know if we’re gonna come to an agreement on this one.

kindergarten/elementary school is way too young to start having this type of conversation. i gotta stick to this stance, i’m sorry. lol



what did you think of the two cases in the video ? just curious.

Posted by serenidad

Posted by LadyNeptune

Posted by serenidad
sorry, when i said surgery, i also meant treatments as well. it seems like in most cases, the actual surgery happens when these ppl are around 20 according to several examples i’ve seen (i think 20 is way too young too though. no one really knows wtf they’re doing at 20…still in the process of searching…figuring stuff out…their character/their preferences/the direction they wanna take in life, nothing is solidified yet at 20…) but yeah the treatments, even though it’s reversible, i don’t think it’s something kids should be preoccupied with at their age. as you have mentioned, there are much more serious issues going on that don’t receive the same amount of attention as the trans issue. they’re not being tackled and approached with the same intensity and urgency as the lgbtq/trans issue.

i mentioned somewhere in this thread but bullying being one example. equipping kids with crucial life skills being another.

what i’m trying to say is there are things that require greater attention BEFORE the trans issue should ever enter the picture. we can agree to disagree on this one. :/

“The proposed and recently passed bills from the conservative right are to ban any mention lgbtq existence in the classroom and curriculum. Ban lgbtq school clubs, limit which sports teams transgender players can participate on. Enforce gender pronouns per the biological sex not the chosen gender of the child and as requested by the parent! But most alarmingly it criminalizes medical professionals who provide gender affirming care at the request of the parent which includes counseling, a child's choice to alter dress and presentation, and in rare cases the use of drugs to delay puberty or hormones during adolescence. “

you’re right. to ban any mention of lgbtq is going a bit too far. as findingbalance said, extremes are dangerous. we shouldn’t deny the existence of trans and lgbtq as that could lead to more suicide cases and hate crimes.

the goal is to make everyone feel seen and safe. we don’t wanna make anyone feel like they have no where to turn to.

so, i’m not against lgbtq/trans education. but i’m saying that they’re doing it too early.

you’re a very kind person for caring about lgbtq. i wanna make that clear.

but here’s the thing;

if adults are confused, i can only imagine how confused a kid would be. the two adults being interviewed in this video went from

female——>male——>female once again

in adulthood. (sorry, it’s in japanese cuz i live in japan) the first person said she felt uncomfortable being treated as a girl at first so she decided to have the surgery to turn male at 20, only to develop a sudden interest in cross dressing (dressing like a woman and passing herself off as a woman), she said she became jaded about being treated like a man and wanted to try something “different” :/ once she got more skilled with cross dressing and people actually started believing she’s a female, she felt happy and her life felt exciting again. :/

so in her 30s, she went and had another surgery to turn back into female. :/ she no longer feels uncomfortable being treated as female (the gender she was born with in the first place).

the second woman had the surgery at 22 to turn into a man, but once she started balding (due to male hormone treatment) , she suddenly decided she wanted to be a woman again :/ she said she wasn’t expecting to go bald with the treatments and being a man wasn’t all it cracked up to be after all.

the balding happened while she was still in her 20s.

i’ll leave you to decide what to make of it. i’m aware that it isn’t my place to tell anyone they can’t change their genders whenever they feel like it but i’m saying if adults are this confused, what makes you think children aren’t/won’t be?

By this logic 20 yrs olds should not be allowed to choose a major.

They shouldn't be allowed to choose a career.

Or a romantic partner.

Or have a child

Or buy a house.

After all, according to you no one knows wtf they are doing at 20, nothing is solidified.

The only people approaching the "trans issue" with the urgency you describe are the same people who seek to control and diminish trans and gay rights and existence. Trans people don't care about trans people as much as these crazy conservatives demanding to inspect childrens genitals before letting them into a restroom.

Children are being bullied for being gay and trans. Not just by their peers, that stuff you can overcome, but by literal legislation taking away their fundamental rights.

I don't care if parents want to control what their children are exposed to. That is their right. I care if you try to inflict your will and morals on other parents and how they choose to raise and support their children.
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lol

i don’t know if we’re gonna come to an agreement on this one.

kindergarten/elementary school is way too young to start having this type of conversation. i gotta stick to this stance, i’m sorry. lol





what did you think of the two cases in the video ? just curious.

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What kind of conversation do you think is occuring in kindergaten/elementary school. Lay it out for me.

I think plenty of adults regret their choices. What you choose to do with that information and how you let that effect your own choices is none of my buisness.

We can find youtube videos of people taking about their regrets for literally everything. For example taking Propecia (hair loss reduction pill) has a small % chance to cause impotence and lowered sex drive. There are youtube videos of men urging other men to avoid this drug. And yet it is still wildly popular. Should those effected blame the societal pressure to avoid baldness? They can. But ultimately you are responsible for your own choices and should be allowed to make those choices.

Posted by LadyNeptune

Posted by serenidad
sorry, when i said surgery, i also meant treatments as well. it seems like in most cases, the actual surgery happens when these ppl are around 20 according to several examples i’ve seen (i think 20 is way too young too though. no one really knows wtf they’re doing at 20…still in the process of searching…figuring stuff out…their character/their preferences/the direction they wanna take in life, nothing is solidified yet at 20…) but yeah the treatments, even though it’s reversible, i don’t think it’s something kids should be preoccupied with at their age. as you have mentioned, there are much more serious issues going on that don’t receive the same amount of attention as the trans issue. they’re not being tackled and approached with the same intensity and urgency as the lgbtq/trans issue.

i mentioned somewhere in this thread but bullying being one example. equipping kids with crucial life skills being another.

what i’m trying to say is there are things that require greater attention BEFORE the trans issue should ever enter the picture. we can agree to disagree on this one. :/

“The proposed and recently passed bills from the conservative right are to ban any mention lgbtq existence in the classroom and curriculum. Ban lgbtq school clubs, limit which sports teams transgender players can participate on. Enforce gender pronouns per the biological sex not the chosen gender of the child and as requested by the parent! But most alarmingly it criminalizes medical professionals who provide gender affirming care at the request of the parent which includes counseling, a child's choice to alter dress and presentation, and in rare cases the use of drugs to delay puberty or hormones during adolescence. “

you’re right. to ban any mention of lgbtq is going a bit too far. as findingbalance said, extremes are dangerous. we shouldn’t deny the existence of trans and lgbtq as that could lead to more suicide cases and hate crimes.

the goal is to make everyone feel seen and safe. we don’t wanna make anyone feel like they have no where to turn to.

so, i’m not against lgbtq/trans education. but i’m saying that they’re doing it too early.

you’re a very kind person for caring about lgbtq. i wanna make that clear.

but here’s the thing;

if adults are confused, i can only imagine how confused a kid would be. the two adults being interviewed in this video went from

female——>male——>female once again

in adulthood. (sorry, it’s in japanese cuz i live in japan) the first person said she felt uncomfortable being treated as a girl at first so she decided to have the surgery to turn male at 20, only to develop a sudden interest in cross dressing (dressing like a woman and passing herself off as a woman), she said she became jaded about being treated like a man and wanted to try something “different” :/ once she got more skilled with cross dressing and people actually started believing she’s a female, she felt happy and her life felt exciting again. :/

so in her 30s, she went and had another surgery to turn back into female. :/ she no longer feels uncomfortable being treated as female (the gender she was born with in the first place).

the second woman had the surgery at 22 to turn into a man, but once she started balding (due to male hormone treatment) , she suddenly decided she wanted to be a woman again :/ she said she wasn’t expecting to go bald with the treatments and being a man wasn’t all it cracked up to be after all.

the balding happened while she was still in her 20s.

i’ll leave you to decide what to make of it. i’m aware that it isn’t my place to tell anyone they can’t change their genders whenever they feel like it but i’m saying if adults are this confused, what makes you think children aren’t/won’t be?

By this logic 20 yrs olds should not be allowed to choose a major.

They shouldn't be allowed to choose a career.

Or a romantic partner.

Or have a child

Or buy a house.

After all, according to you no one knows wtf they are doing at 20, nothing is solidified.


The only people approaching the "trans issue" with the urgency you describe are the same people who seek to control and diminish trans and gay rights and existence. Trans people don't care about trans people as much as these crazy conservatives demanding to inspect childrens genitals before letting them into a restroom.


Children are being bullied for being gay and trans. Not just by their peers, that stuff you can overcome, but by literal legislation taking away their fundamental rights.


I don't care if parents want to control what their children are exposed to. That is their right. I care if you try to inflict your will and morals on other parents and how they choose to raise and support their children.

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So you actually believe adults should be teaching small children about sexual topics? I hope that's not what I'm reading. If so you are literally the worst type of human in existence.

Again, leave children alone. They don't need to hear your warped political, sexual, or religious opinions. If you believe they should, you should feel ashamed. Not saying you do. I might be reading you wrong. People like that however are fucked up in the head. That's not even my opinion, just fact.

Posted by Soul

Posted by LadyNeptune

Posted by serenidad
sorry, when i said surgery, i also meant treatments as well. it seems like in most cases, the actual surgery happens when these ppl are around 20 according to several examples i’ve seen (i think 20 is way too young too though. no one really knows wtf they’re doing at 20…still in the process of searching…figuring stuff out…their character/their preferences/the direction they wanna take in life, nothing is solidified yet at 20…) but yeah the treatments, even though it’s reversible, i don’t think it’s something kids should be preoccupied with at their age. as you have mentioned, there are much more serious issues going on that don’t receive the same amount of attention as the trans issue. they’re not being tackled and approached with the same intensity and urgency as the lgbtq/trans issue.

i mentioned somewhere in this thread but bullying being one example. equipping kids with crucial life skills being another.

what i’m trying to say is there are things that require greater attention BEFORE the trans issue should ever enter the picture. we can agree to disagree on this one. :/

“The proposed and recently passed bills from the conservative right are to ban any mention lgbtq existence in the classroom and curriculum. Ban lgbtq school clubs, limit which sports teams transgender players can participate on. Enforce gender pronouns per the biological sex not the chosen gender of the child and as requested by the parent! But most alarmingly it criminalizes medical professionals who provide gender affirming care at the request of the parent which includes counseling, a child's choice to alter dress and presentation, and in rare cases the use of drugs to delay puberty or hormones during adolescence. “

you’re right. to ban any mention of lgbtq is going a bit too far. as findingbalance said, extremes are dangerous. we shouldn’t deny the existence of trans and lgbtq as that could lead to more suicide cases and hate crimes.

the goal is to make everyone feel seen and safe. we don’t wanna make anyone feel like they have no where to turn to.

so, i’m not against lgbtq/trans education. but i’m saying that they’re doing it too early.

you’re a very kind person for caring about lgbtq. i wanna make that clear.

but here’s the thing;

if adults are confused, i can only imagine how confused a kid would be. the two adults being interviewed in this video went from

female——>male——>female once again

in adulthood. (sorry, it’s in japanese cuz i live in japan) the first person said she felt uncomfortable being treated as a girl at first so she decided to have the surgery to turn male at 20, only to develop a sudden interest in cross dressing (dressing like a woman and passing herself off as a woman), she said she became jaded about being treated like a man and wanted to try something “different” :/ once she got more skilled with cross dressing and people actually started believing she’s a female, she felt happy and her life felt exciting again. :/

so in her 30s, she went and had another surgery to turn back into female. :/ she no longer feels uncomfortable being treated as female (the gender she was born with in the first place).

the second woman had the surgery at 22 to turn into a man, but once she started balding (due to male hormone treatment) , she suddenly decided she wanted to be a woman again :/ she said she wasn’t expecting to go bald with the treatments and being a man wasn’t all it cracked up to be after all.

the balding happened while she was still in her 20s.

i’ll leave you to decide what to make of it. i’m aware that it isn’t my place to tell anyone they can’t change their genders whenever they feel like it but i’m saying if adults are this confused, what makes you think children aren’t/won’t be?

By this logic 20 yrs olds should not be allowed to choose a major.

They shouldn't be allowed to choose a career.

Or a romantic partner.

Or have a child

Or buy a house.

After all, according to you no one knows wtf they are doing at 20, nothing is solidified.

The only people approaching the "trans issue" with the urgency you describe are the same people who seek to control and diminish trans and gay rights and existence. Trans people don't care about trans people as much as these crazy conservatives demanding to inspect childrens genitals before letting them into a restroom.

Children are being bullied for being gay and trans. Not just by their peers, that stuff you can overcome, but by literal legislation taking away their fundamental rights.

I don't care if parents want to control what their children are exposed to. That is their right. I care if you try to inflict your will and morals on other parents and how they choose to raise and support their children.
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So you actually believe adults should be teaching small children about sexual topics? I hope that's not what I'm reading. If so you are literally the worst type of human in existence.


Again, leave children alone. They don't need to hear your warped political, sexual, or religious opinions. If you believe they should, you should feel ashamed. Not saying you do. I might be reading you wrong. People like that however are fucked up in the head. That's not even my opinion, just fact.

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Show me a curriculum that is teaching small children sexual topics.

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Posted by Soul

Posted by LadyNeptune

Posted by serenidad
sorry, when i said surgery, i also meant treatments as well. it seems like in most cases, the actual surgery happens when these ppl are around 20 according to several examples i’ve seen (i think 20 is way too young too though. no one really knows wtf they’re doing at 20…still in the process of searching…figuring stuff out…their character/their preferences/the direction they wanna take in life, nothing is solidified yet at 20…) but yeah the treatments, even though it’s reversible, i don’t think it’s something kids should be preoccupied with at their age. as you have mentioned, there are much more serious issues going on that don’t receive the same amount of attention as the trans issue. they’re not being tackled and approached with the same intensity and urgency as the lgbtq/trans issue.

i mentioned somewhere in this thread but bullying being one example. equipping kids with crucial life skills being another.

what i’m trying to say is there are things that require greater attention BEFORE the trans issue should ever enter the picture. we can agree to disagree on this one. :/

“The proposed and recently passed bills from the conservative right are to ban any mention lgbtq existence in the classroom and curriculum. Ban lgbtq school clubs, limit which sports teams transgender players can participate on. Enforce gender pronouns per the biological sex not the chosen gender of the child and as requested by the parent! But most alarmingly it criminalizes medical professionals who provide gender affirming care at the request of the parent which includes counseling, a child's choice to alter dress and presentation, and in rare cases the use of drugs to delay puberty or hormones during adolescence. “

you’re right. to ban any mention of lgbtq is going a bit too far. as findingbalance said, extremes are dangerous. we shouldn’t deny the existence of trans and lgbtq as that could lead to more suicide cases and hate crimes.

the goal is to make everyone feel seen and safe. we don’t wanna make anyone feel like they have no where to turn to.

so, i’m not against lgbtq/trans education. but i’m saying that they’re doing it too early.

you’re a very kind person for caring about lgbtq. i wanna make that clear.

but here’s the thing;

if adults are confused, i can only imagine how confused a kid would be. the two adults being interviewed in this video went from

female——>male——>female once again

in adulthood. (sorry, it’s in japanese cuz i live in japan) the first person said she felt uncomfortable being treated as a girl at first so she decided to have the surgery to turn male at 20, only to develop a sudden interest in cross dressing (dressing like a woman and passing herself off as a woman), she said she became jaded about being treated like a man and wanted to try something “different” :/ once she got more skilled with cross dressing and people actually started believing she’s a female, she felt happy and her life felt exciting again. :/

so in her 30s, she went and had another surgery to turn back into female. :/ she no longer feels uncomfortable being treated as female (the gender she was born with in the first place).

the second woman had the surgery at 22 to turn into a man, but once she started balding (due to male hormone treatment) , she suddenly decided she wanted to be a woman again :/ she said she wasn’t expecting to go bald with the treatments and being a man wasn’t all it cracked up to be after all.

the balding happened while she was still in her 20s.

i’ll leave you to decide what to make of it. i’m aware that it isn’t my place to tell anyone they can’t change their genders whenever they feel like it but i’m saying if adults are this confused, what makes you think children aren’t/won’t be?

By this logic 20 yrs olds should not be allowed to choose a major.

They shouldn't be allowed to choose a career.

Or a romantic partner.

Or have a child

Or buy a house.

After all, according to you no one knows wtf they are doing at 20, nothing is solidified.

The only people approaching the "trans issue" with the urgency you describe are the same people who seek to control and diminish trans and gay rights and existence. Trans people don't care about trans people as much as these crazy conservatives demanding to inspect childrens genitals before letting them into a restroom.

Children are being bullied for being gay and trans. Not just by their peers, that stuff you can overcome, but by literal legislation taking away their fundamental rights.

I don't care if parents want to control what their children are exposed to. That is their right. I care if you try to inflict your will and morals on other parents and how they choose to raise and support their children.
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So you actually believe adults should be teaching small children about sexual topics? I hope that's not what I'm reading. If so you are literally the worst type of human in existence.

Again, leave children alone. They don't need to hear your warped political, sexual, or religious opinions. If you believe they should, you should feel ashamed. Not saying you do. I might be reading you wrong. People like that however are fucked up in the head. That's not even my opinion, just fact.
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Show me a curriculum that is teaching small children sexual topics.

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I've actually seen and read enough to know its currently happening, and it's absolutely disgusting. Which doesn't help your viewpoint.

I'll give you the opportunity to give your California citizen response though.

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Posted by LadyNeptune

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Posted by LadyNeptune

Posted by serenidad
sorry, when i said surgery, i also meant treatments as well. it seems like in most cases, the actual surgery happens when these ppl are around 20 according to several examples i’ve seen (i think 20 is way too young too though. no one really knows wtf they’re doing at 20…still in the process of searching…figuring stuff out…their character/their preferences/the direction they wanna take in life, nothing is solidified yet at 20…) but yeah the treatments, even though it’s reversible, i don’t think it’s something kids should be preoccupied with at their age. as you have mentioned, there are much more serious issues going on that don’t receive the same amount of attention as the trans issue. they’re not being tackled and approached with the same intensity and urgency as the lgbtq/trans issue.

i mentioned somewhere in this thread but bullying being one example. equipping kids with crucial life skills being another.

what i’m trying to say is there are things that require greater attention BEFORE the trans issue should ever enter the picture. we can agree to disagree on this one. :/

“The proposed and recently passed bills from the conservative right are to ban any mention lgbtq existence in the classroom and curriculum. Ban lgbtq school clubs, limit which sports teams transgender players can participate on. Enforce gender pronouns per the biological sex not the chosen gender of the child and as requested by the parent! But most alarmingly it criminalizes medical professionals who provide gender affirming care at the request of the parent which includes counseling, a child's choice to alter dress and presentation, and in rare cases the use of drugs to delay puberty or hormones during adolescence. “

you’re right. to ban any mention of lgbtq is going a bit too far. as findingbalance said, extremes are dangerous. we shouldn’t deny the existence of trans and lgbtq as that could lead to more suicide cases and hate crimes.

the goal is to make everyone feel seen and safe. we don’t wanna make anyone feel like they have no where to turn to.

so, i’m not against lgbtq/trans education. but i’m saying that they’re doing it too early.

you’re a very kind person for caring about lgbtq. i wanna make that clear.

but here’s the thing;

if adults are confused, i can only imagine how confused a kid would be. the two adults being interviewed in this video went from

female——>male——>female once again

in adulthood. (sorry, it’s in japanese cuz i live in japan) the first person said she felt uncomfortable being treated as a girl at first so she decided to have the surgery to turn male at 20, only to develop a sudden interest in cross dressing (dressing like a woman and passing herself off as a woman), she said she became jaded about being treated like a man and wanted to try something “different” :/ once she got more skilled with cross dressing and people actually started believing she’s a female, she felt happy and her life felt exciting again. :/

so in her 30s, she went and had another surgery to turn back into female. :/ she no longer feels uncomfortable being treated as female (the gender she was born with in the first place).

the second woman had the surgery at 22 to turn into a man, but once she started balding (due to male hormone treatment) , she suddenly decided she wanted to be a woman again :/ she said she wasn’t expecting to go bald with the treatments and being a man wasn’t all it cracked up to be after all.

the balding happened while she was still in her 20s.

i’ll leave you to decide what to make of it. i’m aware that it isn’t my place to tell anyone they can’t change their genders whenever they feel like it but i’m saying if adults are this confused, what makes you think children aren’t/won’t be?

By this logic 20 yrs olds should not be allowed to choose a major.

They shouldn't be allowed to choose a career.

Or a romantic partner.

Or have a child

Or buy a house.

After all, according to you no one knows wtf they are doing at 20, nothing is solidified.

The only people approaching the "trans issue" with the urgency you describe are the same people who seek to control and diminish trans and gay rights and existence. Trans people don't care about trans people as much as these crazy conservatives demanding to inspect childrens genitals before letting them into a restroom.

Children are being bullied for being gay and trans. Not just by their peers, that stuff you can overcome, but by literal legislation taking away their fundamental rights.

I don't care if parents want to control what their children are exposed to. That is their right. I care if you try to inflict your will and morals on other parents and how they choose to raise and support their children.
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So you actually believe adults should be teaching small children about sexual topics? I hope that's not what I'm reading. If so you are literally the worst type of human in existence.

Again, leave children alone. They don't need to hear your warped political, sexual, or religious opinions. If you believe they should, you should feel ashamed. Not saying you do. I might be reading you wrong. People like that however are fucked up in the head. That's not even my opinion, just fact.
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Show me a curriculum that is teaching small children sexual topics.
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I've actually seen and read enough to know its currently happening, and it's absolutely disgusting. Which doesn't help your viewpoint.


I'll give you the opportunity to give your California citizen response though.

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If you’ve seen so many examples of it it should be easy for you to provide one now. I am giving you an opportunity to back up this outlandish assertion that sexual topics are being taught to small children.

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sorry, when i said surgery, i also meant treatments as well. it seems like in most cases, the actual surgery happens when these ppl are around 20 according to several examples i’ve seen (i think 20 is way too young too though. no one really knows wtf they’re doing at 20…still in the process of searching…figuring stuff out…their character/their preferences/the direction they wanna take in life, nothing is solidified yet at 20…) but yeah the treatments, even though it’s reversible, i don’t think it’s something kids should be preoccupied with at their age. as you have mentioned, there are much more serious issues going on that don’t receive the same amount of attention as the trans issue. they’re not being tackled and approached with the same intensity and urgency as the lgbtq/trans issue.

i mentioned somewhere in this thread but bullying being one example. equipping kids with crucial life skills being another.

what i’m trying to say is there are things that require greater attention BEFORE the trans issue should ever enter the picture. we can agree to disagree on this one. :/

“The proposed and recently passed bills from the conservative right are to ban any mention lgbtq existence in the classroom and curriculum. Ban lgbtq school clubs, limit which sports teams transgender players can participate on. Enforce gender pronouns per the biological sex not the chosen gender of the child and as requested by the parent! But most alarmingly it criminalizes medical professionals who provide gender affirming care at the request of the parent which includes counseling, a child's choice to alter dress and presentation, and in rare cases the use of drugs to delay puberty or hormones during adolescence. “

you’re right. to ban any mention of lgbtq is going a bit too far. as findingbalance said, extremes are dangerous. we shouldn’t deny the existence of trans and lgbtq as that could lead to more suicide cases and hate crimes.

the goal is to make everyone feel seen and safe. we don’t wanna make anyone feel like they have no where to turn to.

so, i’m not against lgbtq/trans education. but i’m saying that they’re doing it too early.

you’re a very kind person for caring about lgbtq. i wanna make that clear.

but here’s the thing;

if adults are confused, i can only imagine how confused a kid would be. the two adults being interviewed in this video went from

female——>male——>female once again

in adulthood. (sorry, it’s in japanese cuz i live in japan) the first person said she felt uncomfortable being treated as a girl at first so she decided to have the surgery to turn male at 20, only to develop a sudden interest in cross dressing (dressing like a woman and passing herself off as a woman), she said she became jaded about being treated like a man and wanted to try something “different” :/ once she got more skilled with cross dressing and people actually started believing she’s a female, she felt happy and her life felt exciting again. :/

so in her 30s, she went and had another surgery to turn back into female. :/ she no longer feels uncomfortable being treated as female (the gender she was born with in the first place).

the second woman had the surgery at 22 to turn into a man, but once she started balding (due to male hormone treatment) , she suddenly decided she wanted to be a woman again :/ she said she wasn’t expecting to go bald with the treatments and being a man wasn’t all it cracked up to be after all.

the balding happened while she was still in her 20s.

i’ll leave you to decide what to make of it. i’m aware that it isn’t my place to tell anyone they can’t change their genders whenever they feel like it but i’m saying if adults are this confused, what makes you think children aren’t/won’t be?

By this logic 20 yrs olds should not be allowed to choose a major.

They shouldn't be allowed to choose a career.

Or a romantic partner.

Or have a child

Or buy a house.

After all, according to you no one knows wtf they are doing at 20, nothing is solidified.

The only people approaching the "trans issue" with the urgency you describe are the same people who seek to control and diminish trans and gay rights and existence. Trans people don't care about trans people as much as these crazy conservatives demanding to inspect childrens genitals before letting them into a restroom.

Children are being bullied for being gay and trans. Not just by their peers, that stuff you can overcome, but by literal legislation taking away their fundamental rights.

I don't care if parents want to control what their children are exposed to. That is their right. I care if you try to inflict your will and morals on other parents and how they choose to raise and support their children.
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lol

i don’t know if we’re gonna come to an agreement on this one.

kindergarten/elementary school is way too young to start having this type of conversation. i gotta stick to this stance, i’m sorry. lol



what did you think of the two cases in the video ? just curious.




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What kind of conversation do you think is occuring in kindergaten/elementary school. Lay it out for me.


I think plenty of adults regret their choices. What you choose to do with that information and how you let that effect your own choices is none of my buisness.

We can find youtube videos of people taking about their regrets for literally everything. For example taking Propecia (hair loss reduction pill) has a small % chance to cause impotence and lowered sex drive. There are youtube videos of men urging other men to avoid this drug. And yet it is still wildly popular. Should those effected blame the societal pressure to avoid baldness? They can. But ultimately you are responsible for your own choices and should be allowed to make those choices.

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“What kind of conversation do you think is occuring in kindergaten/elementary school. Lay it out for me. ”



i’ve heard of teachers asking kids if they think they’re a boy or girl or both or neither or a unicorn (some creature) and having to present it in front of everyone in class, confusing many of the kids.

one person here mentioned schools making 4th graders write an essay about feeling like a boy or girl.

drag queens coming in dressed in i dunno wtf that tight ass glittery fabric is called (i’m a dude, pls cut me some slack lol 😂) reading stories about trans to kids. (happening in libraries too)

sneaking lgbtq beliefs into kids shows, movies, and picture books.

i guess i just don’t see how any of this stuff is necessary at their tender age.



things are getting weirder…







damn, i wish they spent this much money on stopping general bullying in schools or providing lunches for kids who can’t afford to eat properly etc.

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sorry, when i said surgery, i also meant treatments as well. it seems like in most cases, the actual surgery happens when these ppl are around 20 according to several examples i’ve seen (i think 20 is way too young too though. no one really knows wtf they’re doing at 20…still in the process of searching…figuring stuff out…their character/their preferences/the direction they wanna take in life, nothing is solidified yet at 20…) but yeah the treatments, even though it’s reversible, i don’t think it’s something kids should be preoccupied with at their age. as you have mentioned, there are much more serious issues going on that don’t receive the same amount of attention as the trans issue. they’re not being tackled and approached with the same intensity and urgency as the lgbtq/trans issue.

i mentioned somewhere in this thread but bullying being one example. equipping kids with crucial life skills being another.

what i’m trying to say is there are things that require greater attention BEFORE the trans issue should ever enter the picture. we can agree to disagree on this one. :/

“The proposed and recently passed bills from the conservative right are to ban any mention lgbtq existence in the classroom and curriculum. Ban lgbtq school clubs, limit which sports teams transgender players can participate on. Enforce gender pronouns per the biological sex not the chosen gender of the child and as requested by the parent! But most alarmingly it criminalizes medical professionals who provide gender affirming care at the request of the parent which includes counseling, a child's choice to alter dress and presentation, and in rare cases the use of drugs to delay puberty or hormones during adolescence. “

you’re right. to ban any mention of lgbtq is going a bit too far. as findingbalance said, extremes are dangerous. we shouldn’t deny the existence of trans and lgbtq as that could lead to more suicide cases and hate crimes.

the goal is to make everyone feel seen and safe. we don’t wanna make anyone feel like they have no where to turn to.

so, i’m not against lgbtq/trans education. but i’m saying that they’re doing it too early.

you’re a very kind person for caring about lgbtq. i wanna make that clear.

but here’s the thing;

if adults are confused, i can only imagine how confused a kid would be. the two adults being interviewed in this video went from

female——>male——>female once again

in adulthood. (sorry, it’s in japanese cuz i live in japan) the first person said she felt uncomfortable being treated as a girl at first so she decided to have the surgery to turn male at 20, only to develop a sudden interest in cross dressing (dressing like a woman and passing herself off as a woman), she said she became jaded about being treated like a man and wanted to try something “different” :/ once she got more skilled with cross dressing and people actually started believing she’s a female, she felt happy and her life felt exciting again. :/

so in her 30s, she went and had another surgery to turn back into female. :/ she no longer feels uncomfortable being treated as female (the gender she was born with in the first place).

the second woman had the surgery at 22 to turn into a man, but once she started balding (due to male hormone treatment) , she suddenly decided she wanted to be a woman again :/ she said she wasn’t expecting to go bald with the treatments and being a man wasn’t all it cracked up to be after all.

the balding happened while she was still in her 20s.

i’ll leave you to decide what to make of it. i’m aware that it isn’t my place to tell anyone they can’t change their genders whenever they feel like it but i’m saying if adults are this confused, what makes you think children aren’t/won’t be?

By this logic 20 yrs olds should not be allowed to choose a major.

They shouldn't be allowed to choose a career.

Or a romantic partner.

Or have a child

Or buy a house.

After all, according to you no one knows wtf they are doing at 20, nothing is solidified.

The only people approaching the "trans issue" with the urgency you describe are the same people who seek to control and diminish trans and gay rights and existence. Trans people don't care about trans people as much as these crazy conservatives demanding to inspect childrens genitals before letting them into a restroom.

Children are being bullied for being gay and trans. Not just by their peers, that stuff you can overcome, but by literal legislation taking away their fundamental rights.

I don't care if parents want to control what their children are exposed to. That is their right. I care if you try to inflict your will and morals on other parents and how they choose to raise and support their children.
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lol

i don’t know if we’re gonna come to an agreement on this one.

kindergarten/elementary school is way too young to start having this type of conversation. i gotta stick to this stance, i’m sorry. lol



what did you think of the two cases in the video ? just curious.



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What kind of conversation do you think is occuring in kindergaten/elementary school. Lay it out for me.

I think plenty of adults regret their choices. What you choose to do with that information and how you let that effect your own choices is none of my buisness.

We can find youtube videos of people taking about their regrets for literally everything. For example taking Propecia (hair loss reduction pill) has a small % chance to cause impotence and lowered sex drive. There are youtube videos of men urging other men to avoid this drug. And yet it is still wildly popular. Should those effected blame the societal pressure to avoid baldness? They can. But ultimately you are responsible for your own choices and should be allowed to make those choices.

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“What kind of conversation do you think is occuring in kindergaten/elementary school. Lay it out for me. ”



i’ve heard of teachers asking kids if they think they’re a boy or girl or both or neither or a unicorn (some creature) and having to present it in front of everyone in class, confusing many of the kids.


one person here mentioned schools making 4th graders write an essay about feeling like a boy or girl.


drag queens coming in dressed in i dunno wtf that tight ass glittery fabric is called (i’m a dude, pls cut me some slack lol 😂) reading stories about trans to kids. (happening in libraries too)


sneaking lgbtq beliefs into kids shows, movies, and picture books.


i guess i just don’t see how any of this stuff is necessary at their tender age.





things are getting weirder…










damn, i wish they spent this much money on stopping general bullying in schools or providing lunches for kids who can’t afford to eat properly etc.

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OMFG. I didn't know this dailymail article. I can't even finish reading the article. I'm so angry. People are sick in the head. This is what happens when we let this kind of thing enter the school system. Why does shit like this need to be discussed to young kids————? Whyyyyyyyyy——? RIDICULOUS. And some people still say its safe to leave this discussion to educators—? What——??

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sorry, when i said surgery, i also meant treatments as well. it seems like in most cases, the actual surgery happens when these ppl are around 20 according to several examples i’ve seen (i think 20 is way too young too though. no one really knows wtf they’re doing at 20…still in the process of searching…figuring stuff out…their character/their preferences/the direction they wanna take in life, nothing is solidified yet at 20…) but yeah the treatments, even though it’s reversible, i don’t think it’s something kids should be preoccupied with at their age. as you have mentioned, there are much more serious issues going on that don’t receive the same amount of attention as the trans issue. they’re not being tackled and approached with the same intensity and urgency as the lgbtq/trans issue.

i mentioned somewhere in this thread but bullying being one example. equipping kids with crucial life skills being another.

what i’m trying to say is there are things that require greater attention BEFORE the trans issue should ever enter the picture. we can agree to disagree on this one. :/

“The proposed and recently passed bills from the conservative right are to ban any mention lgbtq existence in the classroom and curriculum. Ban lgbtq school clubs, limit which sports teams transgender players can participate on. Enforce gender pronouns per the biological sex not the chosen gender of the child and as requested by the parent! But most alarmingly it criminalizes medical professionals who provide gender affirming care at the request of the parent which includes counseling, a child's choice to alter dress and presentation, and in rare cases the use of drugs to delay puberty or hormones during adolescence. “

you’re right. to ban any mention of lgbtq is going a bit too far. as findingbalance said, extremes are dangerous. we shouldn’t deny the existence of trans and lgbtq as that could lead to more suicide cases and hate crimes.

the goal is to make everyone feel seen and safe. we don’t wanna make anyone feel like they have no where to turn to.

so, i’m not against lgbtq/trans education. but i’m saying that they’re doing it too early.

you’re a very kind person for caring about lgbtq. i wanna make that clear.

but here’s the thing;

if adults are confused, i can only imagine how confused a kid would be. the two adults being interviewed in this video went from

female——>male——>female once again

in adulthood. (sorry, it’s in japanese cuz i live in japan) the first person said she felt uncomfortable being treated as a girl at first so she decided to have the surgery to turn male at 20, only to develop a sudden interest in cross dressing (dressing like a woman and passing herself off as a woman), she said she became jaded about being treated like a man and wanted to try something “different” :/ once she got more skilled with cross dressing and people actually started believing she’s a female, she felt happy and her life felt exciting again. :/

so in her 30s, she went and had another surgery to turn back into female. :/ she no longer feels uncomfortable being treated as female (the gender she was born with in the first place).

the second woman had the surgery at 22 to turn into a man, but once she started balding (due to male hormone treatment) , she suddenly decided she wanted to be a woman again :/ she said she wasn’t expecting to go bald with the treatments and being a man wasn’t all it cracked up to be after all.

the balding happened while she was still in her 20s.

i’ll leave you to decide what to make of it. i’m aware that it isn’t my place to tell anyone they can’t change their genders whenever they feel like it but i’m saying if adults are this confused, what makes you think children aren’t/won’t be?

By this logic 20 yrs olds should not be allowed to choose a major.

They shouldn't be allowed to choose a career.

Or a romantic partner.

Or have a child

Or buy a house.

After all, according to you no one knows wtf they are doing at 20, nothing is solidified.

The only people approaching the "trans issue" with the urgency you describe are the same people who seek to control and diminish trans and gay rights and existence. Trans people don't care about trans people as much as these crazy conservatives demanding to inspect childrens genitals before letting them into a restroom.

Children are being bullied for being gay and trans. Not just by their peers, that stuff you can overcome, but by literal legislation taking away their fundamental rights.

I don't care if parents want to control what their children are exposed to. That is their right. I care if you try to inflict your will and morals on other parents and how they choose to raise and support their children.
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So you actually believe adults should be teaching small children about sexual topics? I hope that's not what I'm reading. If so you are literally the worst type of human in existence.

Again, leave children alone. They don't need to hear your warped political, sexual, or religious opinions. If you believe they should, you should feel ashamed. Not saying you do. I might be reading you wrong. People like that however are fucked up in the head. That's not even my opinion, just fact.
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Show me a curriculum that is teaching small children sexual topics.
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I've actually seen and read enough to know its currently happening, and it's absolutely disgusting. Which doesn't help your viewpoint.

I'll give you the opportunity to give your California citizen response though.
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If you’ve seen so many examples of it it should be easy for you to provide one now. I am giving you an opportunity to back up this outlandish assertion that sexual topics are being taught to small children.

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This is the line I guess we're making. I will not, nor will I ever post something that descripts children being defiled mentally. The idea of using it as my argument is the lowest someone could go. You honestly mean nothing in the grand scheme of things imo, so I have nothing to prove to you. Nor do I feel I can truly change your mind. So consider it as a win if you want. I could 100% post videos and imagery describing what I said, but I respect the children in the videos more then my want to prove you wrong. So you can simply go fuck yourself.

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sorry, when i said surgery, i also meant treatments as well. it seems like in most cases, the actual surgery happens when these ppl are around 20 according to several examples i’ve seen (i think 20 is way too young too though. no one really knows wtf they’re doing at 20…still in the process of searching…figuring stuff out…their character/their preferences/the direction they wanna take in life, nothing is solidified yet at 20…) but yeah the treatments, even though it’s reversible, i don’t think it’s something kids should be preoccupied with at their age. as you have mentioned, there are much more serious issues going on that don’t receive the same amount of attention as the trans issue. they’re not being tackled and approached with the same intensity and urgency as the lgbtq/trans issue.

i mentioned somewhere in this thread but bullying being one example. equipping kids with crucial life skills being another.

what i’m trying to say is there are things that require greater attention BEFORE the trans issue should ever enter the picture. we can agree to disagree on this one. :/

“The proposed and recently passed bills from the conservative right are to ban any mention lgbtq existence in the classroom and curriculum. Ban lgbtq school clubs, limit which sports teams transgender players can participate on. Enforce gender pronouns per the biological sex not the chosen gender of the child and as requested by the parent! But most alarmingly it criminalizes medical professionals who provide gender affirming care at the request of the parent which includes counseling, a child's choice to alter dress and presentation, and in rare cases the use of drugs to delay puberty or hormones during adolescence. “

you’re right. to ban any mention of lgbtq is going a bit too far. as findingbalance said, extremes are dangerous. we shouldn’t deny the existence of trans and lgbtq as that could lead to more suicide cases and hate crimes.

the goal is to make everyone feel seen and safe. we don’t wanna make anyone feel like they have no where to turn to.

so, i’m not against lgbtq/trans education. but i’m saying that they’re doing it too early.

you’re a very kind person for caring about lgbtq. i wanna make that clear.

but here’s the thing;

if adults are confused, i can only imagine how confused a kid would be. the two adults being interviewed in this video went from

female——>male——>female once again

in adulthood. (sorry, it’s in japanese cuz i live in japan) the first person said she felt uncomfortable being treated as a girl at first so she decided to have the surgery to turn male at 20, only to develop a sudden interest in cross dressing (dressing like a woman and passing herself off as a woman), she said she became jaded about being treated like a man and wanted to try something “different” :/ once she got more skilled with cross dressing and people actually started believing she’s a female, she felt happy and her life felt exciting again. :/

so in her 30s, she went and had another surgery to turn back into female. :/ she no longer feels uncomfortable being treated as female (the gender she was born with in the first place).

the second woman had the surgery at 22 to turn into a man, but once she started balding (due to male hormone treatment) , she suddenly decided she wanted to be a woman again :/ she said she wasn’t expecting to go bald with the treatments and being a man wasn’t all it cracked up to be after all.

the balding happened while she was still in her 20s.

i’ll leave you to decide what to make of it. i’m aware that it isn’t my place to tell anyone they can’t change their genders whenever they feel like it but i’m saying if adults are this confused, what makes you think children aren’t/won’t be?

By this logic 20 yrs olds should not be allowed to choose a major.

They shouldn't be allowed to choose a career.

Or a romantic partner.

Or have a child

Or buy a house.

After all, according to you no one knows wtf they are doing at 20, nothing is solidified.

The only people approaching the "trans issue" with the urgency you describe are the same people who seek to control and diminish trans and gay rights and existence. Trans people don't care about trans people as much as these crazy conservatives demanding to inspect childrens genitals before letting them into a restroom.

Children are being bullied for being gay and trans. Not just by their peers, that stuff you can overcome, but by literal legislation taking away their fundamental rights.

I don't care if parents want to control what their children are exposed to. That is their right. I care if you try to inflict your will and morals on other parents and how they choose to raise and support their children.
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lol

i don’t know if we’re gonna come to an agreement on this one.

kindergarten/elementary school is way too young to start having this type of conversation. i gotta stick to this stance, i’m sorry. lol



what did you think of the two cases in the video ? just curious.



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What kind of conversation do you think is occuring in kindergaten/elementary school. Lay it out for me.

I think plenty of adults regret their choices. What you choose to do with that information and how you let that effect your own choices is none of my buisness.

We can find youtube videos of people taking about their regrets for literally everything. For example taking Propecia (hair loss reduction pill) has a small % chance to cause impotence and lowered sex drive. There are youtube videos of men urging other men to avoid this drug. And yet it is still wildly popular. Should those effected blame the societal pressure to avoid baldness? They can. But ultimately you are responsible for your own choices and should be allowed to make those choices.

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“What kind of conversation do you think is occuring in kindergaten/elementary school. Lay it out for me. ”



i’ve heard of teachers asking kids if they think they’re a boy or girl or both or neither or a unicorn (some creature) and having to present it in front of everyone in class, confusing many of the kids.


one person here mentioned schools making 4th graders write an essay about feeling like a boy or girl.


drag queens coming in dressed in i dunno wtf that tight ass glittery fabric is called (i’m a dude, pls cut me some slack lol 😂) reading stories about trans to kids. (happening in libraries too)


sneaking lgbtq beliefs into kids shows, movies, and picture books.


i guess i just don’t see how any of this stuff is necessary at their tender age. damn, i wish they spent this much money on stopping general bullying in schools or providing lunches for kids who can’t afford to eat properly etc.

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So your not ok with drag performers reading books to kids but your ok with child pageants?

What do you mean by sneaking LGBTQ into books and movies? I've seen grown ass adults constantly tell kids to their face, your so pretty do you have a bf/gf? That is seen as normalized conversation to have with young young children. But reading a children's book about a two male father penguins is somehow perverse?

ALL media is pushing a cis straight narrative. You see it as normal when a father an mother are shown. But when a mother and mother is shown in the same setting it is somehow perverse and unsettling to you?

Perhaps examine why you view one sexuality or gender identity as fine and the other perverse.

Its not drag queens that are grooming and sexually assaulting children, its straight cis males... overwhelmingly so.

Drag has been part of our culture for as long as America existed. But its only recently been a target to limit and restrict the LGBTQ communities rights.

I want to see the same people who call for the end of drag to ban Mrs Doubtfire a comedy family movie for example. Be consistent with your energy. And the fact they ignore these examples of cis drag tell me that Drag is fine as long as it is performed by cis males or females. When it is a LGBTQ person performing the art of drag suddenly it is viewed at perverse.

I know Soul can't actually give me an example because there isn't one to give.

Sex ed isn't taught until grade 7th in very liberal California. Putting children at 13years old.

And again, you as the parent can OPT OUT if you don't want your child partaking in sex ed.

Conservatives think children are too young to learn about safe sex but find it perfectly ok to turn an 13 year old into a forced birther. No abortion exceptions for rape or incest or health risk to the CHILD. Make it make sense.

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I know Soul can't actually give me an example because there isn't one to give.

Sex ed isn't taught until grade 7th in very liberal California. Putting children at 13years old.

And again, you as the parent can OPT OUT if you don't want your child partaking in sex ed.


Conservatives think children are too young to learn about safe sex but find it perfectly ok to turn an 13 year old into a forced birther. No abortion exceptions for rape or incest or health risk to the CHILD. Make it make sense.

Again what is your actual opinion on the topic? I could give many examples, but I wouldn't for respect for the children involved. Does that bother you? Like what are your true opinions on this topic? Do you belive adults should throw their opinions of politics, sexuality and religion on children?

So far you seem like you only throw your personal adult beliefs on children. Have you ever had an actual interview with people who think the opposite?

Let's be honest, 100% not. So you aren't shit. You know nothing, and have no right on speaking on the behalf of other people. Especially children. What makes you think you have the right?

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sorry, when i said surgery, i also meant treatments as well. it seems like in most cases, the actual surgery happens when these ppl are around 20 according to several examples i’ve seen (i think 20 is way too young too though. no one really knows wtf they’re doing at 20…still in the process of searching…figuring stuff out…their character/their preferences/the direction they wanna take in life, nothing is solidified yet at 20…) but yeah the treatments, even though it’s reversible, i don’t think it’s something kids should be preoccupied with at their age. as you have mentioned, there are much more serious issues going on that don’t receive the same amount of attention as the trans issue. they’re not being tackled and approached with the same intensity and urgency as the lgbtq/trans issue.

i mentioned somewhere in this thread but bullying being one example. equipping kids with crucial life skills being another.

what i’m trying to say is there are things that require greater attention BEFORE the trans issue should ever enter the picture. we can agree to disagree on this one. :/

“The proposed and recently passed bills from the conservative right are to ban any mention lgbtq existence in the classroom and curriculum. Ban lgbtq school clubs, limit which sports teams transgender players can participate on. Enforce gender pronouns per the biological sex not the chosen gender of the child and as requested by the parent! But most alarmingly it criminalizes medical professionals who provide gender affirming care at the request of the parent which includes counseling, a child's choice to alter dress and presentation, and in rare cases the use of drugs to delay puberty or hormones during adolescence. “

you’re right. to ban any mention of lgbtq is going a bit too far. as findingbalance said, extremes are dangerous. we shouldn’t deny the existence of trans and lgbtq as that could lead to more suicide cases and hate crimes.

the goal is to make everyone feel seen and safe. we don’t wanna make anyone feel like they have no where to turn to.

so, i’m not against lgbtq/trans education. but i’m saying that they’re doing it too early.

you’re a very kind person for caring about lgbtq. i wanna make that clear.

but here’s the thing;

if adults are confused, i can only imagine how confused a kid would be. the two adults being interviewed in this video went from

female——>male——>female once again

in adulthood. (sorry, it’s in japanese cuz i live in japan) the first person said she felt uncomfortable being treated as a girl at first so she decided to have the surgery to turn male at 20, only to develop a sudden interest in cross dressing (dressing like a woman and passing herself off as a woman), she said she became jaded about being treated like a man and wanted to try something “different” :/ once she got more skilled with cross dressing and people actually started believing she’s a female, she felt happy and her life felt exciting again. :/

so in her 30s, she went and had another surgery to turn back into female. :/ she no longer feels uncomfortable being treated as female (the gender she was born with in the first place).

the second woman had the surgery at 22 to turn into a man, but once she started balding (due to male hormone treatment) , she suddenly decided she wanted to be a woman again :/ she said she wasn’t expecting to go bald with the treatments and being a man wasn’t all it cracked up to be after all.

the balding happened while she was still in her 20s.

i’ll leave you to decide what to make of it. i’m aware that it isn’t my place to tell anyone they can’t change their genders whenever they feel like it but i’m saying if adults are this confused, what makes you think children aren’t/won’t be?

By this logic 20 yrs olds should not be allowed to choose a major.

They shouldn't be allowed to choose a career.

Or a romantic partner.

Or have a child

Or buy a house.

After all, according to you no one knows wtf they are doing at 20, nothing is solidified.

The only people approaching the "trans issue" with the urgency you describe are the same people who seek to control and diminish trans and gay rights and existence. Trans people don't care about trans people as much as these crazy conservatives demanding to inspect childrens genitals before letting them into a restroom.

Children are being bullied for being gay and trans. Not just by their peers, that stuff you can overcome, but by literal legislation taking away their fundamental rights.

I don't care if parents want to control what their children are exposed to. That is their right. I care if you try to inflict your will and morals on other parents and how they choose to raise and support their children.
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So you actually believe adults should be teaching small children about sexual topics? I hope that's not what I'm reading. If so you are literally the worst type of human in existence.

Again, leave children alone. They don't need to hear your warped political, sexual, or religious opinions. If you believe they should, you should feel ashamed. Not saying you do. I might be reading you wrong. People like that however are fucked up in the head. That's not even my opinion, just fact.
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Show me a curriculum that is teaching small children sexual topics.
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I've actually seen and read enough to know its currently happening, and it's absolutely disgusting. Which doesn't help your viewpoint.

I'll give you the opportunity to give your California citizen response though.
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If you’ve seen so many examples of it it should be easy for you to provide one now. I am giving you an opportunity to back up this outlandish assertion that sexual topics are being taught to small children.
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This is the line I guess we're making. I will not, nor will I ever post something that descripts children being defiled mentally. The idea of using it as my argument is the lowest someone could go. You honestly mean nothing in the grand scheme of things imo, so I have nothing to prove to you. Nor do I feel I can truly change your mind. So consider it as a win if you want. I could 100% post videos and imagery describing what I said, but I respect the children in the videos more then my want to prove you wrong. So you can simply go fuck yourself.

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I’ve been very clear and succinct with my viewpoint, not others but my own. I am not “speaking on behalf of others”. If you are unwilling or unable to comprehend that onus is not on me.

I never asked for videos. I asked you to provide one solitary example of a curriculum that is teaching small children sexual topics as you put it. I have invited you to share in civil discourse but as with these topics, when asked to actually show a small smidgeon of evidence of your outlandish accusations, you default back to baseless insults. Because you have nothing of actual value or substance to add.

You are dismissed 👋

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sorry, when i said surgery, i also meant treatments as well. it seems like in most cases, the actual surgery happens when these ppl are around 20 according to several examples i’ve seen (i think 20 is way too young too though. no one really knows wtf they’re doing at 20…still in the process of searching…figuring stuff out…their character/their preferences/the direction they wanna take in life, nothing is solidified yet at 20…) but yeah the treatments, even though it’s reversible, i don’t think it’s something kids should be preoccupied with at their age. as you have mentioned, there are much more serious issues going on that don’t receive the same amount of attention as the trans issue. they’re not being tackled and approached with the same intensity and urgency as the lgbtq/trans issue.

i mentioned somewhere in this thread but bullying being one example. equipping kids with crucial life skills being another.

what i’m trying to say is there are things that require greater attention BEFORE the trans issue should ever enter the picture. we can agree to disagree on this one. :/

“The proposed and recently passed bills from the conservative right are to ban any mention lgbtq existence in the classroom and curriculum. Ban lgbtq school clubs, limit which sports teams transgender players can participate on. Enforce gender pronouns per the biological sex not the chosen gender of the child and as requested by the parent! But most alarmingly it criminalizes medical professionals who provide gender affirming care at the request of the parent which includes counseling, a child's choice to alter dress and presentation, and in rare cases the use of drugs to delay puberty or hormones during adolescence. “

you’re right. to ban any mention of lgbtq is going a bit too far. as findingbalance said, extremes are dangerous. we shouldn’t deny the existence of trans and lgbtq as that could lead to more suicide cases and hate crimes.

the goal is to make everyone feel seen and safe. we don’t wanna make anyone feel like they have no where to turn to.

so, i’m not against lgbtq/trans education. but i’m saying that they’re doing it too early.

you’re a very kind person for caring about lgbtq. i wanna make that clear.

but here’s the thing;

if adults are confused, i can only imagine how confused a kid would be. the two adults being interviewed in this video went from

female——>male——>female once again

in adulthood. (sorry, it’s in japanese cuz i live in japan) the first person said she felt uncomfortable being treated as a girl at first so she decided to have the surgery to turn male at 20, only to develop a sudden interest in cross dressing (dressing like a woman and passing herself off as a woman), she said she became jaded about being treated like a man and wanted to try something “different” :/ once she got more skilled with cross dressing and people actually started believing she’s a female, she felt happy and her life felt exciting again. :/

so in her 30s, she went and had another surgery to turn back into female. :/ she no longer feels uncomfortable being treated as female (the gender she was born with in the first place).

the second woman had the surgery at 22 to turn into a man, but once she started balding (due to male hormone treatment) , she suddenly decided she wanted to be a woman again :/ she said she wasn’t expecting to go bald with the treatments and being a man wasn’t all it cracked up to be after all.

the balding happened while she was still in her 20s.

i’ll leave you to decide what to make of it. i’m aware that it isn’t my place to tell anyone they can’t change their genders whenever they feel like it but i’m saying if adults are this confused, what makes you think children aren’t/won’t be?

By this logic 20 yrs olds should not be allowed to choose a major.

They shouldn't be allowed to choose a career.

Or a romantic partner.

Or have a child

Or buy a house.

After all, according to you no one knows wtf they are doing at 20, nothing is solidified.

The only people approaching the "trans issue" with the urgency you describe are the same people who seek to control and diminish trans and gay rights and existence. Trans people don't care about trans people as much as these crazy conservatives demanding to inspect childrens genitals before letting them into a restroom.

Children are being bullied for being gay and trans. Not just by their peers, that stuff you can overcome, but by literal legislation taking away their fundamental rights.

I don't care if parents want to control what their children are exposed to. That is their right. I care if you try to inflict your will and morals on other parents and how they choose to raise and support their children.
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So you actually believe adults should be teaching small children about sexual topics? I hope that's not what I'm reading. If so you are literally the worst type of human in existence.


Again, leave children alone. They don't need to hear your warped political, sexual, or religious opinions. If you believe they should, you should feel ashamed. Not saying you do. I might be reading you wrong. People like that however are fucked up in the head. That's not even my opinion, just fact.

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For someone who's always bitching, moaning, condemning and making accusations left and right about pedos, groomers and creeps... She is looking very sus right now.

She is always pushing her political agenda and shoving her opinions and political views down people's throats. It's funny how quick she is to call someone 'unhinged' yet she not only supports this craziness but blatantly pushes for it.

''Major ick vibes"

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Westerners has a strange obsession with sexualizing everything. This is why I barely watch western television anymore because I’ve gotten so used to Asian dramas not showing ppl having sex every 5 minutes of the show. I tried watching a western television for the first time in a while, I dropped it because literally everyone 5 minutes a sexual innuendo or sex scene showed up that had nothing to do with the plot.


And now with children this is even worse. Honestly I cannot wrap my head around why ppl are so adamant about children learning about sexuality so young, and pushing sexuality on them.


It really is disheartening because they are still innocent and should keep it as long as possible. We only live a short amount of time in that purity until we are jaded and corrupted by the world. Yes childhood should be rose colored and pure.

I really wish I didn’t have to hear so much about sex or see it so often on tv as a child like I did. I feel like I was deprived of my innocent years and it saddens me. I can’t think of childhood as innocent as I would like cause those things stand out.

I’m not sure why adults don’t want children to keep their innocence anymore. They have plenty of time to figure themselves out.

Regardless if it’s about LGBT or heterosexuality, I personally feel sexuality has no business in children’s lives.

Besides also this stuff in my opinion is stuff that shouldn’t be taught by schools, it’s the parents responsibility. When they reach the appropriate age to have “the talk”.

The most important thing in my opinion is parents giving their children unconditional love and show them acceptance, so then kids will feel okay opening up to their parents, and their parents should love their children no matter what. And in turn teach their children to be more accepting of others. Children are only taught to discriminate.

(sorry everyone for the really spaced out replies lol i’m doing other tasks at the same time 😂i work from home 😅)

you nailed it too with everything you said.👏 👏

“I’m not sure why adults don’t want children to keep their innocence anymore. They have plenty of time to figure themselves out. “

cuz they have a different agenda they wanna push. innocence doesn’t matter when there’s money to be made. those hormone treatments bring in a lot of money.

“Westerners has a strange obsession with sexualizing everything. This is why I barely watch western television anymore because I’ve gotten so used to Asian dramas not showing ppl having sex every 5 minutes of the show. I tried watching a western television for the first time in a while, I dropped it because literally everyone 5 minutes a sexual innuendo or sex scene showed up that had nothing to do with the plot. ”

yeah…i’ve noticed this too. sexual innuendos aren’t as in-your-face or frequent in japanese shows, dramas and movies. even in songs. so you won’t hear a lot about sex if you’re just like going about your day normally or even just watching tv. it’s overall more “clean” over here.

i think that goes for most asian media.

but obviously there are places in any country where sex is blatantly right there….red light districts here like kabukicho, susukino, umeda among many others where sex is sold, companionship is sold (platonic or not depends on how much you spend, i think)

fu-zoku “brothels”, kyabakura “cabaret” , host clubs…you basically look at a menu on an iPad or something and pick the dude you wanna talk to, order expensive champagne etc they mainly offer platonic companionship but some of them do sleep with the customers according to the girls who have been there)

however, unless little kids go into these places, which is highly unlikely, they won’t know about it. which is exactly my point.

there’s also very little sex education in japanese schools.

this is last month in susukino. i was only there for the annual snow festival and they had ice sculptures in the red light district so i was just like passing through, looking at those.

they had billboards like this of brothels, bars, and host clubs etc.





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sorry, when i said surgery, i also meant treatments as well. it seems like in most cases, the actual surgery happens when these ppl are around 20 according to several examples i’ve seen (i think 20 is way too young too though. no one really knows wtf they’re doing at 20…still in the process of searching…figuring stuff out…their character/their preferences/the direction they wanna take in life, nothing is solidified yet at 20…) but yeah the treatments, even though it’s reversible, i don’t think it’s something kids should be preoccupied with at their age. as you have mentioned, there are much more serious issues going on that don’t receive the same amount of attention as the trans issue. they’re not being tackled and approached with the same intensity and urgency as the lgbtq/trans issue.

i mentioned somewhere in this thread but bullying being one example. equipping kids with crucial life skills being another.

what i’m trying to say is there are things that require greater attention BEFORE the trans issue should ever enter the picture. we can agree to disagree on this one. :/

“The proposed and recently passed bills from the conservative right are to ban any mention lgbtq existence in the classroom and curriculum. Ban lgbtq school clubs, limit which sports teams transgender players can participate on. Enforce gender pronouns per the biological sex not the chosen gender of the child and as requested by the parent! But most alarmingly it criminalizes medical professionals who provide gender affirming care at the request of the parent which includes counseling, a child's choice to alter dress and presentation, and in rare cases the use of drugs to delay puberty or hormones during adolescence. “

you’re right. to ban any mention of lgbtq is going a bit too far. as findingbalance said, extremes are dangerous. we shouldn’t deny the existence of trans and lgbtq as that could lead to more suicide cases and hate crimes.

the goal is to make everyone feel seen and safe. we don’t wanna make anyone feel like they have no where to turn to.

so, i’m not against lgbtq/trans education. but i’m saying that they’re doing it too early.

you’re a very kind person for caring about lgbtq. i wanna make that clear.

but here’s the thing;

if adults are confused, i can only imagine how confused a kid would be. the two adults being interviewed in this video went from

female——>male——>female once again

in adulthood. (sorry, it’s in japanese cuz i live in japan) the first person said she felt uncomfortable being treated as a girl at first so she decided to have the surgery to turn male at 20, only to develop a sudden interest in cross dressing (dressing like a woman and passing herself off as a woman), she said she became jaded about being treated like a man and wanted to try something “different” :/ once she got more skilled with cross dressing and people actually started believing she’s a female, she felt happy and her life felt exciting again. :/

so in her 30s, she went and had another surgery to turn back into female. :/ she no longer feels uncomfortable being treated as female (the gender she was born with in the first place).

the second woman had the surgery at 22 to turn into a man, but once she started balding (due to male hormone treatment) , she suddenly decided she wanted to be a woman again :/ she said she wasn’t expecting to go bald with the treatments and being a man wasn’t all it cracked up to be after all.

the balding happened while she was still in her 20s.

i’ll leave you to decide what to make of it. i’m aware that it isn’t my place to tell anyone they can’t change their genders whenever they feel like it but i’m saying if adults are this confused, what makes you think children aren’t/won’t be?

By this logic 20 yrs olds should not be allowed to choose a major.

They shouldn't be allowed to choose a career.

Or a romantic partner.

Or have a child

Or buy a house.

After all, according to you no one knows wtf they are doing at 20, nothing is solidified.

The only people approaching the "trans issue" with the urgency you describe are the same people who seek to control and diminish trans and gay rights and existence. Trans people don't care about trans people as much as these crazy conservatives demanding to inspect childrens genitals before letting them into a restroom.

Children are being bullied for being gay and trans. Not just by their peers, that stuff you can overcome, but by literal legislation taking away their fundamental rights.

I don't care if parents want to control what their children are exposed to. That is their right. I care if you try to inflict your will and morals on other parents and how they choose to raise and support their children.
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lol

i don’t know if we’re gonna come to an agreement on this one.

kindergarten/elementary school is way too young to start having this type of conversation. i gotta stick to this stance, i’m sorry. lol



what did you think of the two cases in the video ? just curious.


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What kind of conversation do you think is occuring in kindergaten/elementary school. Lay it out for me.

I think plenty of adults regret their choices. What you choose to do with that information and how you let that effect your own choices is none of my buisness.

We can find youtube videos of people taking about their regrets for literally everything. For example taking Propecia (hair loss reduction pill) has a small % chance to cause impotence and lowered sex drive. There are youtube videos of men urging other men to avoid this drug. And yet it is still wildly popular. Should those effected blame the societal pressure to avoid baldness? They can. But ultimately you are responsible for your own choices and should be allowed to make those choices.

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“What kind of conversation do you think is occuring in kindergaten/elementary school. Lay it out for me. ”


i’ve heard of teachers asking kids if they think they’re a boy or girl or both or neither or a unicorn (some creature) and having to present it in front of everyone in class, confusing many of the kids.

one person here mentioned schools making 4th graders write an essay about feeling like a boy or girl.

drag queens coming in dressed in i dunno wtf that tight ass glittery fabric is called (i’m a dude, pls cut me some slack lol 😂) reading stories about trans to kids. (happening in libraries too)

sneaking lgbtq beliefs into kids shows, movies, and picture books.

i guess i just don’t see how any of this stuff is necessary at their tender age. damn, i wish they spent this much money on stopping general bullying in schools or providing lunches for kids who can’t afford to eat properly etc.
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So your not ok with drag performers reading books to kids but your ok with child pageants?


What do you mean by sneaking LGBTQ into books and movies? I've seen grown ass adults constantly tell kids to their face, your so pretty do you have a bf/gf? That is seen as normalized conversation to have with young young children. But reading a children's book about a two male father penguins is somehow perverse?


ALL media is pushing a cis straight narrative. You see it as normal when a father an mother are shown. But when a mother and mother is shown in the same setting it is somehow perverse and unsettling to you?

Perhaps examine why you view one sexuality or gender identity as fine and the other perverse.


Its not drag queens that are grooming and sexually assaulting children, its straight cis males... overwhelmingly so.


Drag has been part of our culture for as long as America existed. But its only recently been a target to limit and restrict the LGBTQ communities rights.


I want to see the same people who call for the end of drag to ban Mrs Doubtfire a comedy family movie for example. Be consistent with your energy. And the fact they ignore these examples of cis drag tell me that Drag is fine as long as it is performed by cis males or females. When it is a LGBTQ person performing the art of drag suddenly it is viewed at perverse.

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“So you’re not ok with drag performers reading books to kids but you’re ok with child pageants? “



i’m against child pageants.



“I've seen grown ass adults constantly tell kids to their face, your so pretty do you have a bf/gf? That is seen as normalized conversation to have with young young children.”

i think that’s highly inappropriate too. i have never asked any kid if they have a bf/gf.

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Conservatives think children are too young to learn about safe sex but find it perfectly ok to turn an 13 year old into a forced birther. No abortion exceptions for rape or incest or health risk to the CHILD. Make it make sense.

yeah that new abortion law is crazy…what if the girl was raped? they’re still gonna make her have the baby? :/

Let's say there is a 13 years old who feels like they are different (think autistic girls) or in the wrong body, and doesn't know who to talk about it. Or it could just be the average girl who has a strained relationship with her mother and is now freaking out because her boobs are not growing as fast as those of her peers....

The person to talk about all the body and mind related issues would be the school nurse or doctor. Perhaps the nurse/doctor should be invited to give a talk to 13 yrs olds and practically ask them if they have one of the following issues.. to come and talk to them sooner rather than later.

There is no need to put gender issues into the curriculum. If you do, then it would be fair to teach them about 1000 other issues, from eating disorders to mental issues. And this is not what general education should be about.

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sorry, when i said surgery, i also meant treatments as well. it seems like in most cases, the actual surgery happens when these ppl are around 20 according to several examples i’ve seen (i think 20 is way too young too though. no one really knows wtf they’re doing at 20…still in the process of searching…figuring stuff out…their character/their preferences/the direction they wanna take in life, nothing is solidified yet at 20…) but yeah the treatments, even though it’s reversible, i don’t think it’s something kids should be preoccupied with at their age. as you have mentioned, there are much more serious issues going on that don’t receive the same amount of attention as the trans issue. they’re not being tackled and approached with the same intensity and urgency as the lgbtq/trans issue.

i mentioned somewhere in this thread but bullying being one example. equipping kids with crucial life skills being another.

what i’m trying to say is there are things that require greater attention BEFORE the trans issue should ever enter the picture. we can agree to disagree on this one. :/

“The proposed and recently passed bills from the conservative right are to ban any mention lgbtq existence in the classroom and curriculum. Ban lgbtq school clubs, limit which sports teams transgender players can participate on. Enforce gender pronouns per the biological sex not the chosen gender of the child and as requested by the parent! But most alarmingly it criminalizes medical professionals who provide gender affirming care at the request of the parent which includes counseling, a child's choice to alter dress and presentation, and in rare cases the use of drugs to delay puberty or hormones during adolescence. “

you’re right. to ban any mention of lgbtq is going a bit too far. as findingbalance said, extremes are dangerous. we shouldn’t deny the existence of trans and lgbtq as that could lead to more suicide cases and hate crimes.

the goal is to make everyone feel seen and safe. we don’t wanna make anyone feel like they have no where to turn to.

so, i’m not against lgbtq/trans education. but i’m saying that they’re doing it too early.

you’re a very kind person for caring about lgbtq. i wanna make that clear.

but here’s the thing;

if adults are confused, i can only imagine how confused a kid would be. the two adults being interviewed in this video went from

female——>male——>female once again

in adulthood. (sorry, it’s in japanese cuz i live in japan) the first person said she felt uncomfortable being treated as a girl at first so she decided to have the surgery to turn male at 20, only to develop a sudden interest in cross dressing (dressing like a woman and passing herself off as a woman), she said she became jaded about being treated like a man and wanted to try something “different” :/ once she got more skilled with cross dressing and people actually started believing she’s a female, she felt happy and her life felt exciting again. :/

so in her 30s, she went and had another surgery to turn back into female. :/ she no longer feels uncomfortable being treated as female (the gender she was born with in the first place).

the second woman had the surgery at 22 to turn into a man, but once she started balding (due to male hormone treatment) , she suddenly decided she wanted to be a woman again :/ she said she wasn’t expecting to go bald with the treatments and being a man wasn’t all it cracked up to be after all.

the balding happened while she was still in her 20s.

i’ll leave you to decide what to make of it. i’m aware that it isn’t my place to tell anyone they can’t change their genders whenever they feel like it but i’m saying if adults are this confused, what makes you think children aren’t/won’t be?

By this logic 20 yrs olds should not be allowed to choose a major.

They shouldn't be allowed to choose a career.

Or a romantic partner.

Or have a child

Or buy a house.

After all, according to you no one knows wtf they are doing at 20, nothing is solidified.

The only people approaching the "trans issue" with the urgency you describe are the same people who seek to control and diminish trans and gay rights and existence. Trans people don't care about trans people as much as these crazy conservatives demanding to inspect childrens genitals before letting them into a restroom.

Children are being bullied for being gay and trans. Not just by their peers, that stuff you can overcome, but by literal legislation taking away their fundamental rights.

I don't care if parents want to control what their children are exposed to. That is their right. I care if you try to inflict your will and morals on other parents and how they choose to raise and support their children.
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lol

i don’t know if we’re gonna come to an agreement on this one.

kindergarten/elementary school is way too young to start having this type of conversation. i gotta stick to this stance, i’m sorry. lol



what did you think of the two cases in the video ? just curious.


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What kind of conversation do you think is occuring in kindergaten/elementary school. Lay it out for me.

I think plenty of adults regret their choices. What you choose to do with that information and how you let that effect your own choices is none of my buisness.

We can find youtube videos of people taking about their regrets for literally everything. For example taking Propecia (hair loss reduction pill) has a small % chance to cause impotence and lowered sex drive. There are youtube videos of men urging other men to avoid this drug. And yet it is still wildly popular. Should those effected blame the societal pressure to avoid baldness? They can. But ultimately you are responsible for your own choices and should be allowed to make those choices.

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“What kind of conversation do you think is occuring in kindergaten/elementary school. Lay it out for me. ”


i’ve heard of teachers asking kids if they think they’re a boy or girl or both or neither or a unicorn (some creature) and having to present it in front of everyone in class, confusing many of the kids.

one person here mentioned schools making 4th graders write an essay about feeling like a boy or girl.

drag queens coming in dressed in i dunno wtf that tight ass glittery fabric is called (i’m a dude, pls cut me some slack lol 😂) reading stories about trans to kids. (happening in libraries too)

sneaking lgbtq beliefs into kids shows, movies, and picture books.

i guess i just don’t see how any of this stuff is necessary at their tender age.



things are getting weirder…







damn, i wish they spent this much money on stopping general bullying in schools or providing lunches for kids who can’t afford to eat properly etc.
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OMFG. I didn't know this dailymail article. I can't even finish reading the article. I'm so angry. People are sick in the head. This is what happens when we let this kind of thing enter the school system. Why does shit like this need to be discussed to young kids————? Whyyyyyyyyy——? RIDICULOUS. And some people still say its safe to leave this discussion to educators—? What——??

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yeah i don’t really read western news but i just typed “drag queen school” in google search bar and this article came up among many others lol

Posted by Saturn_Returns
Let kids be kids.


Instead of thrusting political sexual agendas down pupils throats, simply ensure that a climate of tolerance is encouraged.


When they become young teenagers, make them more aware of LGBTQ issues, but not in a draconian or ham-fisted manner.

exactly. i don’t see why they can’t wait until the kids are at least teenagers. :/

this whole “get ‘em while they’re young and defenseless” mentality is suspicious.

why the rush ?

Posted by Undine
Let's say there is a 13 years old who feels like they are different (think autistic girls) or in the wrong body, and doesn't know who to talk about it. Or it could just be the average girl who has a strained relationship with her mother and is now freaking out because her boobs are not growing as fast as those of her peers....


The person to talk about all the body and mind related issues would be the school nurse or doctor. Perhaps the nurse/doctor should be invited to give a talk to 13 yrs olds and practically ask them if they have one of the following issues.. to come and talk to them sooner rather than later.


There is no need to put gender issues into the curriculum. If you do, then it would be fair to teach them about 1000 other issues, from eating disorders to mental issues. And this is not what general education should be about.

or maybe they could like send home some flyers ( “come talk to the nurse during lunch hour or after school” or something like that) and the students who WANT to talk to the nurse in private can. i want trans/lgbtq people to have a safe place to go to and feel heard but exposing all children indiscriminately to this is…..not really ideal. wait until they’re at least in their teens.

I think kindergarten or even earlier years of primary school... ugh forgot the American equivalent. They should jsut stay kids. Even for myself when I was schooled in Denmark for a few years in, it wasn't until highschool and they don't hold anytthing back which actually sort of helped destroy that weird stigma that's so pervasive in a particular western country. Aussie sex ed is tame as fuck.

Another fact is hey I didn't get the internet until I was in year 11 or 12. I feel like kids and teenagers these days are for more educated than people realise even if they are pathetically stupid (jk). They will inadvertently come across some of this material online.

So while I think kindergarten +- 4 years is too much, I don't really have an issue with these things being talked about beyond that age bracket. You know... just a bit before the times people's balls drop and intermittent pains start happening or there abouts.

Though, if my daughter had one of these 'educational' courses I'd want to sit in and see what's involved. Ultimately it should be the parents' choice whether they want their child to partake.

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Posted by serenidad
sorry, when i said surgery, i also meant treatments as well. it seems like in most cases, the actual surgery happens when these ppl are around 20 according to several examples i’ve seen (i think 20 is way too young too though. no one really knows wtf they’re doing at 20…still in the process of searching…figuring stuff out…their character/their preferences/the direction they wanna take in life, nothing is solidified yet at 20…) but yeah the treatments, even though it’s reversible, i don’t think it’s something kids should be preoccupied with at their age. as you have mentioned, there are much more serious issues going on that don’t receive the same amount of attention as the trans issue. they’re not being tackled and approached with the same intensity and urgency as the lgbtq/trans issue.

i mentioned somewhere in this thread but bullying being one example. equipping kids with crucial life skills being another.

what i’m trying to say is there are things that require greater attention BEFORE the trans issue should ever enter the picture. we can agree to disagree on this one. :/

“The proposed and recently passed bills from the conservative right are to ban any mention lgbtq existence in the classroom and curriculum. Ban lgbtq school clubs, limit which sports teams transgender players can participate on. Enforce gender pronouns per the biological sex not the chosen gender of the child and as requested by the parent! But most alarmingly it criminalizes medical professionals who provide gender affirming care at the request of the parent which includes counseling, a child's choice to alter dress and presentation, and in rare cases the use of drugs to delay puberty or hormones during adolescence. “

you’re right. to ban any mention of lgbtq is going a bit too far. as findingbalance said, extremes are dangerous. we shouldn’t deny the existence of trans and lgbtq as that could lead to more suicide cases and hate crimes.

the goal is to make everyone feel seen and safe. we don’t wanna make anyone feel like they have no where to turn to.

so, i’m not against lgbtq/trans education. but i’m saying that they’re doing it too early.

you’re a very kind person for caring about lgbtq. i wanna make that clear.

but here’s the thing;

if adults are confused, i can only imagine how confused a kid would be. the two adults being interviewed in this video went from

female——>male——>female once again

in adulthood. (sorry, it’s in japanese cuz i live in japan) the first person said she felt uncomfortable being treated as a girl at first so she decided to have the surgery to turn male at 20, only to develop a sudden interest in cross dressing (dressing like a woman and passing herself off as a woman), she said she became jaded about being treated like a man and wanted to try something “different” :/ once she got more skilled with cross dressing and people actually started believing she’s a female, she felt happy and her life felt exciting again. :/

so in her 30s, she went and had another surgery to turn back into female. :/ she no longer feels uncomfortable being treated as female (the gender she was born with in the first place).

the second woman had the surgery at 22 to turn into a man, but once she started balding (due to male hormone treatment) , she suddenly decided she wanted to be a woman again :/ she said she wasn’t expecting to go bald with the treatments and being a man wasn’t all it cracked up to be after all.

the balding happened while she was still in her 20s.

i’ll leave you to decide what to make of it. i’m aware that it isn’t my place to tell anyone they can’t change their genders whenever they feel like it but i’m saying if adults are this confused, what makes you think children aren’t/won’t be?

By this logic 20 yrs olds should not be allowed to choose a major.

They shouldn't be allowed to choose a career.

Or a romantic partner.

Or have a child

Or buy a house.

After all, according to you no one knows wtf they are doing at 20, nothing is solidified.

The only people approaching the "trans issue" with the urgency you describe are the same people who seek to control and diminish trans and gay rights and existence. Trans people don't care about trans people as much as these crazy conservatives demanding to inspect childrens genitals before letting them into a restroom.

Children are being bullied for being gay and trans. Not just by their peers, that stuff you can overcome, but by literal legislation taking away their fundamental rights.

I don't care if parents want to control what their children are exposed to. That is their right. I care if you try to inflict your will and morals on other parents and how they choose to raise and support their children.
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"I care if you try to inflict your will and morals on other parents and how they choose to raise and support their children."


But this is what you are doing.


But you still refuse to address the basic root of the issue. Do you work for a charity which gets money for these topics?


The video discussed previously highlighted exactly what I'm talking about.


"first person said she felt uncomfortable being treated as a girl at first so she decided to have the surgery to turn male at 20, only to develop a sudden interest in cross dressing (dressing like a woman and passing herself off as a woman), she said she became jaded about being treated like a man and wanted to try something “different” :/ once she got more skilled with cross dressing and people actually started believing she’s a female, she felt happy and her life felt exciting again. :/


so in her 30s, she went and had another surgery to turn back into female. :/ she no longer feels uncomfortable being treated as female (the gender she was born with in the first place)."


Why are we fighting to give kids who's bodies are still growing and evolving hormones?? Do we actually think, as a society, we know better than nature? That altering what by nature is supposed to happen (growth hormones), we're not going to experience negative effects?


Why are we NOT fighting instead to stop "treating like a girl" "dressing like a girl"? Drag queens and cross dressing wouldn't even be a thing, because both would be moot. Dresses are unisex. Makeup and heels are unisex. Three piece suits are unisex.


Why are we not fighting to support kids through an extremely confusing time by helping them understand how temporary time is, and that letting their body actually grow is ok,OK, that they will have time to do as they please to it once it's done, and that's for their health?


I say these things with people I care about on both sides of this divide. And some very far on both sides. Some who have had sex changes, some who "act" like they're into the lgbtq when its to please parents who are as vehement as you are (ironically whilst maintaining a traditional relationship). Some who feel like it's against God's will for same sex relationships to exist. It's damaging in various ways, being excessive in either direction. I do wonder how anyone can feel they know the TRUTH of the universe from their miniscule bubble in it.

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@findingbalance

i feel like you have honestly remained the most level headed and neutral and progressive thinking in this entire discussion. i honestly think you summed it up the best by saying “leaning on ANY particular side too much is dangerous”. i feel like there is no single right answer to this issue but rejecting nature, growth processes of children and science is just downright unwise and i guess that’s where i have an issue with most ; people thinking they know better than nature. also making dangerous, decisions that have long term consequences on a whim or because a kid “feels like it”.

i learned so much from you and the fact that you’re also lgbtq makes your argument stronger ‘cause you’re not an outsider looking in. you’ve been through the complex emotions, the inner conflict, the prejudice from society, that i also went through. but that doesn’t mean we can change/manipulate nature and the natural growth process of children.

feelings aren’t as reliable as people wanna believe it is.

Posted by Rimzy
Separation of school, government and church is critical because it removes freedom of religion.


The issue with removing any education related to sex being taught at school, is complete ignorance and through ignorance breed’s misinformation and shame regarding sex. Our boomer parents are a product of that environment, they knew what sex was at a young age but they were ashamed of any bodily functions.


Example: are you their god, it’s me Margaret (book).


Now as times have changed and inclusion is becoming increasingly important, sexual orientation is now more common but it’s not necessarily because it’s more prevalent today…people have always had sexual orientations that differ since the dawn of time. It was just never allowed to be discussed due in large part to religion condemning anyone who didn’t fit the mould and that mould was necessary to increase birth rates= increasing Christians and Catholics, so more donations are made and a larger following is born.


So now in modern times, due to inclusion there are now defined terms of sexuality and through those terms is a level of base understanding of what they mean. It doesn’t mean an identity is being formed for a child, that identity in most children is already there from the age of 4 upwards. Many people who identify as any of the lgbtq are children when they first identify themselves, and many have always been afraid of voicing that due to our culture as a society.


Men have always been gay

Women have always been lesbians


For all we know, Jesus was a travelling gay man that was in a gang and did some weird shit in the desert and did some mushrooms 🍄 with his flock of men…tripping.


Our society bases its values on Christian beliefs and that very ignorance is in your OP.


Children are not being taught sexuality, they’re being included in allowing information about their own beliefs that haven’t been identified yet.

Only problem is gender doesn't actually exist, it's a social construct, so what exactly are they identifying as?

In the case of Caitlyn Jenner it seems to bottle down to a desire of wearing specific items of clothing and makeup and not much else. So is that a woman then? 🤔

What prevents a biological male to act, behave and think anyway they please and still be biological males? Seems like they are mostly creating problems they are supposedly trying to solve by making the future generation even more neurotic:

I remember when I grew up the idea of

gender WAS the problem - now they have created 1,345,888 new problems lol.

Ppl cannot even objectively define what a gender is except to themselves in their own heads which I'm pretty sure is a clinical sign of insanity.

You can be a born man and be anyway you please. You can be a born woman and be anyway you please. There are still only two sexes. And your gender ID (-eals) is a fantasy. Facts to live by.

Posted by serenidad
i’ve seen a few news stories of cases where a person underwent transgender surgery only to realize it was a mistake later on…

Yeah this is gonna be a major problem in years to come. I just hope ppl who butchered children and put them on puberty blockers will see same punishment as the Nazi "doctors".

A lot of current day gender dysphoria is basically what anorexia was among teenage girls in the 90's . Abigail Shrier goes into great detail about it in her research and book. It cannot be dismissed any longer considering the growing number of successful transitions that end up in regret. There is no other type of surgery where ppl have 2nd thoughts if it's a successful one but sex transition. I mean wake up ffs

All of you who are supporting children being coerced into sex mutilation just remember you are as disgusting as this Nazi wannabe social worker. Just to put things in perspective for you

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Posted by serenidad

i’ve seen a few news stories of cases where a person underwent transgender surgery only to realize it was a mistake later on…

Yeah this is gonna be a major problem in years to come. I just hope ppl who butchered children and put them on puberty blockers will see same punishment as the Nazi "doctors".


A lot of current day gender dysphoria is basically what anorexia was among teenage girls in the 90's . Abigail Shrier goes into great detail about it in her research and book. It cannot be dismissed any longer considering the growing number of successful transitions that end up in regret. There is no other type of surgery where ppl have 2nd thoughts if it's a successful one but sex transition. I mean wake up ffs

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not sure if you saw my post regarding this video but

even as an lgbtq person, i couldn’t wrap my head around their weird, zero accountability logic.

basically, i find it ironic how these people are the ones screaming “gender this, gender that” ,

“accept us”, “give us our rights”

yet they are the ones who seem to have the LEAST respect for gender and this is proven by the way they think it’s perfectly ok to change their gender identity like they change their fashion or something.

“i *thought* i wanted to be a man but once i went bald, i didn’t wanna be a man anymore “

??

tf? how convenient is that

if you really wanted to be a man from the bottom of your soul, you take the good with the bad. you accept every single part of being a man. not just the pleasant parts.

she basically went back to being a female cuz being a man wasn’t all it cracked up to be. the hormone treatments made her bald and that was enough for her to be like, “you know what? i actually don’t wanna be a man no more” and made a round trip and became a woman again.

and the other one was like “i suddenly wanted to cross dress. it started feeling exciting to be recognized as a woman” after she just had surgery to become a man.

so…like….what was all that trouble for?

it’s not even that these people don’t know their genders. they simply don’t know themselves, period.

the real issue here is poor self awareness.

not gender.

i dunno how common this “round trip trans” situation is or will be in the future but i can’t take it seriously.

and towards the end of the show, they were blaming the doctors , saying how they were left alone after the treatments

it’s almost like, according to them, nothing is ever their own fault.

left alone after the treatments? that happens to everyone who comes in and out of any hospital/clinic. even cancer patients. doctors don’t wait on you hand and foot. if you got a problem during the healing stage after the treatment, it’s your job to contact the doctor and get it solved.

i’m aware that it’s part of human nature to have a change of mind but these people seem to think nothing of changing their gender identity like they change their fashion or something.

which proves they really have no respect for gender identity.

and yet they want us to stop everything we’re doing and pay attention to their woes?

gender isn’t fashion. fuck outta here.

these wishy washy whimsical people are making it harder for lgbtq who are actually in turmoil/suffering and need to be taken seriously.

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Posted by serenidad
sorry, when i said surgery, i also meant treatments as well. it seems like in most cases, the actual surgery happens when these ppl are around 20 according to several examples i’ve seen (i think 20 is way too young too though. no one really knows wtf they’re doing at 20…still in the process of searching…figuring stuff out…their character/their preferences/the direction they wanna take in life, nothing is solidified yet at 20…) but yeah the treatments, even though it’s reversible, i don’t think it’s something kids should be preoccupied with at their age. as you have mentioned, there are much more serious issues going on that don’t receive the same amount of attention as the trans issue. they’re not being tackled and approached with the same intensity and urgency as the lgbtq/trans issue.

i mentioned somewhere in this thread but bullying being one example. equipping kids with crucial life skills being another.

what i’m trying to say is there are things that require greater attention BEFORE the trans issue should ever enter the picture. we can agree to disagree on this one. :/

“The proposed and recently passed bills from the conservative right are to ban any mention lgbtq existence in the classroom and curriculum. Ban lgbtq school clubs, limit which sports teams transgender players can participate on. Enforce gender pronouns per the biological sex not the chosen gender of the child and as requested by the parent! But most alarmingly it criminalizes medical professionals who provide gender affirming care at the request of the parent which includes counseling, a child's choice to alter dress and presentation, and in rare cases the use of drugs to delay puberty or hormones during adolescence. “

you’re right. to ban any mention of lgbtq is going a bit too far. as findingbalance said, extremes are dangerous. we shouldn’t deny the existence of trans and lgbtq as that could lead to more suicide cases and hate crimes.

the goal is to make everyone feel seen and safe. we don’t wanna make anyone feel like they have no where to turn to.

so, i’m not against lgbtq/trans education. but i’m saying that they’re doing it too early.

you’re a very kind person for caring about lgbtq. i wanna make that clear.

but here’s the thing;

if adults are confused, i can only imagine how confused a kid would be. the two adults being interviewed in this video went from

female——>male——>female once again

in adulthood. (sorry, it’s in japanese cuz i live in japan) the first person said she felt uncomfortable being treated as a girl at first so she decided to have the surgery to turn male at 20, only to develop a sudden interest in cross dressing (dressing like a woman and passing herself off as a woman), she said she became jaded about being treated like a man and wanted to try something “different” :/ once she got more skilled with cross dressing and people actually started believing she’s a female, she felt happy and her life felt exciting again. :/

so in her 30s, she went and had another surgery to turn back into female. :/ she no longer feels uncomfortable being treated as female (the gender she was born with in the first place).

the second woman had the surgery at 22 to turn into a man, but once she started balding (due to male hormone treatment) , she suddenly decided she wanted to be a woman again :/ she said she wasn’t expecting to go bald with the treatments and being a man wasn’t all it cracked up to be after all.

the balding happened while she was still in her 20s.

i’ll leave you to decide what to make of it. i’m aware that it isn’t my place to tell anyone they can’t change their genders whenever they feel like it but i’m saying if adults are this confused, what makes you think children aren’t/won’t be?

By this logic 20 yrs olds should not be allowed to choose a major.

They shouldn't be allowed to choose a career.

Or a romantic partner.

Or have a child

Or buy a house.

After all, according to you no one knows wtf they are doing at 20, nothing is solidified.


The only people approaching the "trans issue" with the urgency you describe are the same people who seek to control and diminish trans and gay rights and existence. Trans people don't care about trans people as much as these crazy conservatives demanding to inspect childrens genitals before letting them into a restroom.


Children are being bullied for being gay and trans. Not just by their peers, that stuff you can overcome, but by literal legislation taking away their fundamental rights.


I don't care if parents want to control what their children are exposed to. That is their right. I care if you try to inflict your will and morals on other parents and how they choose to raise and support their children.

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thank you for saying it

Posted by LadyNeptune




By this logic 20 yrs olds should not be allowed to choose a major.
They shouldn't be allowed to choose a career.
Or a romantic partner.
Or have a child
Or buy a house.
After all, according to you no one knows wtf they are doing at 20, nothing is solidified.

The only people approaching the "trans issue" with the urgency you describe are the same people who seek to control and diminish trans and gay rights and existence. Trans people don't care about trans people as much as these crazy conservatives demanding to inspect childrens genitals before letting them into a restroom.

Children are being bullied for being gay and trans. Not just by their peers, that stuff you can overcome, but by literal legislation taking away their fundamental rights.

I don't care if parents want to control what their children are exposed to. That is their right. I care if you try to inflict your will and morals on other parents and how they choose to raise and support their children.

Going by that logic children should be free to have sex too without their narrowminded parents meddling.

You truly are deranged. Makes me wonder about your own parents.

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Posted by LadyNeptune





By this logic 20 yrs olds should not be allowed to choose a major.

They shouldn't be allowed to choose a career.

Or a romantic partner.

Or have a child

Or buy a house.

After all, according to you no one knows wtf they are doing at 20, nothing is solidified.


The only people approaching the "trans issue" with the urgency you describe are the same people who seek to control and diminish trans and gay rights and existence. Trans people don't care about trans people as much as these crazy conservatives demanding to inspect childrens genitals before letting them into a restroom.


Children are being bullied for being gay and trans. Not just by their peers, that stuff you can overcome, but by literal legislation taking away their fundamental rights.


I don't care if parents want to control what their children are exposed to. That is their right. I care if you try to inflict your will and morals on other parents and how they choose to raise and support their children.

Going by that logic children should be free to have sex too without their narrowminded parents meddling.


You truly are deranged. Makes me wonder about your own parents.

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the sad thing is, absolutely none of these ppl here agreeing with hormonal treatments on kids/early sex education for kids are gonna be willing to take any responsibility for any physical or psychological damage that may happen in the future to these same kids.

they’re just agreeing ‘cause it seems “kind” or “right” for the time being but it’s just irresponsible kindness that doesn’t take into consideration the long term effects of anything…