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I'm a mother of 4 boys. I have a meeting with the school in 2 hours about my kindergartener's behavior. I fear they will pressure me to medicate him because they did the same thing a few years ago with my other son.
I tried two different medicines. The first made my son depressed and sleepy. In 3rd grade he said "mom, it just feels like something is missing in my life." I took him off that shit!
The 2nd didnt seem to do anything but cost an arm and a leg. Quit that too.

Now, my kindergartener is throwing temper tantrums and yells at the other kids when he doesn't get his way. But understand, he has 3 brothers and has never been to daycare. School is very new to him and he is used to standing up for himself with older siblings. He is a very sweet boy, however, and is good at sharing especially with his baby brother.

I'm just irritated with the school! Not everyone is a robot that can sit at a desk and act perfect. He is a boy..with spunk..and energy and a personality overflowing!

Thoughts? Experience?
If you are interested, he is a July 1st baby.
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There is no way in hell I would medicate my young child into a zombie to make them easier for the teacher to deal with. I don't know about your school district, but here, the school gets more $ $ $ the more students they have with "disabilities". I seriously hear this all the time from parents...it's happening more and more frequently. Teachers and schools pushing for an ADD diagnosis with kids.

You know your kids. Do they need more structure and discipline? Is he jumping off of walls and causing terror everywhere he goes?

Before you put him on meds, get him tested, get 2nd and 3rd opinions. Not by a family doctor...go to a pysch who specializes in learning disabilites. GP's love to write scripts for everything. Change his diet. Do your research. Do whatever you can to prevent medicating them.



No, he does not bounce off the walls or terrorize. He is a very smart boy and can sit and color and helps cook and I think he just has normal amounts of energy for a 5 year old boy.
I think he is just figuring school out. Testing his teachers to see what he can get away with.
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I understand rules and discipline and punishments. I am on board with giving consequences and the child gets punishment for bad behavior.

I disagree with medicating after 4 weeks of kindergarten.

Wouldn't it be nice to live in a society where I didnt have to work and I could homeschool? Actually..nah, I think it's good for kids to socialize.



You call him screaming at other kids socializing? No parent (who doesn't scream at their kid) wants to send their kid to a school only to be traumatised by a shrieking banshee.
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Btw, why should teachers waste a valuable amount of time (meant for lessons) telling 1 bratty child to be quiet? She has other kids to attend to & her own work to do. It's also unfair to the other kids, their learning time is being delayed.. learning time which their parents are paying for. Other children's education shouldn't suffer over 1 unruly child, sorry.



If he truly has a learning disability, which they're obviously pushing for, they HAVE to make accomodations for him...whether he's medicated or not.
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Don't they have separate classes or schools that deal only with that?
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Btw, why should teachers waste a valuable amount of time (meant for lessons) telling 1 bratty child to be quiet? She has other kids to attend to & her own work to do. It's also unfair to the other kids, their learning time is being delayed.. learning time which their parents are paying for. Other children's education shouldn't suffer over 1 unruly child, sorry.



In your way of thinking then only the very brightest children deserve an education. What about the child that doesn't understand after the teacher explains her lesson the first time and she has to go over it again? The other children have to wait.
I guess that child should just be kicked out cuz they are holding up class.

People are different. This world is made up of all kinds and everyone deserves patience and understanding. People don't all learn the same way.
Some have longer attention spans, some learn better hands on, or visually.
The idea that only the "perfect" child deserves to be in school is crazy.
My oldest is that "perfect" child. And sure, that is easier! But it's not everyone.
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Btw, why should teachers waste a valuable amount of time (meant for lessons) telling 1 bratty child to be quiet? She has other kids to attend to & her own work to do. It's also unfair to the other kids, their learning time is being delayed.. learning time which their parents are paying for. Other children's education shouldn't suffer over 1 unruly child, sorry.



In your way of thinking then only the very brightest children deserve an education. What about the child that doesn't understand after the teacher explains her lesson the first time and she has to go over it again? The other children have to wait.
I guess that child should just be kicked out cuz they are holding up class.

People are different. This world is made up of all kinds and everyone deserves patience and understanding. People don't all learn the same way.
Some have longer attention spans, some learn better hands on, or visually.
The idea that only the "perfect" child deserves to be in school is crazy.
My oldest is that "perfect" child. And sure, that is easier! But it's not everyone.
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You're putting words in my mouth now, I said nothing about smartness, I only talked about unruly behaviour, so I don't know where you get all that from. FIY, a kid doesn't need to be a genius to know how to sit down when they are told to sit down, it's called manners.
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Screaming like a banshee? What picture do u have in your head.
Like if the kid next to him steals his crayon, he yells.. Rather than calmly and professionally choosing a different crayon like a wuss, he demands his crayon back..loudly.

I suppose the little theif kid should be kicked outta school too. They are 5 year olds!



In your head, yelling at other kids instead of talking is perfectly ok? Well it's obviously not ok to the teacher & it sure as hell won't be okay to the other parents whose kids eardrums are being burst by your kid.
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He has manners. Says please, thank you, yes ma'am, no sir.
But at home, there is never an occasion where he HAS to sit for hours without getting up. And older siblings naturally "pick" on younger ones. He defends himself.

No, I don't encourage screaming.. But parenting isn't perfect, and I believe this is a stage..he'll learn..get through it.. "Conform" if you will. It's a process. Kids take a lot of patience.

Im not medicating him so he is easier to "deal" with. He needs to learn the consequences naturally and figure out how to act at school. It obviously will take more than 4 weeks.
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Don't they have separate classes or schools that deal only with that?



You're obviously pretty clueless on the topic. Are you a parent or do you even know any young children? lol.

There are different learning style s. Not everyone is an auditory learning. They don't learn by listening, no matter how hard they try. They need to see it or read it themselves.

He should not be yelling at other kids or anyone for that matter...true. He should have learned that at home. But that doesn't mean he should be locked in a cage and segregated from other kids.
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I'm not clueless, I simply live in a different continent hence why I asked the question in the 1st place. Did you think I asked it for fun? Yes I'm a mother, and?
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So wait, if a kid is running wild, like kids usually do, especially boys, they just MEDICATE them? Tell me I'm missing something here!

I'd just tell them to go fuck themselves. They don't work on an assembly line, they are dealing with kids who come with different tempers and characters. It's their job to deal with every one of them... non-discriminatory!
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He has manners. Says please, thank you, yes ma'am, no sir.
But at home, there is never an occasion where he HAS to sit for hours without getting up. And older siblings naturally "pick" on younger ones. He defends himself.

No, I don't encourage screaming.. But parenting isn't perfect, and I believe this is a stage..he'll learn..get through it.. "Conform" if you will. It's a process. Kids take a lot of patience.

Im not medicating him so he is easier to "deal" with. He needs to learn the consequences naturally and figure out how to act at school. It obviously will take more than 4 weeks.



I'm not saying medicate him, it's not my place to say what you should do with your child, nor is it a place for another person. So talk to him, you obviously taught him all this other stuff about Sirs & whatnot. Also teach him that it's not good to yell, etc.
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There is no way in hell I would medicate my young child into a zombie to make them easier for the teacher to deal with. I don't know about your school district, but here, the school gets more $ $ $ the more students they have with "disabilities". I seriously hear this all the time from parents...it's happening more and more frequently. Teachers and schools pushing for an ADD diagnosis with kids.

You know your kids. Do they need more structure and discipline? Is he jumping off of walls and causing terror everywhere he goes?

Before you put him on meds, get him tested, get 2nd and 3rd opinions. Not by a family doctor...go to a pysch who specializes in learning disabilites. GP's love to write scripts for everything. Change his diet. Do your research. Do whatever you can to prevent medicating them.



I agree 110% . Schools get more money when more children are 'classified' and they take full advantage.
My 10 year old just started 5th grade. He's in racing, karate, and other activities. Out of all of his friends he has 2, yes, only 2, that aren't on medication to alter their personalities. It's disgusting.
I could go on for hours about this, but I won't. I'll just say I have experience with it and am very much against medicating children.
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Posted by WaterCup
Btw, why should teachers waste a valuable amount of time (meant for lessons) telling 1 bratty child to be quiet? She has other kids to attend to & her own work to do. It's also unfair to the other kids, their learning time is being delayed.. learning time which their parents are paying for. Other children's education shouldn't suffer over 1 unruly child, sorry.



Oh my, WC-- it's Kindergarten.

And while I agree with your last statement, I think "unruly" isn't necessarily the reason for medication.

I worked with kids for years-- and the most unruly among them usually learned differently than the other kids.

They were VERY bright-- they just learned actively/hands-on, and had trouble sitting still.

Also, some kids are younger than others when first entering school, which may have a lot to do with it.

When they're that little, six months can make a huge difference. 🙂


@Pisceslove-- have you considered Montessori?



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No one can make you medicate him.
They can suggest anything they want all day.
Only you, as a parent, or your healthcare provider has the power to decide what is right for your child.

Your child does need to learn appropriate behavior though. You can't just expect the school to "deal with it."

I think kindergarten is very young, especially for boys.

My son is a Libra and he has a hard time sitting still, though he is getting better. It's usually hard in the beginning of the year but once the teachers get to know him they develop strategies to deal with him and it gets better. And every year, he picks up strategies too, but we have to keep on top of him, especially with organization stuff.

My son has never been disruptive in school though, he is just very energetic and he is disorganized and forgetful.

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Btw, why should teachers waste a valuable amount of time (meant for lessons) telling 1 bratty child to be quiet? She has other kids to attend to & her own work to do. It's also unfair to the other kids, their learning time is being delayed.. learning time which their parents are paying for. Other children's education shouldn't suffer over 1 unruly child, sorry.



Oh my, WC-- it's Kindergarten.

And while I agree with your last statement, I think "unruly" isn't necessarily the reason for medication.

I worked with kids for years-- and the most unruly among them usually learned differently than the other kids.

They were VERY bright-- they just learned actively/hands-on, and had trouble sitting still.

Also, some kids are younger than others when first entering school, which may have a lot to do with it.

When they're that little, six months can make a huge difference. 🙂


@Pisceslove-- have you considered Montessori?



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TBH with you, I don't care if it's Kindergarten or Eton, I pay the fees & I expect them to be taught something while in there, not spend time focusing on Little Lord Something-Something. I don't play like that. If I didn't want him to learn, I'd leave him at home with aunt Jemima.
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Nothing annoys me more than parents who make excuses for their kids' bad behaviour. My child was hit by another child at his pre-school. He hit him with something under the eye & he was bleeding. I got a call at work from the school telling me to come over. I was furious! I thought he needed stitches or something. When I got there this other child's mom was there, cool as a cucumber while explaining how her son hits them too, etc. I almost saw stars & wanted to strangle her. I don't care if he gives all them a black eye each & a fat lip, he is not going to do it to MY child. I didnt sent my child there looking like Chucky with a scarred face & I expect him to look the same way when he comes home. I told her off good & made her pay the Dr's fees too. Keep your little thug at home if he can't play nicely with others.
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Pardon me WC, but there is no such thing as a class of ten well-behaved kids and ONE unruly child. There are only different types of "unruly".

Unless the kid is diagnosed with something and requires special attention or needs to attend some sort of "special peoples" class due to his disorder, being obnoctious is a part of growing up and also a part of the teacher profession dealing with different types of kids... or shall I say, personalities. School is not only about learning history and math, it's also about learning interaction with others and because all people are different, your kid is getting a more valuable lesson than fractions.
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After the meeting:
He has been tested on his development. Everything was average except his communication skills are high and his social skills are low.

He does much better in smaller groups. He is the youngest in the class.

This is definately the largest structured environment he has been exposed to. Class of 25 kids.

The problem is his tantrums. I do see this at home. There are consequences: spanking, time out. I'll try to be even more consistant with this and hopefully he can change this behavior. The teacher says he can control it.. Turns it off and on when he wants to.. Little rascal.
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Posted by PiscesLoves
I'm a mother of 4 boys. I have a meeting with the school in 2 hours about my kindergartener's behavior. I fear they will pressure me to medicate him because they did the same thing a few years ago with my other son.
I tried two different medicines. The first made my son depressed and sleepy. In 3rd grade he said "mom, it just feels like something is missing in my life." I took him off that shit!
The 2nd didnt seem to do anything but cost an arm and a leg. Quit that too.

Now, my kindergartener is throwing temper tantrums and yells at the other kids when he doesn't get his way. But understand, he has 3 brothers and has never been to daycare. School is very new to him and he is used to standing up for himself with older siblings. He is a very sweet boy, however, and is good at sharing especially with his baby brother.

I'm just irritated with the school! Not everyone is a robot that can sit at a desk and act perfect. He is a boy..with spunk..and energy and a personality overflowing!

Thoughts? Experience?
If you are interested, he is a July 1st baby.



Unless it's a school of medicine, they are NOT doctors, and so they CANNOT diagnose anything. They didn't study medicine and that's not what they're practicing. They have no authority over this.
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But we can agree on one thing, WC-- parents are usually the real children. I can't f'cking stand parents! Especially those parents who side with their kids no matter what they do.

When I got into a fight as a kid my main concern was whether or not my parents would find about it, because no matter who started it I would be in big trouble. But parents these days will get into a fight with eachother over their stupid kids. We've actually had a case where the father beat the shit out of both the other kids parents and is serving a four year sentence for battery. lol
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Pardon me WC, but there is no such thing as a class of ten well-behaved kids and ONE unruly child. There are only different types of "unruly".

Unless the kid is diagnosed with something and requires special attention or needs to attend some sort of "special peoples" class due to his disorder, being obnoctious is a part of growing up and also a part of the teacher profession dealing with different types of kids... or shall I say, personalities. School is not only about learning history and math, it's also about learning interaction with others and because all people are different, your kid is getting a more valuable lesson than fractions.



I didn't say there was, but like you say, there are different kinds of unruly. There's a normal & then there's the one that needs a sitting with the parent to discuss the child's behaviour. The teachers knows the difference & so do some parents.
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To be clear, I'm not defending his tantrums. It is a problem I want to fix. I do not want him disturbing the class. I also want him to sit his butt down and take full advantage of the opportunity to learn.

The only point I am (apparently unsuccessfully) trying to make is that "acting up" is perfectly normal.. Not prefered.. But natural for a 5 year old boy and I think the problem can be addressed without prematurely jumping to "disability" "medication".
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But we can agree on one thing, WC-- parents are usually the real children. I can't f'cking stand parents! Especially those parents who side with their kids no matter what they do.

When I got into a fight as a kid my main concern was whether or not my parents would find about it, because no matter who started it I would be in big trouble. But parents these days will get into a fight with eachother over their stupid kids. We've actually had a case where the father beat the shit out of both the other kids parents and is serving a four year sentence for battery. lol



Exactly! It all starts with the parent/s. My child is not perfect & he is an only child, so he is very possessive of his toys & stuff. He doesn't like sharing when friends come over, when he does that I threaten to send his friends home & when he cries about it I tell him "sharing is caring". He is slowly learning how to share, but he still acts up..I give him one look & he gets what time it is.

Speaking about kids' fights, I know some parents who tell their kids to "go hit him back" every time they get into a fight & I think it's wrong. Some parents are annoying.
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The teacher also informed me that my child isn't the worst one in the class. Sounds like she has a very hard class to deal with.



Really? Maybe she was afraid you'd tell your child & she be yelled at by him tomorrow. LOL! Okay I'm joking



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I could care less. I'm not auditioning for a sitcom here & it was damn funny to ME, didn't you see me "LOL"?
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And what is it today with every other kid being labelled with "developemental issues" of all kinds? If you are labelled that early in your developement, of course you're gonna eventually become all fucked up to fit the label. No kid should have to hear that they are special and therefore need to take their medications. I mean can you imagine what that does to a person, especially that early in his/her developement. I see I have been really blessed growing up in one of the more progressive societies regarding health care of both children and the elderly. I can't imagine how these doctors and psychiatrists can sleep at night!

And to think that people are still debating whether or not physical discipline is right! All I know is in the good old days when children were getting their assed whooped by their parents, there were no "developemental issues" or ADHD. Not where I come from. Take that with a grain of salt, but you know what I mean. Children learned to cope and function normally without all these fancy doctors and psychiatrists we have today.

I was lucky to have had such patient teachers in fourth through sixth grade. I was just learning my new language and I didn't like talking, so I was mostly walking around in a trance like Michael Myers. Luckily, they didn't "diagnose" me with anything. They just accepted me for me and assumed I would open up when I'm ready.

Then I started in seventh grade, a new school with new faces, and you couldn't shut me up! Had that been me today, I would have been diagnosed with "developemental issuses" in fourth grade, and ADHD in seventh grade. L-fcking-OL!
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The teacher also informed me that my child isn't the worst one in the class. Sounds like she has a very hard class to deal with.



Really? Maybe she was afraid you'd tell your child & she be yelled at by him tomorrow. LOL! Okay I'm joking



aren't jokes suppose to be funny



I could care less. I'm not auditioning for a sitcom here & it was damn funny to ME, didn't you see me "LOL"?



I think you'll find it's "I couldn't care less" unless you actually meant "I could care less" which means you do actually care..

& oh, ok. you have a great sense of humour 🙂

i hope my sarcasm is noticeable.
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I still COULD CARE LESS about THIS post of yours & the one before this one. I'm NOT here to make YOU laugh. Buy a ticket to a comedy show or something if you want tickles, I'm not here for your pleasure. I'm very funny to myself, the ONLY person that counts TO ME. I crack myself the fuck up, you should try it to instead of waiting up on other people to put this 🙂 on your face. You're missing out!
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I also dated someone who is July 1st bday and was diagnosed with ADHD. Oddly enough, he grew out of it and was able to get off meds as he matured. Go figure. Smh.


Pfffft, "grew out of it". That's my point exactly!

I wonder how many of these "diagnosis" are just pop-science make-belief.
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Agreed, my 2nd child got the ADHD diagnoses a couple years ago, we tried 2 diff meds before saying no more.
He is doing fine - no complaints from teachers, doing his homework, passing tests, has friends, responsible.
Just seems to me that everyone is so quick to label kids and pass out prescriptions.
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His chart:
Sun: cancer Asc: virgo
Moon: gemini II: libra
Mercury: Gemini III: Scorpii
Venus: cancer IV: Sag
Mars: virgo V: Cap
Jupiter: Cap VI: Aqua
Saturn: virgo VII: pisces
Uranus: pisces VIII: aries
Nept: Aqua IX: taurus
Pluto: Sag Mid: Gemini
Lilith Sag XI cancer
Asc node Aqua XII Leo



I agree with sugarfoot...that's a lot of mental energy going on up there paired with cancer traits. He will feel slighted very easily and act out when it happens.

Hell, your lucky he just yelled at the kid who took his crayon.....I would have kept quiet, collected all the crayons and snapped them all in half.....just to prove a point. If I would have gotten in trouble for it....I would have stole one each day until they were all gone and NOBODY could colour! 😈

but seriously, he likes to talk, he likes to ask questions, he likes to please.....he doesn't like people who can't give him clear directions and can't stick to them. If the teacher makes concessions for another child, he'll expect her to make them for him or he'll take it personally. He's probably not going to be disrespectful to the teachers, but he will compete with the other students because I'm sure he has much more to say about a lot of everything and expects you to hear him out.

he needs lots of stimulation....projects....but not real long drawn out ones. Smaller ones that challenge his mind. Puzzles, riddles, things he can figure out. He can work within a team but he probably likes doing the "figuring out" all on his own.

I'm sure he's a rascal with his brothers, that moon can be quite the jester and will antagonize for fun.....and to get mom's attention (cancer placements)
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Thank you 🙂
I think he is great. Not perfect. Definately energetic and I'm sure he will be a challenge.
This world is made up of all different kinds and we all have our place. I think it would be boring if we all had to be the same.
Hopefully we can tame the out bursts and all will be well. He definately starts things with his brothers..antagonizes. I realize not everyone thinks he is as cute as I do. But I don't want to break his mischievious spirit.. Just teach him when it is ok and when
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I still COULD CARE LESS about THIS post of yours & the one before this one. I'm NOT here to make YOU laugh. Buy a ticket to a comedy show or something if you want tickles, I'm not here for your pleasure. I'm very funny to myself, the ONLY person that counts TO ME. I crack myself the fuck up, you should try it to instead of waiting up on other people to put this 🙂 on your face. You're missing out!



Actually, you are quite funny. This sure did make me laugh. Ta 🙂

Anywho, i wish i could provide some advice for topic but i'm not a mum yet so i wouldn't know much about it lol, however i think i'd be irritated with the school aswell.
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Your opinion of me is not needed, I'm just glad you're done playing Tarzan, swinging on my labia over such a stupid thing that had nothing to do with you. Btw, I didn't know that you were female..I thought you were a guy for some reason.
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Discipline starts at home. You are ignoring the fact and like a lot of parents today making excuses for your children's bad behaviour. When he's older and stronger it'll be you he's yelling at to get his point across...this I have seen with so many teens and even younger children today and parents just give in to their demands for peace. No need for medication, try upping your discipline methods and teaching him how to act, not act out.
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I still COULD CARE LESS about THIS post of yours & the one before this one. I'm NOT here to make YOU laugh. Buy a ticket to a comedy show or something if you want tickles, I'm not here for your pleasure. I'm very funny to myself, the ONLY person that counts TO ME. I crack myself the fuck up, you should try it to instead of waiting up on other people to put this 🙂 on your face. You're missing out!



Actually, you are quite funny. This sure did make me laugh. Ta 🙂

Anywho, i wish i could provide some advice for topic but i'm not a mum yet so i wouldn't know much about it lol, however i think i'd be irritated with the school aswell.



Your opinion of me is not needed, I'm just glad you're done playing Tarzan, swinging on my labia over such a stupid thing that had nothing to do with you. Btw, I didn't know that you were female..I thought you were a guy for some reason.



It may not be needed but that doesn't make a difference to me, i'll still state my opinion.

I wont be replying to anymore of your posts in this thread. I'm off for dinner. 🙂
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I still don't care about it though. It's so meaningless, it's like you were writting in tongues. Do enjoy your dinner 🙂
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I have a meeting with the school in 2 hours about my kindergartener's behavior.

I fear they will pressure me to medicate him .....

I'm just irritated with the school!







So, you come in here to plant in peoples heads that the school wants to medicate your kid when you haven't even spoken to them? You don't know shit about what they think should take place to attempt to make the classroom more comfortable .... yet, have people in here saying shit like, "they have no right to ...."

wtf?

You make an assumption based off of fear, no facts whatsoever ... damn I feel sorry for your kid, if you are his example.
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Posted by PiscesLoves

Just seems to me that everyone is so quick to label kids and pass out prescriptions.






Yeah, just like you !!!

You were fucking quick to make an assumption .... that had zero truth to it.

You had no fucking clue what that teacher was going to say to you .... but, you sure were quick to come in here and raise hell about something that was all in your goddam head.

You labeled without any facts
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Posted by P-Angel
Posted by PiscesLoves

Just seems to me that everyone is so quick to label kids and pass out prescriptions.






Yeah, just like you !!!

You were fucking quick to make an assumption .... that had zero truth to it.

You had no fucking clue what that teacher was going to say to you .... but, you sure were quick to come in here and raise hell about something that was all in your goddam head.

You labeled without any facts
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Heh. Yep
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