Fear of Predestination: Are We Really Alive?

A few days ago I read this talk: "Fear of Predestination: Are We Really Alive?" here: http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9422.

That reminded me also of this: https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/astrology/astrological-transits-are-not-a-joke-theyre-extremely-real-8009532.

Yet I don't understand what is the problem. I mean if I sit in a bus to San Diego and they predict I'll be there at the end of the journey, does that make me a machine cause I really get to there? If I wake up with the sunshine? If I breathe cause my heart is still beating, would you consider me as a machine?

Let me be a machine and not alive. Wouldn't I still fulfill the sufficient and required conditions that label me as "alive"? Cause I still breathe, move, eat...

A year has 365x24x3600 seconds. But when I'm waiting each second is a year. So can I notice that I do not have a free will, cause I usually count chickens after they're hatched? And if so, why the fear?

Related threads: https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/philosophy/are-we-a-computer-simulation-6466270.

I don't think they are excluyent concepts. You can be alive and still be ruled by external forces, it depends on what you call "life".

Sometimes I enjoy changing my choices in the last moment, when I feel something is too obvious, so that I get the feeling I'm in charge of my fickle life. I like thinking this will lead to reprogramation, the system will have to build again my path. I remember discussing this with my best friend, we thought we have some marked points but each election opens new possibilities or branches.

That first link talks about how transits predicted some events of his/her life. I've also seen some transits in my charts that would lead to a break up that never happened, and great synastries that never lead to a rship with that person. This may be against astrology but I think we can see patterns everywhere if we want. I can definately see many coincidences, but we are who decide if take the chance or let it go.

From the astrology pov we all are souls with a certain path to fulfil (clear karma). But we can still choose, some factors are already given (you are born in a place and time) but how you react can't be predicted. Astra inclinant, sed non obligant.

Nice thread, btw.

Posted by Blackburn
... transits in my charts that would lead to a break up that never happened, ...

thank you, Blackburn.

I think for us average students of Astrology it is not surprising that we see tendencies (take aspects which intensify or weaken each other) and then notjing happens. See also OP of https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/astrology/it-seems-that-a-lot-of-people-want-astrology-to-be-literal--8049168.

But to understand the OP of "Fear of Predestination: Are We Really Alive?" on skyscript I would assume that he is the best possible astrologer on the earth. So he can really make > 85% correct predictions.

PS: on the other hand maybe this is my mistake. speak that author is not that good cause there can never be such a perfect astrologer. well, this is yet another story.

All Watched Over By Machines

Of Loving Grace

  

I like to think (and

the sooner the better!)

of a cybernetic meadow

where mammals and computers

live together in mutually

programming harmony

like pure water

touching clear sky. 

I like to think

(right now, please!)

of a cybernetic forest

filled with pines and electronics

where deer stroll peacefully

past computers

as if they were flowers

with spinning blossoms. 

I like to think

(it has to be!)

of a cybernetic ecology

where we are free of our labors

and joined back to nature,

returned to our mammal

brothers and sisters,

and all watched over

by machines of loving grace.



-Richard Brautigan

https://allpoetry.com/All-Watched-Over-By-Machines-Of-Loving-Grace



Thread reminded me instantly of this, by

Brautigan... very little ever makes me think

of his work.



Leave it to you

PiMoo

🙂

Posted by Blackburn
... Sometimes I enjoy changing my choices in the last moment, ...

good example. this evokes the question if ever a computer or a perfect astrologer will be able to consider even this.

would you change your choice cause time has passed and AC or Moon degrees changed? Or was it a uranian episode. even transit ASC to natal Uranus or transit Uranus? Plus progression?

why do we sometimes change our made up mind, and other times not?

wow Montgomery, that is so nice.

Posted by DwellingOnMove

Posted by Blackburn
... transits in my charts that would lead to a break up that never happened, ...

thank you, Blackburn.

I think for us average students of Astrology it is not surprising that we see tendencies (take aspects which intensify or weaken each other) and then notjing happens. See also OP of https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/astrology/it-seems-that-a-lot-of-people-want-astrology-to-be-literal--8049168.

But to understand the OP of "Fear of Predestination: Are We Really Alive?" on skyscript I would assume that he is the best possible astrologer on the earth. So he can really make > 85% correct predictions.

PS: on the other hand maybe this is my mistake. speak that author is not that good cause there can never be such a perfect astrologer. well, this is yet another story.

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Then I'll say astrology is not exact and even if you are a skilled and experienced astrologer you'd see how there are many meanings in each transit/aspect. This leads to very broad interpretations, from death of the parent, losing a job or a metaphorical death. I think this is what the OP on that thread talks about.

I guess what you imply is that an expert could predict every event of our lives, apart from what I said about broad possibilities in each aspect I think we can change some things; that's why we encounter ppl (fixed) but how the relationship developes depends on us, we can clear our karma or create more.

Posted by Montgomery
... Loving Grace... mammals... pure water...clear sky. ... pines ... deer stroll peacefully... flowers... blossoms. ... ecology...nature,...brothers and sisters,... 🙂

even these words made me smile. craving huh? is it because I'm already in an iron prison?

Posted by DwellingOnMove

Posted by Blackburn
... Sometimes I enjoy changing my choices in the last moment, ...

good example. this evokes the question if ever a computer or a perfect astrologer will be able to consider even this.

would you change your choice cause time has passed and AC or Moon degrees changed? Or was it a uranian episode. even transit ASC to natal Uranus or transit Uranus? Plus progression?

why do we sometimes change our made up mind, and other times not?

click to expand

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Yes! Is stupid assuming I scape the system by changing, as if fate really exist it predicted my change, but I still like my erraticism.

I question myself, do transits predict even the slightest movements? Because a little change on my way to university could lead me from knowing my future husband to a sudden death, each little "change" could have a huge impact.

In my opinion the consequences of that change could be predicted but no the change or the reasons for that choice.

^^^^ right. a similar story is to effect the reality by positive affirmation.

I made a lot of it last week. For taking action. cause I was procrastinating. But when I thought it worked, I noticed the transit aspects. Mars trine Mars and Mars trine Uranus were energizing me. so do affirmations work cause they are part of the plot? that would nullify causality. and give room to synchronisity.

... all resources are at our fingertips if we want

to investigate predestination from every angle

imaginable.

🙂