Who Would Make A Stand?

This topic was created in the Miscellaneous forum by TMV on Wednesday, April 16, 2014 and has 19 replies.

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In a purely hypothetical scenario where the United States were to experience its second Revolution, civilians vs. government, would you engage in the fight? Which side would you be on? Why?

This isn't a thread for judging one another or butter flinging. I'm genuinely curious how many people would stand up and fight so let's please be respectful of everyone's opinions.
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Isn't revolution against a tight government the foundation the US was built on? Too much governmental power, control and oppression has always led to people standing up for what they believe in.

It's time. There's been a movement in Texas to secede the last several years. It won't happen, but the fact there was a movement started says a lot.
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Posted by truecap
Isn't revolution against a tight government the foundation the US was built on? Too much governmental power, control and oppression has always led to people standing up for what they believe in.

It's time.



Agreed.

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Posted by Rabbit

The government is owned by private corporations and citizens continue to patronize those corporations, thereby perpetuating the cycle.



The rabbit raises a valid point.

I question though, if these major corporations were to suddenly lose their protection granted by the federal government, would the people not be freed from the monopoly? Would there not be more room to create new enterprise giving extended market competition?
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The problem though with eliminating the so-called 1% alone is that it doesn't remove a corruption that has become entirely systemic in nature. It would be akin to knocking off the top block on a pyramid. A change in the superficial regime yes, but the larger picture is ultimately unaffected.

For a sustainable change in course a movement must start at the bottom and burn upwards.
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Posted by djbuck1
Historically in such scenarios, the outcome is usually determined by which side the military supports. That support can be active or passive. If the military identifies with and/or takes no action against the revolutionaries, then the revolution will succeed fairly quickly. If, however, the military continues to respond to orders from the government, you have a swift defeat of the revolution or a protracted guerilla war.





Exactly my answer. If this "revolutionary war" was fighting the govt. due to them attempting to take away our constitutional rights, I'd EXPECT the military to either help us or stand aside, as that's why they put their asses on the line each day. I don't think the military will answer to government orders on that. Unless of course they suddenly get a corporate executive salary offer...then it could get interesting.
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Posted by DonAmanMarat
In prior decades students were a major force for social change. They played an active role in the Civil Rights movement, Free Speech and against Vietnam War.



University students and disenfranchised twenty-somethings are the perfect recruits. They're young and idealistic, hardheaded and hormonal, and they tap into one another like viral memetics. Feed them a collective vision and they'll mobilize.
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Posted by strudel
if it happens. you've become a third world country.



Maybe. But I would personally rather suffer a few decades of reconstruction than a pretty gilded cage, allowed to eat cake and watch television so long as I don't make a peep about the icepick lobotomy.
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Government. Fuck revolutions. They won't be any better than the previous government. If I gonna die with dignity, I'll die for the patriots and the founding fathers rather than the idiots who are upset that they lost job because they're lazy.
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Posted by Rabbit

I'm imaging Redcoats and their field cannons lined up in formation in a field somewhere across from a ragged group of hipster-ish "students" all gabbing on their phones and trying to walk (albeit painfully) in their skinny jeans...



ROFLMAO
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Posted by djbuck1
Historically in such scenarios, the outcome is usually determined by which side the military supports. That support can be active or passive. If the military identifies with and/or takes no action against the revolutionaries, then the revolution will succeed fairly quickly. If, however, the military continues to respond to orders from the government, you have a swift defeat of the revolution or a protracted guerilla war.

Parading around in the streets and chanting or posting diatribes and pictures on the net is a far, far cry from picking up a weapon and engaging armed adversaries. Let's be candid. Most of you have never handled a weapon in your lives and are, in fact "anti-gun." You'd (sensibly) flee at the first shots fired.

If you seriously think that protests and postings will bring down the government, then you are living in a fantasy land.




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