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Bobbi Kristina
she's pretty much done for at this point
Full recovery?
Hate to break it to you, but she won't be getting full recovery, short of some insane miracle. The brain goes that long without oxygen, recovery isn't likely to happen. If she does recover in some way, shape, or form, she'll have some serious brain damage going on and quality of life will be shit. We're talking some Terry Shaivo stuff going on here.
However, when I heard about this, I definitely felt for the family since they just cannot seem to get a break (Whitney, Dionne, and then Kristina). It's shitty to be in a situation like this, and I was just in the same one with my mom two months ago. It sucks to be in a position to decide if life support measures should go on or if you should cling on to some sort of hope.
Would it be awesome if she snapped out of this? Hell yes. I wouldn't wish being in a situation like this on anyone. I was faced with it with both of my parents. But I hope that they can get through all of this with as little complication and suffering as possible.
Hate to break it to you, but she won't be getting full recovery, short of some insane miracle. The brain goes that long without oxygen, recovery isn't likely to happen. If she does recover in some way, shape, or form, she'll have some serious brain damage going on and quality of life will be shit. We're talking some Terry Shaivo stuff going on here.
However, when I heard about this, I definitely felt for the family since they just cannot seem to get a break (Whitney, Dionne, and then Kristina). It's shitty to be in a situation like this, and I was just in the same one with my mom two months ago. It sucks to be in a position to decide if life support measures should go on or if you should cling on to some sort of hope.
Would it be awesome if she snapped out of this? Hell yes. I wouldn't wish being in a situation like this on anyone. I was faced with it with both of my parents. But I hope that they can get through all of this with as little complication and suffering as possible.
I wonder how the Schumacher thing will pan out. 16 months so far I think.
I hope for the best but..yeah.
I hope for the best but..yeah.
Posted by Damnata
I wonder how the Schumacher thing will pan out. 16 months so far I think.
I hope for the best but..yeah.
Situations like these two are big reasons why you should have advance directives in order and talk to family members about where you stand on these types of things. BK's is kinda hard to say because at that age, who the hell is thinking about this stuff, you know?
With my dad, he'd always told us that if he was relying on life support to pull the damned plug. He saw that as no way of living and didn't want to incur financial debt if the situation was that dire.
Lo and behold. But fortunately (and unfortunately), a heart attack took him before we had to go down and take further action in proceeding with his wishes.
However, with my mom, we had to take that route. We'd discussed all of these things when she'd gotten diagnosed and we set up her advance directive. She wanted them to try everything that they could, of course, but if she had to rely on life support measures, she did not want that.
Other things to consider too were that while we could keep hope, despite the dire circumstances, what the hell kind of life would there have been had she snapped out of it? My brother and I were, of course, clinging to hope that she'd turn around and defy what the docs had told us, but at the same time, the quality of life she would have had would have been awful. She'd already been through so much. She snaps out of it, only to go through the same thing again a few months later? No thanks.
So we followed her wishes and didn't selfishly drag it out into months and months of hope for our own emotional fulfilment. Which is what happens in a lot of these situations- those who are alive and well are dragging things out for their own emotional reasons.
^I've discussed this both with family and friends. Same as burial because I want to be cremated.
My family disapproves of both. I just hope I won't find myself in that situation. Well, I won't be aware I am in that situation but still.
My family disapproves of both. I just hope I won't find myself in that situation. Well, I won't be aware I am in that situation but still.
There's Terri Schiavo..and then there's stuff like this (I can't even fathom the odds for this kind of luck):
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jun/04/poland<BR>
Man in 19-year coma wakes to new Poland
A Polish man who fell into a coma in communist-era Poland has woken up after 19 years to find a country transformed. Jan Grzebski, a railway worker who sustained head injuries in 1988 when attaching two railway carriages together, is coming to terms with the rise of mobile phones, the fall of the Berlin Wall and shops which sell more than "mustard and vinegar."
"For 19 years he did not move or say anything," his wife, Gertruda, said. "He tried to say things but it couldn't be understood."
After nursing her husband for almost 20 years and moving him three times a day to prevent bed sores, she said he was "so amazed to see the colourful streets, the goods. He says the world is prettier now." Mr Grzebski, 65, told journalists from his home in the northern city of Dzialdowo: "I could not talk or do anything, now it's much better."
Despite doctors' advice that he would not survive the accident, his wife never gave up hope. "This is my great reward for all the care, faith and love," she said. "He remembers everything that was going on around him. He remembers the wedding of our children. He had fever around the time of the weddings, so he knew something big was taking place."
Last October he fell sick with pneumonia and was taken to hospital - but doctors' efforts led to the first signs of recovery. "He began to move and his speech was becoming clearer, although I was the only one to understand him," she said.
Wojciech Pstragowski, a rehabilitation specialist, said Mr Grzebski was shocked by the changes since the 1980s as Poland shed communism and developed democracy and a market economy. "He remembered shelves filled with mustard and vinegar only" under communism, he said.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jun/04/poland<BR>
Man in 19-year coma wakes to new Poland
A Polish man who fell into a coma in communist-era Poland has woken up after 19 years to find a country transformed. Jan Grzebski, a railway worker who sustained head injuries in 1988 when attaching two railway carriages together, is coming to terms with the rise of mobile phones, the fall of the Berlin Wall and shops which sell more than "mustard and vinegar."
"For 19 years he did not move or say anything," his wife, Gertruda, said. "He tried to say things but it couldn't be understood."
After nursing her husband for almost 20 years and moving him three times a day to prevent bed sores, she said he was "so amazed to see the colourful streets, the goods. He says the world is prettier now." Mr Grzebski, 65, told journalists from his home in the northern city of Dzialdowo: "I could not talk or do anything, now it's much better."
Despite doctors' advice that he would not survive the accident, his wife never gave up hope. "This is my great reward for all the care, faith and love," she said. "He remembers everything that was going on around him. He remembers the wedding of our children. He had fever around the time of the weddings, so he knew something big was taking place."
Last October he fell sick with pneumonia and was taken to hospital - but doctors' efforts led to the first signs of recovery. "He began to move and his speech was becoming clearer, although I was the only one to understand him," she said.
Wojciech Pstragowski, a rehabilitation specialist, said Mr Grzebski was shocked by the changes since the 1980s as Poland shed communism and developed democracy and a market economy. "He remembered shelves filled with mustard and vinegar only" under communism, he said.
News website theguardian.com claims that "Mr Grzebski said he did have an accident in 1988, but after that he was only in a coma for four years and was then confined to a wheelchair at his home in Dzialdowo in northern Poland
4 yours, 19 years..who knows.
I see he died in 2008.
4 yours, 19 years..who knows.
I see he died in 2008.
years*
Yeah, there's always chances involved, but those percentages are slim.
The issue too is that a lot of people do not understand medicine or how the body works. Most have the common solution of praying to the invisible man in the sky.
Which is fine, but you gotta try to make the best decision with the information in front of you, you know? I'm glad I have a lot of familiarity with how the body works, and in areas I wasn't familiar with, I was researching the hell out of the subject so I knew what to expect and what questions to ask.
Unfortunately, the average person's medical knowledge is from happy go lucky stories like that and watching TV/movies. All too often, people think docs are the cure all magicians that you see in media and it's not always the case. We only have so much understanding at the moment and those small percentages involved that defied the odds aren't even understood.
Something people also don't seem to realize that in BK's case, that when the brain goes without oxygen for so long, it's damaged and/or dies. You can hope, pray, induce a coma, but if they turn around, you're looking at a vegetative state. We're not talking about concussion or a traumatic brain injury- we're talking oxygen deprivation. Entirely different than a lot of these "defied the odds" cases.
I hope the family can get through this. It's a shitty thing to go through. If by some slim chance she pulls through, that'd be awesome. But I think they need to brace themselves and prepare for the likely chance.
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. That's all you can do.
The issue too is that a lot of people do not understand medicine or how the body works. Most have the common solution of praying to the invisible man in the sky.
Which is fine, but you gotta try to make the best decision with the information in front of you, you know? I'm glad I have a lot of familiarity with how the body works, and in areas I wasn't familiar with, I was researching the hell out of the subject so I knew what to expect and what questions to ask.
Unfortunately, the average person's medical knowledge is from happy go lucky stories like that and watching TV/movies. All too often, people think docs are the cure all magicians that you see in media and it's not always the case. We only have so much understanding at the moment and those small percentages involved that defied the odds aren't even understood.
Something people also don't seem to realize that in BK's case, that when the brain goes without oxygen for so long, it's damaged and/or dies. You can hope, pray, induce a coma, but if they turn around, you're looking at a vegetative state. We're not talking about concussion or a traumatic brain injury- we're talking oxygen deprivation. Entirely different than a lot of these "defied the odds" cases.
I hope the family can get through this. It's a shitty thing to go through. If by some slim chance she pulls through, that'd be awesome. But I think they need to brace themselves and prepare for the likely chance.
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. That's all you can do.
Posted by Damnata
News website theguardian.com claims that "Mr Grzebski said he did have an accident in 1988, but after that he was only in a coma for four years and was then confined to a wheelchair at his home in Dzialdowo in northern Poland
4 yours, 19 years..who knows.
I see he died in 2008.
I just remembered a story I'd heard about recently- this kid that had been in a coma/disabled state since he was like 8-9. At 19, he started recovering and now can talk and whatnot. He'd basically been in the same state that Schumacher is in now. He was there, underneath everything, but just couldn't move or talk. One thing about the story that stood out was that at some point, his mother, while taking care of him, said she'd wished he'd die already (being a caretaker is rough).
He's fully aware of everything going on around him and his own mother tells him this? Now he's on track to being fully functional and has to live with knowing his mom said something so horrific to him.
I'll have to see if I can find the story. I heard it via a program discussing the story.
I dont know why but her story has been hurting me more than the 'average tragedy' (ive become pretty desensitized to most stuff considering how much crap happens on the daily).
I wish her well and hope her mama guides her to a better place. So sad to see her life end this way. All of it was so preventable too. I hope the family can pull together and do the right thing for. She seemed tired.
I wish her well and hope her mama guides her to a better place. So sad to see her life end this way. All of it was so preventable too. I hope the family can pull together and do the right thing for. She seemed tired.
The only part about this that pisses me off is that her father has made the decision that her boyfriend, Nick Gordon, isn't allowed to see her ... because father doesn't like him.
what a crock of shit.
Another situation where the parent thinks it knows best for an adult child ... when the parent does not know best. His decision is selfish and is actually NOT in the best interest of her.
As for her ... monkey see monkey do. She is living what she learned. Whitney's bad.
Posted by P-Angel
The only part about this that pisses me off is that her father has made the decision that her boyfriend, Nick Gordon, isn't allowed to see her ... because father doesn't like him.
what a crock of shit.
Another situation where the parent thinks it knows best for an adult child ... when the parent does not know best. His decision is selfish and is actually NOT in the best interest of her.
As for her ... monkey see monkey do. She is living what she learned. Whitney's bad.
i agree with this. I hate when parents CONTROL their children after they are after eighteen. it's like they are over the age, stop babying them so much. Give them the freedom to choose. Give them wisdom and knowledge and love that they can make the decisions themselves. If they fail once, twice, it makes them stronger. If they make it the first time, good for them. But life is about experiences and choices. They're no longer babies.
Perhaps he's super controlling because he lost Whitney and he is trying to keep her to his chest too tight. although i dont know the full story, but i just thought that controlling your child too much will result in disaster.
and i dont know why Nick Gordon would be bad for her.
well it's their life. none of our business, but if they're gonna put it out there. It becomes free reign to comment anyway.
Posted by pathfinder
I don't usually start topics, but this child is on my heart.
Posting on the pisces board since she is a sister fish who is in trouble. Pisceans are known for their powerful compassion and undaunted faith and being non-judgemental. If you believe in prayer, please pray for this dear soul for full recovery. She's very young and needs our support and light. Love to you all.
My heart goes out to her, and every child who was raised by a drug addict. My anger goes to the state who allowed her mother to raise her. What a waste!
.....and the family members standing by her bedside who allowed it!
Posted by P-Angel
The only part about this that pisses me off is that her father has made the decision that her boyfriend, Nick Gordon, isn't allowed to see her ... because father doesn't like him.
As for her ... monkey see monkey do. She is living what she learned. Whitney's bad.
Actually, Nick Gordon is her husband and has every right to see her.
I'd venture to say...it's about WHO gets her fortune. They all know it's him.
The same family who watched a drug addict mother raise her.
from what i googled and found out is that Nick Gordon is not married to her.
Also, that the father wants her to stay away from Nick Gordon because Nick Gordon is very abusive.
I dont know whaat is really going on. So many sources.
http://perezhilton.com/category/bobbi-kristina/#.VOdbhWM3P4g<BR>
http://perezhilton.com/2015-02-09-bobbi-kristina-nick-gordon-violent-relationship-jealousy?from=engagement_links#.VOdbv2M3P4g
Also, that the father wants her to stay away from Nick Gordon because Nick Gordon is very abusive.
I dont know whaat is really going on. So many sources.
http://perezhilton.com/category/bobbi-kristina/#.VOdbhWM3P4g<BR>
http://perezhilton.com/2015-02-09-bobbi-kristina-nick-gordon-violent-relationship-jealousy?from=engagement_links#.VOdbv2M3P4g
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