We still need FEMINISM

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there are suckers born every minute

There may be a need across the uncivilized globe, but we sure as hell don't need any more in the USA.

Posted by CapTenn
There may be a need across the uncivilized globe, but we sure as hell don't need any more in the USA.

Agreed. We already have a bunch a fat, barking, fart sniffing cuds around. Anymore and the next president will look like a burger.

🙂

And can't their father do that job for them? Hmm?

Posted by Sugarfoot
Definition of Feminism: the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

Feminist = Anyone who supports feminism

Why aren't we all feminists then? What's so bad about being a feminist? Where's the hate coming from? Even if I were a man, I'd want women to have equal footing. When women don't, you see the atrocities in the above videos. You see women being traded, bought, and sold like cattle instead of human beings. You see a blind eye being turned when a woman is abused. You see women working the same job as a man but getting paid less than him. You see a man entering a female dominated industry and being promoted to the top in a fraction of the time than the female employees currently holding the same positions.

Is that how feminist haters would like their daughter treated? Are those things ok to you?

Equalitarian or Humanist.

Feminist/Feminism isn't even a movement anymore, it's grew into an ideology/philosophy. You can find rad-fems advocating wiping out all but 10% of men in the world, ones that want prostitution legalized, ones that want all penis-in-vagina sex labeled and classified as rape, along with ones that believe any statistic they here and one who just things Feminism is just actually doing what the dictionary says it does, aiming for equality with men.

I'm all for living your life with your rights respected along with your agency in making choices for your body, career and general well being.

Feminism's actions are all over the place, so can't be said it's aiming for that. They never point out flaws in the system that works in their favor, some say and believe and some of the most misandric/misogynistic things and ideas AND for trying to push the whole image of "strong and independent" have produced the most damaged weak willed and spoiled women I've ever seen.

As for other countries, as much as horrible as things are, it's not OUR business in the end. Yes, you can say it's horrible and needs to stop, but that countries people need to stand and fight that battle. You can't fight it for them without reducing them to helpless objects that need saving.

Don't get me wrong though, I'm all for anyone who strongly believes in changing things there, to network, support groups and leaders rallying to end the practices you see unfit, unethical or inhumane.

Posted by starlover
We need people to be kind and considerate to each other more than anything, regardless of gender


Women need to teach their sons how to treat and respect women and not to cower or run away when women challenge them and to show their daughters how to treat men well


Hopefully we are moving towards this?

Trying with questionable results.
I'm not giving them an A-for effort, that's for sure.

Posted by Sugarfoot
@Sirhorns

I'm not advocating anything radical or extreme, only equality. I do believe it is our business to stand up for injustices and inequalities no matter what country we are in. I really don't have an us vs. them mentality. We're all human beings in the end and should be treated as such. That's partly why the United Nations exists.

I suppose I should elaborate on what I meant on that part of it being their business.
Let's focus on the Live Organ Harvesting going on In China.
It's bad. Really bad. The United Nations has gotten on China about it.
UNLESS the Chinese people push it as a major issue needing to be dealt with, it won't be dealt with.
No matter how much the other Countries say it should stop.

See what I mean?

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Posted by SirHorns

Posted by starlover
We need people to be kind and considerate to each other more than anything, regardless of gender


Women need to teach their sons how to treat and respect women and not to cower or run away when women challenge them and to show their daughters how to treat men well


Hopefully we are moving towards this?

Trying with questionable results.
I'm not giving them an A-for effort, that's for sure.

Who is *them*, Horns?

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Humanity as a whole.
Those poor Aquas have a LOT of work to do with that hot mess of a group. Yeesh.

Posted by SirHorns

Posted by starlover
We need people to be kind and considerate to each other more than anything, regardless of gender


Women need to teach their sons how to treat and respect women and not to cower or run away when women challenge them and to show their daughters how to treat men well


Hopefully we are moving towards this?

Trying with questionable results.
I'm not giving them an A-for effort, that's for sure.

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That and she didn't even answer my question. Why can't the father teach their sons how to treat and respect that woman they're with? It'd probably be smoother and easier with the father and less awkward. Less awkward because it's easier to relate with someone like that and everything would feel less forced and pushed upon. Same way with Mother-Daughter, in that case I'd agree with her. But why not Father-son?

Posted by DonJohnson
btw the 55% divorce rate is an escalating percentage. The Murican family is like a plummeting stock.

the female's mind is too malleable. you can justify a leather bag to her for $ 2K. you can sell her divorce.

feminism has made her the completely self centered, entitled and dysfunctional. All she cares about is her happiness even if it's at the risk of her children's dismay.

She does not care she just skyrocketed her boy's delinquency(all supported by facts). she does not care her kids no longer has a real father figure. Nevermind the man. She does not care.

All she cares about is her liberal propaganda that enables her buffoonery

I'd say other things like culture played a helping hand as well in that.
However, even with the stats, if the typical female doesn't care about any consequences just so long as she get's what she wants, then you can only let her sink-or-swim by herself.

Chivalry is almost totally dead.
Women as slowly beginning to be treated like men with just moobs and an inside-out dick that bleeds occasionally. And has generations of youths walking around thinking aside from genitals, men and women are completely and totally the same and everything and way.

Honestly, at this point, I think it's just easier to let things crash and burn and when survives come bug to take care of them, remind them of the Patriarchy and turn them down since you are a male, you oppress everything within a 100-mile radius.

Posted by tiziani
I'm guessing I'm the only one that watched the video but seriously it was interesting.

They said the bridal kidnapping tradition had been traced back to its real origins and it inadvertently came back into heavy rotation in the area BECAUSE the Soviet Union had tried to introduce equality and higher education into their lives.

I thought that was ironic but didn't mention it since these convos usually don't lead to anything other than online tantrums.

Posted by bittersweetLemon
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whole video seemed like a comedy skit

Feminism needs to be fixed before it can begin fixing again. It is not a movement anymore. As of now it is a religion allowing people to point and blame for the benefit of themselves. If there is a city that needs help it is not from this "new feminism". Not only did not improve upon the old one this new generation of feminism has also made women weaker, more susceptible to unhappiness.

It is not empowering.

It is destructive.


If there are people who claim themselves to be apart of a "good feminism" it still does not help to claim that radical and modern feminists are not "true feminists". To say that they are not true feminists is called a "No True Scotsman Fallacy" and by attempting to universally exclude the supposed "untrue feminists" from your ideal feminism you are successfully shielding the name of Feminism from any sort of criticism and it is why many feminists become angry when criticized. Because how can Feminism do any wrong when they were told to believe it can only help?

"New" is referring to the now pervasive feminism going on for decades that spreads the fundamental belief of women always being the victim and the oppressed, allowing for a resentment of the male gender to fester and grow.

I call it "new" because I'm looking at it from the perspective of a feminist apart the "old" generation—the kind that believes in women standing strong on their own responsibility without the need of a man to aid them.

Note all the uproar against "feminism" usually comes from dudes. Funny how that works...

^This sounds like something a feminist who frequents tumblr would say in an attempt to put down and render differing opinions, thoughts, and criticisms moot. They just don't stop with the shaming over there.

"...Funny how that works."

Isn't it telling though? If men and even women are still refusing to apart of the movement then doesn't it mean theres something still inherently wrong from within it? If feminists are so sure feminism is about equality and all that good stuff then why is it that even I don't want to be apart of it? Why is it so ugly? You tell me.

Posted by DonJohnson
btw the 55% divorce rate is an escalating percentage. The Murican family is like a plummeting stock.


the female's mind is too malleable. you can justify a leather bag to her for $ 2K. you can sell her divorce.


feminism has made her the completely self centered, entitled and dysfunctional. All she cares about is her happiness even if it's at the risk of her children's dismay.

She does not care she just skyrocketed her boy's delinquency(all supported by facts). she does not care her kids no longer has a real father figure. Nevermind the man. She does not care.


All she cares about is her liberal propaganda that enables her buffoonery

Yeah and what's your excuse for being the worthless piece of shit that you are?

Self-centered, entitled, dysfunctional. In other words feminism has made women into what men have always been.

Posted by Amandus
^This sounds like something a feminist who frequents tumblr would say in an attempt to put down and render differing opinions, thoughts, and criticisms moot. They just don't stop with the shaming over there.

"...Funny how that works."

Isn't it telling though? If men and even women are still refusing to apart of the movement then doesn't it mean theres something still inherently wrong from within it? If feminists are so sure feminism is about equality and all that good stuff then why is it that even I don't want to be apart of it? Why is it so ugly? You tell me.

An asexual misogynist.

Unlike you, honey, I'm a bit more educated on feminism and how things really work around the world. I've seen your view. You're grossly ignorant and whenever you state your piece on anything related to this topic, it's pathetic. Now shoo.

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Posted by rockyroadicecream
Note all the uproar against "feminism" usually comes from dudes. Funny how that works...

They were comfortable when minorities, including women, stood in the shadows but felt threatened when the minorities stepped out for equal footing.

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Yep. They hate it because it questions their current standing in society- one that they're perfectly comfortable with and don't want threatened. Some can't even begin to understand because they're the privileged gender. So they throw tantrums and sexist logic around.

This is the twerpy ones though. There are guys out there that know what the hell is really going on and understand what the idea of feminism is actually about. You won't hear them coming up with all this twisted logic and bashing of a movement that threatens them.

It's not a coincidence that someone out there started that little splinter of bullshit about feminism being about bra burning and man hating. Just like how they keep everyone divided by race. "They" being the white old men that run this country and are doing everything they can to keep us divided so they can continue their power trip. This isn't recent, either. It's been going on for decades.

So to the dimwit guys in this thread, throwing around their fucked logic, lol.

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Posted by DonJohnson
btw the 55% divorce rate is an escalating percentage. The Murican family is like a plummeting stock.


the female's mind is too malleable. you can justify a leather bag to her for $ 2K. you can sell her divorce.


feminism has made her the completely self centered, entitled and dysfunctional. All she cares about is her happiness even if it's at the risk of her children's dismay.

She does not care she just skyrocketed her boy's delinquency(all supported by facts). she does not care her kids no longer has a real father figure. Nevermind the man. She does not care.


All she cares about is her liberal propaganda that enables her buffoonery

Yeah and what's your excuse for being the worthless piece of shit that you are?

Self-centered, entitled, dysfunctional. In other words feminism has made women into what men have always been.

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+1

That snippet of his right there is an amazing example of why feminism needs to be around in this country.

Third world has it pretty bad though. We're not in that status anymore, but guys like him are why this post was created. Despite all the progress, more still needs to be made. We have this wave of man children who are reverting to a 1950s mindset and it's disturbing and fucked.

Last post, but I urge all of you, especially these naysayers, to take this quiz.

http://areyouafeminist.com/

It's really easy and takes 2 seconds to do.

Some hate it because its pushy and forces itself upon everyone else to believe their idea of equality or else they believe that you're a sexist Fascist. I believe in equality on most terms. Just feminisms victimizing nazism bullshit. Really why do they just allow these hobknockers to run loose and honestly put up with it

Posted by rockyroadicecream

An asexual misogynist.

Unlike you, honey, I'm a bit more educated on feminism and how things really work around the world. I've seen your view. You're grossly ignorant and whenever you state your piece on anything related to this topic, it's pathetic. Now shoo.

...A bit more educated? Oh please elaborate. I'm willing to bet its more poison about how society is still skewed against women. And boy don't I know it. Even a young child can see and identify when people are being subject to violence and oppression. I don't see how something like this needs be taught and expanded upon unless there is an agenda being set in motion.

What really grinds my gears is the attitude feminists like you carry around about how feminism can only do good, that if you're not apart of it then you're not for equality (it's actually not equality you guys aim for it's parity), and going on about what it's "really" about...

Get off it! This is exactly why I am opposing it! It's like you're not even aware of the other chunk of you that excels at dumping toxic shit under the same banner. Many of you even go so far as to claim that they aren't actually feminists when they absolutely are by definition and turn a blind eye away from them—the opposite of what we should be doing.

You think I'm worried about my social standing as a man? I am a minority myself so I never had much stand on and I know full well it must be earned so get off of that too! You people have taken this social standing bullshit so far that we now have disabled men in wheelchairs believing they are still more privileged than a millionaire woman.

I say fuck this mindset!


I don't need feminism because I realize that I only need to be myself to be able to make the world a little better for anyone—to do the right thing. Why do I need to be a feminist just to be thought of as a good person? It's so fucked up it's hilarious.

But you know what? So be it.

@Amandus

And then they make up issues like the pay gap between men and women. There's no pay gap, it never existed. If they're facing sexism at work or their job is really low paying. Then they should leave and get a better job. Low income is related to the profession, sexism on the job can either be ignored or just leave and go somewhere else or better yet reported, you can't blame income on sexism itself on some jobs it's about how well you perform and the hours you put in. Hell even asking your boss for a raise could do (though it probably won't do), but other than that everyone tends to get paid around the same amount so with logic anyone can see there's no gap. It's one of their ways to manipulate everyone into believing they're fighting a good fight. It's like a rotten apple crawling with worms inside. I don't need feminism because I'm my own force who fights for his own reasons and looks back and sees the evil in everyone and everything and knows when a cause is just. And right now, he doesn't see feminism as a just cause in the U.S. Maybe in other parts of the world. But here? No. I don't join the masses of people who accuse the opposite sex of all their problems and say we're all rapists and misogynists. People are better off standing for themselves then falling back on a group that spews a bias message.

Posted by bmoon8
It is sad because it is closing. It is not only effecting the women who go there year after year, it is also effecting the community surrounding it. A lot of times, the farmers and stores were making their year quota because of the influx of business streaming in. The police in that town and the whole community were supportive. Very friendly and nice.

Transgendered men to women were always excluded because they were born male. They did allow transgender women to men in because they were originally born female. Anyway, those trans men to women ruined it for everyone, including the town that was raking in business.

Lol.

Tolerant feminists.

Perfect.

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Posted by bmoon8
It's a shame. This is the last year for the Michigan Womyn's festival. It's a huge feminist festival featuring concerts, camping, and vegetarian food... a long with a bunch of work shops. Been going on for 40 years....

*Goes off and grieves about it*

http://www.shewired.com/music/2015/04/21/years-michigan-womyns-music-festival-will-be-last>Article about it.

This is truly sad.

What's sad is the descrimination against transgendered women.

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Agreed.

T?_rkmens have this custom too. as far as I know.

Posted by enfant_terrible

Self-centered, entitled, dysfunctional. In other words feminism has made women into what men have always been.

Posted by Sugarfoot
And because

In India, China and many other parts of the world today, girls are killed, aborted and abandoned simply because they are girls. The United Nations estimates as many as 200 million girls(1) are missing in the world today because of this so-called —gendercide??.

Girls who survive infancy are often subject to neglect, and many grow up to face extreme violence and even death at the hands of their own husbands or other family members.

The war against girls is rooted in centuries-old tradition and sustained by deeply ingrained cultural dynamics which, in combination with government policies, accelerate the elimination of girls.


//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISme5-9orR0

Shot on location in India and China, It's a Girl reveals the issue. It asks why this is happening, and why so little is being done to save girls and women.

The film tells the stories of abandoned and trafficked girls, of women who suffer extreme dowry-related violence, of brave mothers fighting to save their daughters?? lives, and of other mothers who would kill for a son. Global experts and grassroots activists put the stories in context and advocate different paths towards change, while collectively lamenting the lack of any truly effective action against this injustice.

You can watch It's a Girl on NETFLIX now. I watched it yesterday and I was shocked to learn that gendercide in China and India has gotten worse over time, not better. There is a woman on the movie who strangled 8 of her baby girls as soon as they were born.

There are enormous amounts of women in China who are forced to abort their babies up to the 9th month. Of course, the ones being aborted are mainly girls. Or many times they are just thrown away once born. One-child policy in affect here. The statistics on this are just astonishing and so deeply disturbing.

thank you for posting other examples, Ultra.

I was going to post about the issues in India, China , also the Yemeni child bride as well, but I had a trouble with internet connection right after the bride kidnapping video and coming back only now.

Aborting their baby daughter, that remind me a news I read, that one chinese women noticed that she was bleeding, yat she wasn't on her period, then she went to hospital and found out there were needles in her stomach, which her grandma used to make her sw

* make her swallow when she was a kid, hoping that she would die so that they can have a male child. (one child policy of China)